Processor01:


For a Christian, there is NOTHING like ancestral curses.
You cannot be born again and still lay claim to your former blood line while professing a new blood line in Christ.

No, there is no such thing for a christian. How does someone redeem you only to tag you with what happened in your former master's house? How?

The story of Jabez had absolutely nothing to do with ancestral strongmen.
Did the bible tell you this or you implied your own meaning into his story?
From the bible, the only thing that seemed obvious is that he was cursed at birth nevertheless, Jabez was a Jew, not a christian.

The story of Jabez had EVERYTHING to do with ancestral strongmen. In 1 Chron 4:3 everything started off good Jezreel = "Son of God"
Yishma = "Desolation"
Yidbash = "Hand of shame"
Gedor = "Encased"
Ashur = "Darkness"
Helah = "Rubbish/Dustbin"
Zobebah = "Go slow"
Harum = "Behind or last"
Jabez = "Pain or sorrow"

The scriptures are replete with ancestral curses. Didn't God curse Gehazi's descendants with leprosy? FOREVER?
Didn't God judge Eli's house by killing his sons and prophesying his descendants would die in their prime? FOREVER?

I've attached a lesson I listed to months earlier by Dr. Olukoya on this very subject. Please have a listen and don't be so naive that generational curses don't impact even the most ardent believers. And God is the same yesterday, today and forever. The fact that Jabez was an Israelite (which is an ethnicity, btw, NOT a belief system) doesn't change the spiritual laws of foundational curses. Apparently ancestral curses can apply to anybody -- Jew or gentile.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5GfrIRTys

Arondizuogu:


Isn't that Netanyahu, the Prime Minister of Israel is fighting against? He is not in good terms with Zuckerberg and all these fake ass Hollywood Jews.
On the case of Easu, you said he didn't vanish? But the Bible didn't speak of him more after he gave birth to Ishmael. Did it?
I know that Every media outlet is Jewish owned, from CNN to MSNBC to FOX news etc but you can see that they are all different. Fox News is conservative while the other two is liberal. Which one should we believe?
I have read this book about Catholic Church being the beast and what not, I don't believe in that. They are the first church with Peter as its first female pope. I'm not catholic, I'm Anglican but I lost interest when I knew about the history of the church. Now I'm more of a Lutheran, thanks to my college.
On the chips, I seriously don't know why they are doing that. Turning the world into one globalize market and entity. I think with time we shall see about that.
But then again, why hasn't God done anything about all these things. Men are rubbishing him and making a joke of him.
Almost every country in Europe allow gay marriage and churches here in USA �� which I believe you live in don't care. I have nothing against them but I believe if you chose to be gay and what not, you have no right to be a Christian. What say you. You sound so smart.

Don't be fooled by all this "division" between Zionist conservative jews like Netanyahu and liberal jews like Zuckerberg. When all is said and done, they don't have a problem upholding the current apartheid state of Israel, and claiming a homeland that is not theirs. From running the porn industry, to the filth they control in hellywood and the music industry, to the Rothschild world banking system, etc, they've all got their role to play, political affiliations non-withstanding. Fox, CNN, and MSNBC... it doesn't matter. 90% of the media in America is controlled by 6 Jewish-owned corporations. Mainstream media is mind control for the undiscerning anyway -- control the media, control the narrative.

Esau didn't vanish, friend. Not in the slightest. The entire Book of Obadiah is a harsh END TIME PROPHECY AGAINST ESAU (Obadiah 1:15).
2 Esdras 6:9 “For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.”
I strongly believe scriptures like this are part of the reason the so-called "lost books" were taken out.
Esdras specifically identifies Esau as the man sitting in the halls of power, world domination and control when the Messiah comes.
He's the human vessel being used by satan... hell bent on destroying this planet and everything in it and turn it over to the antiChrist.
Its no surprise why God hates him.

I've seen plenty of historical and biblical evidence that Esau became synonymous with ROME, namely the Vatican.
I've seen evidence that he also infiltrated ASHKENAZ, ie Rothschilds, 13 illuminati families, etc

The RCC is not the beast. The beast is a government, a geo-political system. The RCC is mystery Babylon, the w/h/o/r/e who rides the beast. Read Rev 13. It speaks of 2 beasts... one out of the sea (the Jew), the second out of the earth. This second beast is clearly the false prophet (Vatican) the religious arm of the 1st beast. The false prophet will conduct all types of sorceries to seduce the people in worshiping the 1st beast. He's going to be the one responsible for making all people take the "mark". Notice v. 18 -- we're to "count" the number of the beast, which is the number of a man. Just google "Vatican 666".

CharlyG1:



Hello Providence..
Hope you're great. Sorry for just replying this.

I've read through all your dreams, but the most disturbing one to me is that of your sister. Here is what they mean.


First Dream and Second dream are connected. They both signify 'Trouble approaching'. A flood (like your type) represents 'Judgement' or 'Trouble' or 'Times of great difficulty'

The dream is speaking of a time when God's Judgement will come bringing trouble to many, but your family will escape these difficult times to come as seen in your first dream.
And in the second dream, it tells of you growing and learning spiritually in this time of trouble with a church or ministerial group. You will become more spiritual and grow deeper in God in this time.


The third dream is one of concern and it speaks of the death of your sister.
The 'three days of illness' (talking about 'Spirit, Soul, Body'), with the water level rising indicates a Physical death.


I would really love to hear the other recent dreams you've had about her.

You need to pray for her, for she needs the mercy of God. By God's grace she will live in Jesus Name. Amen


God bless you sister.

God forbid. Thank you Bro Charley. It is well. I give Almighty God all the glory, honor and praise. My sister shall not die, but live to declare the works of the Lord. She shall not suffer untimely death, not as long as her sister continues to intercede for her. Who has spoken it that it comes to pass if the Lord hath not commanded it? I rebuke that dream in the mighty name of Jesus! I shall believe the report of Yahuah Elohim, and his plans to prosper her, give her a hope and future and expected end. In Jesus name, Amen.

CharlyG1:


Hi Providence,

Your dream reveals a spiritual attack formed against you through 'racism'. Demonic spirits can attack a child of God through many ways in a bid to cause depression, sadness, anger, bitterness, hatred etc. And when this happens it can break the faith of a christian.
In your case, the weapon used against you was racism, to cause you depression and sadness.


But God was on your side and that backfired on the enemy.


The second part of the dream where a young girl admired you so much is signifying the 'dignity' you have because you have Jesus Christ. Simply put.. She was admiring you because you are a child of God.
The grey/ash cloth represents 'Dignity'.
The red sweater is a covering that you have in Jesus Christ (blood/covenant with Jesus).


It simply means that the girl admires you as a child of God for overcoming those demonic attacks of racism against you.
God is only letting you see that you are protected and strong as a child of God, as long as you are under the covering of Jesus Christ.


Now, the last part of the dream where you watched the tv was to discourage you and still cause you that same depression which the enemy wanted in the very beginning (the racist attack).


What you saw was a powerful man of God being overcome by demonic forces.
Dragon here represents 'High level demonic attack'.
Your MIL showed you this (tv)to cause you depression and put down your faith, letting you see that a powerful man of God was caught by the dragon, indicating that even if you are a child of God, they (the demonic forces) will still overcome you no matter what.



My friend, this revelation (the tv) which your MIL showed you will not happen to you as long as you remain steadfast in God and under the covering of Jesus Christ.
Please note that your step mom might be used as a tool against you in your waking life to create so much problems for you and cause you depression to kill your faith in God (if that hasn't started yet, it might start soon).


But stand fast in Jesus Christ, knowing fully well that if God be for you who can be against you? Romans 8:31


God bless you sister

HalleluYAH!!! Thank you Bro Charley. I receive it. Finally, an uplifting message.

May the Most High Bless you abundantly!

Nimzy1111:
GreetingsSir, @CharlyG1, please can you assist interpret this dream?
I had this dream last year of an old man who came to me that with a completed form which had pictures of his children to whom he's sending money. He showed me their pictures and they were all dressed half clad- like club wears looking prodigal. He also said he's sending to me too.

Again this year, I dreamt I was in company of some people.we were All dressed up like we are going to party-scanty- kind of clothes I saw in the former dream. The guys in the gathering looked younger than the ladies. Then saw myself in an ancient house - like my grandmas house- on the balcony upstairs- we all slept off on a mattress on the balcony. A woman dressed like a reverend sis descended from above riding on a white winged horse. I stood up from the mattress where everyone is sleeping and went to her. She handed a book to me and I proceeded to enter the house. A woman opened the door and asked me why I collected the book. I told her I am delivering the message to the 'king' by myself. I entered and heard people around paying homage to a king.

Please what do you deduce from this?

Beautiful dreams you got there brother.

@Shadeyinka. Can you interpret for us please?

providence338:


God forbid. Thank you Bro Charley. It is well. I give Almighty God all the glory, honor and praise. My sister shall not die, but live to declare the works of the Lord. She shall not suffer untimely death, not as long as her sister continues to intercede for her. Who has spoken it that it comes to pass if the Lord hath not commanded it? I rebuke that dream in the mighty name of Jesus! I shall believe the report of Yahuah Elohim, and his plans to prosper her, give her a hope and future and expected end. In Jesus name, Amen.

Yes Providence. Your sister will not die by the mercy and grace of God. We all stand in agreement with you that when two or more people of God agree on a thing, it shall be so.

Let it be so. May God's mercy cover your sister and may His love uplift her in Jesus Mighty Name. Amen

providence338:


HalleluYAH!!! Thank you Bro Charley. I receive it. Finally, an uplifting message.

May the Most High Bless you abundantly!

May God bless you too dear

CharlyG1:


Beautiful dreams you got there brother.

@Shadeyinka. Can you interpret for us please?

You could holla me occasionally. Jesus remains the only Lord.

Excellent work you are doing here Bro. Pls keep it up. The ministry of interpretation of spiritual messages have been neglected for so long.

Thanks Bro

Processor01:


For a Christian, there is NOTHING like ancestral curses.
You cannot be born again and still lay claim to your former blood line while professing a new blood line in Christ.

No, there is no such thing for a christian. How does someone redeem you only to tag you with what happened in your former master's house? How?

The story of Jabez had absolutely nothing to do with ancestral strongmen.
Did the bible tell you this or you implied your own meaning into his story?
From the bible, the only thing that seemed obvious is that he was cursed at birth nevertheless, Jabez was a Jew, not a christian.

Hello Bro
I used to think like you some years ago. Most Evangelicals have this view. But, I had to fight my Battles over a long time and by His grace, I overcame.

I strongly think the misconception is through the use of the word "Possessed" rather than "Demonized".

Let me give an example that may clarify the issue.

Let's assume I used to live in a Rented Apartment that used to be mine (because I sold it ignorantly to someTouts).

Now, I confessed to my Father who now played double the price to secure the House with the C of O for me. So now, the house belongs to me.

But suppose these Touts refuse to leave the boys quarters and the premises. I may have to force them out based on the fact that I now know who I am (the Landlord). The act of forcing them out is known in the Christian circle as deliverance.

Curses are just Works of Demons (Damage demons do), many times they are consequences of Sin and Iniquities of the past. Like, I through adultary contract HIV, I may pass it on to my unborn children. It doesn't matter if my children later got born again or not.

There are some people (BornAgain or Not) who are relatively free and some who are not. Its just the reality being played out. A lot of things beyond the physical are inherited from our ancestors.

Finally, as there are generational curses there also exist generational blessings (which Christians rarely speak about)

Shalom

shadeyinka:


Hello Bro
I used to think like you some years ago. Most Evangelicals have this view. But, I had to fight my Battles over a long time and by His grace, I overcame.

I strongly think the misconception is through the use of the word "Possessed" rather than "Demonized".

Let me give an example that may clarify the issue.

Let's assume I used to live in a Rented Apartment that used to be mine (because I sold it ignorantly to someTouts).

Now, I confessed to my Father who now played double the price to secure the House with the C of O for me. So now, the house belongs to me.

But suppose these Touts refuse to leave the boys quarters and the premises. I may have to force them out based on the fact that I now know who I am (the Landlord). The act of forcing them out is known in the Christian circle as deliverance.

Curses are just Works of Demons (Damage demons do), many times they are consequences of Sin and Iniquities of the past. Like, I through adultary contract HIV, I may pass it on to my unborn children. It doesn't matter if my children later got born again or not.

There are some people (BornAgain or Not) who are relatively free and some who are not. Its just the reality being played out. A lot of things beyond the physical are inherited from our ancestors.

Finally, as there are generational curses there also exist generational blessings (which Christians rarely speak about)

Shalom

Thanks for sharing.

I have some concerns with your analogy though. The house does not belong to you but your father who paid the price and it his duty to move out all the touts on the property at the time of purchase. You are only handed the keys to leave on that property but it is not yours.

Let me ask you a question: If your father was a Major General or Head of the Nigerian Army and he buys a house for you in Ikoyi, do you think any street urchin who is aware of this fact will ever dare to cross the gate? Do you think having a soldier at the gate will be too much for him to give you? Or asking him to have the popular "Military zone - Keep off" signage on your gate?

If you don't mind i will like us to consider this topic with scriptural proof of what the word says. I do not believe in any deliverance from demons for a christian except of course you show me one reference of any christian in the bible that had such deliverance. That a christian subjects himself to such doesn't make it a norm - it means he has not found the truth.

I am not trying to be unnecessarily different but my approach is a bit unusual because i did not meet Christ in a church gathering so i learnt a few things asking my own questions and reading what was written.

providence338:



The story of Jabez had EVERYTHING to do with ancestral strongmen. In 1 Chron 4:3 everything started off good Jezreel = "Son of God"
Yishma = "Desolation"
Yidbash = "Hand of shame"
Gedor = "Encased"
Ashur = "Darkness"
Helah = "Rubbish/Dustbin"
Zobebah = "Go slow"
Harum = "Behind or last"
Jabez = "Pain or sorrow"

The scriptures are replete with ancestral curses. Didn't God curse Gehazi's descendants with leprosy? FOREVER?
Didn't God judge Eli's house by killing his sons and prophesying his descendants would die in their prime? FOREVER?

I've attached a lesson I listed to months earlier by Dr. Olukoya on this very subject. Please have a listen and don't be so naive that generational curses don't impact even the most ardent believers. And God is the same yesterday, today and forever. The fact that Jabez was an Israelite (which is an ethnicity, btw, NOT a belief system) doesn't change the spiritual laws of foundational curses. Apparently ancestral curses can apply to anybody -- Jew or gentile.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr5GfrIRTys

Thanks for sharing.

Would you like to discuss the topic of Jabez with scriptures?

Here is what led to Jabez's name - his mother bore him in pain and gave him a name which sort of haunted him through life.
1 Chronicles 4:9 (NKJV)
Now Jabez was more honorable than his brothers, and his mother called his name Jabez, saying, “Because I bore him in pain.”

Here is Jabez asking God to help him not to cause pain.
1 Chronicles 4:10 (NKJV)
And Jabez called on the God of Israel saying, “Oh, that You would bless me indeed, and enlarge my territory, that Your hand would be with me, and that You would keep me from evil, that I may not cause pain!”So God granted him what he requested.

Thanks for the message but I'd prefer we both discuss the bible and share knowledge rather than rely on someone else who may be wrong - Even Apostle Peter was wrong and Paul had to point it out.

We all know in parts but Christians, let's discuss sound biblical doctrines.

...

Processor01:


Thanks for sharing.

I have some concerns with your analogy though. The house does not belong to you but your father who paid the price and it his duty to move out all the touts on the property at the time of purchase. You are only handed the keys to leave on that property but it is not yours.

Interestingly, the house represents Your Body/Your life. Like I said, I used to argue exactly like you in the past.

I have tried to introduce the misconception where the use of the word Possession connotes Ownership.

When a person becomes Born Again, he becomes a new Creature (spiritually). His Body and Soul are not BornAgain ;His spirit is. He is commanded and expected to renew his mind by the word of God. The more he yields to the Holy Spirit, the more he has mastery over the flesh (the negative wants of the soul).

The devil doesn't OWN any one. But he can haras a person like a bully.

Processor01:

Let me ask you a question: If your father was a Major General or Head of the Nigerian Army and he buys a house for you in Ikoyi, do you think any street urchin who is aware of this fact will ever dare to cross the gate? Do you think having a soldier at the gate will be too much for him to give you? Or asking him to have the popular "Military zone - Keep off" signage on your gate?

If you don't mind i will like us to consider this topic with scriptural proof of what the word says. I do not believe in any deliverance from demons for a christian except of course you show me one reference of any christian in the bible that had such deliverance. That a christian subjects himself to such doesn't make it a norm - it means he has not found the truth.

I am not trying to be unnecessarily different but my approach is a bit unusual because i did not meet Christ in a church gathering so i learnt a few things asking my own questions and reading what was written.

Scriptural Proofs?
There may be no direct scriptures as the scriptures did not discuss in details Angels, Demons, Fallen Angels, the 24 Elders in Revelation etc. But, we can infer from some scriptures

1. Jesus asked His disciples the question, "Who do you say I Am?". And none could answer the question except Peter. ..and Jesus said " ..flesh and Blood has not revealed this unto you but the spirit of My Father in Heaven"....Jesus then began to explain how He would be arrested and killed..

And suddenly, Jesus turned to Peter and Called him in rebuke SATAN!!!

You know the story. What was Satan doing in Peter where Jesus was? Was Jesus insinuating that both Satan and the Holy Spirit was Living inside Peter? Why did Jesus call Peter Satan?

It shows that the spiritual is more complex thanwe think.

2. When I began to function in Deliverance prayers, one of the puzzling things are manifestations from people you know well as serious Christians (born again). The order is not relevant as in sometimes you lead a person to Christ before deliverance and sometimes, deliverance take place before ministering salvation.

3. I was BornAgain for several years and living in Christ when I got delivered from demons.


Demons cause afflictions and they do both have to be resident. They can frustrate a believer if he doesn't learn to fight.

Not everyone is demonized and the degree differs wildly even when they operate in a person.

So, we know in part and our understanding is in part.
There is no scripture that categorically say that a believer cannot be demonized.

providence338:


Don't be fooled by all this "division" between Zionist conservative jews like Netanyahu and liberal jews like Zuckerberg. When all is said and done, they don't have a problem upholding the current apartheid state of Israel, and claiming a homeland that is not theirs. From running the porn industry, to the filth they control in hellywood and the music industry, to the Rothschild world banking system, etc, they've all got their role to play, political affiliations non-withstanding. Fox, CNN, and MSNBC... it doesn't matter. 90% of the media in America is controlled by 6 Jewish-owned corporations. Mainstream media is mind control for the undiscerning anyway -- control the media, control the narrative.

Esau didn't vanish, friend. Not in the slightest. The entire Book of Obadiah is a harsh END TIME PROPHECY AGAINST ESAU (Obadiah 1:15).
2 Esdras 6:9 “For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.”
I strongly believe scriptures like this are part of the reason the so-called "lost books" were taken out.
Esdras specifically identifies Esau as the man sitting in the halls of power, world domination and control when the Messiah comes.
He's the human vessel being used by satan... hell bent on destroying this planet and everything in it and turn it over to the antiChrist.
Its no surprise why God hates him.

I've seen plenty of historical and biblical evidence that Esau became synonymous with ROME, namely the Vatican.
I've seen evidence that he also infiltrated ASHKENAZ, ie Rothschilds, 13 illuminati families, etc

The RCC is not the beast. The beast is a government, a geo-political system. The RCC is mystery Babylon, the w/h/o/r/e who rides the beast. Read Rev 13. It speaks of 2 beasts... one out of the sea (the Jew), the second out of the earth. This second beast is clearly the false prophet (Vatican) the religious arm of the 1st beast. The false prophet will conduct all types of sorceries to seduce the people in worshiping the 1st beast. He's going to be the one responsible for making all people take the "mark". Notice v. 18 -- we're to "count" the number of the beast, which is the number of a man. Just google "Vatican 666".

There is some tone of anti-Semitic in your language. How can you say Israel is an apartheid state? That's what Muslims console themselves with for their ignorance.
I will research on your other topic. My mysticism class this semester helped me view religion and oneness in a different light.
Note: I am not asking as a religious person. Trust me I have tried to be but I just fall out mainly because of my radical views which is not in line with accepted Christian views. I am more of an Eckhart and Henry Suso disciple. I view them as the ones who challenged the status quo

providence338:


Don't be fooled by all this "division" between Zionist conservative jews like Netanyahu and liberal jews like Zuckerberg. When all is said and done, they don't have a problem upholding the current apartheid state of Israel, and claiming a homeland that is not theirs. From running the porn industry, to the filth they control in hellywood and the music industry, to the Rothschild world banking system, etc, they've all got their role to play, political affiliations non-withstanding. Fox, CNN, and MSNBC... it doesn't matter. 90% of the media in America is controlled by 6 Jewish-owned corporations. Mainstream media is mind control for the undiscerning anyway -- control the media, control the narrative.

Esau didn't vanish, friend. Not in the slightest. The entire Book of Obadiah is a harsh END TIME PROPHECY AGAINST ESAU (Obadiah 1:15).
2 Esdras 6:9 “For Esau is the end of the world, and Jacob is the beginning of it that followeth.”
I strongly believe scriptures like this are part of the reason the so-called "lost books" were taken out.
Esdras specifically identifies Esau as the man sitting in the halls of power, world domination and control when the Messiah comes.
He's the human vessel being used by satan... hell bent on destroying this planet and everything in it and turn it over to the antiChrist.
Its no surprise why God hates him.

I've seen plenty of historical and biblical evidence that Esau became synonymous with ROME, namely the Vatican.
I've seen evidence that he also infiltrated ASHKENAZ, ie Rothschilds, 13 illuminati families, etc

The RCC is not the beast. The beast is a government, a geo-political system. The RCC is mystery Babylon, the w/h/o/r/e who rides the beast. Read Rev 13. It speaks of 2 beasts... one out of the sea (the Jew), the second out of the earth. This second beast is clearly the false prophet (Vatican) the religious arm of the 1st beast. The false prophet will conduct all types of sorceries to seduce the people in worshiping the 1st beast. He's going to be the one responsible for making all people take the "mark". Notice v. 18 -- we're to "count" the number of the beast, which is the number of a man. Just google "Vatican 666".

I have been researching the Rothschild family for some time and the family is a big one. The British and French arm seems like the most powerful arm is the family (Rothschild and co owners). Edmund Rothschild is the queen's financial PA. The German and Austrian arms seems not to be involved much but is just toon powerful family but to say the control the world is exaggerating.

Had this dream last night. In this dream after an operation between Nigerian police and Nigerian army (unusual grouping), as they were returning to their vehicles, a police man decided to shoot from the side of his car to the soldiers vehicle. He shot the bullet from his vehicle's window ( as at the time he shot the bullet no one was in his own vehicle but there were soldiers on the opposite vehicle) . The police man said it was a retaliation of what a certain soldier did to them. It turned to a serious arguement between both forces. As the soldiers were about to leave, a police man went in front of the soldiers car and was shouting, and he shot dead the driver. The soldiers and police started serious gun war. I was at the scene but nothing happened to me. After everything, they both drove off. Some civilians died, soldiers and police too. Finally, I saw white soldiers carrying dead bodies of those that died during the clash. Sir Charles what does it mean?

I always see snakes in my dreams and most times i always see mysef in my previous working place and my sec school wit my old mates. Please help me

TeamLeader:
I always see snakes in my dreams and most times i always see mysef in my previous working place and my sec school wit my old mates. Please help me

Foundational Battles.... Stagnation and retrogression..

If you have time like a week.. I would recommend you to MFM Ajangbadi for a 1 week deliverance

Then you continue with you personal prayers.

What ever you see come and post it here and am sure alot of us here would be willing to help you.

Stay safe bro...

Dreamt of 7am and when I woke up I checked the time, It was exactly 7am. What does it mean?

Arondizuogu:


There is some tone of anti-Semitic in your language. How can you say Israel is an apartheid state? That's what Muslims console themselves with for their ignorance.
I will research on your other topic. My mysticism class this semester helped me view religion and oneness in a different light.
Note: I am not asking as a religious person. Trust me I have tried to be but I just fall out mainly because of my radical views which is not in line with accepted Christian views. I am more of an Eckhart and Henry Suso disciple. I view them as the ones who challenged the status quo

So long as the people you follow (Ekhart/Suso) and their teachings line up with the Bible, you can't go wrong. As far as my tone, what can I say, I love what God loves and hate what he hates (shrugs). I'm no fan of Arabs in the least, but they're not lying when they say the currently Rothschild-controlled land of Israel is an apartheid state.

“You (fake Jews) will never be able to live here in peace, because you left here black but came back white. We don’t accept you!” -Gamal Abdel Nasser (Egypt Prime Minister 1954 – 1970)

I can't be anti-Shemetic to people who are not even SHEMETIC lol....

I had this dream recently...in it, it seems I gave my landlord some money...later, I knocked on his door and I told is wife that I kept a bottle of cold star lager beer with them. His wife replied that it is chilled in their refrigerator. She brought it out and truly, it was chilled. It turned white like soda or smirn off but later turned to Star Lager beer.
As she was about to bring it to me, I had a feeling that drinking it would be a sin and therefore asked of a co-tenant if he is still around maybe she should give it to him. I discovered that he ain't. I later collected the beer but felt like disposing. Funnily, something spoke in me that it would amount to resource wastage as I spent some tokens to get the beer. I imagined that if only the beer could be coke I would have drank it with no fear of sinning. Immediately, a bottle being filled with coke appeared in the veranda I was and I made attempt to grab it but I was able to get an insight that the bottle of coke will break if I hold it. I felt an imaginary voice said to me that since I am unwilling to let go of the Star beer, I can't have the coke just like that.
Pls note, I have stopped taking alcohol. The problem I have is whenever I stop taking it(it could be as long as 8 months) something may just instigate me to have a time of brief pleasure...maybe one or two bottle.

shadeyinka:


Interestingly, the house represents Your Body/Your life. Like I said, I used to argue exactly like you in the past.

I have tried to introduce the misconception where the use of the word Possession connotes Ownership.

When a person becomes Born Again, he becomes a new Creature (spiritually). His Body and Soul are not BornAgain ;His spirit is. He is commanded and expected to renew his mind by the word of God. The more he yields to the Holy Spirit, the more he has mastery over the flesh (the negative wants of the soul).

The devil doesn't OWN any one. But he can haras a person like a bully.

I sincerely am not interested in arguments or word semantics. My question is simple, where did you get this understanding about demons if not from the bible?
If you say a Christian becomes a new creature spiritually then how are the demons connected to him? Through his body and soul?

I noticed you didn't answer my questions from the last post but that is fine but i will ask another one yet again.
What does your body represent? God's temple, no?

shadeyinka:

Scriptural Proofs?
There may be no direct scriptures as the scriptures did not discuss in details Angels, Demons, Fallen Angels, the 24 Elders in Revelation etc. But, we can infer from some scriptures

1. Jesus asked His disciples the question, "Who do you say I Am?". And none could answer the question except Peter. ..and Jesus said " ..flesh and Blood has not revealed this unto you but the spirit of My Father in Heaven"....Jesus then began to explain how He would be arrested and killed..

And suddenly, Jesus turned to Peter and Called him in rebuke SATAN!!!

You know the story. What was Satan doing in Peter where Jesus was? Was Jesus insinuating that both Satan and the Holy Spirit was Living inside Peter? Why did Jesus call Peter Satan?

It shows that the spiritual is more complex thanwe think.

You see ehnn, when people deviate from the bible then there is room for so many errors and supposed 'new revelations' from God but let me go ahead and address your points.

1.) The holy spirit only came after Christ had left so the holy spirit was not living inside Peter - see scripture below. Also, Jesus never asked us to go searching for complexities in the spiritual realm and not even Paul or any of the other apostles did.

John 16:7 (NKJV)
Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.

shadeyinka:

2. When I began to function in Deliverance prayers, one of the puzzling things are manifestations from people you know well as serious Christians (born again). The order is not relevant as in sometimes you lead a person to Christ before deliverance and sometimes, deliverance take place before ministering salvation.

I am sorry sir but those are not Christians. The fact that people go to church or mumble a few words does not necessarily make them Christians. Look all through the book of acts and show me one Christian with such manifestations as you described - not even the greeks that were famed for their gods and goddesses.

Look below scriptures on the day of the Pentecost and show me how many of those Christians were delivered from demons. Show me any one scripture in the bible that supports such teaching.

Acts 2 (NKJV)
41. Then those who gladly received his word were baptized; and that day about three thousand souls were added to them.
42. And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.
47. praising God and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily those who were being saved.

shadeyinka:

3. I was BornAgain for several years and living in Christ when I got delivered from demons.


Demons cause afflictions and they do both have to be resident. They can frustrate a believer if he doesn't learn to fight.

Not everyone is demonized and the degree differs wildly even when they operate in a person.

So, we know in part and our understanding is in part.
There is no scripture that categorically say that a believer cannot be demonized.

I am sorry sir but your experience does not align with what the bible teaches. Are you telling me the Holy Spirit was cohabiting with demons? Can you shine the light of Gods word below and contrast with your 'experiences'? Where demons able to dwell in the Ark of God? Have they suddenly become more powerful to dwell in Gods new temples?

1 Corinthians 3 (NKJV)
16. Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
17. If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

And lastly, a christian CANNOT be demonized! A christian may be afflicted by demons but they can't dwell in the same space where the holy spirit dwells. I will leave you with a scripture to back that up.

Ephesians 1:13 (NKJV)
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

I believe you know how a seal works.

Arondizuogu:


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Processor01:


I sincerely am not interested in arguments or word semantics. My question is simple, where did you get this understanding about demons if not from the bible?
If you say a Christian becomes a new creature spiritually then how are the demons connected to him? Through his body and soul?
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And lastly, a christian CANNOT be demonized! A christian may be afflicted by demons but they can't dwell in the same space where the holy spirit dwells. I will leave you with a scripture to back that up.

Ephesians 1:13 (NKJV)
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

I believe you know how a seal works.

I appreciate your explanations and especially attempting to find scriptures to support your view (even though I feel the scriptures are mid applied)

Every Born Again Christian can cast out demons. Its just a question of faith and persistence. I have a feeling you haven't cast out one before. (Its not a mark of spirituality: Demons respect only the Name of Jesus in you). A little experience, will mordify your theology.

On looking closely, I saw that your misconceptions are still based on wrong understanding of terms and definitions.

Demonized:
Means to be under the influence of demons. It doesn't imply a possession. Other words are afflictions, torment and control.

When a person is always I'll through the actions of demons, or his finances are always in shambles through the action of demons, such person is said to be demonized.

In that sense, a Christian can be demonized NOT possessed!

The word ALWAYS, is important because, incidental attack by demons does not connote that such a person is demonized.

Demons do not have to live in a Host to Manifest. There seems to be 4 levels
i. Occupation of the Environment- Talisman
ii. Occupation of the Body - Causing Physical Sicknesses
iii. Occupation of the Soul - Causing Emotional Sickness
iv. Occupation of the Spirit - Causing Spiritual Sickness

It is impossible for a Christian to be afflicted through His Spirit.

shadeyinka:


I appreciate your explanations and especially attempting to find scriptures to support your view (even though I feel the scriptures are mid applied)

Every Born Again Christian can cast out demons. Its just a question of faith and persistence. I have a feeling you haven't cast out one before. (Its not a mark of spirituality: Demons respect only the Name of Jesus in you). A little experience, will mordify your theology.

On looking closely, I saw that your misconceptions are still based on wrong understanding of terms and definitions.

Demonized:
Means to be under the influence of demons. It doesn't imply a possession. Other words are afflictions, torment and control.

When a person is always I'll through the actions of demons, or his finances are always in shambles through the action of demons, such person is said to be demonized.

In that sense, a Christian can be demonized NOT possessed!

The word ALWAYS, is important because, incidental attack by demons does not connote that such a person is demonized.

Demons do not have to live in a Host to Manifest. There seems to be 4 levels
i. Occupation of the Environment- Talisman
ii. Occupation of the Body - Causing Physical Sicknesses
iii. Occupation of the Soul - Causing Emotional Sickness
iv. Occupation of the Spirit - Causing Spiritual Sickness

It is impossible for a Christian to be afflicted through His Spirit.

This is how a lot of new converts get bamboozled by 'theology' or 'new revelation' that has no scriptural backing or proof.

If anyone has an experience that does not align with the word, regardless of how revered he may be, I usually throw it out the window.

I sincerely wish Christians read their bible more.

John 8:31-32
The Truth Shall Make You Free
31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

Processor01:


This is how a lot of new converts get bamboozled by 'theology' or 'new revelation' that has no scriptural backing or proof.

If anyone has an experience that does not align with the word, regardless of how revered he may be, I usually throw it out the window.

I sincerely wish Christians read their bible more.

John 8:31-32
The Truth Shall Make You Free
31 Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him, “If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. 32 And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”

1. I bet you didn't read my post before concluding that they do not align with the scriptures (because I didn't line by line put a scripture to justify). Unfortunately, I type on my phone, so it isn't easy to put scriptures as much as possible.
2. All your scriptures were miss-applied but you assume that because you have posted a verse, they must be valid explanations/defence to your position.(if you want, we can do scripture by scripture analysis of your quotes)
3. It seems your rebuttals are based on what you think I am saying rather than what I have said.

For clarity, I said
a. Christians CANNOT be Possessed of Demons but they can be demonized (afflicted)
b. The word Demonized simply means Afflicted but the degree could be heavy or light (shallow or deep)
c. The act of eliminating the demons and their effect is called Deliverance in the christian circle.

So, Which one above is anti-scripture?

Check out the verses below and answer the question

2Cor12:7
7 And lest I should be exalted above measure by the abundance of the revelations, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I be exalted above measure. 8 Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me. 9 And He said to me, “ My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. 10 Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in needs, in persecutions, in distresses, for Christ's sake. For when I am weak, then I am strong. (NKJV)

1. Who gave Paul the thorn in the flesh? Was it God or Satan?

2. The Thorn in the flesh was described as "the Messanger of Satan" to buffet Paul. So, under whose influence is Paul with respect to this verse? God/Satan?

3. Did Paul desire freedom /deliverance from this affliction?

4. A messanger of Satan was given to Paul to whose advantage? Is this to further Gods kingdom or Satan's?

Answering the questions will reveal that not all scriptures are "black or white". There are a lot we don't understand with the logos(scriptures) . In the rhema, we (which is a function of our experience and walk with God), we understand some of them.


But the Rhema cannot replace the scriptures. Doctrines should never be formed from the rhema but from the logos. That is part of the reason why the Holy Spirit was given to us....Jesus said, I have many things to say to you...

In the scripture above:
1. It seemed that Paul was afflicted by Satan (Not possessed by demonized)
2. It seemed that Paul needed freedom (deliverance)
3. It seems like God said NO! To Paul's request for this freedom for a purpose (so that he wouldnt be proud).

Now, if a specific statement or phrase is wrong/anti scripture in this post, I am willing to learn.

But one thing I know:
I do not know a single Christian who has been regularly used by God for deliverance of others holding this possition of yours.

While you aquire experience in healing and deliverance of people, you will start asking deeper questions than the bible has clearly revealed.

Eg.
Why are we not doing it as effortless as Jesus?
Why does some deliverance take time and even sessions?
Why do relapse take place in a few cases?
Why do some people manifest and others don't?
Why some people inherit demonic afflictions?
Why some demons manifest as animals and some as men, women, husband, wife etc?
Why do some serious commited Christians manifest during deliverance?

The last question here is part of the bone of contention.

All these questions are inevitable as you get your hands dirty in Gods work.


Healing:, is an aspect of deliverance that focus on the Body
Salvation: is the aspect of deliverance that focus with the human spirit


Pls, don't get me wrong, -Ability to cast out demons is never a mark of spirituality. It is the bread of all believers in Christ. This sign shall follow them that believe should not just be a scriptural text for the brain but an experience

Shalom

Davoneskay:
I had this dream recently...in it, it seems I gave my landlord some money...later, I knocked on his door and I told is wife that I kept a bottle of cold star lager beer with them. His wife replied that it is chilled in their refrigerator. She brought it out and truly, it was chilled. It turned white like soda or smirn off but later turned to Star Lager beer.
As she was about to bring it to me, I had a feeling that drinking it would be a sin and therefore asked of a co-tenant if he is still around maybe she should give it to him. I discovered that he ain't. I later collected the beer but felt like disposing. Funnily, something spoke in me that it would amount to resource wastage as I spent some tokens to get the beer. I imagined that if only the beer could be coke I would have drank it with no fear of sinning. Immediately, a bottle being filled with coke appeared in the veranda I was and I made attempt to grab it but I was able to get an insight that the bottle of coke will break if I hold it. I felt an imaginary voice said to me that since I am unwilling to let go of the Star beer, I can't have the coke just like that.
Pls note, I have stopped taking alcohol. The problem I have is whenever I stop taking it(it could be as long as 8 months) something may just instigate me to have a time of brief pleasure...maybe one or two bottle.

Your dream really isn't about beer/alcohol but a call to check your spiritual state. You have kept a thing of the past that is hindering the future (spiritual life) causing a conflict.

Please set out time to pray and do a little soul searching. As you pray ask for grace to see that God is speaking about in your life.

Phil4:8
8 Finally, brethren, whatever things are true, whatever things are noble, whatever things are just, whatever things are pure, whatever things are lovely, whatever things are of good report, if there is any virtue and if there is anything praiseworthy—meditate on these things. (NKJV)

It seems it has to do with your Testimony: check it out

Shalom

@ Shadeyinka

Thank you very much for the very engaging discussions we have had on this thread.

While i still do not necessarily agree with some things you mentioned but i woke up this morning asking some questions on some other areas and all i have done for the past 8 hours has been reading and conducting interviews with christian friends that i know have struggled in the past with some affliction or the other.

Hopefully, i will come back with my findings. I am trusting that the Holy Spirit will shine his light on my questions.

Once again, thanks for a healthy discourse. God bless!

Processor01:
@ Shadeyinka

Thank you very much for the very engaging discussions we have had on this thread.

While i still do not necessarily agree with some things you mentioned but i woke up this morning asking some questions on some other areas and all i have done for the past 8 hours has been reading and conducting interviews with christian friends that i know have struggled in the past with some affliction or the other.

Hopefully, i will come back with my findings. I am trusting that the Holy Spirit will shine his light on my questions.

Once again, thanks for a healthy discourse. God bless!

Love you Bro.
Stay highly blessed.

Thanks for being so real. May you be His Battle Axe forever IJN
Shalom

You can interview me too o. PM me for WhatsApp number.

Once upon a time(late 80s/early 90s), kidnapping was rife in Owerri. It wasn't the kind of kidnapping for which ransom was demanded...once you were kidnapped, you were gone for good, unless you somehow miraculously escaped from your captors. So, I was a toddler, home alone with our house help when they came calling. There was a pattern of the kidnappers visiting some of the more quiet neighborhoods in the middle of the day, when they were sure the parents were off to work. There were speculations that they used black magic to convince people to let them into their houses and to do whatever they instructed them to do. Thus, they gained access to our home and sent the house help on an errand away from the house.
However, the house help returned from the errand to see the kidnapper running out of the room where I was(seemingly alone), screaming in horror as if he had seen a ghost and bolted out of the house without looking back. Only then did the house help come back to her senses and realize what had almost happened. Everyone we knew in Owerri then that heard the story confirmed that it was a familiar method the kidnappers used...in fact, a few years later, a family friend lost their son under similar circumstances and he was never seen again. Growing up I used to think the kidnapper got scared off by my teddy bear, now I know better and I like to think an angel of the Lord gave him a slap he'll never forget.

Kc3000:
Once upon a time(late 80s/early 90s), kidnapping was rife in Owerri. It wasn't the kind of kidnapping for which ransom was C300 demanded...once you were kidnapped, you were gone for good, unless you somehow miraculously escaped from your captors. So, I was a toddler, home alone with our house help when they came calling. There was a pattern of the kidnappers visiting some of the more quiet neighborhoods in the middle of the day, when they were sure the parents were off to work. There were speculations that they used black magic to convince people to let them into their houses and to do whatever they instructed them to do. Thus, they gained access to our home and sent the house help on an errand away from the house.
However, the house help returned from the errand to see the kidnapper running out of the room where I was(seemingly alone), screaming in horror as if he had seen a ghost and bolted out of the house without looking back. Only then did the house help come back to her senses and realize what had almost happened. Everyone we knew in Owerri then that heard the story confirmed that it was a familiar method the kidnappers used...in fact, a few years later, a family friend lost their son under similar circumstances and he was never seen again. Growing up I used to think the kidnapper got scared off by my teddy bear, now I know better and I like to think an angel of the Lord gave him a slap he'll never forget.

Can an angel of the Lord slap a person? #JustCurious

Philmathew:

Can an angel of the Lord slap a person? #JustCurious

Yes my dear.....especially when an ordinary man or woman is having a sinister motives. The funny thing is that he/she won't see the face but just a hand. Some time he won't see the hand.
That is why witches confess. But witches usually see the angel commanding he/she to confess while the angel torment the witch. As soon as she confesses the angel leaves.