lexy2014:
so u don't read? u aren't even better than me maybe even lazier.hahahahaha....my hero u just fall my hand.so 4 how long have u been using d laziness helping app?

Lol your retorts are so weak. It's obvious I read article since I had to know where to bolded important sections and commented on contexts of article. The app just helps since it reads it to you to save time. Its funny you're offended I called you lazy for commenting without reading on a text forum. You've yet to add any insight to actual topic since you're busy trying to save face because I called u lazy.

Ps:
Don't get your feeling to hurt just improve. I even used the app for my college classes reading boring book. I had app maybe a year.

rightwingz:


Lagos and yoruba people have no good idea when it comes to land act issues.
Nothing can change their behavior of ome-ni-le and agbaro................. This is the major problem of yoruba tribe. it wil be difficult to cure the cancer in yoruba land.

They will build estate for rent and stay in a poor house.

At least Yorubas still sell their land to non-indigenes. Try to buy Land in the SE as a non-Igbo. You go see pepper.

Blue3k:


Lol your retorts are so weak. It's obvious I read article since I had to know where to bolded important sections and commented on contexts of article. The app just helps since it reads it to you to save time. Its funny you're offended I called you lazy for commenting without reading on a text forum. You've yet to add any insight to actual topic since you're busy trying to save face because I called u lazy.

Ps:
Don't get your feeling to hurt just improve. I even used the app for my college classes reading boring book. I had app maybe a year.

y all d many many grammar since am d victim. by d way,as a hardworking guy, how can books b boring?did they force u 2 register 4d courses?

Other Nigerians should STOP selling lands to Igbos. In the SE Igbos do not sell land to non-Igbos. Infact, sometimes an Enugu man will not sell land to an Abia man let alone a non-Igbo person. This is one of the reasons why I am in support of regionalism where each region can set up its own land-use laws. What we have currently is a de-facto uneveness whereby one region (the SE) practices tribal discrimination while the other regions show tribal magnanimity and fairness.

FisifunKododada:
Other Nigerians should STOP selling lands to Igbos. In the SE Igbos do not sell land to non-Igbos. Infact, sometimes an Enugu man will not sell land to an Abia man let alone a non-Igbo person. This is one of the reasons why I am in support of regionalism where each region can set up its own land-use laws. What we have currently is a de-facto uneveness whereby one region (the SE) practices tribal discrimination while the other regions show tribal magnanimity and fairness.

No set of laws will stop a bigot from bigot. The only thing the state can do is make sure the don't institutionally condone bigotry like apartheid and Jim Crow laws. How would state know or stop this phenomenon.

The idea not to sell land would work though. Just to point out obvious don't believe in any of this discrimination. At the same time won't tell you who to sell your assets to or why.

Blue3k:

No set of laws will stop a bigot from bigot.

Where did I make this claim? All I said is if you have a particular region that practices blatant tribal discrimination in land business, its better to break things up regionally. That way, the other regions can choose to pay the Igbos back in their own coins OR not.

Blue3k:

The only thing the state can do is make sure the don't institutionally condone bigotry like apartheid and Jim Crow laws.

Tribalism is condoned in the SE when it comes to land sale. So how is the present structure discouraging this? The best way is to find a way to punish Igbos for their blatant tribalism. And the best vehicle for this is pure regionalism.

Blue3k:

How would state know or stop this phenomenon.

Go and look up how anti-discrimination laws are effected in countries like the US.

Blue3k:

The idea not to sell land would work though. Just to point out obvious don't believe in any of this discrimination. At the same time won't tell you who to sell your assets to or why.

FisifunKododada:

Where did I make this claim? All I said is if you have a particular region that practices blatant tribal discrimination in land business, its better to break things up regionally. That way, the other regions can choose to pay the Igbos back in their own coins OR not.


Tribalism is condoned in the SE when it comes to land sale. So how is the present structure discouraging this? The best way is to find a way to punish Igbos for their blatant tribalism. And the best vehicle for this is pure regionalism.


Go and look up how anti-discrimination laws are effected in countries like the US.

I live in Texas the no way state could stop white guy from only selling land or home to another white guy if that's what they want to do. As long they are idiots about it and blantly telling their intention. The discrimination laws work pretty well for rentals but you can simply disqualify race based on someother technicality maybe credit scorer requirements.

The present system can't do much because you have to take them to court and prove it. Proving intention is difficult look at USA for example. Take trump for example his father discriminated against black in his real estate. The courts had a hard time pinning him down. Mind you he had tens of cases and huge paper trail. Your average Joe not really.

You said a region practicea blatant tribal discrimination so your solution to their bigotry is regiona laws ok. You want to set up state sanctioned discrimination to repay igbos goodluck getting that through courts.

PrecisionFx:

It's 100 times better for my state governor to control my land, than to allow someone I don't know sitting in abuja to control it and behave like God Zeus.

Really? So you're perfectly happy with your governor stealing the sweat of your brow and giving it to his cronies, as long as you can say "na my person thief am"? How many Nigerian governors have been exemplars of justice and uprightness? Aren't they the same people who are owing salaries left, right and center while squandering huge sums on useless prestige projects?

When I say Nigerians are their own worst problem, this kind of thinking is exactly what I'm getting at.

Blue3k:


I live in Texas the no way state could stop white guy from only selling land or home to another white guy if that's what they want to do. As long they are idiots about it and blantly telling their intention. The discrimination laws work pretty well for rentals but you can simply disqualify race based on someother technicality maybe credit scorer requirements.

The present systemcan't do much because you have to take them to court and prove it. Proving intention is difficult look at USA for example. Take trump for example his father discriminated against black in his real estate. The courts had a hard time pinning him down. Mind you he had tens of cases and huge paper trail. Your average Joe not really.

You said a region practicea blatant tribal discrimination so your solution to their bigotry is regiona laws ok. You want to set up state sanctioned discrimination to repay igbos goodluck getting that through courts.

MANY cases have been ruled in favor of plaintiffs so just because of one high profile case involving Trump's father (which I believe he settled out of court - millions of dollars) does not mean the laws are not effective or not some serious form of deterrent.

My solution for the bigotry of Igbos when it comes to land sale is to tie land sale volumes to agreement between regions. For example, if a buyer comes from a region that does not discriminate against our indigene then he considered more favorably than someone who comes from a region that discriminates against our indigenes. It will be like a point system. Not dissimilar to countries that favor immigration from certain countries where they have good relations. There is no law that says you cannot punish a country or region that engages in behavior that is detrimental to your citizens or indigenes. Not dissimilar to sanctions placed on Russian investments in America.

omohayek:

Really? So you're perfectly happy with your governor stealing the sweat of your brow and giving it to his cronies, as long as you can say "na my person thief am"? How many Nigerian governors have been exemplars of justice and uprightness? Aren't they the same people who are owing salaries left, right and center while squandering huge sums on useless prestige projects?

When I say Nigerians are their own worst problem, this kind of thinking is exactly what I'm getting at.

Yes.
Let my governor steal everything, we will vote him out... unlike the Zeus in Abuja.

PrecisionFx:

Yes.
Let my governor steal everything, we will vote him out... unlike the Zeus in Abuja.

Lol you're not serious. Why exchange on poison for annother. Why not just be in change of your own land and mineral rights instead of having some guy in capital run your life. You can benefit directly under his proposal especially if you have resources through royalty check. The government will still be there to regulate and have city planning on local level and state level.

Strong system that empowers you the individualis better. Then limits ton the government at all tiers to bother you and your kin is best. You won't need to watch your back 24/7 to see some mini dictator with God complex throw weight around on useless peojects without adequate compensation.

Blue3k:


Lol you're not serious. Why exchange on poison for annother. Why not just be in change of your own land and mineral rights instead of having some guy in capital run your life. You can benefit directly under his proposal especially if you have resources through royalty check. The government will still be there to regulate and have city planning on local level and state level.

Strong system that empowers you the individualis better. Then limits ton the government at all tiers to bother you and your kin is best. You won't need to watch your back 24/7 to see some mini dictator with God complex throw weight around on useless peojects without adequate compensation.

I prefer a ocal poison than a foreign poison.

PrecisionFx:


I prefer a local poison than a foreign poison.

I'm glad you're man enough to admit that at least. Just remember you don't have to drink poison when there's option to run your own life. You don't have to be your governors cuck.

Blue3k:


I'm glad you're man enough to admit that at least. Just remember you don't have to drink poison when there's option to run your own life. You don't have to be your governors cuck.

There are 2 poisons to drink in a democracy, The presidential Poison n the governor poison.


There's no other way, we hope for the best.

omohayek:

The sort of primitive tribalism you're fighting with this clown is exactly why I think this "country" might as well be dissolved: far too many Nigerians at all levels of power allow tribal resentment to overrule their thinking faculties, resulting in all sorts of illogical policies, from a main refinery being located in Kaduna rather than in the ND where logic dictates, to SE senators keeping quiet as the 2nd River Niger bridge budget is slashed, to over a billion dollars being spent connecting Abuja to Kaduna even while neglecting the Lagos-Ibadan expressway, the country's main route for imports and exports. The thinking with too many Nigerians is never about whether a thing will benefit everyone or not, but whether another tribe they fear, hate or envy might benefit more than their own, in which case they would rather everyone suffer together, like the buffoon you're responding to.

Maybe if Nigeria breaks up, people will stop allowing such ridiculous considerations to govern their decision-making, once they no longer have other tribes to blame for making self-destructive choices.

I fear the same tribalist and religious sentiment will continue down to ward level. I've seen streets fighting over who will be elected councillor

Blue3k:
Don't trust these state governors any restructuring without fiscal automony is a joke. Eliminate joint account provision The call for decentralized police force is excellent. Local policing by local government would be great. The land use act is stupid the people should hold their own land and mineral rights not government. State and local government regulating land is much better.

I don't agree with special status call. You used to be a capital so what. Your taxes from population and infrastructure projects should accomadate population growth. This is just self serving measure and rightly tossed in busses by NASS as whole.

Davidif Omohayek: story for you.

As long as lagos was once the capital of nigeria,developed with money from the north,east ad southern region..Federal govt should not listen to him.

ZorGBUooeh:

As long as lagos was once the capital of nigeria,developed with money from the north,east ad southern region..Federal govt should not listen to him.

Lagos developed by the North's revenue? You do know that this pathetic model of revenue allocations that we practice now mostly started after the British left right? Lagos was successful because it was a prominent port city and port cities tend to be rather well off in most countries.

davidif:


Lagos developed by the North's revenue? You do know that this pathetic model of revenue allocations that we practice now mostly started after the British left right? Lagos was successful because it was a prominent port city this making it a successful commercial entity.

Lagos was developed with groundnut money,palm oil money ad crude oil money from the niger delta.

ZorGBUooeh:

Lagos was developed with groundnut money,palm oil money ad crude oil money from the niger delta.

Lagos was "developed" by groundout money and palm oil money? Since when did the British or the leaders in the first republic use revenue from another region to develop another? I understand that the Fed govt collects revenue through taxes but the regions developed themselves with their own revenue. Thats how things worked. It wasnt until.the millitary took over and started creating multiple states did we truly start this revenue sharing nonsense we practice today. Besides, with all the money the Fed govt give this states what have they used it for?

davidif:


Lagos was "developed" by groundout money and palm oil money? Since when did the British or the leaders in the first republic use revenue from another region to develop another? I understand that the Fed govt collects revenue through taxes but the regions developed themselves. Thats how things worked. It wasnt until.the millitary took over and started creating multiple states did we truly start this revenue sharing nonsense we practice today. Besides, with all the money the Fed govt give this states what have they used it for?

You dint mention crude oil?After the amalgamation of nigeria as a country,our colonial masters used the money every region contribute to develop nigeria including lagos.

ZorGBUooeh:

You dint mention crude oil?After the amalgamation of nigeria as a country,our colonial masters used the money every region contribute to develop nigeria including lagos.

Wrong!! Crude oil did not become a big deal till the oil boom of the 70's long after the british had left. Try again.

davidif:


Wrong!! Crude oil did not become a big deal till the oil boom of the 70's long after the british had left. Try again.

Hahaha!So where was the capital of nigeria during the oil boom period?

ZorGBUooeh:

Hahaha!So where was the capital of nigeria during the oil boom period?

I am not disputing the fact that oil revenue was used to "develop" Lagos what I was disputing was your earlier assertion where you said that revenue from the east and North was used to develop Lagos which I argued against.

davidif:


I am not disputing the fact that oil revenue was used to "develop" Lagos what I was disputing was your earlier assertion where you said that revenue from the east and North was used to develop Lagos which I argued against.

But you claimed lagos was developed without any contribution from other regions..
From the 60s till now lagos have bin developing at the detriment of other states tru the help of FG ad you guys want the same FG to give up territories they control..
As long as lagos was once a capital it won't be wrong if FG control some part of lagos..

After FG influenced development in lagos ad after they made lagos port the number 1 in nigeria, I dint mention the huge investments dangotes investment, and other investment.You guys want to control land FG ad other multi ethnic tribes in nigeria (hausas,Ibos,binis ad co)laboured to develop baa?

ZorGBUooeh:

But you claimed lagos was developed without any contribution from other regions..
From the 60s till now lagos have bin developing at the detriment of other states tru the help of FG ad you guys want the same FG to give up territories they control..
As long as lagos was once a capital it won't be wrong if FG control some part of lagos..

After FG influenced development in lagos ad after they made lagos port the number 1 in nigeria, I dint mention the huge investments dangotes investment, and other investment.You guys want to control land FG ad other multi ethnic tribes in nigeria (hausas,Ibos,binis ad co)laboured to develop baa?

First of all, I don't understand your grammar. I can only vaguely make out what you are saying. Please rewrite what you wrote up there. I have had to read multiple times to understand what you are trying to pass across.

Secondly, what i said was that Lagos was Not necessarily developed with palm oil and groundnut because back then we didn't have the revenue sharing model we have today back then.

Thirdly when it came to revenue sharing the fed govt also gave other regions money so your assertion that the fed govt has been developing Lagos "to the detriment of other regions" is just false. All the money that was given to the other states what did they do with it? Pray do tell Me?

We are talking about removing land from the govt's and given it back to the peiple and you are talking about something else.

Abeg, omohayek and blue3k can you people make out what this brother is saying?

davidif:


We are talking about removing land from the govt's and given it back to the peiple and you are talking about something else.

Abeg, omohayek and blue3k can you people make out what this brother is saying?

I've been reading the back and forth. He's talking nonsense yet again. Lagos was developed in 60's somehow just like North developed south oil in some people's imagination.

ZorGBUooeh:

But you claimed lagos was developed without any contribution from other regions..

Your argument is just as delusional as Northerners saying Groundnut develop South. The regoons at time weren't sharing allocation in same manner now. Lagos had a thriving economy back then sustaining it. He was referring to period before 70's.

ZorGBUooeh:

From the 60s till now lagos have bin developing at the detriment of other states tru the help of FG and you guys want the same FG to give up territories they control..
As long as lagos was once a capital it won't be wrong if FG control some part of lagos..

Why are you so bitter advocating for a stupid policy that doesn't benefit you. The federal government inefficiency and benefits you would get as land owner is better. There would be less stress in life and you would have to get stupid certificate.

You disagree with Ambode stance on having federal land registery in lagos.

ZorGBUooeh:

After FG influenced development in lagos and after they made lagos port the number 1 in nigeria, I dint mention the huge investments dangotes investment, and other investment.

They made lagos port number 1. Did they force shippers to Lagos? The only stupid thing federal governmentdid was wasting money on shallow eastern ports. They should have build deep seaports. Dangote chose lagos was his decision. Unless the argumentis about sweet heart deals he gets.

ZorGBUooeh:

You guys want to control land FG and other multi ethnic tribes in nigeria (hausas,Ibos,binis ad co)laboured to develop baa?

Who said this?

Ps: Davidif his qoutes broken into coherent parts. Maybe you can see what he's talking about.

davidif:



First of all, I don't understand your grammar. I can only vaguely make out what you are saying. Please rewrite what you wrote up there. I have had to read multiple times to understand what you are trying to pass across.

Secondly, what i said was that Lagos was Not necessarily developed with palm oil and groundnut because back then we didn't have the revenue sharing model we have today back then.

Thirdly when it came to revenue sharing the fed govt also gave other regions money so your assertion that the fed govt has been developing Lagos "to the detriment of other regions" is just false. All the money that was given to the other states what did they do with it? Pray do tell Me?

We are talking about removing land from the govt's and given it back to the peiple and you are talking about something else.

Abeg, omohayek and blue3k can you people make out what this brother is saying?

You dint understand wot I wrote ad you replied me with dis long piece of crap..Oya im don do..Go ad rest.
Lagos was developed with FG money,so lagos is FEDERAL TERRITORY..SIMPLE

ZorGBUooeh:

You dint understand wot I wrote ad you replied me with dis long piece of crap..Oya im don do..Go ad rest.
Lagos was developed with FG money,so lagos is FEDERAL TERRITORY..SIMPLE

I responded to some of the things I could understand. The rest were incoherent.

Blue3k:


Your argument is just as delusional as Northerners saying Groundnut develop South. The regoons at time weren't sharing allocation in same manner now. Lagos had a thriving economy back then sustaining it. He was referring to period before 70's.



Why are you so bitter advocating for a stupid policy that doesn't benefit you. The federal government inefficiency and benefits you would get as land owner is better. There would be less stress in life and you would have to get stupid certificate.

You disagree with Ambode stance on having federal land registery in lagos.



They made lagos port number 1. Did they force shippers to Lagos? The only stupid thing federal governmentdid was wasting money on shallow eastern ports. They should have build deep seaports. Dangote chose lagos was his decision. Unless the argumentis about sweet heart deals he gets.



Who said this?

Ps: Davidif his qoutes broken into coherent parts. Maybe you can see what he's talking about.

Who are you?Are you his spokesman?Abi lawyer?

ZorGBUooeh:

Who are you?Are you his spokesman?Abi lawyer?

Address the argument your on an open forum. I can comment on what ever I plesse. Address why you want stupid policy that doesn't benefit you.

ZorGBUooeh:

You dint understand wot I wrote ad you replied me with dis long piece of crap..Oya im don do..Go ad rest.
Lagos was developed with FG money,so lagos is FEDERAL TERRITORY..SIMPLE

Lagos was developed by other regions in 60's. You been ranting all night about this then you switch your argument later. Every state was developed by oil after stupid allocation came to play. Now stop ur rants.

davidif:


I responded to some of the things I could understand. The rest were incoherent.

My GUY LAGOS was developed with FG money,again FG biased FAVORITISM helped develop lagos..Hope you understand me now?