oyetpel:


what is Yara's worth to Cersei?

Tara took Greyjoy ships and helped Dany get back to Westeros. A friend/ally of Dany is an enemy of Cersei.

Nihilist:
This was such a pointless scene though...

A scene to tell us where she is heading to

GMan650:



Sorry to interrupt Bro;
To me, survival in Game of Throne thus far has been based on luck, strongwill, allies and madness. The strongest and wisest ones don't seem to last, take Kahl Drogo, Mad dawg n his broda, Ned stark(wise and strong) as examples. These men are stronger and wiser than Jon yet they are dead. No one among them can stand Jon in terms of strongwill and I think that's what's keeping the 'bastard' alive. Even Jaime(one of the best swordsman in the series) lost a hand, so it's almost impossible for a strong character in the series not to have lost something. Take it that Jon has lost his weak 'soul' in the process of dying..... dude has conquered death once and he's ready to damn death again. That alone qualifies him as a good king, leader as per Game of Thrones standard.

You have said it all.

Gbola5:


Exactly. Arya wouldn't survive in King's Landing the way Sansa did. Sansa is passive aggressive, that is her armor.

You know better than this, what are you saying? She's among the Faceless now, she can be anyone she wants to be

Nihilist:
This was such a pointless scene though...

It wasn't though. Most fans think the Lannisters are a savage/brutish lot, and the Starks the opposite. But in a war there isn't one side that is wholly good or bad. An earlier episode shows Brienne and Jaime coming across three women hanged by Stark soldiers. Another one shows Arya begging for food from Lannister soldiers and being turned down. This one shows us Lannister soldiers who actually don't care who wins or loses, who just want to return home to their families. At first Arya is reluctant to eat their meat and meed, but after hearing them out she partakes of their guest right, it shows she's not so lost afterall. It reminds me of Septon Meribald's speech about broken men who are off fighting someone else's war; which i will be posting shortly.

Gbola5:


It wasn't though. Most fans think the Lannisters are a savage/brutish lot, and the Starks the opposite. But in a war there isn't one side that is wholly good or bad. An earlier episode shows Brienne and Jaime coming across three women hanged by Stark soldiers. Another one shows Arya begging for food from Lannister soldiers and being turned down. This one shows us Lannister soldiers who actually don't care who wins or loses, who just want to return home to their families. At first Arya is reluctant to eat their meat and meed, but after hearing them out she partakes of their guest right, it shows she's not so lost afterall. It reminds me of Septon Meribald's speech about broken men who are off fighting someone else's war; which i will be posting shortly.

Nope it was only there to cameo Ed Sheeran.

There's no other hidden meaning to the scene. It really wasn't that deep.

PR3ACHER:
You know better handle this, what are you saying? She's among the Faceless now, she can be anyone she wants to be

She can't kill her way through everything.

UjSizzle:

Tara took Greyjoy ships and helped Dany get back to Westeros. A friend/ally of Dany is an enemy of Cersei.

he is going to gift her ellaria sand and yara...have seen episode 2 trailer

Nihilist:


Nope it was only there to cameo Ed Sheeran.

There's no other hidden meaning to the scene. It really wasn't that deep.

I admit Ed Sheeran distracted me from the scene. But you really didn't get anything else from the scene ?

Nihilist:


Nope it was only there to cameo Ed Sheeran.

There's no other hidden meaning to the scene. It really wasn't that deep.

It was very deep. Ed Sheeran wasn't needed in that scene. It shows that Arya still has some empathy and is human. Not a total killing freak. It humanized the lannister soldiers for once in the show, not all are a rapists, evil-minded like them Cersei, mountain etc.

Also, that Wars are started by the elite & fought by the young and common folk. The boys follow orders and fight wars regardless of they have any beef with the enemy or not. Typically, a soldiers perspective and life.

Back on the road, the septon said, “We would do well to keep a watch tonight, my friends. The villagers say they’ve seen three broken men skulking round the dunes, west of the old watchtower.” “Only three?” Ser Hyle smiled. “Three is honey to our swordswench. They’re not like to trouble armed men.” “Unless they’re starving,” the septon said. “There is food in these marshes, but only for those with the eyes to find it, and these men are strangers here, survivors from some battle. If they should accost us, ser, I beg you, leave them to me.” “What will you do with them?” “Feed them. Ask them to confess their sins, so that I might forgive them. Invite them to come with us to the Quiet Isle.” “That’s as good as inviting them to slit our throats as we sleep,” Hyle Hunt replied. “Lord Randyll has better ways to deal with broken men—steel and hempen rope.” “Ser? My lady?” said Podrick. “Is a broken man an outlaw?” “More or less,” Brienne answered. Septon Meribald disagreed. “More less than more. There are many sorts of outlaws, just as there are many sorts of birds. A sandpiper and a sea eagle both have wings, but they are not the same. The singers love to sing of good men forced to go outside the law to fight some wicked lord, but most outlaws are more like this ravening Hound than they are the lightning lord. They are evil men, driven by greed, soured by malice, despising the gods and caring only for themselves. Broken men are more deserving of our pity, though they may be just as dangerous. Almost all are common-born, simple folk who had never been more than a mile from the house where they were born until the day some lord came round to take them off to war. Poorly shod and poorly clad, they march away beneath his banners, ofttimes with no better arms than a sickle or a sharpened hoe, or a maul they made themselves by lashing a stone to a stick with strips of hide. Brothers march with brothers, sons with fathers, friends with friends. They’ve heard the songs and stories, so they go off with eager hearts, dreaming of the wonders they will see, of the wealth and glory they will win. War seems a fine adventure, the greatest most of them will ever know. “Then they get a taste of battle. “For some, that one taste is enough to break them. Others go on for years, until they lose count of all the battles they have fought in, but even a man who has survived a hundred fights can break in his hundred-and-first. Brothers watch their brothers die, fathers lose their sons, friends see their friends trying to hold their entrails in after they’ve been gutted by an axe. “They see the lord who led them there cut down, and some other lord shouts that they are his now. They take a wound, and when that’s still half- healed they take another. There is never enough to eat, their shoes fall to pieces from the marching, their clothes are torn and rotting, and half of them are shitting in their breeches from drinking bad water. “If they want new boots or a warmer cloak or maybe a rusted iron halfhelm, they need to take them from a corpse, and before long they are stealing from the living too, from the smallfolk whose lands they’re fighting in, men very like the men they used to be. They slaughter their sheep and steal their chickens, and from there it’s just a short step to carrying off their daughters too. And one day they look around and realize all their friends and kin are gone, that they are fighting beside strangers beneath a banner that they hardly recognize. They don’t know where they are or how to get back home and the lord they’re fighting for does not know their names, yet here he comes, shouting for them to form up, to make a line with their spears and scythes and sharpened hoes, to stand their ground. And the knights come down on them, faceless men clad all in steel, and the iron thunder of their charge seems to fill the world… “And the man breaks. “He turns and runs, or crawls off afterward over the corpses of the slain, or steals away in the black of night, and he finds someplace to hide. All thought of home is gone by then, and kings and lords and gods mean less to him than a haunch of spoiled meat that will let him live another day, or a skin of bad wine that might drown his fear for a few hours. The broken man lives from day to day, from meal to meal, more beast than man. Lady Brienne is not wrong. In times like these, the traveler must beware of broken men, and fear them…but he should pity them as well.” When Meribald was finished a profound silence fell upon their little band. Brienne could hear the wind rustling through a clump of pussywillows, and farther off the faint cry of a loon. She could hear Dog panting softly as he loped along beside the septon and his donkey, tongue lolling from his mouth. The quiet stretched and stretched, until finally she said, “How old were you when they marched you off to war?” “Why, no older than your boy,” Meribald replied. “Too young for such, in truth, but my brothers were all going, and I would not be left behind. Willam said I could be his squire, though Will was no knight, only a potboy armed with a kitchen knife he’d stolen from the inn. He died upon the Stepstones, and never struck a blow. It was fever did for him, and for my brother Robin. Owen died from a mace that split his head apart, and his friend Jon Pox was hanged for rape.” “The War of the Ninepenny Kings?” asked Hyle Hunt. “So they called it, though I never saw a king, nor earned a penny. It was a war, though. That it was.”

TheKingIsHere:


If Sansa was smart, why couldn't she use that smartness to save herself from Ramsey and Geoffrey?

I so get whr u coming from!!!...
Truth is her character has grown..
she may not b dt scared little gal who plays with dolls anymore...
but smart.? ...4 whr?..
if she was smart as some r claiming.. she'd av found a way to use her feminine whims to subdue Ramsay...At least if I didn't work with Geoffrey..

And Abt the Vale stuff pple Kip pontificating abt..
I dnt get... it's simple Maths.. the side wit d highest number wins 9.99 out of 10...

I dnt see hw inviting the Knights if the vale was a “Smart” decision..
if anything she was foolish 4 not accepting it earlier..
if she had, who knows ,so many of the wildings n Wun Wun my favorite giant myt still b Alive!!!

Gbola5:


It wasn't though. Most fans think the Lannisters are a savage/brutish lot, and the Starks the opposite. But in a war there isn't one side that is wholly good or bad. An earlier episode shows Brienne and Jaime coming across three women hanged by Stark soldiers. Another one shows Arya begging for food from Lannister soldiers and being turned down. This one shows us Lannister soldiers who actually don't care who wins or loses, who just want to return home to their families. At first Arya is reluctant to eat their meat and meed, but after hearing them out she partakes of their guest right, it shows she's not so lost afterall. It reminds me of Septon Meribald's speech about broken men who are off fighting someone else's war; which i will be posting shortly.

Very true, she initially thought about killing them before Their attitude surprised her and gave her a different perspective of who are her true enemies.

Yonce:



I actually meant freak in a good way. But if I'm being honest. . . . .Dany has had everything easy since Drogo died.

Nothing remarkably terrible ever happens to her, millions just fall for her beauty or her dragons or her immunity to the flames. If there's anyone who's lucky, it's not Jon Snow, it's Dany.

Have you forgotten how Dany almost died at the end of season 5, if not for the Dragon that saved her, she too had it rough at one time!

Coyotejack:



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Yes she is doing something right , are u dismissing the fact that her decision saved the north , as for bayelish he has a soft spot for Sansa , what he is hoping to achieve only him, Sansa and R.R martin know .

Been following ur chat wit TheKingIsHere.. n I must say.. ur points jst weak me.. now I can't take it it again...

Bruh.. SANSA is USELESS..
U call waiting everyday locked in a castle only to b raped repeatedly at nyt by her captor Ramsay , doing sth?..
At least 4 nw... I am loving Wat she mayb shaping to b.. Bt ATM she's a FOOL..

And Abt saving the north dts nt rily a smart way if thinking...
remember she didn't ask Little finger 4 aid in d beginning?.. he had to offer the knights of d vale to Her on a platter... she stupidly rejected dem...

Later wen she discovered her childish logic abt the northern houses flocking bak in their thousands to lick d Stark boots.. she readjusted her brain n called Baelish she initially refused..

So if anyone saved the North and house Stark.. it's LITTLE FINGER..

and I av to say.. I detest d way dey r treating him...
House Stark Wld av bn history n d Boltons Wld still rule d north if nt 4 his masterful anticipation...

So bruh.. Sansa myt get smart as the season progresses.. Bt as far as nw is concerned she ain't SMART..

Gbola5:


She can't kill her way through everything.

So true, in King's landing, more guards and more security, it will be pretty difficult for her to kill her way through.

TheKingIsHere:


Did you say Sansa is manipulating baylish I hope this is a joke.

Anyways you guys should stop making me look like the bad guy here. Sansa has been useless from day one and when the white walkers come we will see how useless she is.

Yes she was useless, what she isn't is brainless, she has survived the statecraft of the craftiest by luck and yes, such craftiness eventually rubs of on even the stupid! So yes she is manipulating baelish, funny right? You don't manipulate baelish by appearing to be smart i.e a genuine contending player in the game of thrones like varys and cersei, you do it by appearing to be exactly what he assessed you to be without your actions detracting from your goal, in sansas case, an overly emotional character with a sense of entitlement who acts on impulse i.e supporting jons kingship on impulse and opposing clemency to houses karstark and umber on the impulse of self righteous anger over the betrayal. If you think it isn't working ask yourself why the army of the vale and baelish are still at winterfell

Talius:

I thought Cersei used up all the wild.fire she had.

may seem like she did after season 6finale

Bt u assure u she still has more Dan Enof to make a difference...
Remember wen JAIME told BRIENNE the mad king had wild fire stored beneath the red keep, in flea bottom n below the Sept of Baelor)..
She Cld jst mine those and use dem against her enemies...

And she still has d scientist dt can manufacture wildfire..

UjSizzle:

Tara took Greyjoy ships and helped Dany get back to Westeros. A friend/ally of Dany is an enemy of Cersei.

Yara is nothing

TheKingIsHere:


That's what am saying. She met baylish yet again for help because she couldn't think outside the box as usual. Baylish was the one who came up with a plan to get the knights of vale to save Jon. Without baylish, Sansa is nothing

Honesty you're confused! What was baelish's gain in restoring winterfell to the starks? If you can answer this question then you'll understand why the credit of Jon's victory at the bastard bowl belongs to sansa and not little finger! And you must remember that sansa had previously turned down baelish's offer of the vale knights when he came to see sansa at mole town when sansa was still at the wall. And also remember why varys said a mans most valuable possessions are not his gold but the contents of his letters and getting access to that brought him to his position! I have given you a simple puzzle, if you can solve it, then you'll understand what the rest of us who disliked the old sansa as much as you did/do, like the new sansa

Yonce:



Most people just want Sansa to be as fierce as Arya, they forget Arya had the best fighting teachers in Westeros and as far as Braavos, Sansa spent her formative years watching cunning people work, manipulate events and play the game of thrones. . . . .it's only fair that her strength should lie beyond holding a sword and slashing throats

Bruh I get u...
No One is saying she shld pick up a sword n start slashing Lannisters... Bt Boy she'd look rily BADASS with a Sword!!..

She showed d amt of cunning she was capable of.. Wen she defended n lied for Littlefinger against d judges at d Vale after he killed her Aunt Lysa ...

Bt frm dere she went downhill.. Nothing of note... Except 4 d part whr she told Miranda she'll Neva scare her cos dis is her father's castle ...

Bt there was No use of her lushful beauty to subdue n ensnare Ramsay..
she basically lived as a prisoner in her father's castle at WINTERFELL..

until wen Theon Greyjoy saved her n asked dem to escape..

so Pulissss... she has note put to good use all she had learned at Kings landing and beyond ..

That's Wat we want to see..

TheKingIsHere:


So she wrote a letter that's makes her useful

Have you forgotten that it was still baylish that received this letter after he convinced the knights of vale.
The same Sansa that failed to convince other houses to fight for her.

Without little finger do you think she would have gotten the knights of vale to save Jon? Let's be truthful here.

baelish needn't convince any knight of the vale, baelish commands and they obey simple! Baelish is the de-facto lord arryn for all intents and purposes! That you fail to appreciate this simple fact is mind boggling! Baelish is the vale! Same as tywin was the west and Ned then rob was the north!

Rubyventures:


He is a true leader rules with his heart, just like his father Nerd Stark and where did that get him? Killed!

a beloved leader leads with his heart, a successful leader leads with his head

BraniacX:

i think sansa senses this and that is why she publicly disagreed with Jon, to give baelish the presumption of things not going too well between she and Jon and i think she'll continue, forcing baelish to commit himself until she can entrap him and wrestle sweet robin and the army of the vale from him so no, sansa ain't no longer stupid

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Kai.. dis is smart thinking Braniac...
Bt its all jst speculations 4vd Tym being..
I however so wish dis is Wat she's planning...
Bt if not den...

TheKingIsHere:


This must be a joke as it is really funny.

Why don't you tell us how Jon snow isn't a good leader because if he wasn't he wouldn't be made lord of the nights watch despite he broke their oath and there was a more experienced night watch candidate than him..Am sure the recruitment pool there is also shallow right? .

As for him being killed, he was never killed in battle rather he was betrayed by someone who felt he deserves to be lord of the night watch. So no big deal. Why? Because he got higher back up above death all thanks to the Lord of light.

Jon is an ideal leader as are all starks, not a good leader, examples of good leaders are tywin lannister and randyll tarly

TheKingIsHere:
Only Jon and bran are wargs. Take note

All are wargs even sansa! ...... Gosh! You have a lot to learn don't you? Clue: all direwolves had exactly the same temperament as the stark child they belonged to e.g lady being very mannered, ghost lonesome and brooding, greywind aggressive and purposefui and nymeria and shaggydog very unpredictable and wild and brans durewolf, need i say more?

BraniacX:

Honesty you're confused! What was baelish's gain in restoring winterfell to the starks? If you can answer this question then you'll understand why the credit of Jon's victory at the bastard bowl belongs to sansa and not little finger! And you must remember that sansa had previously turned down baelish's offer of the vale knights when he came to see sansa at mole town when sansa was still at the wall. And also remember why varys said a mans most valuable possessions are not his gold but the contents of his letters and getting access to that brought him to his position! I have given you a simple puzzle, if you can solve it, then you'll understand what the rest of us who disliked the old sansa as much as you did/do, like the new sansa

What is your point because you are yet to make any sense with this your post.

As for asking for baylish gain, I SMH, why? Because nobody knows what exactly baylish plans to do. He is one of the smartest and cunning character in the series. Baylish masterminded the main plot of the War of the Five Kings. What was his plan? No one knows.

BraniacX:

All are wargs even sansa! ...... Gosh! You have a lot to learn don't you? Clue: all direwolves had exactly the same temperament as the stark child they belonged to e.g lady being very mannered, ghost lonesome and brooding, greywind aggressive and purposefui and nymeria and shaggydog very unpredictable and wild and brans durewolf, need i say more?

E be like say your data is in slow motion or something? I shared my thoughts and gbola5 pointed out some corrections which I acknowledged, so what exactly is the essence of this your post again?

BraniacX:

Jon is an ideal leader as are all starks, not a good leader, examples of good leaders are tywin lannister and randyll tarly

This makes sense and I agree partially, however, you fail to tell us why Jon isn't a good leader.

Gbola5:


In the show only Bran is a warg. They're all wargs in the books however. Unless they change that later on in the show.

in the show, Jon is also a warg, on his foray with qhorhin half hand he spied the camp of mance rayder through the eyes of ghost while asleep in season 2, arya is too i think, though that is yet to be revealed! I think she'll reunite with nymeria before she gets to kingslanding and it is interesting to know that nymerias metamorphosis in the river lands mirrors arya starks in terms of ruthlessness, cunning and savagery

TheKingIsHere:
I don't think there are all wargs in the books. I read back then that it was bran and Jon that were wargs

bro! You no read am well, go back go read am like say you wan write exam

Gbola5:


At this point Jaime has no story of his own, he only serves Cersei's story, like an accessory. This is one change i don't like. She does the exact thing he kills his king for; branding him the Kingslayer title, and he's still attached to her at every turn.

two words "love" and "family"