ActivateKruger:



Show of strength? Lol... Unless you come up with 4 stealth frigates, 3 Submarines then you're welcome... Till then we'll let you pass maybe Madagascar would be threatened.

Iblawi1:


You might want to do some editing.

ActivateKruger:


So you think we started operating Submarines recently, we have more than half a century headstart provided you just got submarines today which you obviously don't.

So shame me on how you could defeat our fleet, I'll show you how half our fleet could defeat your current and future ordered fleet. Go on, I'm all yours

ActivateKruger:


So you think we started operating Submarines recently, we have more than half a century headstart provided you just got submarines today which you obviously don't.

So shame me on how you could defeat our fleet, I'll show you how half our fleet could defeat your current and future ordered fleet. Go on, I'm all yours

Covert1:


Like I said u're welcome. We all know you love to draw blood. Thing is just maybe you do sink a ship or two, it is the reality of war but we will still land on your shores. But there won't be war not gonna happen but Proxy war you bet some of us been itching to pull a curtain on SA' grandstanding and I mean in real combat. Bangui was just a teaser using kid rebels.

Covert1:


First the SADF is not the SANDF, far from it. Secondly Submarines are prey (very important you understand that) and yours are not Nuclear powered an even greater disadvantage. And what is half your fleet? Your entire active fleet is smaller than the Nigerian Navy. Methinks first you don't know this or you downplay it's efficacy in Total War: Nigeria invests in infrastructure that makes sense and it gives it advantage. We know the position of your ships and potentially your subs even before we sail. You don't stand a chance.

ActivateKruger:


Land on our shores via Home Affairs, that's the only way you will as a Nigerian.... As for the military invasion, I'd love to see you try, it would be so entertaining to see Nigerians cry for hundreds of sailors who sank..... "Mamaweeeee" I already hear your ladies.

Iblawi1:


He is referring to 2 different people. Mr. Jln a South African on this thread and a Nigerian who's is in the Senate or someone who works with the National Assembly.

Iblawi1:


That guy doesn't know their sub can only stay submerged just for a short period.

Covert1:


First the SADF is not the SANDF, far from it. Secondly Submarines are prey (very important you understand that) and yours are not Nuclear powered an even greater disadvantage. And what is half your fleet? Your entire active fleet is smaller than the Nigerian Navy. Methinks first you don't know this or you downplay it's efficacy in Total War: Nigeria invests in infrastructure that makes sense and gives it advantage. You don't have that capability. Only Nigeria has it in the entire Africa. We know the position of your ships and potentially your subs even before we sail. You don't stand a chance.

Covert1:


Obviously clear he's uninformed. Looking like child's play and I'm not cut out for that.

officialdayo:


Your subs are not stealthy in design. You'll find it extremely hard to detect a s non stealthy ship taking precautions.


We have two OPV already. If NN was going to be ambitious like Algeria, I'll say fit in those vessel with SONAR.
Submarine, they said one and a multipurpose frigate means we're getting a well armed ship. As long as you're looking for us, a quiet vessel on high alert will find you.

It's obvious you are highly likely to detect the surface vessel first .



About the Submarine, it doesn't make sense having a single sub so I'm sure there's plan for more. This money isn't from the navy budget but a special funding so NN should compliment whatever hardware she needs with her own share of the national cake.

Iblawi1:


He's feeling like they have a nuclear submarine. Their sub can only stay submerged for 400nmi which is just enough to come out of their EEZ and back. Our Chinese OPVs have radars that can see the sub charging dead batteries around 250km away.

Maybe he needs more education on why you called it prey to surface ships.

ActivateKruger:


This is what your post deserves...


94, what changed with the SADF was nothing but the uniform and the "N"... Same gear until 2006. The current leadership grew from the old SADF, all members of the ANC MK had to undergo SADF military tactics before integration.... All military doctrines since the days of the Union Defence Forces till jungle warfare are taught. The current armour crew knows all about the UDF tactics deployed against the Italians to the recent ones against the Cubans in Angola etc.

As for you having infrastructure we don't, I won't even go there because it's just imagination playing thick tricks on you.

Again, explain to me how your NN will shame 4 stealth frigates and 3 submarines?

ActivateKruger:


Naaah, I won't go the official route here.

Me and you know that you won't directly send a provocative fleet in our waters unless you mean war which our boys are trained for.

See, South Africa killed Cuban troops in Angola in large numbers but they never attempted to ask for the Soviets to bring a fleet down south despite them taking body bags back to Cuba every other month.... They obviously knew something you don't.

Iblawi1:


He's feeling like they have a nuclear submarine. Their sub can only stay submerged for 400nmi which is just enough to come out of their EEZ and back. Our Chinese OPVs have radars that can see the sub charging dead batteries around 250km away. And only the s400 can cover 250km,
LOL I don't think a surface ship with no anti submarine package can see that far.
Maybe he needs more education on why you called it prey to surface ships.

ActivateKruger:


Naaah, I won't go the official route here.

Me and you know that you won't directly send a provocative fleet in our waters unless you mean war which our boys are trained for.

See, South Africa killed Cuban troops in Angola in large numbers but they never attempted to ask for the Soviets to bring a fleet down south despite them taking body bags back to Cuba every other month.... They obviously knew something you don't.

Sizzorkay:
Why do things often degenerate into competition btw SA and Nigeria whenever Nigeria get something new, or about to? This is childish.
Enough already

Iblawi1:


He's feeling like they have a nuclear submarine. Their sub can only stay submerged for 400nmi which is just enough to come out of their EEZ and back. Our Chinese OPVs have radars that can see the sub charging dead batteries around 250km away.

Maybe he needs more education on why you called it prey to surface ships.

officialdayo:


That's CUBAN and Not Nigeria. Cameroon killed our military personnel and we sent in hinds over 15km deep into their airspace to launch a repraisal attack.

officialdayo:


The SSV will be operating with another asset when on deployment. With its capability to carry three helos, the other asset most likely a well armed OPV will carry a helo. That's 4 helos already.

ActivateKruger:


But you're aware that killing Cuban troops came with serious consequences right? But we bombed them, fired at them, took their systems and even sank a Soviet supply ship.

Nigeria would be target practice as if they came south chanting war tunes.

Covert1:

Wait until you see the Nigerian Navy off Cape Town

Covert1:


We are not interested in doing that, no not at all if you don't make us to because once you almost did but cool & wise heads prevailed

Iblawi1:


This is not a debate. Things happen differently here unlike SA that brags about military procurements.

We just wanted you to know Nigeria can start procurement process from bottom to top instead of top to bottom.

ActivateKruger:


*Yawn

So you think a navy that has operated a fleet of submarines for 47 years would not know what to do with that? Ever heard of doctrines where you develop efficiencies with the equipment you use? So you think we don't know about the strengths and weaknesses of electric diesel submarines? Then develop doctrines around it? We don't have one of the best military academy in the world for jokes.


NB: The Cubans had installed radar in Angola that covered the whole country and half of Namibia... The SAAF still bombed, in fact we even flew Pumas while the feared SA-7 missiles took guard. Then we went on capturing a mobile missile system that the US and Israelis begged the SADF to have.... Then you talk about your 2 Chinese patrol boats.

*Yawning

officialdayo:


Let me explain . Jln115 has insecurity issues, when those ships arrive, he knows his arguments here on SA navy being better will be flawed.

Remember , the jf17 delivery news is still a shock to him, you want to give him hypertension with this too ni?

Covert1:

Again if Diplomacy and subtle military threat had not worked The Nigerian Navy would have shown up off Cape Town at the least in a show of Strength.