AbdelKabir:


Well, using the evidences from the Qur'an and sunnah literally, one can't help but conclude its actually the sun that orbits the earth....

This is what shaykh ibn uthaymeen believed....

If there is any "evidence" from Qur'an and Sunnah that support Geocentricity, that "evidence" is in human relativistic point of view. Of course, to us as human beings, the sun apparently rises from the East and sets in the West. How do we expect Allah(SWT) or the Prophet(SAW) to address us with respect to the movement?

Heliocentricity is what we have in reality.

hfeetham0:
I came to my conclusions months after researching about it...

satellites images..? there is NO artificial satellite up there (don't be surprised). also man never landed on the moon.. also man can never escape the earth surface...

the earth is surrounded by the great ice of antartica that encycles the earth(illustrated below)

You're a clown!

I have a feeling you work for one of the conspiracy theory companies.

How much are you being paid?

hfeetham0:
I came to my conclusions months after researching about it...

satellites images..? there is NO artificial satellite up there (don't be surprised). also man never landed on the moon.. also man can never escape the earth surface...

the earth is surrounded by the great ice of antartica that encycles the earth(illustrated below)

Toor ..i give up then. You must have been reading lots of conspiracy theories. We all had our doubts like you, i even questioned the moon landing by stating that the technology then had the memory of a Casio Calculator so recording and transmitting live images from thousands of Kilometres were near impossible but with much more reading and openness i realized it was possible and did infact happen. That's fact trumping opinions.

If there are no satellites out there , i really don't need to push you too far. Turn on your phone, go to google maps and view traffic. Those things use GPS sensors to know the traffic situation. Your weather report, even your cell phones use satellites. Wonder why DSTV goes bad when there are clouds? Or you hear cloud computing or streaming? Or the popular iCloud on iphones? All those use satellite based technoliges.

Also , differences in the way a shadow is reflected is enough evidence that the earth is not flat. If the earth were to be flat. The angle of elevation for all items would be the same and the shadows they cast all day would be the same height. As a muslim, guess you forgot how Zuhr, Asri and Mahgrib prayers are determined by how shadows are casted?

I would implore you to read actual scientific sources and stop wallowing in abject ignorance. I feel like planking your head from here. Earth is flat ke? Ignorance comes in bales indeed.


Seriously what have people been smoking of recently? People should watch what they read seriously.

onegig:


I would implore you to read actual scientific sources and stop wallowing in abject ignorance. I feel like planking your head from here. Earth is flat ke? Ignorance comes in bales indeed.


Seriously what have people been smoking of recently? People should watch what they read seriously.

@bolded

Early morning weed is very dangerous!

MrOlai:


You're a clown!

I have a feeling you work for one of the conspiracy theory companies.

How much are you being paid?

you resort to abusive word.? bye!

MrOlai:


@bolded

Early morning weed is very dangerous!

Abi. The guy or lady wakes up every morning and sees the moon and the sun. Do those two look flat to anyone?

At least if you believe satellites don't exist and all you see on tv is fake. I guess the moon and sun you see with your Koro koro eye is drawn by someone and placed in the sky to make people believe things are spherical abi?

If you can't believe what your eyes see then i doubt anyone would be able to convince such person of their folly.

onegig:



Toor ..i give up then. You must have been reading lots of conspiracy theories. We all had our doubts like you, i even questioned the moon landing by stating that the technology then had the memory of a Casio Calculator so recording and transmitting live images from thousands of Kilometres were near impossible but with much more reading and openness i realized it was possible and did infact happen. That's fact trumping opinions.

Explain to me in 10 lines how the Van Allen belt was passed through..

If there are no satellites out there , i really don't need to push you too far. Turn on your phone, go to google maps and view traffic. Or the popular iCloud on iphones? All those use satellite based technoliges.

1.We have a satellite out there? and we still have NO SINGLE image of the earth from space(dnt bother sending me CGI)
2. Internet? lol.. These radio signals do not need to necessarily come from out space. Radio waves are propagated from ground based transmitters all the time.

Those things use GPS sensors to know the traffic situation. Your weather report, even your cell phones use satellites.

So, how do you explain GPS dead spots? I am not talking about being in a building, I mean being out on the road in the open and occasionally encountering locations in which you can not pick up any "satellites".

Wonder why DSTV goes bad when there are clouds? Or you hear cloud computing or streaming?

I hear that satellite TV and internet service goes to shit when the weather is bad. Is this not consistent with ionospheric bouncing of radio signals?

Also , differences in the way a shadow is reflected is enough evidence that the earth is not flat. If the earth were to be flat. The angle of elevation for all items would be the same and the shadows they cast all day would be the same height.

same with flat earth!

As a muslim, guess you forgot how Zuhr, Asri and Mahgrib prayers are determined by how shadows are casted?

shadows are casted in FE model

I would implore you to read actual scientific sources and stop wallowing in abject ignorance. I feel like planking your head from here. Earth is flat ke? Ignorance comes in bales indeed.

Who gave you a smart phone its exposing your s****y in public

hfeetham0:
you resort to abusive word.? bye!

Not really.

It's just that your claims sound ridiculous!

hfeetham0:
true. if you go into the FE theory, it makes lot more sense, though might not be perfect, but it will be the closest to the truth...
A spherical earth is just a lie that have been installed in us...

Actually, I feel you don't get my point........I asked what if its the sun that orbits the earth, would you still doubt the "roundness" of the earth?

Subhanallaah brothers, let's be civil, no need for foul words here.....

MrOlai:


Not really.

It's just that your claims sounds ridiculous!

have you studied the FE model? plus do you know all the proof of earth sphericity has been debunked?

AbdelKabir:


Actually, I feel you don't get my point........I asked what if its the sun that orbits the earth, would you still doubt the "roundness" of the earth?

Yea.. based on concrete evidences..

onegig:


Abi. The guy or lady wakes up every morning and sees the moon and the sun. Do those two look flat to anyone?

At least if you believe satellites don't exist and all you see on tv is fake. I guess the moon and sun you see with your Koro koro eye is drawn by someone and placed in the sky to make people believe things are spherical abi?

If you can't believe what your eyes see then i doubt anyone would be able to convince such person of their folly.

Masha Allah! @bolded.

The lady is very funny!

She behaves like Baba Suwe or Pappy Luwe or Osuofia in London of Hollywood!

onegig:


Abi. The guy or lady wakes up every morning and sees the moon and the sun. Do those two look flat to anyone?

At least if you believe satellites don't exist and all you see on tv is fake. I guess the moon and sun you see with your Koro koro eye is drawn by someone and placed in the sky to make people believe things are spherical abi?

If you can't believe what your eyes see then i doubt anyone would be able to convince such person of their folly.

if the earth is spherical according to ISS, NASA... they said there is a curvature on earth every 8inches per mile (squared)...from this they derived that a ship sailing on a sea will disappear from the Horizon after going down series of curvature... but do you know you can see the ship until it gets to the other deck using a telescope? curvature la exists?

MrOlai:


Masha Allah! @bolded.

The lady is very funny!

She behaves like Baba Suwe or Pappy Luwe or Osuofia in London of Hollywood!

you still have no point, you just sounding absurd..

Abdulkabir THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE CONCESUS OF SCHOLARS IN ISLAM. . ITS NEVER A PROOF. . THERE ARE SO MANY PROOFS IN QURAN THAT EARTH IS FLAT. QURAN 2:22

hfeetham0:

Explain to me in 10 lines how the Van Allen belt was passed through..

1.We have a satellite out there? and we still have NO SINGLE image of the earth from space(dnt bother sending me CGI)
2. Internet? lol.. These radio signals do not need to necessarily come from out space. Radio waves are propagated from ground based transmitters all the time.

So, how do you explain GPS dead spots? I am not talking about being in a building, I mean being out on the road in the open and occasionally encountering locations in which you can not pick up any "satellites".


I hear that satellite TV and internet service goes to shit when the weather is bad. Is this not consistent with ionospheric bouncing of radio signals?

same with flat earth!

shadows are casted in FE model

Who gave you a smart phone its exposing your stupidity in public

There's no need convincing people of their illicit beliefs. If the gargantuan of info out there cannot cure you of your ignorance, i doubt a discussion on an open forum would. There are still people out there who believe killing another person gives them a right passage to am illusory heaven, so yours is not even that bad.

There are a million nuerons in the body and one of them can actually go haywire and distort things for people. So i would just emphatize with you. Wish you luck bro/sis.



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Like seriously. . You are so stupid walahi. I would really plank your head if i see you truly. I actually didn't see you quote Van Allen radiation belts.

And how did Van Allen discover radiation? Aint it through Explorer 1 which in essence is a satelite. Same satelites you said doesn't exist? You should be flogged.

You see what half baked education does to people. They lose their thought processes and lose the ability to reason well and sadly that's the reality of the world we live in.

And as for the Dumbledrum quoting Quran 2:22 . Get a ball , suspend it in air with a string. Put small ants on it an allow them roam. What does the outer space at the top and bottom of the ball look like? Skies? And what about the body of the ball? Beds.

When the ayah stated canopy and beds. It was referring to exactly the same and doesn't justify flat earth. Stupid people would be the death of this nation indeed.

This would be my last response to you. You would do well to go back and return the fees paid on your education. Seems it's a waste of jusicious use of resources.

This video clip might help for the basis


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJfS5bvb6Yk?list=LL3FKF-DgbR3hcW31vmp1edw

onegig:


There's no need convincing people of their illicit beliefs. If the gargantuan of info out there cannot cure you of your ignorance, i doubt a discussion on an open forum would. There are still people out there who believe killing another person gives them a right passage to am illusory heaven, so yours is not even that bad.

There are a million nuerons in the body and one of them can actually go haywire and distort things for people. So i would just emphatize with you. Wish you luck bro/sis.

still no point? i could have gone sore if you have either brought a solid evidence or ayat that specifies directly or indirectly that the earth is not flat and it is spherical..

MrOlai check suratul yasin on how sun orbits moon and its also explained in some other verses

MrOlai onegig....

answer this:

If I am going to dig down through the earth from Nigeria now. I have my legs on the ground right? by the time I dig out of the other side, what will I bring out first... Head or Legs?

AhluSunnah:
Abdulkabir THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NOTHING LIKE CONCESUS OF SCHOLARS IN ISLAM. . ITS NEVER A PROOF. . THERE ARE SO MANY PROOFS IN QURAN THAT EARTH IS FLAT. QURAN 2:22

Finally!, someone who understands the Quran.. these ones above have been overfed with western lies...

AhluSunnah:
MrOlai check suratul yasin on how sun orbits moon and its also explained in some other verses

Yea yaasin 37-40

OK, I leave this thread, seems you've not been reading the links I've been posting.....one of them tackle the issue of "proofs" from Qur'an suggesting "flat earth"....

Well you can carry out the same test Eratosthenes carried out around 285BC......you need a tropical region and one that is not, luckily our Nigeria is a tropical region, and Cameroon is not, damboa, borno is on same meridian as Cameroon and this http://www.drikpanchang.com/seasons/season-summer-solstice-timings.html?year=2018 tells us that summer solstice in damboa will 20th(or 21st) June next year, so when the sun is about 90°(12noon) in Cameroon June 21st(or 20st) put a rod to the ground and see if a shadow will be casted, call someone in damboa and ask if a shadow is casted, then you can know if the earth is flat or not....

AbdelKabir:
OK, I leave this thread, seems you've not been reading the links I've been posting.....one of them tackle the issue of "proofs" from Qur'an suggesting "flat earth"....

i went through them, but i already talked about it... All the references in the Quran talked about flat, bed, expand and none specifically or indirectly stated any sort of roundness... or is that not what you were referring to?

hfeetham0:
i went through them, but i already talked about it... All the references in the Quran talked about flat, bed, expand and none specifically or indirectly stated any sort of roundness... or is that not what you were referring to?

Have you gone through this?:

MrOlai:


The earth can be considered flat or a globe. Both are correct depending on the relativistic frame of reference.

To every living things on the surface of the Earth, humans, animals and plants, the Earth is flat relative to us. It would sound absurd to consider the Earth a globe relative to us. This is because the presence of gravity keeps us attached to relatively flat land. With the gravity and the expanse/gigantic size of the Earth, we would never see the Earth as a globe. All we see at all times is a flat land. Astagfirllah, even if Allah(SWT) or the Prophet(SAW) addresses us with a flat "Earth", it doesn't mean Allah(SWT) or the Prophet (SAW) meant the Earth is flat in its entirety. Such an address is relative. It is relative to us as human beings.

However, on a regional scale or at the cosmos level, the Earth is indeed, a globe. It is approximately spherical. There are many very clear proofs or evidence that show that.

In Civil Engineering for instance, during construction, there is Plane Surveying as well as Geodetic Surveying.

Plane Surveying considers Earth flat while Geodetic Surveying considers the Earth as a globe. Plane Surveying is used when the area of the construction is small e.g. in construction of building in a place. However, Geodetic Surveying is used when the construction is on a regional scale e.g. construction of a structure of about 500 km length.

The diagram below shows you and I standing on the Earth:

MrOlai:

Have you gone through this?:

Surat Yaseen 37-40 states the Sun and the Moon move... which doesn't fit a globe but fits into a flat earth perfectly, moreover all the references in the Quran, none of them pointed to roundness.. I understand what you mean by the shape of the earth by what we see. but SCIENTIFICALLY we have a flat earth..
Now look at the image you posted yourself
If I am going to dig down through the earth from Nigeria now. I have my legs on the ground right? by the time I dig out of the other side, what will I bring out first... Head or Legs?

hfeetham0:
i went through them, but i already talked about it... All the references in the Quran talked about flat, bed, expand and none specifically or indirectly stated any sort of roundness... or is that not what you were referring to?

Read this https://islamqa.info/en/211655 again with respect to what "ahlusunna" said on "flatness" from the Qur'an....

Ask ahlusunnah that don't regard scholars of Islam to mention one single scholar that differed on that consensus....

hfeetham0:
Surat Yaseen 37-40 states the Sun and the Moon move... which doesn't fit a globe but fits into a flat earth perfectly, moreover all the references in the Quran, none of them pointed to roundness.. I understand what you mean by the shape of the earth by what we see. but SCIENTIFICALLY we have a flat earth..
Now look at the image you posted yourself
If I am going to dig down through the earth from Nigeria now. I have my legs on the ground right? by the time I dig out of the other side, what will I bring out first... Head or Legs?

OK, if earth is flat what will happen when you dig?

AbdelKabir:


Read this https://islamqa.info/en/211655 again with respect to what "ahlusunna" said on "flatness" from the Qur'an....

Ask ahlusunnah that don't regard scholars of Islam to mention one single scholar that differed on that consensus....

ISLAM IS CLEAR.QURAN IS CLEAR THAT EARTH IS FLAT.AND IJMAH OF SCHOLARS IS ABSOLUTELY NO PROOF IN ISLAM, ONLY IJMAH SAHABAH IS. . .Make i go check d proof the scholars bring to say earth is n0t flat. . .brb

AbdelKabir:


Read this https://islamqa.info/en/211655 again with respect to what "ahlusunna" said on "flatness" from the Qur'an....

Ask ahlusunnah that don't regard scholars of Islam to mention one single scholar that differed on that consensus....

Av read it and there is no single proof from quran or hadith to proof earth is round. u dont just accept whatever our scholar say. .u check their delil. .if it corresponds . .d scholars said we must never follow their fatwa if they didnt back it up with kitab wa sunnah . . .when did spread out turn to round? when did bed turn to round? huh?gd rap0