Revolva:


your name probz shows you got a problem bro.....wetin concern you if i put dot....oga pls relax jare

I don relax.

Probz:
I don't speak or sabi Yoruba beyond the obvious pidgin loanwords so I'm counting on you guys to enlighten me. What is it if not Akoko?

I will send a link of akoko to you shortly

Akoko ikare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzdeCjmbPs0

aljharem:


I will send a link of akoko to you shortly

Akoko ikare


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzdeCjmbPs0

And what exactly was the other one if not Akoko?

Probz:
And what exactly was the other one if not Akoko?

That was the central Yoruba aka oyo

20CRATES:


Akoko Ondo are Yoruba, although there were a few villages there that were speakers of edoid dialects but who have since converted, or are currently in the process of doing so.

Akoko Edo is where things get reaally interesting.
It is made up of:
* Etunos (who live in Igarra the LGA HQ). The Etunos are basically Egbiras who just go by a different name to be fancy because they are not in "North" like Egbira Okene people lol.
* Okpameris, The biggest group
* Yorubas
* Unemes (Believed to be migratory blacksmiths) - some of them claim origin to as far away as awka.
* Ososo
* Sasaru - Enwan
Etc.

In short, a tower of Babel , linguistically speaking. In Akoko Edo, you can encounter 5 languages within a 1km radius, or even different sections of the same village speaking different languages.
During the times of the Western Nigeria internecine wars, they were one of the badly affected groups. They suffered some heavy Ibadan raiding, this was a period of high mobility, many Yorubas settled there and began to influence them, lifestyles and linguistically. A lot of them picked up the names of Yoruba war generals, notable people etc.

Then the Nupe Jihadists came along raiding and pillaging, and also left their legacy, especially in the aspects of traditional titles and rulership (although now, the nupe influence has almost vanished), you can still see hints of it in some last names lake Dawudu, Bakare, etc.

Starting from early colonial times, there was an additional influx of early Yoruba christian missionaries, Clerks, office/Government workers, etc into the area, they became influenced even more. The ones that retained their differences earlier all converted to Yoruba names.
They all began to speak Yoruba language - which was honestly more of a plus to them naturally speaking, because of the regions extremely high linguistic diversity, Yoruba made it easier for them to relate within themselves and with their Yoruba neighbors.

Then, many migrated to major Yoruba urban centres and returned home with even more dynamics, influencing what was on ground in the villages even more.

That was how they became a more or less Yoruba people, although with ancestral very very old edoid roots. Roots that are honestly not even connected with Benin. But the original edoid stock of people.

And what's this about Ora people? Are they Akoko Edo too?

20CRATES:


* Akoko dialects - Oh my gosh!
* Ede Ife (Togolese) - Damn
* Idaasha - (one of the Beninois Yoruba dialects) - Jesu!
* Ilaje
* Owo, Ikale and Ondo tying 5th 3rdd in the Nigerian context.
* Owe (Kabba), Ijumu and Oworo tying 6th.
* Ekiti
* Ijebu

Yup.

That's interesting too. Us outsiders with only an average understanding of these things usually rank Ijebu and Ekiti at the top (based on what we've heard). I know Akoko's on another level.

Probz:


And what's this about Ora people? Are they Akoko Edo too?

Ora is not Akoko Edo, although they share a border, and are both in the Edo north Zone.
They also have Yoruba names and other mannerisms but to a lesser degree than the Akoko Edos.

20CRATES:


Ora is not Akoko Edo, although they share a border, and are both in the Edo north Zone.
They also have Yoruba names and other mannerisms but to a lesser degree than the Akoko Edos.

Yeah. I know an Obadan from Ora. I obviously assumed he was Yoruba until I found out he's from Edo. I'm guessing most Ora people are bilingual in that and Yoruba.

Probz:
Yeah. I know an Obadan from Ora. I obviously assumed he was Yoruba until I found out he's from Edo. I'm guessing most Ora people are bilingual in that and Yoruba.

They are many like that

Olubunmi Okojie (Esan)
Tunde Akogun (Rtd) - a former member of the House of Representatives (Akoko Edo)

Olusegun Toyin Aganga (Immediate past minister for Industry Trade and Investment)
Shola Omole-(The immediate past Director General of NTA)
Modupe Ozolua
Joseph Adeola- (former Commissioner of Police of the defunct Bendel State)
Dele Giwa - (some people make fun of Yorubas saying Fulanis killed their Journalist) not knowing he is actually Edo
Ayo Unuigue- (former MD of FERMA (Federal Road Maintenance Agency)
Gray Alonge - (former Secretary and Head of Service to the Federation of Nigeria)
Honorable Agbolagba - (Owan West House of Rep Honorable)
Ohi Alegbe - (group General Manager, Public Affairs, NNPC)
Ade Ojeikere - (group sports Editor of The Nation Newspaper)
Modupe Ayeni - (first President of Nigeria Union of Journalists)
Ojo Asein - (member Edo State House of Assembly and Chairman, Owan West Local Government)
Tunde Ebhozogie - (general Manager, Edo Broadcasting Service)
Bankole Balogun - (former General Manager of the defunct Bendel Broadcasting Service) (BBS)


All from the above people are ORA/OWANS.

In the Present: (2017)
Christopher Adesotu, Ovia South West Commissioner
Yinka Omorogbe - Oredo LG Commissioner

Of thee newly appointed Special assistant appointees of Obaseki in this present regime
We Have the following people.

Akoko Edo:
Sannni Collins Ojo
Peter Alao
John Olorunda Taiye
Kayode Agbi
Iyabo otugbai Elizabeth
Adeyanju Noah Sunday
Adebudo Christopher

Ovia South West:
Rasaq Rotimi
Jide Victor

Owan East:
Tunde Afekhuai Pius
Ogedengbe Victor

Owan West:
Ojo Godsgift
Adeayo Thomas

Esan Central
Folorunsho Chris Omon

All appointees under Obaseki.

So you see how entrenched the phenomena actually is.

Concerning your question, yes they are bilingual. More so in towns and villages like Otuo, Sobe, Ikhin, Uzebba, Okpuje, Orue.

As an Ora native said himself, and I Quote:

20CRATES:


Akoko Ondo are Yoruba, although there were a few villages there that were speakers of edoid dialects but who have since converted, or are currently in the process of doing so.

Akoko Edo is where things get reaally interesting.
It is made up of:
* Etunos (who live in Igarra the LGA HQ). The Etunos are basically Egbiras who just go by a different name to be fancy because they are not in "North" like Egbira Okene people lol.
* Okpameris, The biggest group
* Yorubas
* Unemes (Believed to be migratory blacksmiths) - some of them claim origin to as far away as awka.
* Ososo
* Sasaru - Enwan
Etc.

In short, a tower of Babel , linguistically speaking. In Akoko Edo, you can encounter 5 languages within a 1km radius, or even different sections of the same village speaking different languages.
During the times of the Western Nigeria internecine wars, they were one of the badly affected groups. They suffered some heavy Ibadan raiding, this was a period of high mobility, many Yorubas settled there and began to influence them, lifestyles and linguistically. A lot of them picked up the names of Yoruba war generals, notable people etc.

Then the Nupe Jihadists came along raiding and pillaging, and also left their legacy, especially in the aspects of traditional titles and rulership (although now, the nupe influence has almost vanished), you can still see hints of it in some last names lake Dawudu, Bakare, etc.

Starting from early colonial times, there was an additional influx of early Yoruba christian missionaries, Clerks, office/Government workers, etc into the area, they became influenced even more. The ones that retained their differences earlier all converted to Yoruba names.
They all began to speak Yoruba language - which was honestly more of a plus to them naturally speaking, because of the regions extremely high linguistic diversity, Yoruba made it easier for them to relate within themselves and with their Yoruba neighbors.

Then, many migrated to major Yoruba urban centres and returned home with even more dynamics, influencing what was on ground in the villages even more.

That was how they became a more or less Yoruba people, although with ancestral very very old edoid roots. Roots that are honestly not even connected with Benin. But the original edoid stock of people.

Exactly, the deep origin of the akoko people go back to a proto-edo people who had just split from the proto-yoruba and proto-igbos. Many akoko languages hold words close to Igbo, when igbos never had a significant contact with them

As igala split from the yoruba so did akoko split from the Edo. It is really recently(starting from the late pre-colonial era) that the "yoruba" tag gradually became adopted especially by those in Ondo state as more and more yoruba culture and language influences them
Its funny how a yoruba people like the itsekiri do not adopt the "yoruba" tag

macof:



Exactly, the deep origin of the akoko people go back to a proto-edo people who had just split from the proto-yoruba and proto-igbos. Many akoko languages hold words close to Igbo, when igbos never had a significant contact with them

As igala split from the yoruba so did akoko split from the Edo. It is really recently(starting from the late pre-colonial era) that the "yoruba" tag gradually became adopted especially by those in Ondo state as more and more yoruba culture and language influences them
Its funny how a yoruba people like the itsekiri do not adopt the "yoruba" tag

Itsekiri people aren't Yoruba.

Probz:

Itsekiri people aren't Yoruba.

But are part of opc oodua people's congress. So what makes one Yoruba

aljharem:


But are part of opc oodua people's congress. So what makes one Yoruba

Oduduwa and Ile-Ife descent. Or do Itsekiri people claim both, hm?

Probz:


Oduduwa and Ile-Ife descent. Or do Itsekiri people claim both, hm?

Some claim ijebu and ijebu don't claim oodua Ile ife

Probz:

Itsekiri people aren't Yoruba.

Having an ijebu and ilaje origin, speaking a dialect of the yoruba language makes them so

All this seclusion is political. If they were part of the SW it wouldn't be the case
Not like that's a good excuse because even the Okun are catching up and reclaiming their yoruba identity

macof:
Having an ijebu and ilaje origin, speaking a dialect of the yoruba language makes them so

All this seclusion is political. If they were part of the SW it wouldn't be the case
Not like that's a good excuse because even the Okun are catching up and reclaiming their yoruba identity

Yoruba identity's always been more rooted in culture than language though. Itsekiri people aren't culturally Yoruba

macof:



Exactly, the deep origin of the akoko people go back to a proto-edo people who had just split from the proto-yoruba and proto-igbos. Many akoko languages hold words close to Igbo, when igbos never had a significant contact with them

As igala split from the yoruba so did akoko split from the Edo. It is really recently(starting from the late pre-colonial era) that the "yoruba" tag gradually became adopted especially by those in Ondo state as more and more yoruba culture and language influences them
Its funny how a yoruba people like the itsekiri do not adopt the "yoruba" tag

Yes you are right. The Ayere and Ahaan languages are 2 of such independent proto languages spoken in Akoko Ondo. They are not Edoid or Igboid or Yoruboid, they are independent although they are very close to Yoruba and they share significant vocabularies with Yoruba pointing to archaic origins. They give a clue as to what came before the Yoruba language as we know it today. The Ayere and Ahaan communities claim origin to Ile-Ife. This is the same exactly scenario of Arigidi people in Northern parts of Akoko who are proud Yoruba who speak an archaic language closely related to Yoruba but not exactly a dialect of Yoruba. They used to be classify with Yoruboid languages as Defoid(Ede-Ife-oid) branch until recently when linguists regarded Arigidi as an independent branch of it's own although, it still shares a considerable amount of cognates with Yoruba.

Probz:
Yoruba identity's always been more rooted in culture than language though. Itsekiri people aren't culturally Yoruba

Yes, speaking the same way is not what ties Yoruba together, it's point of origin. Directly or indirectly, all Yorubas point their origin to Ile-Ife.

Are you suggesting that their culture is more Bini than Yoruba? Can you give me some examples? I'll argue that the core of their culture is similar to Yorubas. It's perfectly fine if Itsekiri don't claim Yoruba, identity is subject to change after all. I'm just trying to separate facts from the current myths often repeated on NL

Probz:
Yoruba identity's always been more rooted in culture than language though. Itsekiri people aren't culturally Yoruba

In what way are Itsekiri not culturally yoruba? Even Edo culture that people like to say Itsekiri share is a culture yoruba can relate with. A foreigners first glance will see no difference between Yoruba and Edo culturally

Talkless of Itsekiri that are a yoruboid people... what about the ilaje? What about Owo? They aren't yoruba too

9jakool:

Yes, speaking the same way is not what ties Yoruba together, it's point of origin. Directly or indirectly, all Yorubas point their origin to Ile-Ife.

Are you suggesting that their culture is more Bini than Yoruba? Can you give me some examples? I'll argue that the core of their culture is similar to Yorubas. It's perfectly fine if Itsekiri don't claim Yoruba, identity is subject to change after all. I'm just trying to separate facts from the current myths often repeated on NL

Ile-Ife and Oduduwa, yeah. Can Itsekiri people claim descent from both?

Go ahead and argue that the core of iJekri's culture's Yoruba. It's entirely possible I'm not aware of these cultural things being an outsider.

Probz:


Ile-Ife and Oduduwa, yeah. Can Itsekiri people claim descent from both?

Go ahead and argue that the core of iJekri's
Yoruba. It's entirely possible I'm not aware of these cultural things being an outsider.

No, unless you are descendant of Oduduwa, you don't claim such, it's more in a figurative general sense. Most Yoruba's royal lineage traces back to Oduduwa. All Yoruba weather of royal blood or not trace their origin to Ile-Ife directly or indirectly.

Also, let's get out of the way first, I'm not in any way claiming that Itsekiris are Yoruba. People are free to choose what they believe in. I simply want to know if you are suggesting that they are culturally Edoid and linguistically Yoruboid like most people like to generalize. This is where you and I will disagree.

9jakool:

No, unless you are descendant of Oduduwa, you don't claim such, it's more in a figurative general sense. Most Yoruba's royal lineage traces back to Oduduwa. All Yoruba weather of royal blood or not trace their origin to Ile-Ife directly or indirectly.

Also, let's get out of the way first, I'm not in any way claiming that Itsekiris are Yoruba. People are free to choose what they believe in. I simply want to know if you are suggesting that they are culturally Edoid and linguistically Yoruboid like most people like to generalize. This is where you and I will disagree.

A mix of Edo and Niger Delta, yeah. That's what I'm suggesting. Feel free to put me right.

macof:


In what way are Itsekiri not culturally yoruba? Even Edo culture that people like to say Itsekiri share is a culture yoruba can relate with. A foreigners first glance will see no difference between Yoruba and Edo culturally

Talkless of Itsekiri that are a yoruboid people... what about the ilaje? What about Owo? They aren't yoruba too

You this boy. Keep walking.

Probz:


A mix of Edo and Niger Delta, yeah. That's what I'm suggesting. Feel free to put me right.

The core of Itsekiri's culture is Yoruba/Yoruboid. If you look at their cultural practices, they bear a close resemblance to Yoruba cultural practices. Itsekiri's core culture contains proto-Yoruba element.
For example, there are a lot of similarities in terms of religion. Itsekiri's traditional religion is known as ebora tsitse, which is shared with Yoruba. There is a large plethora of deities with Yoruba, even more so with Yorubas of Ondo area. Itsekiris also have ifa, which they called ife. There are 256 odu ifa(literary corpus) found in both Yoruba and Itsekiri. Cultural festivals Umale festival for example can only be found among Itsekiri and parts of Ondo state(Ilaje, Ikale area etc). Umale has no Edo origins nor is it observed by them. Yoruba and Itsekiri's masquerades are known as egungun and the masquerade traditions are also similar. The social structures of Itsekiri is also similar to Yoruba's.

I've seen most people who say Itsekiri's culture is closer to Edo reference the clothing style. Funny thing is, wrapper style is also native to Yorubas. Sure, many don't prefer the wrapper style, but it's still heavily present among many Yoruba subgroups. In fact, the common george's wraper/blouse worn by Itsekiri has no real connection with Edo. If we all know our history, the Itsekiris were one of the first people who first made contact with the Europeans and benefited from early trade. They adopted the George's wrapper/blouse before the Edos as they were right on the coast and were at the forefront of coastal trading before reaching Edo. The george's clothing actually has its origins in India and they were introduced to the Itsekiris by the Europeans who had already set up colonies in Asia. In fact the shirt in Itsekiri is known as kemije which is derived from the Portuguese "camisa."

Now, that that's out of the way, we can talk about food. Here is where you don't see much similarities with Yoruba. The Itsekiri's cuisine is more similar to that of the cuisine of the Delta/Edo area.

Probz:


You this boy. Keep walking.

good. Next time don't speak on yoruba matters that you know nothing about

Olowo Gbogboro Itsekiri version.



Wondering what Igala version would look like.

Probz:


You this boy. Keep walking.

Why not learn rather that arguing blindly. You make statements that are nonsensical and when corrected, you throw tantrums. You really need to grow up

scholes0:
Olowo Gbogboro Itsekiri version.



Wondering what Igala version would look like.

Oritse literal meaning in yoruba is "the creator"

aljharem:


Why not learn rather that arguing blindly. You make statements that are nonsensical and when corrected, you throw tantrums. You really need to grow up

Next time don't open your mouth on Igbo matters you know nothing about. You of all people shouldn't be telling someone else that they're talking nonsense.

9jakool:

The core of Itsekiri's culture is Yoruba/Yoruboid. If you look at their cultural practices, they bear a close resemblance to Yoruba cultural practices. Itsekiri's core culture contains proto-Yoruba element.
For example, there are a lot of similarities in terms of religion. Itsekiri's traditional religion is known as ebora tsitse, which is shared with Yoruba. There is a large plethora of deities with Yoruba, even more so with Yorubas of Ondo area. Itsekiris also have ifa, which they called ife. There are 256 odu ifa(literary corpus) found in both Yoruba and Itsekiri. Cultural festivals Umale festival for example can only be found among Itsekiri and parts of Ondo state(Ilaje, Ikale area etc). Umale has no Edo origins nor is it observed by them. Yoruba and Itsekiri's masquerades are known as egungun and the masquerade traditions are also similar. The social structures of Itsekiri is also similar to Yoruba's.

I've seen most people who say Itsekiri's culture is closer to Edo reference the clothing style. Funny thing is, wrapper style is also native to Yorubas. Sure, many don't prefer the wrapper style, but it's still heavily present among many Yoruba subgroups. In fact, the common george's wraper/blouse worn by Itsekiri has no real connection with Edo. If we all know our history, the Itsekiris were one of the first people who first made contact with the Europeans and benefited from early trade. They adopted the George's wrapper/blouse before the Edos as they were right on the coast and were at the forefront of coastal trading before reaching Edo. The george's clothing actually has its origins in India and they were introduced to the Itsekiris by the Europeans who had already set up colonies in Asia. In fact the shirt in Itsekiri is known as kemije which is derived from the Portuguese "camisa."

Now, that that's out of the way, we can talk about food. Here is where you don't see much similarities with Yoruba. The Itsekiri's cuisine is more similar to that of the cuisine of the Delta/Edo area.

I've only got a half-decent understanding of Urhobo-Isoko cuisine (aka usi and banga, egusi pepper soup). What's Itsekiri cuisine like actually? Or is it the same as standard Deltan/Urhobo food?

Probz:


I've only got a half-decent understanding of Urhobo-Isoko cuisine (aka usi and banga, egusi pepper soup). What's Itsekiri cuisine like actually? Or is it the same as standard Deltan/Urhobo food?

Itsekiri eat starch, banga, egusi, egun bobo(starch and plantain), igbagba ofofo (seafood okro peppersoup). They also have their own unique dishes like igbgba(yam/plantain peppersoup), obe eyen(Yoruba equivalence is obe eyin/obe eyen, which litterally translate to palm fruit soup; similar to banga soup), epuru, etc.

9jakool:

Itsekiri eat starch, banga, egusi, egun bobo(starch and plantain), igbagba ofofo (seafood okro peppersoup). They also have their own unique dishes like igbgba(yam/plantain peppersoup), obe eyen(Yoruba equivalence is obe eyin/obe eyen, which litterally translate to palm fruit soup; similar to banga soup), epuru, etc.

Most tribes in the south have their own take on banga anyway. I know obe eyin.

And listen, just out of of interest, how do you guys cook your banga soup and what do you eat it with?