Has this question ever bothered you?

why is it that the average Christian likes you more when you were a Muslim than when you became an atheist/irreligious?

why is it that the average Muslim likes you more when you were a Christian than when you told them/they discovered you're an atheist?

why is it that the average Pagan likes you more when you were a Christian/Muslim than when you told them/they discovered you're an atheist?

this is one of the biggest head scratching things you'll notice when your atheism is discovered/you come out of the "closet"

let's try to put this thing in logical form, let's say there's this lady neighbour of yours you really like but she's already with this other guy and they seem happy together so you don't bother trying to act on your feelings cuz you feel she won't leave her boyfriend for you (which is sensible)
for some weeks you then notice the guy is not visiting her, you're not a stalker but perhaps you noticed there's a particular time he comes to visit her and his car makes a distinct sound when zooming in and parking, you haven't heard that sound for some weeks so you see the girl jogging and decided to join her, both of you jog for a while and decided to take a short rest before resuming, so you ask after some small talks, "BTW, did George travel? I haven't seen him around for a while" she then says "We broke up"

logically speaking, you'll see this as an opportunity to make her yours now that she's free, you now act on that feeling (with sense, of course) and try to make her yours, your "dream" has a better chance of coming true now more than ever

let's use another analogy, Neymar is arguably the hottest property in world football at the moment cuz he's in the midst of transfer tussle

Neymar has a release clause of €220M, and PSG are apparently ready to pay that, let's say by some chance Neymar frees himself from Barcelona's (his present club) contract and becomes free, shouldn't PSG be even happier to get him now that they don't even need to pay €220M? of course they would cuz a free Neymar is as good as €220M Neymar



why then is it that when it comes to religion in which Christians are supposed to show more love to an ex Muslim who's an atheist, they seem to be more hostile? isn't the Muslim going to hell? isn't this time that he/she is an atheist the best time to draw him closer and attempt to make him see your religion as the true one?

why are Muslims usually more hostile towards ex Christians who are now atheists than they do Christians?

why is it that a Muslim doesn't care if her child has Christian friends and vice versa but would do anything to prevent an atheist from getting close to their child?

why is it that a Christian would rather hire a Muslim than an atheist for a job?

why is it that a Christian would rather help a Muslim in time of need than an atheist?

why is it that a pagan would rather help a Muslim and a Christian than an atheist?

about the "hiring" part, I used to think that maybe they feel an atheist might steal from them without remorse or may even kill them since he doesn't believe in any god but I later realised it doesn't make sense! if a Christian can hire a Muslim knowing that such a Muslim can get a hair up his Arse one day and decide to blow up the establishment of "infidels" to the glory of Allah, how then is such a Muslim different from an atheist? of course no, that doesn't stop him hiring a Muslim, all the bombings he hears of on TV hasn't stopped him, all the Boko Haram killings hasn't stopped him, all the Islamic terrorism he hears of hasn't stopped him, all the beheading he sees circulating hasn't stopped him, he hires the Muslim anyways but the atheist should look elsewhere for jobs

Try to take a babysitting job and tell the Christian parents you're an atheist and they would most likely freak out and hire someone else, tell the Christian parents you're a Muslim and they would most likely give you the job anyways even though there's a chance they'll return and see their "infidel" home in flames, they take the chance anyways


I've always asked myself this question and it always confuses me as there seems to be no logical answer to it, until I reread "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen few days back and the connection was telling

for those who haven't read the story, I'll tell an abridged version of it

a long time ago, a vain emperor who cares about nothing except wearing and displaying clothes hires two weavers who promise him the finest, best suit of clothes from a fabric invisible to anyone who is either unfit for his position or "hopelessly stupid". The emperor's ministers cannot see the clothes themselves, but pretend that they can for fear of appearing unfit for their positions, and the emperor does the same. Finally, the weavers report that the suit is finished, they mime dressing him, and the emperor marches in procession before his subjects. The townsfolk play along with the pretense, not wanting to appear unfit for their positions or stupid.


I'll pause the story right there,

notice that in this hypothetical scenario, the townsfolk would agree that the emperor isn't naked but that's where all the agreement ends

they can never agree on:

what colour the clothe is

what material the cloth is made of

if the cloth has patterned colour or its just plain

which design was sown

whether the cloth long sleeved or short sleeved

whether the trouser is long or short

whether the cloth is tight or loose fitting

and many other questions concerning this "cloth" in question

If Mr Appleby says "he's wearing green silk" and someone else says "no, it's pink taffeta" and another screams "No! its purple Aposhe" that is merely annoying. I mean, they can argue forever without damaging the illusion.

try to imagine after not having a consensus on the cloth they decide to ask Epositive the properties of the said cloth and he goes "I honestly didn't see any cloth on the emperor, I'm not sure but it looks to me like the emperor was actually naked or maybe my eyes were deceiving me but I saw his junk and his potbelly and no! I'm not hopelessly stupid or unworthy"

try to imagine the reaction of those he's talking to, he has threatened the entire illusion and is not afraid to be called hopelessly stupid and unworthy cuz he knows what he saw, they'll shout him down and might even be ready to harm or kill him for daring to insult their dear emperor


that's why Christians are comfortable having Muslims as best friends and vice versa but would try to avoid atheists as much as possible, they can even marry in an interreligious fashion; at least with a Muslim friend you can both argue which one is the true word of god between Koran and Bible, with other religions they can argue about whose rules are correct, which reinforces that the game is worth playing, while atheists by their existence imply the... game... is.... meaningless

Religion wears many veils. Atheists see through all of them and see nothing real behind them. It drives the religious bananas, more than a challenge from a different religion ever will. There is no common ground.

This is the reason there's less love shown to an atheist than a competing religion, atheists are threatening the illusion

everyday you spend being alive is an insult to them as they believe they owe their survival to their imaginary friend (whichever version they have or whichever cloth they're claiming the emperor is wearing) while you simply wake up everyday without giving thanks to any entity (Emperor is naked!)

every little success you have in your endeavour is a massive blow to them, you're achieving these things without what they deem most essential, god, you're therefore not only claiming the emperor is naked, you're "proving" it!

a Christian prays to Yahweh for journey mercies, a Muslim prays to Allah for the same while you...simply go and come back with no prayer? you're telling them the emperor is naked

every property you acquire is an insult to them and their god cuz you're acquiring these things without any god, they "struggled and prayed" a lot before they achieved it but here you are achieving it without the "prayer" part which they deem to be the most important

everyday you spend not battling an illness makes them feel kinda sick cuz you're threatening the illusion that their god is responsible for that good health

every good thing that happens to you becomes a bad thing to them cuz they believe any good thing can only come from their god or at least a god and when those good things happen, you're proving to them that the emperor is naked

that explains why they would deny you that job and pass it on to a rival/competing religion instead, why they'd rather demote you or even fire you, why they'll rather watch you suffer in life cuz every health problem, every financial problem, every relationship problem you are going through, every huge challenge you face and its weighing on you is a sign to them that their god is somehow real; they're doing this to maintain the illusion that a god needs to be responsible

They don't care what you call the cloth emperor is wearing, you might call it gown, even call it skirt and blouse, maybe call it a wedding dress or crop top; just don't say the emperor is naked

Wait,

Nice!!!! Did you compose this yourself Lovely description!!!

AnonyNymous:
Nice!!!! Did you compose this yourself Lovely description!!!

yes I did, except the summary of "emperor's new cloth" which I got from Wikipedia

hopefulLandlord:


yes I did, except the summary of "emperor's new cloth" which I got from Wikipedia

Very apt comparison. Nice one bro.

Shelloween:
Wait,

wait for what?

Klasna. Bravo.
A refreshingly new write up in this section for a change.
I agree with your position 100%

Simple. Delusion(like misery) loves company

A chick i was asking out once told me she would prefer to date and marry a muslim than she would me...and she claimed to be liberal and tolerant of my disbelief...

If you want acceptance, go to God. Not all of this quest for acceptance from people.

It's ridiculous the time you spend against theists. Why not build up on your lack of belief instead?

All these threads seem more sentimental than logical. If you don't believe it, why spend a lot of time on it illogically? The imaginary scenarios are just...!

Always the sad tales of people refusing to marry you etc because you are atheists. Pity party. Mopers united.

Locate atheists who share your disbeliefs and move on.


PS: don't bother mentioning. I don't reply........

A kind of Review or Question

==modified==

There once an emperor, his subject called him Shadows Lord, he commands their loyalties and praise, his palace is always full of extravagant celebration, not for themselves but for visitors and stranger who passed by the Emperors Royal Palace. Both Visitor and stranger that passed by are entitled to be entertained and given a non-transferable Golden Box of gifts but of course you may not like add more to your load hence you are at liberty to reject the box, but you must be entertained.

In this Box there is a Golden Key, A scroll, 9 vials, a Glass Ring and a Purple Rob. To cut the story short (I will update late)...
The Glass ring signifies Identity of Acceptance and the Purple Rob is Identity of Association, that is you Accept and Associate your self with the emperor, and that gives you access to Emperors Royal Palace and his people.


The question I want anyone reading this to answer is,
Could anyone who get entertained at the Emperors Royal Palace but rejected the Golden box have the privilege of associating with Emperors kinsmen?

==modified 28/07/17==
OP listen to this
You cant ridicule and insult the culture of the Chinese and expect them to show you love.
You ridicule Chinese food, yet you wanted a Chinese wife, what do you expect her to cook for?
You rejected Chinese language, yet you want a job in Chinese Coy, how will function among chinese speakers
The list can go on...

If we are to judge by atheists rule of self define MORAL CODE. they were so right to determine what is good for them and thereby rejecting you, at least they are happy with such decision.

If you start believing on Jesus today, what you highlight up there will change and you will feel real LOVE more than what you highlight up there

===


CC: Analice107

I got to sleep.... I will finish up me story morrow morning, by God's grace

GoodMuyis:
A kind of Review or Question

==modified==

There once an emperor, his subject called him Shadows Lord, he commands their loyalties and praise, his palace is always full of extravagant celebration, not for themselves but for visitors and stranger who passed by the Emperors Royal Palace. Both Visitor and stranger that passed by are entitled to be entertained and given a non-transferable Golden Box of gifts but of course you may not like add more to your load hence you are at liberty to reject the box, but you must be entertained.

In this Box there is a Golden Key, A scroll, 9 vials, a Glass Ring and a Purple Rod. To cut the story short (I will update late)...
The Glass ring signifies Identity of Acceptance and the Purple Rod is Identity of Association, that is you Accept and Associate your self with the emperor, and that gives you access to Emperors Royal Palace and his people.

The question I want anyone reading this to answer is,
Could anyone who get entertained at the Emperors Royal Palace but rejected the Golden box have the privilege of associating with Emperors kinsmen?


===

Story by Prince goodmuyis (the nobo-prince)

CC: Analice107

How can?

Epositive, food don land

GoodMuyis:
I got to sleep.... I will finish up me story morrow morning, by FSM's grace

okay

Hopefullandlord nice one.

jonbellion:
great
Real great!

Must you quote everything, shior, dont you know its affecting the DB server

GoodMuyis:


Must you quote everything, shior, dont you know its affecting the DB server

was a mistake sorry

hopefulLandlord:
Has this question ever bothered you?

why is it that the average Christian likes you more when you were a Muslim than when you became an atheist/irreligious?

why is it that the average Muslim likes you more when you were a Christian than when you told them/they discovered you're an atheist?

why is it that the average Pagan likes you more when you were a Christian/Muslim than when you told them/they discovered you're an atheist?

this is one of the biggest head scratching things you'll notice when your atheism is discovered/you come out of the "closet"

let's try to put this thing in logical form, let's say there's this lady neighbour of yours you really like but she's already with this other guy and they seem happy together so you don't bother trying to act on your feelings cuz you feel she won't leave her boyfriend for you (which is sensible)
for some weeks you then notice the guy is not visiting her, you're not a stalker but perhaps you noticed there's a particular time he comes to visit her and his car makes a distinct sound when zooming in and parking, you haven't heard that sound for some weeks so you see the girl jogging and decided to join her, both of you jog for a while and decided to take a short rest before resuming, so you ask after some small talks, "BTW, did George travel? I haven't seen him around for a while" she then says "We broke up"

logically speaking, you'll see this as an opportunity to make her yours now that she's free, you now act on that feeling (with sense, of course) and try to make her yours, your "dream" has a better chance of coming true now more than ever

let's use another analogy, Neymar is arguably the hottest property in world football at the moment cuz he's in the midst of transfer tussle

Neymar has a release clause of €220M, and PSG are apparently ready to pay that, let's say by some chance Neymar frees himself from Barcelona's (his present club) contract and becomes free, shouldn't PSG be even happier to get him now that they don't even need to pay €220M? of course they would cuz a free Neymar is as good as €220M Neymar



why then is it that when it comes to religion in which Christians are supposed to show more love to an ex Muslim who's an atheist, they seem to be more hostile? isn't the Muslim going to hell? isn't this time that he/she is an atheist the best time to draw him closer and attempt to make him see your religion as the true one?

why are Muslims usually more hostile towards ex Christians who are now atheists than they do Christians?

why is it that a Muslim doesn't care if her child has Christian friends and vice versa but would do anything to prevent an atheist from getting close to their child?

why is it that a Christian would rather hire a Muslim than an atheist for a job?

why is it that a Christian would rather help a Muslim in time of need than an atheist?

why is it that a pagan would rather help a Muslim and a Christian than an atheist?

about the "hiring" part, I used to think that maybe they feel an atheist might steal from them without remorse or may even kill them since he doesn't believe in any god but I later realised it doesn't make sense! if a Christian can hire a Muslim knowing that such a Muslim can get a hair up his Arse one day and decide to blow up the establishment of "infidels" to the glory of Allah, how then is such a Muslim different from an atheist? of course no, that doesn't stop him hiring a Muslim, all the bombings he hears of on TV hasn't stopped him, all the Boko Haram killings hasn't stopped him, all the Islamic terrorism he hears of hasn't stopped him, all the beheading he sees circulating hasn't stopped him, he hires the Muslim anyways but the atheist should look elsewhere for jobs

Try to take a babysitting job and tell the Christian parents you're an atheist and they would most likely freak out and hire someone else, tell the Christian parents you're a Muslim and they would most likely give you the job anyways even though there's a chance they'll return and see their "infidel" home in flames, they take the chance anyways


I've always asked myself this question and it always confuses me as there seems to be no logical answer to it, until I reread "The Emperor's New Clothes" by Hans Christian Andersen few days back and the connection was telling

for those who haven't read the story, I'll tell an abridged version of it

a long time ago, a vain emperor who cares about nothing except wearing and displaying clothes hires two weavers who promise him the finest, best suit of clothes from a fabric invisible to anyone who is either unfit for his position or "hopelessly stupid". The emperor's ministers cannot see the clothes themselves, but pretend that they can for fear of appearing unfit for their positions, and the emperor does the same. Finally, the weavers report that the suit is finished, they mime dressing him, and the emperor marches in procession before his subjects. The townsfolk play along with the pretense, not wanting to appear unfit for their positions or stupid.


I'll pause the story right there,

notice that in this hypothetical scenario, the townsfolk would agree that the emperor isn't naked but that's where all the agreement ends

they can never agree on:

what colour the clothe is

what material the cloth is made of

if the cloth has patterned colour or its just plain

which design was sown

whether the cloth long sleeved or short sleeved

whether the trouser is long or short

whether the cloth is tight or loose fitting

and many other questions concerning this "cloth" in question

If Mr Appleby says "he's wearing green silk" and someone else says "no, it's pink taffeta" and another screams "No! its purple Aposhe" that is merely annoying. I mean, they can argue forever without damaging the illusion.

try to imagine after not having a consensus on the cloth they decide to ask Epositive the properties of the said cloth and he goes "I honestly didn't see any cloth on the emperor, I'm not sure but it looks to me like the emperor was actually naked or maybe my eyes were deceiving me but I saw his junk and his potbelly and no! I'm not hopelessly stupid or unworthy"

try to imagine the reaction of those he's talking to, he has threatened the entire illusion and is not afraid to be called hopelessly stupid and unworthy cuz he knows what he saw, they'll shout him down and might even be ready to harm or kill him for daring to insult their dear emperor


that's why Christians are comfortable having Muslims as best friends and vice versa but would try to avoid atheists as much as possible, they can even marry in an interreligious fashion; at least with a Muslim friend you can both argue which one is the true word of god between Koran and Bible, with other religions they can argue about whose rules are correct, which reinforces that the game is worth playing, while atheists by their existence imply the... game... is.... meaningless

Religion wears many veils. Atheists see through all of them and see nothing real behind them. It drives the religious bananas, more than a challenge from a different religion ever will. There is no common ground.

This is the reason there's less love shown to an atheist than a competing religion, atheists are threatening the illusion

everyday you spend being alive is an insult to them as they believe they owe their survival to their imaginary friend

every little success you have in your endeavour is a massive blow to them, you're achieving these things without what they deem most essential (god)

every property you acquire is an insult to them and their god cuz you're acquiring these things without any god

everyday you spend not battling an illness feels painful to them

that explains why they would deny you that job and pass it on to a rival/competing religion instead, why they'd rather demote you or even fire you, why they'll rather watch you suffer in life cuz every health problem, every financial problem, every relationship problem you are going through, every huge challenge you face and its weighing on you is a sign to them that their god is realNo! its purple Aposhe

Hopefullandlord who dash monkey banana. Why do you take yourself so seriously? Who is hostile towards you? Go through all of YouTube and watch preachers lovingly embrace atheists and preach the love of God to them.

The hateful ones have always been atheists. Why do you think they are called God haters? Why are Christians not called Atheist haters?

Christians embrace all and I mean all! The intolerant ones are atheists who see no reason to believe in what Christians believe but would open threads all over Nairaland like yours simply to mock Christians which is their hatred speaking out.

Even in real life all over YouTube it's atheists who are confrontational and abusive to Christians simply because of a message of Love being given.

Prove me wrong!

The simple reason Muslims are a bit more acceptable is because we know they have rules they live by and once those are not infringed upon then we are good. But what rules do atheist abide with? Absolutely none!

You have no rules so have no scruples with mocking everyone who does not fall in line with you including taking jabs at those things they hold dear. That makes you a no no zone and you brought it on yourself. Blame nobody but yourself

I'll ignore the guy above ^
Goodmuyis, I'll reply you soon

CuteMadridista:
I'll ignore the guy above ^

Goodmuyis, I'll reply you soon

Which guy will you ignore? Are you not hopefullandlord? Is it because I told you the truth which puts an end to your useless musing? All you seek is another pointless argument even after the truth has been served to you free of charge.

People love rules and are more comfortable around others who live by them and hold them high personally. You have absolutely none as an atheist so why would I be comfortable around you?

You have no issues with sodomy or bestiality or homosexuality or incest or stealing in absence of the law or murder simply because you have no rules in you and only follow the ones you are exposed to on the surface but wouldn't miss an opportunity to go against it.

Look within yourself and tell yourself the truth and stop this pity party you are trying to throw. Who dash monkey banana?

^ you've been noticed

CuteMadridista:
^ you've been noticed

So has your pity party.

Hopefullandlord, talk. Your match is here. Very soon you'd accuse him/her of being Spacetacular.

Hopefullandlord, talk. Your match is here. Very soon you'd accuse him/her of being Spacetacular or Analice.
Every strong Christian character threatens atheists.

Nice thread. It's a game only them understand.

analice107:
Hopefullandlord, talk. Your match is here. Very soon you'd accuse him/her of being Spacetacular.

You dey mind the insecure pity party throwing yet they don't care atheist?

Na dem care pass and na dem dey petty pass. See thread where he is just rambling on and on over what he brought upon himself or they brought upon themselves and he is now playing the blame game.

So who make I blame when I preach to an atheist and tell him God loves him. Who should I blame for that?

analice107:
Hopefullandlord, talk. Your match is here. Very soon you'd accuse him/her of being Spacetacular or Analice.
Every strong Christian character threatens atheists.

I've made it a point to ignore him, if you think I'm doing that cuz he's a "strong Christian" then so be it

I can chose to respond to whoever I like and ignore whoever I feel like ignoring and you're free to make your own conclusion(s)

CuteMadridista:

I've made it a point to ignore him, if you think I'm doing that cuz he's a "strong Christian" then so be it

I can chose to respond to whoever I like and ignore whoever I feel like ignoring

Then do well to also ignore Goodmuyis. Make it an all inclusive one. Truth comes in all shades of colour so picking what you want to hear which appeals to you shows the no rule tendency you hold dear.

Seun owns Nairaland and no Christian hates him. Is he not an atheist? Why are we here if we do? We would have boycotted here as you would have wanted it. But we see his Nairaland as a platform he provided to our advantage as well so why hate him.

Even Seun an atheist seems to be the most reserved and we'll spoken of all of you. He chooses his words carefully and seeks a balance probably because he still has some reservation about the non existence of God.

Seun we no hate you o. Na hopefullandlord imagination at work.

^ Goodmuyis is one of the most mature Christians on this section, I could even argue he's the most mature so he's worth replying to, we have good chat history together and have mutual respect for each other,

this would be the last time I'm indirectly responding to you