ZKOSOSO:


Matthews 12:43-45..........to start with.

What about the scripture? How does it speak to your assertion?
Please, just for clarity, we are speaking of believers here.

Matthew 12:44 (NKJV)
Then he says, ‘I will return to my house from which I came.’ And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.

ZKOSOSO:


Matthews 12:43-45..........to start with.

What about it?

Processor01:


Please shed some more light sir/ma.

If you don't mind, please use some scriptures to back up your teaching - Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses.

@warmachine, we are also open to hear/learn from you.

@701ecilana

God bless you sir. Am here waiting to hear from him.

Hello Guys,
Happy Sunday to us all..


This is a message from God to keep us aware that the spirit realm truly exists, and to make us become more sensitive to the Spirit. I will be exposing the tactics of the Witchcraft manipulations throughout this message.
This message will focus on Witchcraft manipulation and the devices of evil around us. It will be a two-course meal. Enjoy.



PART 1:

In the realm of the spirit there are unseen forces that our physical eyes cannot see. The spirit realm is just around us, and there are lots of activities going on in there.


Man is a tripartite being. He is a spirit, living in a body, and has a soul. Think of man living in a house together with his soul. You get the picture? Spirit, Body, Soul.
Man, here represents everyone, both male and female.



When Adam was made. He lived in both worlds, the spirit realm and the physical realm. He could see all around him, physical things and spiritual things. He was put within the spirit realm in the garden of God, Eden. But when he fell, God cut off the ability for man to co-exist at his will. Man was driven from the garden, and the direct union of soul and spirit was cut which made man now unable to see the spirit realm at free will. Adam and Eve were deeply in the spirit realm that they were not even aware they were naked. But after eating the fruit, their eyes were not exactly opened. There was a swap of sight. Their eyes became opened to the physical plane and became dimmed to the spirit plane. Thus, they had become aware that they were n*ked.



The power to see into the spiritual was lost. This was the plan of satan all along and it is still his desire to keep mankind in ignorance. That is why God says We suffer for lack of knowledge.


Now Man sees the spirit realm only when God permits him to. And to make it worse, anyone without the Holy Ghost would see nothing, except by the intervention of God.



God opened my eyes one day to see into a dimension in the spirit realm. In this dimension, I saw the street next to mine in an entirely different way. There were people buying and selling somethings I didn’t understand. They were even making some things to sell. They all worked the same trade on the street, they all worked together. The street looked like a market area, a very busy place and much larger with several turns, quite unusual than the way it looks like in the physical. I’m not sure if these people could see me though. They were living like normal people but they are not normal people at all.



And then God took me to a friend’s office. This was the so-called friend He had warned me about. And what I saw in this friend’s office was astonishing. His office was bigger than usual. He had a secret door in that same office where water flowed from many taps. I was shocked. God had shown me how this person would astral project into the spirit realm to cause evil. He was involved in witchcraft.


In the physical realm, where a wall exists, it might not exist in the spirit realm. Instead the place would seem larger than usual.



I remember when I was in the university, I lived off campus in one of the hostels. The school was to resume in 3 days or thereabout, but I thought it wise to come in earlier. We were just three in the hostel at that time.



That night, my spiritual senses was opened, and I could hear lots of noise and banging of doors in the hostel. Next door neighbors were asking each other for buckets, or for one thing or another. It was too noisy. I knew I was seeing into the spiritual because we were only three in the hostel and it was just about past 3am.



After that, I could sense a feeling by my window side. I lived on the second floor. I moved towards the window, hiding myself beneath the window. Then I peeped out only to see someone using a phone, the phone’s light reflected on his face. I was scared. Who would be staying outside at this time of the day, comfortably using their phone in entire darkness? As I stared at him for about 3secs, the guy immediately put off his phone. And then he turned sharply to look in my direction. I quickly put my head down. How did he know I was watching him? Everywhere was an entire blackout. It would be impossible for a human to notice he was being watched in that darkness and from a good distance.


So after about 4 seconds, I quickly looked outside again. But the guy had disappeared. I began to have goose pimples. I begged God to take away this spiritual sensitivity from me that night. I wasn’t even right with God, why was I seeing all this?


I raced to my bed and hid under the sheets. I could still hear strange noises. Now this time around, a personality had walked into my room, and was saying some strange whisperings in my ear. I put on my earphones to listen to gospel music to block the noise out. I tried to sleep but couldn’t fall asleep. After I prayed, God caused me to fall sleep after a while.



The next morning, the three of us in the hostel converged and discussed about last night. I was glad that I wasn’t the only one that had an experience like that.


There are people deep into astral projection. Witches and wizards are deeply into it. They are bouncing off the plane of the spirit realm, working for satan, doing all sorts of evil. Human spirits. There are also demons in this realm too.



As God constantly gave me revelations and teachings on how people enter into the spirit realm through astral projection, I began to now understand clearly why satan was usually one step ahead of Christians. He uses Witches and Wizards to work evil against us right from the spirit realm and they get to use the info we give them in the physical against us. These people are many, they’re all over the place doing one thing or the other against people. Some of them are friends, some are relatives, etc.



Now…

God wants to equip us with knowledge. God’s love protects us and helps us in our day to day activities.


The spirit realm is parallel to this physical realm. It surrounds the physical realm. If only we could see.


2 Kings 6:17
Elisha prayed ‘Open his eyes oh Lord, so that he may see’’. Then the Lord opened the servant’s eyes and he looked and saw the hills full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha.

To be a powerful Christian, you just have to see into the spirit realm. Not everyone has the grace of seeing, but we can discern when something is happening around us.



Witches and Wizards love to spy on people and try to harm them. Sometimes they would use a wall gecko to watch a person and know what they do or talk about in secret. Sometimes they would manipulate a person to lust after them by manipulating their dreams. A person may see himself or herself sleeping with a particular person, then the next day they simply cannot get their minds off that person. That’s witchcraft manipulation.



There is a working of darkness. Witches are directly under territorial demons, who constantly report to satan on the activities of their success in their manipulation against man.



Let me break it down.
God showed me how satan use witches to hamper people’s destiny. Satan puts witches in strategic positions, usually in bars, restaurants, hospitals, and even churches to cause them evil in whatever way possible.



Here, I was shown a territorial demon dressed neatly in a white suit, and one of his agent (a witch). They were having a conversation and the witch was telling the demon of her progress, just imagine a boss & employee relationship. Just like that.


What happens is that, the witch hunts for hard targets, People who are not easy to seduce, people with bright destinies and who are usually called to work mightily in God’s kingdom. She looks for them and she tries to seduce them. When she succeeds at this, she puts them in an unconscious state and have s*x with them.




The s*x is actually a ritual to manipulate a person’s destiny. All those males who slept with the witch had their private organs shrunken. They became impotent (losing their value). Impotency here can be in any area or many areas of a person’s life i.e career wise, spiritual life or physical life.
The witchcraft spirit is a very coded one. When I mean coded, I mean very subtle, deceptive and full of pretense. You can never know who is a witch or wizard with the physical eyes.




I remember when I entered the university, God would come to me in my sleep, show me a girl and say ‘’Stay clear off this one for a week’’. At another time, God showed me another girl and said ‘’This one was just initiated into witchcraft last night’’. He showed me many of them, in my class and in other classes. Some of them couldn’t talk to me without stammering or looking away in the physical.
It was quite astonishing to see that there were so many witches on campus. They are constantly engaged in sexual activities and evil activities against people.




At some point, God showed me their meeting zone in my school, and how they astral projected to meet. He also showed me how they used a certain tree in the school campus as a portal, allowing other people join them in their witchcraft meetings. I even saw a girl in my class who was a very serious born again. I was surprised and furious when I saw her. And then she saw me, I angrily ran to grab her for I somehow knew that catching her would mean her not being able to wake up in the physical realm. But somehow, she quickly escaped.



The point of all this is to know the tactics of your enemies. We cannot continue to claim to be powerful Christians if we don’t know how satan works against us. He uses demons, who also use human spirits (witches/wizards) to work against us. People would laugh and joke with you in the physical, but go to do evil against you spiritually.

* If you’re in the habit of telling people your plans before they even hatch, please stop doing so.


* Some people would be so desperate to know so much about you, please don’t give in and tell them all about your life. Could be your neighbors, some relatives, and friends. Please keep sensitive information to yourself. Don’t even tell some of your close relatives. The spirit of witchcraft thrives on information to make people’s life miserable. Do not be too public on Facebook, LinkedIn, Instagram etc.



* When you go to buy things in the market, please don’t buy those used underwear some people tend to buy. Not only is it disgusting, the kingdom of darkness is in the fashion line they tend to manipulate some certain fashionable items, like beads, rings, clothes etc. So whenever you buy certain clothes, always pray on them.



The power of God in us is more than enough to overcome any power of darkness. Witches/wizards are the lowest in the hierarchy of the kingdom of darkness. But they could be very harmful to Christians who don’t know God or who backslide, and also to those who love to fornicate.



I’ll be telling us more about this and how to overcome this spirit of witchcraft in the next part.
God bless you for your time. May the grace of God continue to abide with us in Jesus Name. Amen.

Shalom

Continues in Part 2….

I pray the Almighty keeps us safe in Jesus name. I desire that my spiritual eye opens clearly cos I only cash a glimpse whenever I lay to sleep while speaking in tongues.
@CharlyG1 please what does it mean to perceive a nice perfume and also aroma of food while awake...seems I'm d only one perceiving it. I also see tiny (like dots) flashes of light even when I'm outdoors.

701ecilana:

God bless you sir. Am here waiting to hear from him.

Issoryt...my dear some one maybe demonised right from the mother's womb and later give his life to Christ..
However giving your life to christ I.e believing in the Christ doesn't automatically force the demons out...the demons remain even after the infilling of the Holy Spirit(note: I didn't say baptism I said "infilling" ) and need to be cast out..see the case of the demon possessed boy whose father brought him to the discples then to Jesus ....they believed but they were still in their predicament..you see many are Christians but yet still sick or demonized...if you watch deliverance ministeries you will see long time believers been delivered even pastors
A demonized person may experience depression , setback,sickness,sexual dreams,eating in the dream,sleep paralysis(feeling pressed down while as sleep)etc. And many Christians experience this

Note guys you can not efficiently represent Christ without the baptism of the Spirit...I didn't say indwelling...indwelling and baptism(the Spirit upon) are different....indwelling Spirit helps you obey the word while the Spirit upon helps you do the work eg speak in new languages,heal ,prophesy and manifest other gifts of the Spirit...so all these ones claiming to have cast out demons I hope uve been Spirit baptised with that gift if not you are the risk of afflictions...remember the sons of sceva

warmachine:


Issoryt...my dear some one maybe demonised right from the mother's womb( I was one of those) and later give his life to Christ..
However giving your life to christ I.e believing in the Christ doesn't automatically force the demons out...the demons remain even after the infilling of the Holy Spirit(note: I didn't say baptism I said "infilling" ) and need to be cast out..see the case of the demon possessed boy whose father brought him to the discples then to Jesus ....they believed but they were still in their predicament..you see many are Christians but yet still sick or demonized...if you watch deliverance ministeries you will see long time believers been delivered even pastors
A demonized person may experience depression , setback,sickness,sexual dreams,eating in the dream,sleep paralysis(feeling pressed down while as sleep)etc. And many Christians experience this

By infilling as in the Holy Spirit dwelling in someone?

What is the difference between Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the infilling of the Holy Spirit?

You mean the Holy Spirit comes into a person and dwells together with the demonic spirits? Hmmm. This is something.

The case of the demon possessed boy can even begin to be used as a premise here. The boy was possessed by demons, the reason for which the Apostles couldn't cast out that demons or those demons was because either the boys Will was conningly taken or his parents gave their will power before the possession took place, and the Apostle were not familiar with cases like that as yet. The Holy Spirit has not come to them to empower them to overpower demonic forces yet. It took the Master himself to deliver the boy.

There's nothing like Deliverance ministry or Deliverance pastors.

Satan and the Holy Spirit CAN NOT LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE.
And the light shines in darkness, and the darkness comprehends it not. Darkness automatically disappears when light comes.

701ecilana:

By infilling as in the Holy Spirit dwelling in someone?

What is the difference between Baptism of the Holy Spirit and the infilling of the Holy Spirit?

You mean the Holy Spirit comes into a person and dwells together with the demonic spirits? Hmmm. This is something.

The case of the demon possessed boy can even begin to be used as a premise here. The boy was possessed by demons, the reason for which the Apostles couldn't cast out that demons or those demons was because either the boys Will was conningly taken or his parents gave their will power before the possession took place, and the Apostle were not familiar with cases like that as yet. The Holy Spirit has not come to them to empower them to overpower demonic forces yet. It took the Master himself to deliver the boy.

There's nothing like Deliverance ministry or Deliverance pastors.

Satan and the Holy Spirit CAN NOT LIVE IN THE SAME HOUSE.
And the light shines in darkness, and the darkness comprehends it not. Darkness automatically disappears when light comes.

Madam ...lol...it will be wrong for me to argue with you ....because some kind of knowledge is not for everyone..it may sound weird but true and as for the in filling and baptism please read
John20:22&acts 2:1-4
I am not too strong to explain all

You said there is nothing like deliverance ministry...lol...sha like I said I can't argue with you...but truthfully you have alot to learn

And as for the boy..the reason he wasn't delivered was that the apostles lacked necessary faith to cast out that type of demon..pls read it again

warmachine:

Madam ...lol...it will be wrong for me to argue with you ....because some kind of knowledge is not for everyone..it may sound weird but true and as for the in filling and baptism please read
John20:22&acts 2:1-4
I am not too strong to explain all

You said there is nothing like deliverance ministry...lol...sha like I said I can't argue with you...but truthfully you have alot to learn

And as for the boy..the reason he wasn't delivered was that the apostles lacked necessary faith to cast out that type of demon..pls read it again

lol. I asked you a question, Can the Holy Spirit and demonic Spirit possess the same body? Na wao.
Again i say there's nothing like deliverance ministry. Pls back up your write ups with scriptures and pls use them within context.

warmachine:

Madam ...lol...it will be wrong for me to argue with you ....because some kind of knowledge is not for everyone..it may sound weird but true and as for the in filling and baptism please read
John20:22&acts 2:1-4
I am not too strong to explain all

You said there is nothing like deliverance ministry...lol...sha like I said I can't argue with you...but truthfully you have alot to learn

And as for the boy..the reason he wasn't delivered was that the apostles lacked necessary faith to cast out that type of demon..pls read it again

lol. I asked you a question, Can the Holy Spirit and demonic Spirit possess the same body? Na wao.
Again i say there's nothing like deliverance ministry. Pls back up your write ups with scriptures and pls use them within context.

Shalom.

701ecilana:

lol. I asked you a question, Can the Holy Spirit and demonic Spirit possess the same body? Na wao.
Again i say there's nothing like deliverance ministry. Pls back up your write ups with scriptures and pls use them within context.

Shalom.

After reading your post yesterday I decided not to even reply because you seem hard to teach ( it wasnt my intention to sound harsh) but I had a re think this morning because of those who may be confused about this issue
Now when you get born Again the holy Spirit unites with your spirit to be come one however this does not mean the Spirit in you is all strong and powerful yet(though it has the potential to be all powerful ) as you still have to feed it with word which is the bread of life...that how to access the potential power...you may ask y?..this is because the spirit in you is like a baby that needs food to grow... now when you get saved but have a demon in you (remember demons don't cleave to your spirit the only stay in the body) the Holy Spirit in you may not be strong enough yet to toture that demon and as such needs to be cast out
My explanations may not be be very detailed
And as for your claim about the nonexistence of deliverance ministry well some things about the spirit are better learnt "experiencially" if you know what I mean

And as for that scripture talking about light shinning in darkness..you really didn't get the meaning
As for the demon possessed boy I wonder where you got that your assumption from,the disciples couldn't cast it out because of their faith level the passage stated it clearly.

And there is a difference with in filling and baptism of the Spirit...read the passags I mentioned in my previous post

warmachine:


After reading your post yesterday I decided not to even reply because you seem hard to teach ( it wasnt my intention to sound harsh) but I had a re think this morning because of those who may be confused about this issue
Now when you get born Again the holy Spirit unites with your spirit to be come one however this does not mean the Spirit in you is all strong and powerful yet(though it has the potential to be all powerful ) as you still have to feed it with word which is the bread of life...that how to access the potential power...you may ask y?..this is because the spirit in you is like a baby that needs food to grow... now when you get saved but have a demon in you (remember demons don't cleave to your spirit the only stay in the body) the Holy Spirit in you may not be strong enough yet to toture that demon and as such needs to be cast out
My explanations may not be be very detailed
And as for your claim about the nonexistence of deliverance ministry well some things about the spirit are better learnt "experiencially" if you know what I mean

And as for that scripture talking about light shinning in darkness..you really didn't get the meaning
As for the demon possessed boy I wonder where you got that your assumption from,the disciples couldn't cast it out because of their faith level the passage stated it clearly.

And there is a difference with in filling and baptism of the Spirit...read the passags I mentioned in my previous post

You want to teach me your mind or the scriptures? because so far you haven't been teaching scriptures.

So you mean demons cleaves to our bodies not our spirits? Really. What are these demons, spirits or flesh?

Am not just in the mood to enter into a serious discussion with you.

Demons dominates out spirits. Takes over our minds(desires, imaginations) and controls our bodies(actions)

demons are spirits so can not live in our bodies. What you have inside manifests outside that's why their activities are seen.

These are the Ministries (Gifts) given to us to function in the house of God.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Ephesians:4:11

Pls show me deliverance from them.

Am feeling lazy right now, but keep up, i may just be ready to go into scriptures with you.

HOLY SPIRIT shine the light of your word into our soul as we look up to You and long for You feed our spirit and quench the thirst......
Happy new month to everyone here welcoming You all to the month of LAUGHTER

701ecilana:

You want to teach me your mind or the scriptures? because so far you haven't been teaching scriptures.

So you mean demons cleaves to our bodies not our spirits? Really. What are these demons, spirits or flesh?

Am not just in the mood to enter into a serious discussion with you.

Demons dominates out spirits. Takes over our minds(desires, imaginations) and controls our bodies(actions)

demons are spirits so can not live in our bodies. What you have inside manifests outside that's why their activities are seen.

These are the Ministries (Gifts) given to us to function in the house of God.

And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Ephesians:4:11

Pls show me deliverance from them.

Am feeling lazy right now, but keep up, i may just be ready to go into scriptures with you.

Obadiah: 1. 17. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. -

That's a scripture to buttress the efficacy of deliverance ministry.

In the world we have Forces that works in keeping and ensuring peace in the community. The job of a Police is different from a Soldier but they are related.

warmachine:


After reading your post yesterday I decided not to even reply because you seem hard to teach ( it wasnt my intention to sound harsh) but I had a re think this morning because of those who may be confused about this issue
Now when you get born Again the holy Spirit unites with your spirit to be come one however this does not mean the Spirit in you is all strong and powerful yet(though it has the potential to be all powerful ) as you still have to feed it with word which is the bread of life...that how to access the potential power...you may ask y?..this is because the spirit in you is like a baby that needs food to grow... now when you get saved but have a demon in you (remember demons don't cleave to your spirit the only stay in the body) the Holy Spirit in you may not be strong enough yet to toture that demon and as such needs to be cast out
My explanations may not be be very detailed
And as for your claim about the nonexistence of deliverance ministry well some things about the spirit are better learnt "experiencially" if you know what I mean

And as for that scripture talking about light shinning in darkness..you really didn't get the meaning
As for the demon possessed boy I wonder where you got that your assumption from,the disciples couldn't cast it out because of their faith level the passage stated it clearly.

And there is a difference with in filling and baptism of the Spirit...read the passags I mentioned in my previous post

My brother I apologize but this is a typical Naija version of the finished work of Christ.

So far, you have refused to discuss scriptures but just give experiences which do not align with God's word. I am sorry once again but this approach only puts people that have been set free in bondage again.

I speak very strongly about these things because my salvation experience did not happen with the regular alter call and it happened at a time when I didn't even have a church so I learnt a ton of stuffs direct from the source. I do not claim ever seeing an angel or demon but mehn, I could hear God's heart beat! I got scriptures to read, I had revelatory dreams and the Holy Spirit interpreted in the mornings, I got woken up to pray, God sometimes told me what people were thinking, I had an exceptional level of wisdom and I could hear God clearly - I mean clearly.

To be quite honest, I am not as close to God as I used to be but that one will be story for another day. A lot of things changed after I started working. See ehnn, I may not know some 'high level' stuff about God ooo but sincerely, I met him as a Father and that's how I constantly see him and approach him.

I certainly don't know so much but I know this story of demons in believers is a BIG LIE! And keep in mind, I am not talking about people that call themselves 'Christians' or mumble a few words claiming to be saved ooo. Same way I started attending church and they said if you can't speak in tongues, you don't have the Holy Spirit - I relapsed into confusion and almost got some rubbish 'kundalini' spirit before God cautioned me.

How did I suddenly stop masturbation and heavy alcoholism in 2008 after indulging in these for the past 7 years of my life? Who delivered me?
How did I suddenly get 3 job offers in 2008 after sitting at home jobless for a year (period in which I met Christ)? Who delivered me?
Abi should we talk about my father who is heavy in occultism? Which deliverance has kept me going?

You see ehnnn, the major tool of the devil I have come to realize is FEAR and IGNORANCE.

Tosinex:
Obadiah: 1. 17. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; and the house of Jacob shall possess their possessions. -

That's a scripture to buttress the efficacy of deliverance ministry.

In the world we have Forces that works in keeping and ensuring peace in the community. The job of a Police is different from a Soldier but they are related.

Hahahahahahahahaha. Really? Plsssssss. Every believer empowered with the Holy Spirit is a deliverance minister, all it takes is growth and knowing who satan is and how he operates
Fear keeps people from confronting demons making them appear bigger and stronger than they are. It is the Holy Spirit in us who deals with demons not even us. All we need do is be bold, courageous and fearless in the face of all these entities. And most of the so-called deliverance ministries are even allies with satan deceiving people.


And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark:16:15

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark:16:16
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark:16:17

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark:16:18


This is the Master commissioning those whom he has empowered to go into the world to primarily;

1. Preach the Gospel.

In the course of preaching the Gospel, if you meet the sick.

2. Heal them.

3. Cast out demons.

4. Cleans the Leper. Etc.

Everyone who can preach the gospel, he has given power to heal the sick, cast out devils open the eyes of the blind and cleans the Leper.

I don't know where you people got this your deliverance ministry from.

And, sir, MOUNT ZION is the Church. I gave you the 5ive Fold Ministries but you jumped passed them to bring me Obadiah as if you ever saw anyone in the old testament deal with demons.

701ecilana:

Hahahahahahahahaha. Really? Plsssssss. Every believer empowered with the Holy Spirit is a deliverance minister, all it takes is growth and knowing who satan is and how he operates
Fear keeps people from confronting demons making them appear bigger and stronger than they are. It is the Holy Spirit in us who deals with demons not even us. All we need do is be bold, courageous and fearless in the face of all these entities. And most of the so-called deliverance ministries are even allies with satan deceiving people.


And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
Mark:16:15

He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
Mark:16:16
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mark:16:17

They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Mark:16:18


This is the Master commissioning those whom he has empowered to go into the world to primarily;

1. Preach the Gospel.

In the course of preaching the Gospel, if you meet the sick.

2. Heal them.

3. Cast out demons.

4. Cleans the Leper. Etc.

Everyone who can preach the gospel, he has given power to heal the sick, cast out devils open the eyes of the blind and cleans the Leper.

I don't know where you people got this your deliverance ministry from.

And, sir, MOUNT ZION is the Church. I gave you the 5ive Fold Ministries but you jumped passed them to bring me Obadiah as if you ever saw anyone in the old testament deal with demons.

So everyone you see in your church is a genuine believer and has the Holy Spirit? Everyone you see on the road is a believer? You were talking of growth in the Holy Spirit, how many times do you fast in your church in a week. Or you think to cast out demons is just by going to church and reading Bible. there are Priest and there are Priest, some are separated for Special work, it's a fact you can't push away. I understand your talk about every believer who has the Holy Spirit to be a deliverance minister but maybe you don't know there are stages and levels in that same Holy Spirit. Some of your Pastors go to other Pastors that are deeper than them for certain things you don't know of. And please don't discard the O.T Jesus didn't do the same, he said every word in that book will come to pass, and the gods of the gentiles, the gods of the Egyptians that Moses dealt with are they not demonic manifestations. MOUNT ZION IS THE CHURCH, yeah that's why people run to the Church to be delivered. You said everyone who can preach the gospel is a deliverer? smh...seems you forgot about the sons of sceva.

Tosinex:
So everyone you see in your church is a genuine believer and has the Holy Spirit? Everyone you see on the road is a believer? You were talking of growth in the Holy Spirit, how many times do you fast in your church in a week. Or you think to cast out demons is just by going to church and reading Bible. there are Priest and there are Priest, some are separated for Special work, it's a fact you can't push away. I understand your talk about every believer who has the Holy Spirit to be a deliverance minister but maybe you don't know there are stages and levels in that same Holy Spirit. Some of your Pastors go to other Pastors that are deeper than them for certain things you don't know of. And please don't discard the O.T Jesus didn't do the same, he said every word in that book will come to pass, and the gods of the gentiles, the gods of the Egyptians that Moses dealt with are they not demonic manifestations. MOUNT ZION IS THE CHURCH, yeah that's why people run to the Church to be delivered. You said everyone who can preach the gospel is a deliverer? smh...seems you forgot about the sons of sceva.

Not everyone in Church is a Christian. Am aware of fakes and babes in Christ.

And, not every Christian has the Holy Spirit, some have Him but don't know how to harness his power. And, no I didn't say growth in the Holy Spirit. We don't grow in the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says, be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. We get born again in our Spirits, by having a new life which only the Holy Spirit can give, but transforming who we use to be to align with what we hear from the word if God, is our duty. Renewing our minds is our responsibility. This is growth. Being able to put our bodies under subjection is the growth and talking about.

My personal fasting days is Monday. My Church fasts every Wednesday of every week. And three days to start every month. My Church prays 1hr every morning and every evening of every day except Sundays, that's two hrs everyday. This does not include my personal prayer time. So yes, we fast and we pray often.

The Holy Spirit has stages and levels? DO you even know what you are talking about?
Pls enlighten me about the stages and levels of the Holy Spirit.

Were the sons of sceva believers? Didn't you read it is said that they were vagabonds?


Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Acts:19:13

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Acts:19:15

Do Christians practice Exorcism? We do deliverance not Exorcism.

Many of the so called deliverance minsters are cohorts of Satan deceiving people. Tying people down in fear, unforgiveness, malice, bitterness. All the things that Christ freed people from the so called deliverances ministries are robbing people back in there.

E.g. Mountain of Fire. Their members suspects everyone around to be a witch. Their mothers fathers siblings, neighbours, friends colleagues at work. Everyone is a suspected witch. They live in fear of witches and wizards. They talk more about satan than they talk about Christ.

701ecilana:


Not everyone in Church is a Christian. Am aware of fakes and babes in Christ.

And, not every Christian has the Holy Spirit, some have Him but don't know how to harness his power. And, no I didn't say growth in the Holy Spirit. We don't grow in the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says, be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. We get born again in our Spirits, by having a new life which only the Holy Spirit can give, but transforming who we use to be to align with what we hear from the word if God, is our duty. Renewing our minds is our responsibility. This is growth. Being able to put our bodies under subjection is the growth and talking about.

My personal fasting days is Monday. My Church fasts every Wednesday of every week. And three days to start every month. My Church prays 1hr every morning and every evening of every day except Sundays, that's two hrs everyday. This does not include my personal prayer time. So yes, we fast and we pray often.

The Holy Spirit has stages and levels? DO you even know what you are talking about?
Pls enlighten me about the stages and levels of the Holy Spirit.

Were the sons of sceva believers? Didn't you read it is said that they were vagabonds?


Then certain of the vagabond Jews, exorcists, took upon them to call over them which had evil spirits the name of the LORD Jesus, saying, We adjure you by Jesus whom Paul preacheth.
Acts:19:13

And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are ye?
Acts:19:15

Do Christians practice Exorcism? We do deliverance not Exorcism.

Many of the so called deliverance minsters are cohorts of Satan deceiving people. Tying people down in fear, unforgiveness, malice, bitterness. All the things that Christ freed people from the so called deliverances ministries are robbing people back in there.

E.g. Mountain of Fire. Their members suspects everyone around to be a witch. Their mothers fathers siblings, neighbours, friends colleagues at work. Everyone is a suspected witch. They live in fear of witches and wizards. They talk more about satan than they talk about Christ.

unhmmh, you would have just said that you have issues with some churches, now I understand you better. And you are just one of the many reasons why we preach love within the churches. May the Holy Spirit put love in your heart towards your brethren in the fold, Amen.

Tosinex:
unhmmh, you would have just said that you have issues with some churches, now I understand you better. And you are just one of the many reasons why we preach love within the churches. May the Holy Spirit put love in your heart towards your brethren in the fold, Amen.

I don't have issues with any church, but i have issues with them preaching error.

God bless you Bro Charles. Waiting eagerly for the part 2

701ecilana:

I don't have issues with any church, but i have issues with them preaching error.

To be quite honest, I don't think there is a church out there without an element of 'error' which is often from their doctrines or core beliefs.

In my journey, I have found that God may allow one pass through a certain church for his own plan and purpose. I have met very fine Christians from Cele like I have from RCCG, Winners or MFM.

So long as you have a relationship with Christ, he will steer your life as he planned but for sure, to bring you to an expected end.

Processor01:


To be quite honest, I don't think there is a church out there without an element of 'error' which is often from their doctrines or core beliefs.

In my journey, I have found that God may allow one pass through a certain church for his own plan and purpose. I have met very fine Christians from Cele like I have from RCCG, Winners or MFM.

So long as you have a relationship with Christ, he will steer your life as he planned but for sure, to bring you to an expected end.

Yes, i agree. The error is not in people in these places, but in those who set these places up, maybe because of their understanding and perceptions of principles and ordinances of and in the Scriptures.
Most people breath superstitions into Christianity and make their followers who may not have the time to search out the Scriptures for themselves or, the sheep believes in the infallibility of the shepherd hence, believes him hook, line and sinker.

It is very imperative that we take out time to search out scriptures for ourselves, compare what we are taught with what the Bible says, and check if the scriptures are used within context or not

Satan is very crafty. I have sat under pastors who summersaults scriptures and twist them to mean what they want them to mean. When a Scripture is taken out of context, it will mean whatever the user wants. That's why it's said that It's a two edge sword, it cuts both ways.

Why i was drawn into this thread was the guy talking about believers yawning while praying, and a guy said we yawn out or emit demons out of us while praying, and the other guy saying, a demon can live inside the same body with the Holy Spirit doing their things concorrently. Wow. Light and darkness cohabiting. The Holy is cleaning, while satan is defiling at the same time. Hahahahahahaha. No.
This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. It's complete superstition and has no bases in the Scriptures.

See? This is why believers are saved but are still under the oppression of sickness and disease. They believe satan still has power over them, they believe they can't live above sin and Satan.

When the Word says "By His stripes they are healed", it sounds like jagon to them. Their healing is right in front of them, they can't see it, so can't take it. They complain, murmurs and get offended at God for allowing sickness ravish them, while all the while, their healing and health has been bought and paid for.

Believers believe satan more than they believe God, because the Shepherd over them bombards them every day with what satan can do and very less of what God has done and is doing.

This is why i mentioned Mountain of fire. I have been close to them. If you are not careful, you get robed back into what Christ redeemed you from.

Christ redeemed us from fear of satan, sin and death. Those people are magnifying satan and death. Those people talks so much of the devil and builds a gigantic throne and sits him there. Mountain of fire makes people live in fear of what witches and wizards can do. The Holy Spirit and His activities are not mentioned there.

I have them as neighbours and friends. Wonderful. Everyone and everything is a witch sent to kill them. Living in suspicion of everyone, thereby living in malice, unforgiveness and hatred.
These are the same things we are redeemed from.

Why are Christians thought to fear death? Hasn't Christ Conquered death? Is satan more powerful than Christ?

Why are the so called deliverance Churches hung up on satan and his activities? Satan seem to have the center stage there, why?

Preach the gospel of love. When we love, we crush satan. He can not walk in love, when we walk in love of others, especially those whom satan is using against us, we destabilise satan, because that's not what he expects from us. He expects that we all will remain victims under him, doing his biddings, but when we do the opposites, it throws him off balance.

Why are the people who are meant to teach us what to do to defeat satan teaching us what to do in order to remain captives under satan?

Dreams...

1. Please what does it mean to move some clothes and pillow from the house and taking them to someone as if you borrowed them before? On the way, you stopped for a little while when you sighted a pretty lady. After sometime, you continued the journey to return the load, but woke up before you reach there because of the sound of fan rotating due to power supply restored.

2. What does it mean to see, talk, shake hands or help a dead person in the dream?

3. Is it wrong to eat your own food/drink in your house that you cooked yourself or inside your fridge in the dream? If so, please what's the implication?

701ecilana:

Yes, i agree. The error is not in people in these places, but in those who set these places up, maybe because of their understanding and perceptions of principles and ordinances of and in the Scriptures.
Most people breath superstitions into Christianity and make their followers who may not have the time to search out the Scriptures for themselves or, the sheep believes in the infallibility of the shepherd hence, believes him hook, line and sinker.

It is very imperative that we take out time to search out scriptures for ourselves, compare what we are taught with what the Bible says, and check if the scriptures are used within context or not

Satan is very crafty. I have sat under pastors who summersaults scriptures and twist them to mean what they want them to mean. When a Scripture is taken out of context, it will mean whatever the user wants. That's why it's said that It's a two edge sword, it cuts both ways.

Why i was drawn into this thread was the guy talking about believers yawning while praying, and a guy said we yawn out or emit demons out of us while praying, and the other guy saying, a demon can live inside the same body with the Holy Spirit doing their things concorrently. Wow. Light and darkness cohabiting. The Holy is cleaning, while satan is defiling at the same time. Hahahahahahaha. No.
This is the most ridiculous thing i have ever heard. It's complete superstition and has no bases in the Scriptures.

See? This is why believers are saved but are still under the oppression of sickness and disease. They believe satan still has power over them, they believe they can't live above sin and Satan.

When the Word says "By His stripes they are healed", it sounds like jagon to them. Their healing is right in front of them, they can't see it, so can't take it. They complain, murmurs and get offended at God for allowing sickness ravish them, while all the while, their healing and health has been bought and paid for.

Believers believe satan more than they believe God, because the Shepherd over them bombards them every day with what satan can do and very less of what God has done and is doing.

This is why i mentioned Mountain of fire. I have been close to them. If you are not careful, you get robed back into what Christ redeemed you from.

Christ redeemed us from fear of satan, sin and death. Those people are magnifying satan and death. Those people talks so much of the devil and builds a gigantic throne and sits him there. Mountain of fire makes people live in fear of what witches and wizards can do. The Holy Spirit and His activities are not mentioned there.

I have them as neighbours and friends. Wonderful. Everyone and everything is a witch sent to kill them. Living in suspicion of everyone, thereby living in malice, unforgiveness and hatred.
These are the same things we are redeemed from.

Why are Christians thought to fear death? Hasn't Christ Conquered death? Is satan more powerful than Christ?

Why are the so called deliverance Churches hung up on satan and his activities? Satan seem to have the center stage there, why?

Preach the gospel of love. When we love, we crush satan. He can not walk in love, when we walk in love of others, especially those whom satan is using against us, we destabilise satan, because that's not what he expects from us. He expects that we all will remain victims under him, doing his biddings, but when we do the opposites, it throws him off balance.

Why are the people who are meant to teach us what to do to defeat satan teaching us what to do in order to remain captives under satan?

I completely agree with everything you wrote and sincerely, it hurts.

In fact, i have had to read the book of Acts again just to be sure i don't have gaps in my knowledge but no where do you see even the gentiles who were formerly into idol worshipping and all sorts go for deliverance after converting to christ. I was shocked that neither Paul nor the apostles who walked with christ practiced this demon/holy spirit habitation as we are made to believe today.

I am always open to learn but it has to be based on scriptural teaching and not on any mans 'new knowledge'.

But please may i ask that we refrain from mentioning names of churches since this could lead to an offense to our brethren here then we also would no longer be walking in love.

Processor01:


I completely agree with everything you wrote and sincerely, it hurts.

In fact, i have had to read the book of Acts again just to be sure i don't have gaps in my knowledge but no where do you see even the gentiles who were formerly into idol worshipping and all sorts go for deliverance after converting to christ. I was shocked that neither Paul nor the apostles who walked with christ practiced this demon/holy spirit habitation as we are made to believe today.

I am always open to learn but it has to be based on scriptural teaching and not on any mans 'new knowledge'.

But please may i ask that we refrain from mentioning names of churches since this could lead to an offense to our brethren here then we also would no longer be walking in love.

That's the thing. Politically correctness or is it religious correctness now? Someone is doing something wrong, leading people in error, but no, pls don't mention him by name because we shouldn't offend them. Wow.

Satan likes this a lot. Islam is perpetrating evil everywhere in the world today because the world in a bit not to offend muslims won't say it the way it is.

When Apstle Paul caught Peter in error, what did he do? Did he patronise Peter by being politically correct or Called him out? Remember in everything, Peter senior Paul. In age, ministry and experience, yet Paul called him out and rebuked him and the error was corrected.
If everyone knows that they will be called out for preaching error, the errors in the body of Christ today won't be or will be reduced.

Dearest brother, call a Spade a Spade, not a gardening tool.

701ecilana:

That's the thing. Politically correctness or is it religious correctness now? Someone is doing something wrong, leading people in error, but no, pls don't mention him by name because we shouldn't offend them. Wow.

Satan likes this a lot. Islam is perpetrating evil everywhere in the world today because the world in a bit not to offend muslims won't say it the way it is.

When Apstle Paul caught Peter in error, what did he do? Did he patronise Peter by being politically correct or Called him out? Remember in everything, Peter senior Paul. In age, ministry and experience, yet Paul called him out and rebuked him and the error was corrected.
If everyone knows that they will be called out for preaching error, the errors in the body of Christ today won't be or will be reduced.

Dearest brother, call a Spade a Spade, not a gardening tool.

Certainly not me - I never try to be politically correct.

To be honest, i once used to be like this, a 'crusader' for the kingdom but i have come to realize we all know in part. I went about calling out different assemblies of believers in Nigeria but i found that i wasn't growing nor walking in love. You see, after my conversion, i started off in church that had similar practices with white garment churches (my posts are on nairaland and unedited), and in that gathering, i met very fine christians. All through my time there God was working seriously in my life and i never really questioned much about the church until the day God decided to open my eyes and march me out.

I will call a spade a spade by addressing the issue or doctrine being discussed but i have come to realize that name calling does not do any good. And speaking of the case of Peter and Paul, Paul addressed the issue once but never went around talking down the church in Jerusalem. Peter had walked with Christ himself but still didn't get it and so is it with some people that might have been long in the faith but still don't get the finished work of christ - not like i completely do though.

Dear sister, let us address the concerns before us and who knows, maybe God has set this as an opportunity for us to learn. That's why i am willing and happy to discuss with anyone here but i won't talk down on his family (church) since i have no business with them for now.

I had a very interesting discussion here on similar topic with @shadeyinka and even though we did not necessarily agree on everything, it helped me to query my beliefs and opened my eyes to some areas which i am still exploring and asking the holy spirit questions.

I read some things on these thread and i marvel at how some people results to name calling of churches and go on to castigate them.

While a lot of us, Just sit down with the writings of the new testament and discard the old while picking the promises of how God and using it and discarding the not so nice ones as we are in the time of grace.

Now, To every ministry there are peculiarities and how they decide to disseminate to their members and how they interpret it, is basically their business. You dont believe in deliverance good for you. You had an encounter with God and immediately you dropped all your bad habit woow. Wonderful.

I remember a particular person on these thread who had reservations about a particular man of God and she wouldnt even listen to him. But the day the lord had an encounter with her and reveal who the man is to her, she became a member and right now she is waxing strong in that denomination.

We are believers but definitely not grace mates, same thing you are doing another man is doing and achieving greater rewards, same prayer you pray is the same men of God pray and testimonies abound.. All these talk about we are all possess same level of Grace is not true.

Lastly,

I would leave you with these scripture

“The Spirit of the Lord is on Me, because He has anointed Me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent Me to proclaim deliverance to the captives and recovery of sight to the blind, to release the oppressed"

Luke 4:18

Processor01:


Certainly not me - I never try to be politically correct.

To be honest, i once used to be like this, a 'crusader' for the kingdom but i have come to realize we all know in part. I went about calling out different assemblies of believers in Nigeria but i found that i wasn't growing nor walking in love. You see, after my conversion, i started off in church that had similar practices with white garment churches (my posts are on nairaland and unedited), and in that gathering, i met very fine christians. All through my time there God was working seriously in my life and i never really questioned much about the church until the day God decided to open my eyes and march me out.

I will call a spade a spade by addressing the issue or doctrine being discussed but i have come to realize that name calling does not do any good. And speaking of the case of Peter and Paul, Paul addressed the issue once but never went around talking down the church in Jerusalem. Peter had walked with Christ himself but still didn't get it and so is it with some people that might have been long in the faith but still don't get the finished work of christ - not like i completely do though.

Dear sister, let us address the concerns before us and who knows, maybe God has set this as an opportunity for us to learn. That's why i am willing and happy to discuss with anyone here but i won't talk down on his family (church) since i have no business with them for now.

I had a very interesting discussion here on similar topic with @shadeyinka and even though we did not necessarily agree on everything, it helped me to query my beliefs and opened my eyes to some areas which i am still exploring and asking the holy spirit questions.

Okay brother, i drop the name calling. But i raised issues ytoi nah. The issues i raised are my concerns. Christians who shd be free because Christ bought their freedom are being willingly led back into bandage of fear.

This is my concern. How do we help the brethren see that they are free indeed?

Processor01:


Certainly not me - I never try to be politically correct.

To be honest, i once used to be like this, a 'crusader' for the kingdom but i have come to realize we all know in part. I went about calling out different assemblies of believers in Nigeria but i found that i wasn't growing nor walking in love. You see, after my conversion, i started off in church that had similar practices with white garment churches (my posts are on nairaland and unedited), and in that gathering, i met very fine christians. All through my time there God was working seriously in my life and i never really questioned much about the church until the day God decided to open my eyes and march me out.

I will call a spade a spade by addressing the issue or doctrine being discussed but i have come to realize that name calling does not do any good. And speaking of the case of Peter and Paul, Paul addressed the issue once but never went around talking down the church in Jerusalem. Peter had walked with Christ himself but still didn't get it and so is it with some people that might have been long in the faith but still don't get the finished work of christ - not like i completely do though.

Dear sister, let us address the concerns before us and who knows, maybe God has set this as an opportunity for us to learn. That's why i am willing and happy to discuss with anyone here but i won't talk down on his family (church) since i have no business with them for now.

I had a very interesting discussion here on similar topic with @shadeyinka and even though we did not necessarily agree on everything, it helped me to query my beliefs and opened my eyes to some areas which i am still exploring and asking the holy spirit questions.

And, how do you know am a sister?

701ecilana:

Okay brother, i drop the name calling. But i raised issues ytoi nah. The issues i raised are my concerns. Christians who shd be free because Christ bought their freedom are being willingly led back into bandage of fear.

This is my concern. How do we help the brethren see that they are free indeed?

Thanks

Our little work is to plant and water the truth of God's word and salvation in their hearts by engaging in discussions, then the holy spirit will do the rest as always.

1 Corinthians 3:6-7 (NKJV)
I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase.
So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase.