LTGEN:
AMMNESTY is going to have a heart attack o ! First JF -17 Second A-29 What will be third ?

hahahaha but the $600 million eh nn for tucano

Sizzorkay:
Officials: Trump greenlights attack planes for Nigeria

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/officials-trump-greenlights-attack-planes-for-nigeria/2017/08/03/a78cc58a-7879-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.b3f9918f3da6

Great News...
Hopefully there's much more to the deal though considering the cost. That is relative to the afghans purchase.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/15/a29-super-tucanos-see-first-action-afghanistan.html

gboye1999:


Great News...
Hopefully there's much more to the deal though considering the cost. That is relative to the afghans purchase.

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/04/15/a29-super-tucanos-see-first-action-afghanistan.html

Why is this our contract quite high? I can't quite figure it out.

Sizzorkay:
Officials: Trump greenlights attack planes for Nigeria

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/officials-trump-greenlights-attack-planes-for-nigeria/2017/08/03/a78cc58a-7879-11e7-8c17-533c52b2f014_story.html?utm_term=.b3f9918f3da6

I don't really understand, thats means the congress can no more block it ?

kabe1:


Why is this our contract quite high? I can't quite figure it out.

"The department notified the US Congress, which has 30 days to approve the deal, of the $593 million foreign military sale on 2 August. The package includes the aircraft, weapons, training, spare parts and facilities to support the programme, according to a 3 August announced by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-approves-a-29-sale-to-nigeria-despite-concerns-439980/

rka2:


"The department notified the US Congress, which has 30 days to approve the deal, of the $593 million foreign military sale on 2 August. The package includes the aircraft, weapons, training, spare parts and facilities to support the programme, according to a 3 August announced by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-approves-a-29-sale-to-nigeria-despite-concerns-439980/

Thank you.

What is your opinion of this deal, do you like it?

kabe1:


Thank you.

What is your opinion of this deal, do you like it?

I think it meets our immediate needs, although I fear future sanctions. The Americans are a funny lot.

I wonder what new equipment the COAS is talking about?

In the Nigerian Army Special Forces School Buni Yadi, he took time to inspect some newly acquired equipments, weapon handling and firepower demonstrations by the troops, after taking part in their physical training and exercise
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https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/buratai-visits-frontline-troops-order-strategy-changes/208449.html

rka2:


I think it meets our [b]immediate needs, although I fear future sanctions. [/b]The Americans are a funny lot.

That's my biggest fear. However with the Alpha jets, we kept them flying despite European sanctions in the early 90s, don't you think we can do same with these?

kabe1:


That's my biggest fear. However with the Alpha jets, we kept them flying despite European sanctions in the early 90s, don't you think we can do same with these?

Most probably, although it may mean cannibalising a few to keep others flying to start off with. There is always the possibility of black market parts from Brazil if necessary

Nok234:

I don't really understand, thats means the congress can no more block it ?

Congress can try to block effectively for thirty days, however and this is the Grey area , "45" after 30 days can then issue a waiver. You will then see the hypocrisy of America in action, first they will bring up the RANN bombing on a loop, then they will bring up the Nigerian Military , with Boko Haram and how the American Military helped decimate bh and then finally as has been clearly stated the state where the Planes will be built the Senators will start to cry about the jobs.
I t is not yet uhuru yet but if 45 wants to get this deal done unlike the waffling Obama it means it s a done deal, they however will make Nigeria jump through hoops .

$600 mil for 12 Tucanos...... absolutely ridiculous!!!

For $600 mil you can get:
10-12 Gripen C

14-18 SU30mkm

20-25 JF-17

Let that sink in!!

jln115:
$600 mil for 12 Tucanos...... absolutely ridiculous!!!

For $600 mil you can get:
10-12 Gripen C

14-18 SU30mkm

20-25 JF-17

Let that sink in!!

"The department notified the US Congress, which has 30 days to approve the deal, of the $593 million foreign military sale on 2 August. The package includes the aircraft, weapons, training, spare parts and facilities to support the programme, according to a 3 August announced by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-approves-a-29-sale-to-nigeria-despite-concerns-439980/

jln115:
$600 mil for 12 Tucanos...... absolutely ridiculous!!!

For $600 mil you can get:
10-12 Gripen C

14-18 SU30mkm

20-25 JF-17

Let that sink in!!

You’re talking about unit cost for those aircrafts while this deal includes spares, maintenance and every other lifetime cost you can think of.

Life time cost for those Gripen and Sukhios you’re mentioning will run into billions.

These super Tucanos have a role to play, they can never replace medium and heavyweight fighters same way you guys have gripens but still dream about French Rafales.

I know in the past NAF has acted so silly and clueless but with the kind of leadership they have now, support from government and the amount of pilots and technicians being trained, I am sure they have their eyes set on something big.

kabe1:


Why is this our contract quite high? I can't quite figure it out.

According to Reuters The Super Tucano costs more than $10 million each and the price can go much higher depending on the configuration. So maybe we are going for a mega tucano... http://uk.reuters.com/article/us-usa-nigeria-arms-factbox-idUKKCN0XX09U

But seriously is still very expensive is the price tag for minimum 5 F-35 with some missiles...

Africaken looks like jea is looking forward to the elections

https://videopress.com/v/tCQVXYCq

jln115:
$600 mil for 12 Tucanos...... absolutely ridiculous!!!

For $600 mil you can get:
10-12 Gripen C

14-18 SU30mkm

20-25 JF-17

Let that sink in!!

Abi is it the "facilities" word that is making it expensive?

Egyptian navy exercise with Greece.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJ1W7SrKTrA

Chinese military base officially opens in Djibouti

 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJOVeSxJYyY

China's Base in Djibouti Has a Huge Underground Bunker

Another bad idea
Aren't the Saudis also doing this, Qatar? i wonder why this stuff is allowed.
I'd ask these countries to allow mine to build a base in theirs in return, let's see what they will say to that. I'm pretty sure it would be a big NO
I hate foreign bases in other countries.

newafricaken254:
China's Base in Djibouti Has a Huge Underground Bunker

jakeporeshenko:


You’re talking about unit cost for those aircrafts while this deal includes spares, maintenance and every other lifetime cost you can think of.

Life time cost for those Gripen and Sukhios you’re mentioning will run into billions.

These super Tucanos have a role to play, they can never replace medium and heavyweight fighters same way you guys have gripens but still dream about French Rafales.

I know in the past NAF has acted so silly and clueless but with the kind of leadership they have now, support from government and the amount of pilots and technicians being trained, I am sure they have their eyes set on something big.

Dude we paid just a ball hair under R60 mil a pop for our Gripen, the price also included training,weapons and Saab's maintenance contract which includes not just regular spares and maintenance but also all upgrades when they are made available!!

R600 mil for 12 single engine prop aircraft is ridiculous!!

gabng:


Abi is it the "facilities" word that is making it expensive?

No, it's simply the US milking you for profit!

kabe1:


"The department notified the US Congress, which has 30 days to approve the deal, of the $593 million foreign military sale on 2 August. The package includes the aircraft, weapons, training, spare parts and facilities to support the programme, according to a 3 August announced by the Defense Security Cooperation Agency."

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/us-approves-a-29-sale-to-nigeria-despite-concerns-439980/

Yes and?? Our Gripen cost R60 mil a unit, which included training, weapons, maintenance and all future upgrades as they come available!

jln115:

Yes and?? Our Gripen cost R60 mil a unit, which included training, weapons, maintenance and all future upgrades as they come available!

No, it's not.

The cost of your Gripens do not include upgrades.

jln115:

Dude we paid just a ball hair under R60 mil a pop for our Gripen, the price also included training,weapons and Saab's maintenance contract which includes not just regular spares and maintenance but also all upgrades when they are made available!!

R600 mil for 12 single engine prop aircraft is ridiculous!!

It is a very good deal. We are talking life cycle cost including infrastructure.

kabe1:

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It is a very good deal. We are talking life cycle cost including infrastructure.

Which includes:

The sale also includes all associatedThe sale also includes all associated training, spare parts, aviation and ground support equipment, and hangar, facilities, and infrastructure required to support the program, DSCA said in a statement Friday.

http://www.defenseworld.net/news/20143/Trump_Administration_Approves_12_A_29_Super_Tucanos__Weapons_Sale_To_Nigeria_For__593M#.WYQTUajTVcs

kabe1:


No, it's not.

The cost of your Gripens do not include upgrades.

Ours did it was part of Saab's maintenance contract....I have posted the details with regards to the contract on this thread multiple times.

jln115:

Ours did it was part of Saab's maintenance contract....I have posted the details with regards to the contract on this thread multiple times.

It is our money, how we choose to spend it is completely our problem.

kabe1:


It is a very good deal. We are talking life cycle cost including infrastructure.

Dude how much do you think it costs to maintain a single engine prop aircraft??

Let do some simple math:

Lets say your Tucanos last 10000 flying hours( that's pushing it, will more likely be around 5000-6000 in 30 years)

Average cost per hour is about $500p/h ......but for the sake of this argument we can push it up to $800 to include our fixed and other costs as well like training and weapon costs.



800×10000=800000

Plus the base cost which is $15 mil for the latest Tucano.

That equals $23 mil per aircraft........yet you are paying almost triple that??

kabe1:


It is our money, how we choose to spend it is completely our problem.

You mean how you choose to waste it!!