jakeporeshenko:


I noticed. In fact if you zoom in I think you can see JF17
By the way this was taken during the CAS visit.

The NAF pilot is JF17 qualified

jakeporeshenko:


I noticed. In fact if you zoom in I think you can see JF17
By the way this was taken during the CAS visit.

You are right bro. JF-17 is confirmed and I still believe we are getting nothing less than 15.

One of the reasons I "satisfy" my documents at the SAPS instead of the Post Office

jakeporeshenko:

100 ? You don’t pay attention buddy, Naf conducts thousand of combat sorties per month, I once shared a picture of NAF munitions cache and a c-130 transporting same, 100 is a small number.
Basically

i hope you realized that the counter insurgency war is winding down as boko haram has lost all capacity to wage war. theres no longer any fighting cohesion amongst them so whatever NAF is buying is probably for future use.


anyway too much long talk

Odunayaw:
I don't know how you don't get it
See it like this

We buy them at Surface value of $14m a pop,operate it for 30years
We pay for its full support infrastructure from day 1 and use it for 30years

Both end up at the same expected end

p v q = q v p

******
Or better still u air your view by mailing HQ NAF

Who signs a 30 year contract? You sign short term contracts with options of renewal. There's no guarantee that Coca Cola or even Apple will exist in 30 years time, let alone a company providing aircraft maintenance. Someone somewhere tried to get as much money out of the NAF as possible and they succeeded.

Last few milliseconds of this Mokopa's life....

South Africa's attempt at building a main battle tank in the early 90's. I wonder how far this would have gone.

lionel4power:
$600 million USD for 12 propeller driven aircraft


D.A.M.N.A.T.I.O.N.

What are they offering for goodness sake to warrant such daylight robbery

Are they going to build new hangers?
Are they going to give us production license?
Are they going to supply us 1000 PGMs?
Are they going to base their technical staff here in Nigeria?
how many tonnage of spares would twelve aircraft need In its whole operational life cycle?
or what capabilities does the Tucano have that other aircraft doesn't have?
what sophisticated gadgetry does it bring?
or what sleek aerial maneover does it do that other aircraft cant?

With that amount alone any country can design and build COIN aircraft from scratch, Nigeria included.

For that amount we'll require electronic and visual stealth capabilities while being able to launch ten ballistic nuclear cruise missiles plus it must be hypersonic and should be able to tranverse space and bend time. Since we are the first country to buy turboprop aircraft.

R.U.B.B.I.S.H.

I said earlier:

kikuyu1:
One of the problems we face here is lack of intellectual stimulation. So,guys get bored start crying and throwing things. With that in mind I'll post a subject dear to everyone's heart that's been on my mind for quite a while. It's a test of different
aircraft roles and function,geopolitics, economics and respective threat matrices.
Your task is to buy AF airframes-no army aviation AHs ,strictly FSBs,transport and choppers for the NAF,SAAF and KAF. We can't be Algeria much less Egypt so to keep it real your budget is 2.8 bn $ plus,minus 10% to allow currency fluctuation with a 5 year timeline. Frankly,we're all financially constrained to a certain degree but that's a figure I truly think our respective nations can manage with judicious saving,reallocation and belt tightening over a half decade.
These are NATIONAL ASSETS!! Therefore,even if 2nd hand you should plan for minimum 20 year lifecycle to optimise its utility : which is why India rejected Block 70 F 16s. Allow also for annual 5 year maintenance cost.

Here's my ideal KAF 2022 flight line.

Tejas mk2 14 frames 47.5 mn $ each 3.25 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 YEARS 710 mn $

Air tractor 10 frames 10 mn$ each o,75 mn $ cpfh yearl for 5 years 137.5 mn$

Transport

Aviocar 212 12 frames 5.2 mn $ each 0.9 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 116.4 mn $

C 295 8 frames 35 mn $ each 3.9 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 496 mn $

Y 8 4 frames 35 mn $ each 8 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 500 mn $

Y9 3 frames 45 mn $ each 9 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 270 mn $

Choppers

D hruv 24 frames 15 mn $ each 0.75 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 450 mn $

Mi 26 3 frames 28 mn $ each 9 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 219 mn $

Mi 38 12 frames 20 mn $ each 2.1 mn $ cpfh yearly for 5 years 372 mn $


GRAND TOTAL 3.3 BN $ I broke the dciking bank! AIYAYAYA!! Btw,we have no Sues,heavy lift or other big ticket items. We haven't even considered SAMs,ground radars or support facilities. I hope you see the cost implications of tac air-its too easy to say we need a couple of Su 35s or FA 18s for our neck of the woods.- REALLY? ? IF ANYTHING I HOPE WE ALL SEE THE LONG FINANCIAL PLANNING THAT GOES INTO ACQUISITION OF ANY MODERN COMBAT SYSTEM. Hopefully,that will kill or reduce the rampant fanboyism.
Most figures from here http://nationsdawnofanera.weebly.com/-helicopters.html

Critique, everyone. In the meantime start your SAAF and NAF. At least try to respond in this format.

With all that money spent we still don't have heavy lift or twin engine FSBs and are using Tejas 2s as multirole jets-doable in Africa. We can only lift a reinforced inf brigade at a time using 80% of all our transport! A combi of Dhruvs,with larger internal volume than anything in its class and Mi 38s,MI 17 successor can however combat assault a battalion at a time.
There are also associated costs indirect costs-do you need hangars for your 50 mn$ airframes? You've all seen what happened to the Chadian airforce in that once-in-50-years sandstorm but have you heard of 'skincreep,' I think the term is? The differential heating and cooling of fuselages degrades million dollar systems,the electro optics,targeting pods etc etc.

Do you get acquire a metal aircraft shelter or construct a hardened shelter?
For the AF you guys all want you'd have to spend on Algerian levels! Chkil0,had an infograph of their spending-can't find it.
This is why its true as someone said the Grips will "fly til they fall out of the sky." Its over a decade since their induction and still no whisper of new airframes-if there's smth new on the horizon,pls don't shoot!

If there's one lesson its this; YOU CAN BUY AIR FRAMES,BUT NOT THE AIR FORCE,AND IT FCUKKING COSTS!

That figure must account for hardened hangar or reinforced shelter construction.

newafricaken254:
before tin foil post the video of kenyan soldier being executed by alshabaab ,let me inform everyone that alshabaab released the video

SIGHHHHHH,why can't you just ignore this dude!? He wants attention so desperately its not even funny. Don't take this the wrong way but I'm making an assumption based on all the time you spend in here:have you ever ignored a chick? A true hottie like this,constantly surrounded by fools,gays,clowns and orbiters offering to drink her bathwater/pay for her holiday in Australia or Switzerland?
When you do,she learns a shocking truth-she's not that interesting. The fact that not everyone wants to but her a drink or listen to her life story is so shocking she may end up in therapy. This works with women cause she unconsciously tries to qualify herself and approaches and before you know it she trips over her own thong,but that's another story. Why do you engage this dude? His real problem is the knowledge that Zoomaliya will take a century minimum before it can even attempt a regional brigade level force projection exercise like the KDF did-that's his real problem;especially after years of cultural conditioning of how Somalis are prettier,smarter and braver than Bantus.
Your engagement is the only thing keeping Abdi here. I'm sorry to say I watched the video and when its time to go out,we should all go like Leonard Maingi.

lionel4power:
It just cant cost that much.

EXCEPT we get production rights... anything else is a rip-off.

some people here keep mentioning 'maintenance assistance, infrastructure, training, spares, guided munitions and aircraft technical bla bla bla' like it's a magic word... what sort of infrastructure is that? are they going to build us hardened bombproof hangers? what sort ground support does the Tucano utilize? is it stealth or what?

Spares? what spares?

how much does 100 guided missile munitions cost (AGM-65 Maverick or Paveway II) to warrant such cost??

dont let big grammars deceive you. WE ARE BEING S.W.I.N.D.L.E.D BECAUSE WE ARE JUST PLAIN G.U.L.L.I.B.L.E.

some say there's a 'special package' coming to us... please which special package in operating a propeller aircraft? please i dont understand. what difference is the tucano from our air Beatles and super mushshak in terms of operations? is it that we haven't learnt anything from our YEARS of operating propeller aircraft?

I get upset each time I come across that special package B.S, when a report online clearly states that the tucanos would come with the most basic configuration.

beegeagle had this to say on the proposed frogfoot and SOCAT deal

That is CRIMINALITY of the most astonishing kind. Six Su-25s and six armed Puma (supposedly the Puma Socat which I have highlighted on this blog previously), all of them pre-owned, CANNOT and should not cost us US$200m. Not even if they are upgraded by ELBIT of Israel.So it is 100% deal and 130% scam. For US$466m, we can get– eight upgraded Flankers for 150m USD– eight new Mi-171Sh Terminator assault helics for 160m USD and which are far more potent and carry twice as many troops as a Puma SOCAT– twelve upgraded Su-25KM/UB for 120m USD.That leaves us with a complete and potent array of 28 air superiority jets, ground attack jets and assault helics for US$430 MILLION, leaving a balance of 30m USD for ordnance.Shame, shame, shame. Somebody ask Chad and Niger how much they paid for their Su-25s, Niger having acquired theirs in 2014. Chei !! This is one more reason why many cynics continue to posit that the so called secrecy which notoriously bedevils military procurement in Nigeria is a convenient smokescreen for the perpetration of sharp practice on a hideous scale.God forbid.

IbnSultaan:

The NAF pilot is JF17 qualified

Or the birds are already here cos 4 days ago NAF told residents of Maiduguri not to panick when they see their aircrafts flying at night. Or are our Alpha Jets capable of flying at night?

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nnorth-east/239087-nigerian-air-force-allays-fears-night-flights-maiduguri.html

Which jet fighter pilot?

lionel4power:
i hope you realized that the counter insurgency war is winding down as boko haram has lost all capacity to wage war. theres no longer any fighting cohesion amongst them so whatever NAF is buying is probably for future use.


anyway too much long talk

You still aren’t paying attention buddy, we are discussing Nigeria, NA and NAF are deployed to several parts of the country simultaneously, weather winding down or completely gone BH is not the only threat facing this country as you know.

Four(4) different boots. One is a footballer(he's even having the physique of a player), one is a true soldier, one is going for service in church(he's still undecided if being a clergy man is his calling or not) and the other one is an artiste.

kikuyu1:


SIGHHHHHH,why can't you just ignore this dude!? He wants attention so desperately its not even funny. Don't take this the wrong way but I'm making an assumption based on all the time you spend in here:have you ever ignored a chick? A true hottie like this,constantly surrounded by fools,gays,clowns and orbiters offering to drink her bathwater/pay for her holiday in Australia or Switzerland?
an Bantus.
.

Just asking, is your post related to the picture ?
Who’s that Aunty in the picture ?
Don’t break this thread

Xbee007:

Or the birds are already here cos 4 days ago NAF told residents of Maiduguri not to panick when they see their aircrafts flying at night. Or are our Alpha Jets capable of flying at night?

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nnorth-east/239087-nigerian-air-force-allays-fears-night-flights-maiduguri.html

That will explain this special visit by the CAS, in fact it looks like he is addressing a very small number of individuals.
The secrecy surrounding these jets should be understood bearing in mind that NAFs biggest fear is an attack on its base were BHTs destroy vulnerable aircrafts on ground.

Xbee007:

Or the birds are already here cos 4 days ago NAF told residents of Maiduguri not to panick when they see their aircrafts flying at night. Or are our Alpha Jets capable of flying at night?

http://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nnorth-east/239087-nigerian-air-force-allays-fears-night-flights-maiduguri.html

I wonder how many weeks the Pakistani mean by "few weeks"

Namibian officials with a military escort on the border with Botswana

Nam army
15th intake 100km route march

Cameroon BIR

gottfried21:
Nam army
15th intake 100km march

100km?

whats the full form of BIR

gottfried21:
Nam army
15th intake 100km march

Are you sure about this? If it was Ethiopia or Kenya I wouldn't be bordered.

nemesis2u:
whats the full form of BIR

Bataillon d'intervention rapide in English it’s rapid intervention battalion.

off topic

how stupid can human beings be ?

answer : infinitely

nemesis2u:
off topic

how stupid can human beings be ?

answer : infinitely

Nemesis don't pretend like you don't wanna take a sniff at a woman's underwear before you die. We all you're beyond redemption

Off topic. South African private Pumas. These guys do plenty of flying in Mali.

jakeporeshenko:

Bataillon d'intervention rapide in English it’s rapid intervention battalion.

In the reverse.

Nigerian Air Force

nemesis2u:
off topic

how stupid can human beings be ?

answer : infinitely

They also want to be "Merchants of Undies“ to the 'Great Beyond'.

This is a new low in this ideology.

Have you guys seen the modified SVBIEDs of ISIL released weeks ago? Alot is happening in Syria and Iraq,that the insurgency in Africa look like child's play.