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Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by liab: 3:22pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Inside Abuja Church Where Tithe, Offering Are Outlawed Source: http://leadership.ng/2017/08/06/inside-abuja-church-tithe-offering-outlawed/ 24 Likes 13 Shares
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Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Jostico: 3:27pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
We all have them here in Nigeria. good o e dey....... bad o e dey. Nigeria is hard to explain 77 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pierocash(m): 3:49pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
End time church.This is a satanic church 33 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by sarrki(m): 3:50pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Herevi come next sunday |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by sarrki(m): 3:51pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Pierocash: My people perished coz of lack of knowledge Malachi 3:10 is old testament 122 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by sarrki(m): 3:52pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Jostico: We are in new testament Old things have passed away 14 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pierocash(m): 3:57pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
sarrki:One JW spotted. Evn in the days of christ ppl pay tithe.Any church misleading u to go contrary to the bible is satanic 43 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by sarrki(m): 4:05pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Pierocash: You must be a worker or benefitting from the tithe 158 Likes 11 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pinkblue(m): 5:08pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
sarrki:my thoughts exactly 95 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pierocash(m): 7:28pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
sarrki:Yes! I am a worker in the House of God and will work for God till i die.On whether i am benefitting from tithe, the answer is emphatic yes, i pay my tithe consistently and have been benefitting frm the blessings of tithing and will continue to benefit the blessing.If u are nt a tither,i advice to tap into such Kingdom principle for financial fortune to be ur portion.No non tither can be blessed.argue it Frm Here till 2mrw,u cannot do anything against the truth bt for the truth 144 Likes 15 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Gloria3389(f): 8:27pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Generation of False knowledge....hmmm 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Nobody: 8:46pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
sarrki:Abraham tithed before the old testament *Not all parts of the section Old testament represents the Old covenant of Moses. Prior to the law given by God Abraham and Isaac had paid tithe. Now to address the post. There I a difference between Alms and Tithe. The Alm is what u gi ve to the poor and tithe what you give to church. Never mix it together. You may not understand the full extent to denying the church funds until it happens. If everyone chooses to give their tithe to the poor the Christian order and power would crash. I was blessed today by TD jakes message and that only happened because some christian somewhere choose to support his ministry with funds which in turn gave him d opportunity to minister to me here in Nigeria. Those Christians may not know me but I am blessed by their sacrifice. 39 Likes 5 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by paschu: 9:25pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Abraham's payment of tithe was recorded once in the entire old testament. This implies that he paid his tithe voluntarily and by God's leading - just like when he sacrificed Isaac. It was not compulsory. Tithe did not become compulsory until the conquest of Canaan and the formal institutionalization of the Levitical Order and Aaronic Priesthood. This Levitical Order coupled with the Aaronic Priesthood, was put aside by the death and resurrection of Christ. So there is no more need for daily burnt offerings and animal sacrifices. No more need for the PROFESSIONAL priesthood. This is actually why Paul said that he would rather die working with his hands than depend solely on the Church for survival. Thus I found it curious when you claimed that Tithe is meant for the Church. Can you please prove that assertion scripturally without going out of context? Please note that I am not in anyway asking anyone to stop paying tithe. But please take this from me, and write it down somewhere. What the Pastor in the OP is doing is the future of the church. That is the ONLY WAY the Church can survive the coming global Anti-Christ movement and large scale uprising against ALL FORMS OF ORGANIZED RELIGION. The KIND OF PRACTICAL SACRIFICIAL LOVE which this Pastor is proclaiming now is the Church's LONE ticket to survival in the coming years. And you can take that to the Bank. One more thing: The Pastor made a profound statement when he said that he cannot teach people that they have to bring money to church BEFORE God can bless them. Friend that's the root of the matter. The idea that you have to STRUGGLE to EARN God's blessings for yourself is the biggest favor the Church is doing the anti-Christ spirit. As times goes on, Science and humanistic advancement in knowledge will make most of these things easily accessible to ALL with little or zero efforts. This commonalization of the so called blessings will make the current teachings of the Organized Church lose its present appeal. In fact this is already happening. And this is what the anti-Christ will capitalize on. The only counter we have is the message of PRACTICAL LOVE (which the OP is proclaiming) and making sure that the Church people start using their minds and embracing real education. Again, the only thing that will prevent the rich, weak or poor church members from embracing the lure of anti-Christ is a timely eradication of the spirit of Selfishness (which is the root of greed and every other evil) and prompt enthronement of the CULTURE OF PRACTICAL LOVE - just as the first disciples did. This is why Jesus said that the only way the world would know that He is with us is when we love each other the way he had loved us and died for us while we were still sinners. The Church of the end time will congregate in tiny circles of influences at homes, work/market places and in the streets. It's not going to be at the cathedrals and huge auditoriums as usual. Professional priesthood is already loosing credibility, soon it will lose influence. Statsocial: 90 Likes 9 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Kondomatic(m): 10:49pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Pierocash:Show me where people paid tithe in the new testament please 39 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Kondomatic(m): 10:50pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Pierocash:No non tither can be blessed? Dangote, Buhari, etc paid tithe to you? Be reasonable please 73 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by kennydee05(m): 11:14pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
I still like my Church where payment of Tithe and offering are acceptable. 15 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Topgainer: 11:53pm On Aug 08, 2017 |
Pierocash:Bishop take it easy, that will not stop this year's Shiloh of CanaanLand. You got followers and a fair share of the Church Market. Acts 4:32-34; Charity and sharing were the keywords in the early Church. In sane countries Churches are registered as Charity organizations and the financial auditing there is as seen in other such organizations/foundations. Acts 6:2 The second thing which the Church was known for is sharing words of encouragement from the Bible. A depressed man walks into a church and leaves with both words of encouragement and provisions for his immediate needs. Such immediate needs primarily do not exceed what we call basic needs of food, clothing and shelter. The sharing of the words takes precedence because it is believed that with soul-lifting words some can be inspired to challenge themselves and proffer solutions to their difficult problems. Today, we have business centers built around a man who says to his sheeples "bring all the money to me, because I and only I, are authorized to share it to the poor, or rather I will invest it for the poor through building Universities, Estates and Cooperations for the poor, they will be employed there " "I am your ordained Levite priest, bring the tithe to me because I own no buildings, lands and businesses of my own" Pastor Edward Olutoke is set to war against the ordained African "Levites" and they will fight to finish to maintain the status quo. They will dig up scriptures to back that the money should be given to the Bishop and the fake Levites who alone know how to share it to the poor. 32 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Topgainer: 12:13am On Aug 09, 2017 |
kennydee05:Remind me again the passage where payment of tithe (indicating money) is in your Bible. The Jews gave tithe and not payed tithe. The things they were asked to give were for the temple store house and the items were grains and farm produce. Not forgetting other aspects of the tithe laws operated then by the Jews like eating it (food) with one's household and friends. Offerings (any % the giver decides) will be given in that Church but instead of going to the Bishop it goes to the members who have needs directly. Angels don't descend from heaven to carry them to God. Christianity teaches that the assessment of God is that something is given out and the acceptance is measured by the cheerfulness /selflessness of the giver. 19 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by MrRhymes101(m): 1:53am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Cost of running the church nko? Maybe it's just a charity organization. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by oruma19: 2:19am On Aug 09, 2017 |
this tithe issue is what will finally cripple the kind of christianity we practice in Nigeria. i have always been against it. tithe payment is the reason we have dissidents, disgruntled elements all over the country in the guise of GOs who go about fleecing their mumu members. their is no fear of God in the land again because people now go to church to "sow" whatever kind of "seed" as they are told and in return expect the returns from whatever means including " ritual killings, drug war, 419, olosho.com, any way is a way, and all sorts of vices. no more righteousness, no more holiness, no more true worship, its all about tithes and offerings. i am still awaiting the so called MOG that will take money from me in the name of tithe. please no one should get it twisted, i love God and give to the work of ministry to grow evangelism but i will never fall to the "tithe doctrine". that one has passed with the resurrection of Christ from the dead and therefore we have a new covenant. tithe collectors never had houses, schools, lands, jets, and all sorts of properties. our present day "priests" need to go back to God and repent.( i wonder if they really believe in the heaven they preach)because if they do, why accumulate so much on earth? are u acculating these wealths for the JW to inherit? lolzz. Quoting the scriptures to favor their pocket will do them no good. in the end all will be vanity and vexation of spirit.... i rest my case 22 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Jengem: 3:48am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Great Initiative 2 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pierocash(m): 5:21am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Kondomatic:Luke 11:42 (New Living Translation), Mathew 23:23 Study the above scriptures from New Living Translation for better understanding.Any man telling u not to tithe is not wishing u well, that is the Devil at work trying to keep u perpetual under demonic control. Bro, u better advice yourself now and stop following satanic agents' destructive advice by making up ur mind today to start tithing consistently, and i promise u that 2 yrs frm now, u wil remember today and thank me for bringing the gospel of prosperity ur way,ur life wil be a wonder evn to ur own self 5 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pierocash(m): 5:35am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Kondomatic:that is how Devil deceive ppl. Bro there are 2 kingdoms that exist. God's Kingdom, and satanic Kingdom. They both operate on spiritual laws, they are guided by principles either scriptural or demonic principles. On whether Buhari and Dangote pay tithe?I will tell u Yes! U dont knw the Kingdom these guys belong to,occult men pay their tithe to their kingdoms ,infact they pay higher and burdensome tithe because the devil has no mercy,if u violate his own laws u face the wrath instantly.Bt God is merciful, he keeps showing luv to those that are stil violating the scripture, bt there is a limit to mercy. I advice u today ,to start tithing frm today cos that is whr ur fortune is tied to.Stop using occult men as ur standard of living because they also pay their dues to their kingdom 15 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by I888(m): 5:49am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Statsocial: How many tithes does Bill Gates pay? How many tithes does Mark Zuckerberg pay, Jack Ma, Richard Brandson, Donald Trump, Elon Musk...Oprah Winfrey, Micheal Jackson...? I know you people like to equate tithing to success. Same tithes that is paid to God's work is same tithe pastors will deep their hands into to buy expensive items while giving workers peanuts( work of God). Why aren't these churches building vocational centers for members to acquire skills for free? Why? Why? Why? Every program organised are designed to get more out of them... I have no problem with a pastor being rich but there should a LIMIT. Yes, a LIMIT. Oyedepo's wealth is forking too much... damn too much for man whose wealth is in heaven according to the bible. That money is enough to build research and tech hubs. Stop being sentimental and call a spade a spade. 32 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Pierocash(m): 5:49am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Bro stop been misled by the devil,Bishop Oyedepo himself pays tithe ,paying tithe in church is not same as paying to ur pastor.Men of God are custodians of God's treasures, what they do with it is no man's business.Are u the one that called them?They are answerable to no man but God so stop asking what they do with tithe, that is left for God to question them if they misuse or embezle them.As long as i agree there are business men on the alter who called themselves to that business of collecting peoples money in the name of tithe and offering, but that does not make u discredit the commandment of tithing.If u have not been tithing b4 now, i encourage u to locate a bible believing church and start paying ur tithe frm today and watch how God wil make u a living wonder Topgainer: 3 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by AgentGoat: 5:56am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Pierocash:its devil that bless dangote and buhari? 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Raintaker(m): 6:42am On Aug 09, 2017 |
;DThere is a pastor on this thread that is doing his best to protect the business. Lol Dangote and Buhari are occultic men? What won't I see on this forum? 23 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by babythug(f): 7:19am On Aug 09, 2017 |
While I agree that some churches have abused the concept of tithes and offerings, i still don't get the logic in a church not accepting it. For one where will the finds to run the church come from? Even the goal of this church which is to help the needy where will the funds be sourced from? There is something odd about the whole thing. I suspect members will be pressured to give in other forms and will end up donating more than tithes and offerings 6 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by juman(m): 7:33am On Aug 09, 2017 |
MrRhymes101: It means tithes and offering are too small. The members will contribute money even through their noses. The pastor would get bigger money from that. 1 Like |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by Nobody: 7:40am On Aug 09, 2017 |
Tithing is a practice that should naturally have NOTHING to do with christianity as a religion. Why did the Jews REALLY practice it in the first place? Answer: Use the tithes to support the PRIESTS(levites) who were in those times,NOT allowed to have any other means of livelihood asides being full-time priests under the laws guiding priesthood (see Leviticus 10:7). Why it was introduced into christianity remains a huge mystery to me. And if you see my moniker and decide to quote me thinking I am muslim attacking christianity,then you are just a ton of simple things. A simpleton. Yeah,some guys guys are that dvmb. 17 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by WORLDPEACE(m): 7:51am On Aug 09, 2017 |
babythug:Non profit organizations around the world survive on donations. Nobody mandates Bill Gates or Dangote to give a tenth of their earnings to charities. They choose to give whatever amount they like. That is how churches have been surviving all through history. It is the One- man-Business nature of Pentecostal churches that makes them promote paying of tithe. 12 Likes |
Re: Givers Embassy: Abuja Church Where Tithes And Offerings Are Not Allowed by peeps4u: 8:07am On Aug 09, 2017 |
For those saying tithe is different from alms and tithe is what is given to the church, can you establish this with biblical references? Tithe was enacted through levitical and aronical laws, these laws and other practices, like sacrifices with animals, were aborted through the coming and death of Jesus Christ. Go and read Hebrews, probably from chapter 7, if you have no time to read from the beginning. Tithes, like using rams for sacrifices, were old time practices which have been terminated by Jesus and shouldn't exist in our churches anymore. As for the claims that God blesses when you pay tithe, it is all frictitious, God blesses today without your tithes, if he doesn't, why are tithers not the richest? why are muslims and atheists who don't pay tithes blessed? God doesn't need your tithes before he blesses you. Your tithes go to your pastors and not to God, that is why your pastors are mostly the richest in their respective churches; they collect one-tenths form each member while each member manages with the rest nine-tenths. Most Pastors grow richer than members while the members aren't at par with them, not because God blesses the pastors more but because pastors keep getting their one-tenths every month, this is different from special offerings. 20 Likes 1 Share |
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