The Igwe must here this, okafor tell the Igwe that am coming.

slimthugchimee:
here

Section 251 of the Constitution also states; Any person who, not being a person serving in any of the armed or police forces of Nigeria, wears the uniform of any of these forces, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinc­tive marks of any such uniform, in such manner or in such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt on that uniform, or employs any other person so to wear such uniform or dress, is guilty of a simple offence, and is liable to imprisonment for three months

Can you not see the part that says" in such a manner"

That shows that wearing it isn't the crime but if they prove that the manner in which you did so is bad.


Don't forget also the law offers the option of paying a very small fine even if convicted.

Ndubuisi2580:
[img][/img] it's only in Nigeria and Africa that the military brutalise their citizen...the same stupid military will see you on camouflage in Europe and tell you that it's beautiful..

We've seen you sir but here in Nigeria, the law frowns at it.

Hassan080196:



You can also take gun and go to Sambisa forest now. You that have strenght . Mumu oshi

Na the same wasted army dey supervise Sambisa

Tofunmidami:



GET sense....you are thinking with your leg youth are not giving right to use gun to protect see the numbers of killing what if they are giving as you have said you are so stupid that you have to think with your leg....if we don't have the brave once who will wsnt to save the country and not a stupid one like you who think with his leg where will out country be


You as a doctor who for your own interest and any other profession....A soldier man know is not what the country have to offer him but what he have to offer is country...if not for them how will you be able to sleep peacefully

GET SENSE [color=#990000][/color]

PLEASE DO NOT ANSWER HER, SHE IS JUST PRESUMPTUOUS. SEE THE PLENTY MATTER SHE RAISED OVER JUST THIS ONE MATTER. NA THIS KIND PERSON YOU WANT TALK WITH. SHE WILL SOON TAKE YOU INTO ISSUES THAT IS VERY FAR FAR AWAY FROM THIS TOPIC. JUST CHECK HER NEXT REPLY AND SEE WHERE SHE WILL TAKE THIS TOPIC TO.

ofai:


Dude she is guilty. However, The army should have applied a more civil approach than stripping her in public.

the army is not a civil authority lol

Bukast:
. Yes there is a law guiding the wear of camouflages. And the punishment is imprisonment. Don't forget it is also written law that ignorance of the law is not an excuse. Though I'm not in support of stripping her.

There is also a law protecting the rights of citizens. Even suspects or accused persons!
INGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE!!!

Smallville10:
I hope as e collect d clothe, money have enter his bank account...


Idiot! No go fight boko haram, u dey here dey harrass woman

Anyhow talk fall on you.

kilojoDesigns:


be smart, go and check any country they respect their army. these are people that willingly put themselves in harms way for your safety. the fact that you can be here typing instead of running into bushes escaping from boko haram means that they are not the wasted army like you say.
smh

now to the issue obviously what she did was Def wrong, she can't claim ignorance either. some things are meant to be respected the army dress is a symbol of authority wearing it is like wearing a police Uniform when you are not it's wrong on all levels.
how they handled it could have been better and more decent.

Oga, Nigerian Soldiers no get right to embarrass Nigerian Citizens for wearing a camouflage. If they are educated enough, they will know it's very wrong to publicly un-dress a guy or a lady for putting on a camouflage. I've been to other West African countries, and I've seen the way they do things there. The soldiers should've arrested the lady and handed her over to the police.

slimthugchimee:

Section 251 of the Constitution also states; Any person who, not being a person serving in any of the armed or police forces of Nigeria, wears the uniform of any of these forces, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinc­tive marks of any such uniform, in such manner or in such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt on that uniform, or employs any other person so to wear such uniform or dress, is guilty of a simple offence, and is liable to imprisonment for three months

Shut your mouth . Do you know what a constitution is? Illiterate!! You wasted all your years in school and still have an emply block head.
Not only are you ignorant you are a liar.

This is section 251 of our constitution following and has nothing to do with uniforms. Constitutions generally do not list crimes.

251. (1) Notwithstanding anything to the contained in this Constitution and in addition to such other jurisdiction as may be conferred upon it by an Act of the National Assembly, the Federal High Court shall have and exercise jurisdiction to the exclusion of any other court in civil causes and matters -

(a) relating to the revenue of the Government of the Federation in which the said Government or any organ thereof or a person suing or being sued on behalf of the said Government is a party;

(b) connected with or pertaining to the taxation of companies and other bodies established or carrying on business in Nigeria and all other persons subject to Federal taxation;

(c) connected with or pertaining to customs and excise duties and export duties, including any claim by or against the Nigeria Customs Service or any member or officer thereof, arising from the performance of any duty imposed under any regulation relating to customs and excise duties and export duties;

(d) connected with or pertaining to banking, banks, other financial institutions, including any action between one bank and another, any action by or against the Central Bank of Nigeria arising from banking, foreign exchange, coinage, legal tender, bills of exchange, letters of credit, promissory notes and other fiscal measures:

Provided that this paragraph shall not apply to any dispute between an individual customer and his bank in respect of transactions between the individual customer and the bank;

(e) arising from the operation of the Companies and Allied Matters Act or any other enactment replacing the Act or regulating the operation of companies incorporated under the Companies and Allied Matters Act;

(f) any Federal enactment relating to copyright, patent, designs, trade marks and passing-off, industrial designs and merchandise marks, business names, commercial and industrial monopolies, combines and trusts, standards of goods and commodities and industrial standards;

(g) any admiralty jurisdiction, including shipping and navigation on the River Niger or River Benue and their affluents and on such other inland waterway as may be designated by any enactment to be an international waterway, all Federal ports, (including the constitution and powers of the ports authorities for Federal ports) and carriage by sea;

(h) diplomatic, consular and trade representation;

(i) citizenship, naturalisation and aliens, deportation of persons who are not citizens of Nigeria, extradition, immigration into and emigration from Nigeria, passports and visas;

(j) bankruptcy and insolvency;

(k) aviation and safety of aircraft.

(l) arms, ammunition and explosives;

(m) drugs and poisons;

(n) mines and minerals (including oil fields, oil mining, geological surveys and natural gas);

(o) weights and measures:

(p) the administration or the management and control of the Federal Government or any of its agencies;

(q) subject to the provisions of this Constitution, the operation and interpretation of this Constitution in so far as it affects the Federal Government or any of its agencies;

(r) any action or proceeding for a declaration or injunction affecting the validity of any executive or administrative action or decision by the Federal Government or any of its agencies; and

(s) such other jurisdiction civil or criminal and whether to the exclusion of any other court or not as may be conferred upon it by an Act of the National Assembly:

Provided that nothing in the provisions of paragraphs (p), (q) and (r) of this subsection shall prevent a person from seeking redress against the Federal Government or any of its agencies in an action for damages, injunction or specific performance where the action is based on any enactment, law or equity.

(2) The Federal High Court shall have and exercise jurisdiction and powers in respect of treason, treasonable felony and allied offences.

(3) The Federal High Court shall also have and exercise jurisdiction and powers in respect of criminal causes and matters in respect of which jurisdiction is conferred by subsection (1) of this section.

slimthugchimee:
here

Section 251 of the Constitution also states; Any person who, not being a person serving in any of the armed or police forces of Nigeria, wears the uniform of any of these forces, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinc­tive marks of any such uniform, in such manner or in such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt on that uniform, or employs any other person so to wear such uniform or dress, is guilty of a simple offence, and is liable to imprisonment for three months

Can you not see the part that says "in such a manner"

That shows that wearing it isn't a crime but only if they prove in court that the manner in which you wore it is an offense.

Also the law offers the option of a very small fine even if found guilty

Tofunmidami:



Now I see so many ignorant fellow in our country...Get sense and ask a primary 5 student he will explain better [color=#990000][/color]

U are the ignorant one!
Even if there is a law against impersonating, is the punishment prescribed by law to strip the suspect in public?

zenmaster:

Na the same wasted army dey supervise Sambisa

You can also be of some help to your country now. Take gun and enter Sambisa forest to kill those bloody book harams.

slimthugchimee:

Section 251 of the Constitution also states; Any person who, not being a person serving in any of the armed or police forces of Nigeria, wears the uniform of any of these forces, or any dress having the appearance or bearing any of the regimental or other distinc­tive marks of any such uniform, in such manner or in such circumstances as to be likely to bring contempt on that uniform, or employs any other person so to wear such uniform or dress, is guilty of a simple offence , and is liable to imprisonment for three months

Good. Now look at the part I highlighted. Since we're here to learn, can you tell me the difference, legally speaking, between a crime and an offence - a simple offence at that?

And by the way, why did you abridge the provisions in the quoted section. The Law supposedly prescribes a penalty of imprisonment for three months OR an option of what? ? ?

Camouflage IS NOT UNIFORM OF THE NIGERIAN ARMY

Smallville10:
I hope as e collect d clothe, money have enter his bank account...


Idiot! No go fight boko haram, u dey here dey harrass woman

its acyually against the law

Hassan080196:



We've seen you sir but here in Nigeria, the law frowns at it.

The same law frowns on them harassing or stripping anyone.


So they also have committed a crime!

easier than fighting Boko Haram, no wonder no country wants to sell them arms

snap the gyal well make I see yansh abeg

sweatlana:

He (the NA) has no right to tell civilians what to wear.
They are not law makers.

Even if it's an offence to impersonate, it the punishment prescribed by law to strip the suspect in public??
How do u justify this ?
In countries where the military men are given the utmost respect, do u ever see where the military men are harassing civilians??

I was in a store in atlanta when a military wife asked if they offer military discount for the things she wanted to buy, another woman in front of her just asked the cashier to charge her for the woman's bill! She paid for everything the woman bought and let a note "thank u for ur service".

We here in Nigeria could never hols us guys in such regard because of the way u treat us!
Follow the goddamn law!
Just because u hold a gun that does not place u above the it!

you just spoiled your speech with she. I was in atlanta Nigeria is not US, US has its own laws, army don't want you to wear their uniform, then don't wear it, you know if that girl was persecuted, she will be on her way to kiri kiri prison by now

aribisala0:

Society especially democratic ones operate on LAW and not right or wrong.
The first part of the law to mention here is enforcement. It is not within the ambit of our law for the Army to act as law enforcement or prosecutors so assuming she had broken any law it is quite simply not the business of any INDIVIDUAL soldier who feels offended. At best he can COMPLAIN to the police. It amounts to criminality when he starts to strip her of the offending garment. That is criminal and actually carries an even heavier penalty than the criminal misuse of military uniform.

What do our laws say about military uniform?
It is specific in prohibiting wearing similar clothes where there is an INTENT in law (mens rea) to mislead one or more people into believing that the wearer is a military personnel. In short where there is no such intent there is NO CRIME. Once again no intent to deceive or mislead NO CRIME. And again in law even where such a person is prosecuted the intent must be proven. Where camouflage is worn in such a way that it is obvious the wearer is not a soldier etc then it is TOTALLY lawful.
The final thing to say is Camouflage is NOT UNIFORM and ideally should not be worn by soldiers in civilian public space. Its purpose is to camouflage in the bush . Many people are still quite young but camouflage is a new thing with the Nigerian Army . They have not always worn it. The Army should stick to their official uniforms and reserve camouflage for when they are in combat.

The other thing is none of this would be happening if the Army did not live in towns and cities with civilians. Taking buses and public transport. We have come to accept this as normal. It is NOT. We should not be seeing soldiers if the country is not at war.
It is a shame our education system is so bad people can not think critically about issues and that is why our politicians are out of control because the citizens are largely ignorant and unintelligent
I would not be surprised to learn it is part of a movie production

YOU HAVE A VERY GOOD POINT BUT ONE THING U MUST KNOW IS INTENTION IS A MATTER FOR THE COURT TO INTERPRET. YOU ONLY KNOW WHAT YOU SEE. YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT YOU DO NOT SEE; YOU ASSUME THE REST. TIGHT TROUSERS, ASSUMPTION, COMOUFLAGE NOT BEEN UNIFORMS, ASSUMPTION. LET THE COURT DECIDE.

sweatlana:

Fùck that!
It is written law that a person cannot be punished for a crime not know to law and punishment therein prescribed.
Is there any law that says civilians can't wear camouflage?

yes. There is a written law guiding wearing of camouflages. Remember too ignorance is not an excuse. The truth is that we were told not to wear camouflages to enable the army to know impersonators.. she is guilty of misdemeanor but I don't support them stripping her

Hassan080196:



You can also be of some help to your country now. Take gun and enter Sambisa forest to kill those bloody book harams.

LMAO
Let the wasted army deal with each other. Their chickens have come home to roost.
I will be watching them with binoculars

Kizyte:
Oga, Nigerian Soldiers no get right to embarrass Nigerian Citizens for wearing a camouflage. If they are educated enough, they will know it's very wrong to publicly un-dress a guy or a lady for putting on a camouflage. I've been to other West African countries, and I've seen the way they do things there. The soldiers should've arrested the lady and handed her over to the police.

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exactly my point, she should have been arrested

mikool007:
Are they dum, this is so stupid and idiotic, people wear camo designed clothes abroad all the time without being embarrassed like, it is sad to say but this tells a lot about this country, pple don't even know their rights any longer when it's being trampled on a daily basis

Stop quoting abroad.This is Nigeria.Am nt supporting de military but they hv said it several tym CIVILIANS STOP WEARING OUR CAMO.

Even ppl dt wears it die on daily basis
##so y sud i even wear it?###

SUPERPACK:
she is nt impersonating anybody with that cloth, when did army men start to wear tight trousers, and who gave the army the right to strip civilians, read the law below.

bro its against their law. do u know its illegal to also paint ur vehicle green or army green

jidxin:
its acyually against the law

Even if founf guilty there's an option of a fine.


It's not their job to be carrying out jungle justice.

The person should be charged to court and will simply pay the fine if found guilty

Those guys have committed a crime by infringing on the human rights of another citizen

bamisho:


Can you not see the part that says "in such a manner"

That shows that wearing it isn't a crime but only if they prove in court that the manner in which you wore it is an offense.

Also the law offers the option of a very small fine even if found guilty

so you actually want that girl to go to prison

If it was a guy, some of you won't be posting this , it's in the constitution, don't wear any soldier camouflage if you're not one of them.

Why can't they wear mopo, police or navy uniform if they so much love the Nigerian force?

Some of this people have been warn by friends or relatives about the implications of wearing this camo but they won't listen.

Anyway, what's my concern? I no dey like pass my boundary.

SUPERPACK:
she is nt impersonating anybody with that cloth, when did army men start to wear tight trousers, and who gave the army the right to strip civilians, read the law below.

109(b) said it all