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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 5:53pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
nateevs: I swear I'm surprised myself. I always thought "Conte was no fan of Matic" |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:54pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
nateevs: That's the nonsense Nihilist has been peddling, just like peddling nonsense that Conte shipped Ake out. 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by pamcode(m): 5:54pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Vanquay:it means the Child who sells pepper. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:56pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Bimffo:No it is the reason they call you Bimgo 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 5:59pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Ibime: My friend pipe down there. Matic that didn't even go on pre-season is the one Conte is surprised to see go? Ake had no future under Conte. How many times did Conte play him? ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 5:59pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
funlord:If I dey smoke weed e nor mean anything...weed na the best. Swear say you nor dey smoke? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 6:01pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
hensben: The guys are trying to say that there may be some sort of confusion on your part, with the terms HomeGrown/Association Trained players and English players. And they are right. Because technically, we do not need English players for any reason other than the HG/AT quota. Except according to the ruling, you don't have to be English to be HG/AT. You just need to have either been with your parent club for 3 straight seasons, before your 21st birthday to be HG; or have played for 3 straight seasons in the English league before your 21st birthday, to be AT. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 6:02pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
hensben: No good English player is better than the goodies rest of Europe, South-America and Africa has got to offer. So be humble and sit down Prince Charles. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 6:03pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Nihilist: Hehehe. Crisis Management. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:08pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Nihilist: Conte just told you from his own lips that it was his plan for Matic to remain first choice and Bakayoko to learn EPL under him. I've been telling you guys all summer that Matic was not chased out by anybody. Matic refused to sign new contract and the club made a financial decision to cash in on a 29 year old than let him run down his two years. The thing dey vex Conte die. Just like I said no one chased out Chalobah and Ake. Those boys just want to play guaranteed every week. Conte would happily keep them around. He was the one that gave Chalobah a place and recalled Ake from loan. As for Drinkwater that can't make England squad that lacks midfielders, I would rather keep a younger Dutch International, more technically refined player than subscribe to any foolishness that makes Danny Drinkbleach a better decision than keeping Ake. We are only chasing Danny Drinkbleach now because Conte made a miscalculation that the club would keep Matic. Now he is throwing his toys out of the pram, looking for any midfielder cos we are light in that area. Imagine Fabregas who is unsuited to that position and an injured Bakayoko as your only midfield options to partner Kante. That is a desperate situation. Someone should speak to him about deploying Luiz there rather than asking for Drinkbleach. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 6:09pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
I just wan drive go house. I go soon come tidy this ake yarns. Ake of all people. As if, Ake no be youth product we go even look him side. ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:17pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Ibime: What about Costa?? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:18pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Nihilist: So your saying, someone somewhere is lying. #interesting |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:22pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Ibime: Ake did say he left for more playing time in response to Conte saying this players including chaloab are impatient. That means they turned down their contract offers like solanke. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by hensben(m): 6:22pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Griffon:Wetin concern South America or there side with wetin we dey talk. I talk say fergie use English players dominate premier league u dey talk another thing. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Griffon: 6:25pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
"When a player leaves a club, you do not normally see a manager speak so glowingly about them. Usually they would say it is time for them to leave, it was the right move for both parties. There is very rarely such big transfers between champions to clubs that are challenging them and it is a strange move. "And I have no doubt that he has not sanctioned that move, he is not happy with it and ultimately he is uncomfortable with it. "I have to say that it is a strange move, it really is, to sell to one of your main rivals. Sometimes transfers can get forced through. Maybe he was behind the scenes, but it did not seem he was publicly." - Neville on Matic move to Manyoo ......... I wanted to gulp down a bottle of whiskey the day this move happened, I really wanted to. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:36pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
BlueAngel444: Ake had 2 years on his contract. If you keep him around for one more year and he doesn't extend his contract, you will be selling him for Chalobah money (£6m) by this time next year, so no matter what you think of such a player, the best option is to let him leave with buyback clause. This is why the club now signs 4 to 5 years contract with players before sending them out on loan. If they return with only 2 years left on contract, they can call the shots. Same way Traore forced a move because he only had 2 years when he returned from Ajax. The reason Zouma, MVG, Kalas and Mario Pasalic signed long term contracts before going out on loan is that you want a player returning from loan with 3 years left on his contract. That gives you a year to blend him in, and if he doesn't work out, you can still sell him the next year with 2 years on his contract so he keeps his value. If a player returns from loan with only 2 years on his contract, he can force you to either guarantee him first team shirt or sell him straightaway. And even if you guarantee him first team shirt, there is no guarantee that he will sign new contract. The club allowed themselves to get into a contractual situation that allowed Traore, Solanke, Ake and Chalobah to call the shots, and they learned from it thus summer. Now nobody goes on loan without first signing a long term contract. It's more money for the players so it's a Win-Win. These are the calculations that go into whether these players like Ake/Chalobah etc are sold or not. If they are sold with buyback clause, just know the club is selling them reluctantly. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:38pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Griffon: All these talk about matic because he had an OK game yesterday. Men people can be fickle oh ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 6:40pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
pamcode: Aye thanks. Morata went from selling pepper on madrids bench to selling it In London...What a world, if the gods curse you, you will stay cursed.
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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segadem(m): 6:42pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
nateevs:Hmmmm, wonderful!!! I'm learning Thanks for that info |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:43pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Ibime: Wow to think I usually did this in football manager. ![]() Since they all have buy-back clauses (the new special 'loan' system) why are folks still passed of with the dealings. Am not understanding |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by spartacus11(m): 6:46pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
All hail Isaac Makwala wow against all odds |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segadem(m): 6:47pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
nateevs:...so how many HG/AT player is required in a team? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:54pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
But you guys should chill, Chelsea has too much average players to be breaking it's neck for Ake and co. Between Ross Barkley,23 and Danny Drinkwater,27 which English midfielder would you like to see in a Chelsea shirt and why. (both are £30m and if you're like me and you don't give a damn which, tell me who you would spend £30m for a midfielder) Considering the HG factor or U21 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 6:55pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Segadem:@least 8 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 6:58pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Ibime: But why would he stay around for 1 more year, and not renew his contract [size=18pt]if[/size] he is guaranteed first team minutes? ![]() The reason Ake has to go is simple - He knew He would NEVER get those first team minutes. Hear him: It is a short career, I'm 22 now and I feel like I have had a good experience playing games and you just want to continue doing that," Ake said. But what did Conte say, that Ake was 'understanding'? ‘Sometimes I think the young players lose their patience very quickly,’ To further emphasise this, let's hear what Conte had to say about the likes of Chalobah in comparison to Bakayoko ‘I think, honestly, at this moment there is a great difference between the two players,’ Conte said. That last sentence in my opinion was aimed at Bigkesh ![]() In anycase, the story is simple. Conte has now revealed that he Bakayoko was to understudy Matic. He also revealed that Bakayoko was preferred to Chalobah. That alone tells you that the Manager had no use for the likes of Chalobah, because there are 2 midfield spots, and there would have been Kante, Fab, Bakayoko, and Matic ALL ahead of Nathan C. And we haven't even mentioned Ake as a midfield option yet ![]() |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 6:58pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by BlueAngel444: 7:02pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
If I had my way, buy rose £35m, Eric Dier £45m if Tottenham wants to be too stubborn add extra £5m each. THAT SOLVES A LOT, easily Maybe extra £5m to redrom director levy first ![]() Then Ox - £25m VVD - £55m (too expensive) |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Segadem(m): 7:05pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
BlueAngel444:OK Thanks |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by airmark(m): 7:10pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Few days ago, it was clear conte didn't support matic's sale. When asked about him, he said "You must ask the club about this." The man is unhappy about decisions taken on transfers. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nihilist: 7:13pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
This was Ake this time last season before he moved to Bournemouth Nihilist: 3 or 4 months later, Ake found he could not get into Bournemouth's midfield, but he was playing at CB. Then Conte Called him back in January. This is what he said Ake can play as a central defender – in the middle or on the left – or he could play as a wing-back,’ said Conte. After getting to know him better, he played him in one FA cup game as a Wingback....Realised it didnt work. The next two times he played - vs Wolves and SPurs, Ake played at CB. He never even bothered trying him in midfield. So from these actions, we know the realistic positions had in mind for Ake. This shoots down this statement as a complete fallacy Ibime: Ake was never going to compete in midfield. Now the simple answer is, was Ake good enough for wingback? If he was, we wouldnt have been chasing Alex Sandro all summer Is Ake good enough for CB? Rudiger is far better and has far more experience than Ake...he has not yet found his way into the 1st eleven. Are we to believe that Ake would have done that? I dont. Zouma is a far more experience and accomplished defender than Ake, and was actually benching Cahill 2 or 3 years ago. He's now on loan at Stoke. Christensen whos been playing first team football in Germany and in Europe has yet to squeeze into the first 11. Are we saying we believe Ake was good enough for a shirt ahead of these lads? I don't agree. Ake is a middling midtable talent who is where he belongs at this point in time. If he was not Chelsea affiliated, we probably wouldnt even know his name. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 7:14pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Nihilist: This is normal in the growth of a young player. As long as we include buyback clause, that means the club would have been happy to keep that player in the squad but the player wants to play every week. I told you that players establish themselves in a first 11 by sticking around the squad for years playing 5-10, then 10-20 games per year, sometimes waiting for an injury until they establish themselves. The loan system Chelsea use CRYSTALLIZES your transition to 1st team to just one year, where you either become a 1st team player immediately upon your return from a successful loan, or the club have to sell you within a year due to contractual impasse. Compare and contrast with Alex Ferguson system where he doesn't send you out on loan, but keeps you part of the team, giving you 3 to 5 years to get opportunities. As soon as Gary Neville gets injured, Wes Brown steps in for 2 years. As soon as Wes Brown gets injured, Rafael steps in for the next 3 years. As soon as Hargreaves gets injured, Darren Fletcher steps in for the next 5 years etc. That is how he kept John O'Shea, Johnny Evans, Wes Brown, Chris Smalling, Darren Fletcher, Rafael, Fabio etc growing into their skin for years and years. Whereas at Chelsea, you return from loan and have one year to make 1st 11 before your contract situation forces the club to sell you. So you ain't telling us nothing. Danny Drinkbleach is still coming to sit behind Kante, Baka and co. He can afford to ride bench at this stage of his career, Ake needs to play. I would be stüpid to consider keeping Danny Drinkbleach as a better long-term decision than Ake, all things being equal. |
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