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Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Blue3k(m): 5:44pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
pazienza: They don't offer that. If you look at definitions of these terms it tells what type of goods. DRY CARGO - Merchandise other than liquid carried in bulk. BULK - Cargo shipped in loose condition and of a homogeneous nature. Cargoes that are shipped unpackaged either dry, such as grain and ore, or liquid, such as petroleum products. BULK CARRIER - Ship specifically designed to transport large amounts of cargoes such as sugar, grain, wine, ore, Chemicals, liquefied natural gas; coal ore etc. see also LNG Carrier, Tanker OBO Ship. General Cargo: A non-bulk oil cargo composed of miscellaneous goods. Source: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nigerianports.org/dynamicdata/uploads/operationalterm.pdf&ved=0ahUKEwiN3rWTxcrVAhVX6GMKHV3IC2wQFggdMAA&usg=AFQjCNHnuv48OT1IFFMypy2S7ub5VMgANA Omofunaab2: The Government plans on dredging it simple. The reps all gave the minister of transport tongue lashing over it. You can also see it in ERGP released by Buhari Administration. 13 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Maduawuchukwu(m): 5:45pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Someone opens a thread and starts calling people who comment on it daft.WTF! Maybe his mentor called him brilliant today that is why the Mumu is calling his betters daft. If the problem of the Eastern ports are that they were built in shallow waters who do we blame? Is it not the FG that controls shipping? 12 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Amberon11: 6:02pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Learn to be coherent. And the only dumb person here is you. How anyone expects a shallow seaport to be more functional and have more traffic than a deap seaport is the not just dumb, but daft and stupiid. [s] Blue3k:[/s] 9 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Amberon11: 6:10pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Lol, I don't recall. I'm sorry if I spoke out of tone too Modified : Hahahaha, I remember now. You kept insisting I was a flat.head. Lol ProWalker: 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Amberon11: 6:13pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
shukuokukobambi: 4 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Blue3k(m): 6:14pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Amberon11: Lol your education wasted you.Please go apologize to who wasted their money on send you to school. Their labour was wasted. A shallow port not supposed to be a deep seaport. It's functional if goods come in and out. Only you would think it's supposed to operate for a purpose it not designed for. What did you think ports exist for? PS: lol you probably didn't what ports purpose is just like you didn't know about east and west port headquarters. Daft response are truly your specialty. 5 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Obi1kenobi(m): 6:30pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Is the shipping traffic in the tables for exports or imports? I'm well aware Onne and Rivers are used a lot in routing exports. The Lagos Ports though overwhelmingly dominate imports. Of consumer goods, refined crude products etc. At least, that was always my impression. Can you provide greater clarity as to what those stats are actually representing? |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Amberon11: 6:32pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Your first two paragraphs are contradictory. You first stated that Nigerian Govt isnt to blame for the geological make up of the sites and later said said the bolded. So who built the seaports in those shallow areas, was it not the government? Ereolamide: 5 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by aribisala0(m): 6:34pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Amberon11:Yes one iss landlocked and has no sea accesswhile the other does 16 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Ereolamide: 6:40pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Amberon11:It was probably not meant to be a 'deep' sea port, you should know the shoddy way Nigeria government works, even those Lagos ports ain't deep enough, you want a real deep seaport, go to ondo. 7 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Blue3k(m): 6:45pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: Im going to add Q1 2016 to first then rest back here. 1 Like |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Obi1kenobi(m): 6:51pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Blue3k: Please, make it separate stats for import and export. |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Blue3k(m): 6:58pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: Done. Only Onne export more than it brings in which is good thing. Exports means more foreign exchange. Then if it proves if you want bring things in your free to. 5 Likes
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Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:07pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Blue3k: I would say that pretty much confirms my point. The Lagos ports overwhelmingly handle the imports. Over three-quarters of imports and close to 80% in one of the quarters. It doesn't change my initial perception which is that Lagos handles most of the consumer items imports, which is why many Nigerians who want to import have to do it through Lagos. I'm guessing crude export accounts for most of the traffic of Onne and Rivers ports. 3 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Amberon11: 7:09pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Ondo state has a seaport? talk more a deep one? Ereolamide: |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Blue3k(m): 7:10pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: Only Onne export more than it imports which is good thing. Exports means more foreign exchange. Then it proves if you want bring things in your free to. There's nothing stopping anyone. Shippers making business decisions doesn't imply the port is dysfunctional. 10 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Ereolamide: 7:14pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Amberon11:I said 'want',that's the viable location for a true deep seaport in Nigeria presently. 9 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by shukuokukobambi: 7:14pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: The question I'm interested in is why is Lagos more import oriented than others? Is it a deliberate FG plan? Or a result of Yoruba jazz? Or the importers chose Lagos for purely commercial reasons? Or the importers were forced to use Lagos against their will? I'm not directing these questions to you personally but your post captures what is pertinent to this thread 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Amberon11: 7:15pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Okay. Ereolamide: |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by afongha: 7:17pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
ProWalker: Chei!! I haff quench. . . 10 Likes
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Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by omohayek: 7:18pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:The trouble with all the ridiculous talk of "marginalization" with regards to ports is that those who say such things forget an important reality: even if ports like Onne and Rivers are perfectly fine and dandy, the most important consumer markets in Nigeria are in the SW, and importers have to cater to that reality in making their plans; in addition, the SW is the main gateway to the northern part of the country. Online tribal warriors with nothing personally at stake can afford to ignore such commercial realities, but businessmen who are looking to find buyers for their imports are not going to waste their time going through Onne or Rivers, and then deal with the hassle of transferring their goods over the River Niger and through the Benin to Ore road all the way to Ibadan and Lagos, when they could achieve the same end goal much more easily by simply bringing the goods in through Lagos or even Cotonou. 25 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by CrtlAltDel: 7:23pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Why are my Ipob blodas avoiding this thread….. Ok I know what to do…. Breaking news: ipob supreme leader is in Kaduna 15 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:30pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Blue3k: I know absolutely nothing about the maritime sector, but my dad once told me (in one of his anti-government rants ) that the government pretty much sabotage the import capacity of other ports ensuring most goods are routed through Lagos ports. Then again, he was no authority on the issue either as he was an FIRS official. But think about it. Despite the massive problems in clearing goods at the Lagos ports, it still accounts for the bulk of import traffic. There must be underlying policy and structural problems that are responsible for this. I would still wait for someone in the know to illuminate this issue. 1 Like |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by ProWalker: 7:36pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Amberon11: lol ya right 2 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:38pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
omohayek: It's a bit of a chicken and egg situation. Lagos' historical status as Nigeria's gateway since colonial times has given it a massive advantage in creating the commercial hub of the country, while that same commercial hub status gives it a massive advantage as the main gateway. For the same reason we've never had the strategic vision to diversify from oil, the government has never had the vision to create an alternative to a Lagos that is straining under the pressure on its infrastructure. No place in the old Eastern region has had anything remotely close to the successive investments of first the colonial government and then the independent federal government to creating the reality that is Lagos. I also don't see why this is a tribal issue. Yorubas are not the reason for the the massive infrastructural deficit in other regions and I haven't seen anyone claiming so. The Federal government and our dysfunctional political system is responsible. Maybe if those SS states controlled far more of their resources and 13% derivation wasn't all they had, they could have themselves tacked their problems. 2 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by Obi1kenobi(m): 7:42pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
shukuokukobambi: Seems to me mostly a case of policy obstacles. I know importers from the East who always come down to Lagos to clear their goods at the ports. There is no way in hell they'd do this if they had a choice. 3 Likes |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by aribisala0(m): 7:43pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi:It has little to do with government and more with choice of shipper For many years befor the emergence of China most shipping especially cars and trucks was from Europe. Cars and trucks are bulky and so formed a very large component of what was being shipped to Nigeria Anyone who has ever shipped will tell you it is cheaper to ship to Accra than Lome than Cotonou than Lagos in that order. Many Niggerians still ship to Cotonou and that is why their port is booming. Also Man people from Niger Republic used to used the ports at Lagos and Cotonou and that led to the growth of shiping at these ports compared to PH. Shipping to Nigeria was very much cheaper to Lagos than elsewhere and they suffered from low patronage. Lagos Therefore served Lagos and the SW as well as the North . Problem in the PH and Calabar was there was no good road network to the North and so even Borno State was served by LAgos. The market is in Lagos and many car importers prefer shipping to Lagos or Cotonou because it is cheaper to ship and there are more buyers. This is not sabotage just geograhical advantage. Why is the Cotonou Port so successful despite its small population? The Lagos Port was actually built at low cost> There is not much infrastructure there and this low cost is down to its location which is more favorable compared to PH which is inland and a river port and also Calabar inland. Infac the best location for ports in Nigeriaa are Ondo State but this is the one that has been sabotaged because of antipathy to the SW The idea that only Igbos import is foolish. Edo people are among the largest importers of vehicles into NIgeria 25 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by OAUTemitayo: 7:55pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
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Re: Are Eastern Ports Dysfunctional? by shukuokukobambi: 7:57pm On Aug 09, 2017 |
Obi1kenobi: Well, I hope somebody can throw light on these obstacles so we know where to direct our anger and vexations 4 Likes |
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