I must first state that I am not an atheist but I am a deist. I was enlightened by an atheist when I was a christian and I left the religion.

Having grown up in a religious village, I was exposed to a lot of superstitious beliefs which were sometimes harmful to innocent people. It was an atheist roommate in the city who helped me to understand that life is not kind to ignorant superstitions. I will never forget this roommate of mine who fought with me tirelessly in order to get me to stop doing ignorant things in the name of religion. I hated him in the beginning and now I really respect him.

I still believe in a god but not the christian god or personal god.


I believe that atheists have a role to play in Nigeria even if it only begins on the internet. Atheists could save many people from superstitious rubbish. What if I told you that I regret beating up a child who I thought was a witch? An innocent child. That was who I was when I was deeply religious. My point is that atheists should keep up the arguments and debates. You never know who you could change.

I know some people will disagree with me and that is fine. It is a free world. Peace.

superhumanist:

I must first state that I am not an atheist but I am a deist. I was enlightened by an atheist when I was a christian and I left the religion.

Having grown up in a religious village, I was exposed to a lot of superstitious beliefs which were sometimes harmful to innocent people. It was an atheist roommate in the city who helped me to understand that life is not kind to ignorant superstitions. I will never forget this roommate of mine who fought with me tirelessly in order to get me to stop doing ignorant things in the name of religion. I hated him in the beginning and now I really respect him.

I still believe in a god but not the christian god or personal god.


I believe that atheists have a role to play in Nigeria even if it only begins on the internet. Atheists could save many people from superstitious rubbish. What if I told you that I regret beating up a child who I thought was a witch? An innocent child. That was who I was when I was deeply religious. My point is that atheists should keep up the arguments and debates. You never know who you could change.

I know some people will disagree with me and that is fine. It is a free world. Peace.

Is there any where in the Bible where Christ beat up a witch or censored the beating or rejection of witches or other people who do not share the same views with you?

When I was a christian, there was this friend I later hated so much due to his atheistic posts on Facebook. Sometimes I use to confront him via private messages but he would just ignore me, maybe cos we use to be close friends until we parted ways. He was in fact a nuisance to me on Facebook back then.

But today, I think I hate my friend more for ignoring me and not showing me the way, thus allowing me to wallow longer in religious delusion.

Each time I go to my Facebook timeline to see all my religious and Bible quotes, I feel ashamed of myself

johnydon22:


Not me though

Okay

When I was a christian, I didn't cease to pray DIE BY FIRE prayer against two people who I always see in my dream as witches. But as soon as I realise that my head made them up as witches for me and I stopped Christianity, I began to see those people in my dream as good people. I always think cats are demons, but now I call cats which I don't even know whenever I see them and they come submissively to me. This life though

NB: I AM NOT AN ATHEIST

winner01:
Is there any where in the Bible where Christ beat up a witch or censored the beating or rejection of witches or other people who do not share the same views with you?

Okay. I know there are horrible punishments in the old testament for witches. Let us not kid ourselves because we all know what goes on in village churches. Their version of christianity is extreme. There have been many cases of "child witch" killings or beatings.

chemystery:
When I was a christian, there was this friend I later hated so much due to his atheistic posts on Facebook. Sometimes I use to confront him via private messages but he would just ignore me, maybe cos we use to be close friends until we parted ways. He was in fact a nuisance to me on Facebook back then.

But today, I think I hate my friend more for ignoring me and not showing me the way, thus allowing me to wallow longer in religious delusion.

Each time I go to my Facebook timeline to see all my religious and Bible quotes, I feel ashamed of myself

The best thing you could do is to still contact this friend. I'm sure you can get his number off facebook. Tell him how you feel and your current position. I'm sure he will be glad to have had an impact.

I agree with the OP. As someone who considered himself almost a Christian deist, I didn't always want to express myself openly until I found Nairaland. I used to think my opinions were on the extreme fringe of Nigerian society until I came here and found even more crazy people. Now I realise I am in the middle smack dab between extreme religious nuts and atheists.

Since I believe in a somewhat laissez-faire God, I believe in a God of variety based on the evidence I can see around me, I don't think any side is wrong per se. The people I take exception to are those who will seek to take a moral high ground or assert to the infallibility of their own ideals as if they have been to the afterlife and have irrefutable evidence for their claims. Usually these people are Christians and Muslims and I enjoy spending my time oppugning their claims.

The atheist argument serves the God I believe in. The God that isn't so insecure He cares what puny humans think of Him or concern Himself with foreskins. God doesn't care what religion we follow. If he did he would have wired the true religion and worship into our brains and save us these 1001+ denominations.

OtemAtum:
When I was a christian, I didn't cease to pray DIE BY FIRE prayer against two people who I always see in my dream as witches. But as soon as I realise that my head made them up as witches for me and I stopped Christianity, I began to see those people in my dream as good people. I always think cats are demons, but now I call cats which I don't even know whenever I see them and they come submissively to me. This life though

NB: I AM NOT AN ATHEIST

So you were a Christian.

superhumanist:



The best thing you could do is to still contact this friend. I'm sure you can get his number off facebook. Tell him how you feel and your current position. I'm sure he will be glad to have had an impact.

i have tried several times to initiate a conversation with him but he keeps ignoring me till date. I can't just start the discussion by stating my current position.

I know most times we should live and let live but it is really difficult to see normal educated supposedly sensible humans talk and behave like imbecilesss because they believe so much in something so unreal and not want to talk and make them see how they are allowing themselves to become fools and used by their fellow humans.

- give their hard earned money to their fellow humans in the name of giving to an imaginary God
- work hard to earn a living and give the glory of their acheivments to on man who just mumbled some nonsense words to them
- easily see their gentle harmless grand parents as evil because their pastor had thought them evil comes from their enemies in the village
- hate animals and call animals evil because of false testimonies of people turning to animals to hurt others
- unknowingly Makin selfish statements when they say their God saved them from accidents and allow others to die
- not help u when in need but think they have done much much for u by offering meaningless prayers for u
- condemn other people's belief but feel offended when their is criticised
- think it is okay for their God to burn unbelievers in hell for ever but protest when a people kill others for being unbelievers.
- feel it's their birthright to disturb others with their belief but think others should not propagate their own belief.

Where do I stop and when do I start or where do I end... It's just difficult for one to see all these things and not want to open their head and see if they actually have brains.

JackBizzle:




So you were a Christian.

Yes, from childhood till December 31st, 2015. But I have always had the feeling that I am not meant to be a Christian.

OtemAtum:

Yes, from childhood till December 31st, 2015. But I have always had the feeling that I am not meant to be a Christian.

Lol were you a strict christian?

winner01:
Is there any where in the Bible where Christ beat up a witch or censored the beating or rejection of witches or other people who do not share the same views with you?

Sharap jare or who said suffer not the witches to live?

winner01:
Is there any where in the Bible where Christ beat up a witch or censored the beating or rejection of witches or other people who do not share the same views with you?

Exodus 22:18King James Version (KJV)

18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

chemystery:
i have tried several times to initiate a conversation with him but he keeps ignoring me till date. I can't just start the discussion by stating my current position.

Then there is nothing you can do. just hope you meet up one day.

frank317:
I know most times we should live and let live but it is really difficult to see normal educated supposedly sensible humans talk and behave like imbecilesss because they believe so much in something so unreal and not want to talk and make them see how they are allowing themselves to become fools and used by their fellow humans.

- give their hard earned money to their fellow humans in the name of giving to an imaginary God
- work hard to earn a living and give the glory of their acheivments to on man who just mumbled some nonsense words to them
- easily see their gentle harmless grand parents as evil because their pastor had thought them evil comes from their enemies in the village
- hate animals and call animals evil because of false testimonies of people turning to animals to hurt others
- unknowingly Makin selfish statements when they say their God saved them from accidents and allow others to die
- not help u when in need but think they have done much much for u by offering meaningless prayers for u
- condemn other people's belief but feel offended when their is criticised
- think it is okay for their God to burn unbelievers in hell for ever but protest when a people kill others for being unbelievers.
- feel it's their birthright to disturb others with their belief but think others should not propagate their own belief.

Where do I stop and when do I start or where do I end... It's just difficult for one to see all these things and not want to open their head and see if they actually have brains.

The best you can do is state the truth from a far distance. I know too well how wicked some dogmatic religious people can get when their religion is criticised.

NPComplete:
I agree with the OP. As someone who considered himself almost a Christian deist, I didn't always want to express myself openly until I found Nairaland. I used to think my opinions were on the extreme fringe of Nigerian society until I came here and found even more crazy people. Now I realise I am in the middle smack dab between extreme religious nuts and atheists.

Since I believe in a somewhat laissez-faire God, I believe in a God of variety based on the evidence I can see around me, I don't think any side is wrong per se. The people I take exception to are those who will seek to take a moral high ground or assert to the infallibility of their own ideals as if they have been to the afterlife and have irrefutable evidence for their claims. Usually these people are Christians and Muslims and I enjoy spending my time oppugning their claims.

The atheist argument serves the God I believe in. The God that isn't so insecure He cares what puny humans think of Him or concern Himself with foreskins. God doesn't care what religion we follow. If he did he would have wired the true religion and worship into our brains and save us these 1001+ denominations.

I solidly agree with this.

I always wondered why we needed to tithe to God? What would god need with our money

I believe there is a god but not one that needs us to roll in the mud for him.

OP, you're confused like your fellow Atheists and I will tell you why. What do they want to evagelise? They have no Constitution. They have have no principles. They have nothing to sell. They have no unique selling point.

Their reason for existence is majorly based on pulling Christianity down. You can't grow with that kind of negative philosophy. You have nothing positive to sell.

Confused elements minus my friend Frank317 and Seun who's working round the clock to resolve my issue.

luvmijeje:
OP, you're confused like your fellow Atheists and I will tell you why. What do they want to evagelise? They have no Constitution. They have have no principles. They have nothing to sell. They have no unique selling point.

Their reason for existence is majorly based on pulling Christianity down. You can't grow with that kind of negative philosophy. You have nothing positive to sell.

Confused elements minus my friend Frank317 and Seun who's working round the clock to resolve my issue.

I am not confused. I am seeing very clearly.

There are positive messages in humanism and secular morality. For instance, I tell people to do good for goodness sake (and not for any religion or god)

If you have some spare time, please do some reading on secular morality. Here is a link if you are interested; http://www.atheismandthecity.com/2013/02/a-case-for-secular-morality-objective.html

superhumanist:


I am not confused. I am seeing very clearly.

There are positive messages in humanism and secular morality. For instance, I tell people to do good for goodness sake (and not for any religion or god)

If you have some spare time, please do some reading on secular morality. Here is a link if you are interested; http://www.atheismandthecity.com/2013/02/a-case-for-secular-morality-objective.html

You are still confused. Do all atheists subscribe to this your stand or it's just you?

My personal advice to you which you can't buy with money, stop doing follow follow. Stop your attache mentality and go back to God.

luvmijeje:


You are still confused. Do all atheists subscribe to this your stand or it's just you?

My personal advice to you which you can't buy with money, stop doing follow follow. Stop your attache mentality and go back to God.

Of course all atheists and deists (I am a deist) are not the same. The "stand" I follow, is an accepted principle in humanism. Not all atheists or deists are humanists. Thank you.

luvmijeje:


You are still confused. Do all atheists subscribe to this your stand or it's just you?

My personal advice to you which you can't buy with money, stop doing follow follow. Stop your attache mentality and go back to God.

There u go shooting yourself in the foot. Something very characteristic of thoughtless people. Even you Christians don't have an exact set of stands you all subscribe to. That's why there are so many denominations that believe in so many different things. By your logic you Christians are equally confused.
Take your own advice.

LightandDarkness:


Exodus 22:18King James Version (KJV)

18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live.

Christ. Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus. That "man" stands against every single thing you have on Christ-ianity. Christ-ians are people that want to be like Christ, that strive to be like Christ. Christ is our standard.

I don't want to speak about the mosaic law because ive done so severally.
There are things called laws and dispensations in scriptures. To know what dispensation we are not, you can refer to Romans 8:2.

But show me where Christ rejected or killed people. We can tell who really is a christ-ian.

superhumanist:



Okay. I know there are horrible punishments in the old testament for witches. Let us not kid ourselves because we all know what goes on in village churches. Their version of christianity is extreme. There have been many cases of "child witch" killings or beatings.

What goes on in village churches is not as important as what Christ stood for. Most traditional converts still hold tight their native beliefs and they still engage in heinous acts. I know many so called Christians who still engage in traditional rituals till date. Thanks to Mary slessor, the killing of twins for instance was normal in some parts of traditional religion. Twins were considered evil. I am against several unbiblical acts by Christians. Many of the foreign countries that have more number of religious persons than Nigeria do not engage in these acts. What do we say to that.

edicied:

Sharap jare or who said suffer not the witches to live?

Ive forgotten, please who said so?
And why did Paul do otherwise in Acts 19:19.

If you must talk, please put your brains to use.

NPComplete:


There u go shooting yourself in the foot. Something very characteristic of thoughtless people. Even you Christians don't have an exact set of stands you all subscribe to. That's why there are so many denominations that believe in so many different things. By your logic you Christians are equally confused.
Take your own advice.

Am I under any natural universal obligation to be thoughtful? If so, why should I give a damn in an inconsequential universe?.

Make meaning of that.

winner01:
Is there any where in the Bible where Christ beat up a witch or censored the beating or rejection of witches or other people who do not share the same views with you?

how do u explain this. cc:loj,

NPComplete:


There u go shooting yourself in the foot. Something very characteristic of thoughtless people. Even you Christians don't have an exact set of stands you all subscribe to. That's why there are so many denominations that believe in so many different things. By your logic you Christians are equally confused.
Take your own advice.

Says who? We all have the Bible as our central theme. We all believe in Christ. So repeat your point again.

winner01:


Ive forgotten, please who said so?
And why did Paul do otherwise in Acts 19:19.

If you must talk, please put your brains to use.

I asked you a simple question who made the Law suffer not the witch to live in Exodus and i think you are the one that actually needs to use ur Brain all this beating around the Bush ain't gonna Fly

winner01:
Christ. Jesus Christ. Christ Jesus. That "man" stands against every single thing you have on Christ-ianity. Christ-ians are people that want to be like Christ, that strive to be like Christ. Christ is our standard.

I don't want to speak about the mosaic law because ive done so severally.
There are things called laws and dispensations in scriptures. To know what dispensation we are not, you can refer to Romans 8:2.

But show me where Christ rejected or killed people. We can tell who really is a christ-ian.

What goes on in village churches is not as important as what Christ stood for. Most traditional converts still hold tight their native beliefs and they still engage in heinous acts. I know many so called Christians who still engage in traditional rituals till date. Thanks to Mary slessor, the killing of twins for instance was normal in some parts of traditional religion. Twins were considered evil. I am against several unbiblical acts by Christians. Many of the foreign countries that have more number of religious persons than Nigeria do not engage in these acts. What do we say to that.

Ive forgotten, please who said so?
And why did Paul do otherwise in Acts 19:19.

If you must talk, please put your brains to use.

So we should just forget the old testament?