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| China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by jara: 9:11pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
CHINA WILL DEFEND ITS INFLUENCE IN N. KOREA/USA WAR There are threats flying back and forth from North Korea to United States. Swahili say when elephants fight, it is the grass that suffers. China will not sit idly while United States bombs its influence or stakes in North Korea. The consequences of proliferation of nuclear waste polluting the environment will be devastating not only on those engaged in war but to African Continent. We have suffered enough in Africa from the climate changes as a result indifference abuse by super powers. The fear of limited or world war looms and world anxiety has been raised. President Donald Trump scored a rare victory with the cooperation of Russia and China in the United Nation on this embargo or sanctions. However, implementation has to be rigid by all of these countries in order to bite in North Korea. It is very doubtful though, if North Korea would give up on its development of nuclear weapons. Testing may be the negotiating point where agreement on all sides could claim victory. The rule remains that you must always leave some room for your negotiating partner to claim some victory also. Hyperbolic languages could be communicated through diplomatic channels or third parties but must not be repeated in public. It leads to grandstanding and miscalculation. North Korea is notorious for such public comments but not United States. The fear is United States may have overshadowed its victory at the United Nation by making public threats. There are vigorous diplomatic talks going on now. China and Russia went along with United State on sanctions which must not be taken as a sign of free reign on North Korea. The world remains a dangerous place and miscalculation could spell disaster because China will defend its interest in North Korea. Russia, no matter how friendly President Putin is with President Trump; would not let the balance of power in that region shift in favor of United States. Indeed, China and Russia may have conveyed their strong opposition to United States about striking North Korea privately through diplomatic channels. In short, letting President Trump know that their support at the United Nation was not a blank check to strike as President Bush did in Iraq. The consequences of that did not deter another; a Libyan strike spilling into Africa. Some Libya nuclear materials are still unsecured. African countries with less resources to deter inflow of terrorists have spent a great deal of the money they should use to ameliorate their citizens from crossing desert and sea. In addition to fighting terrorists as Boko Haram in Nigeria, Cameron, Sudan and Niger. The reasons refugees are crossing the sea and desert are because powerful nations are deeply involved and instigated their civil wars in the name of democracy. While the world is familiar with threats from North Korea, it is unusual that United States President would return such threat wondering who makes ego trips more. United States has no need to prove or remind the world of its might. The empty vessel here is the monkey North Korea pulling the tail of the Tiger. Mr. Trump must understand the world know as much. But the only way to join the Trading Club is to flex the nuclear threat to the Trading Club. It is not going to be a cake walk for the most powerful nations as demonstrated in conventional wars around the world. Nuclear war can be more devastating or even worse. There is no doubt that North Korea has been provoking and now at a stage where it has developed some form of nuclear capability. It has come a long way despite North Korea limited means or resources. But the people are determined to join world nuclear club as the only insurance to external threats. The threats exchanged between United States and North Korea may remind some of us of the label of “Paper Tiger” Mao Zedong labelled United States. Paper Tigers is a Chinese phrase of toothless tiger used to describe United States. Mao came to the realization that atomic bomb or nuclear bomb could be more powerful than the real tiger itself. This eventually led him in pursuit of China atomic bomb. Today China is a bona fide member of Nuclear and Trade Club. North Korea will not be locked out of Nuclear Club nor will it take a back seat despite the threat or warnings coming from different countries. In spite of the sanctions lately agreed to by United Nations, North Korea will survive even at the expense of poor folks that will be mostly affected. North Korea may be annihilated from Earth surface, survive or lack necessities like food. But the people have been starving in that country without this latest embargo. Trade incentive is next! North Korea must not turn its pursuit of nuclear arsenals into a contest with United States. But we also know that powerful nations do not confront one another because they understand the power of mutual or world destruction. So, powerful nations make example or send messages by using smaller countries as battle fields. Indeed, they notify one another to get out of the way. Since China will not give United States an open door into North Korea, the rest of the world may be conditionally hopeful that war would not break out. It is hard to imagine a situation where United States would defy China and bomb North Korea anyway. If United States makes the First Strike, it would be powerful enough to wipe out North Korea. A limited Strike would not prevent more Korean strikes than missiles can shield. If 1 or 2 penetrate, the job is done! Yet, the rest of the nations without nuclear power see North Korea as the David against Goliath. No matter how weak a country is, they do not want powerful nations threatening them and telling them what to do or not do the wishes of super powers. Cultures and customs support different ideologies. It does not have to be exactly like that of Britain or United States. Actually, the Electoral College in USA that overrides popular votes may be repugnant to some countries. The cabinet form of Government of old Oyo Empire worked very well among the Yoruba of West Africa just as Shaka Zulu of South Africa had to commit suicide, as dictated by their custom despite his war victory against the British. We should be fighting against injustice, slave labor and oppression by the filthy rich in the world; not against different forms of governments. Nuclear capability and destruction is knowledge based and a form of intelligence that cannot be monopolized by a group of people. Sooner or later, the evil knowledge will be acquired by more countries and people. There is no way one group of people can prevent another from acquiring it. However, there are ways we can live and trade peaceful with one another without threats. Farouk Martins Aresa Source 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by Totogist: 9:30pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
this your post long o, well i de wait for US to teach North korea some leason 2 Likes |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by Terrorsquad101: 10:17pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
farouk aresa martins OK noted |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by baralatie(m): 11:25pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
op! you are on your own! Russia has stated it is in support of north Korea halting its nuclear activities entirely! China interest is very clear it does not want any conflict within the region and does not want a north Korea with a nuclear war capability. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by MyNewJackeT: 11:29pm On Aug 11, 2017 |
What did Russia do when America invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? And now Syria, what did Russia do when the west carried out a coup in Georgia they only responded during Ukraine, you really think China can stand a war with the US. America has 7000 nuclear weapons while China has 200. Now Australia says it will support the US if they ever need help just add that up, and last time I checked the British will follow the US. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by googi: 4:37am On Aug 12, 2017 |
China should also make clear that if North Korea launches missiles that threaten US soil first and the US retaliates, China will stay neutral. If the US and South Korea carry out strikes and try to overthrow the North Korean regime and change the political pattern of the Korean Peninsula, China will prevent them from doing so. http://www.followcn.com/china-remain-neutral-north-korea-attacks-first/ http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1060791.shtml China won’t come to North Korea’s aid if it launches missiles threatening U.S. soil and there is retaliation, a state-owned newspaper warned Friday — but it would intervene if Washington strikes first. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/china-warns-north-korea-youre-on-your-own-if-you-go-after-the-us/2017/08/11/a01a4396-7e68-11e7-9026-4a0a64977c92_story.html?utm_term=.3afe7e8c7908 1 Like |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by agabusta: 5:07am On Aug 12, 2017 |
MyNewJackeT: Australia is a paper weight not worth mentioning.  When Russia invaded Ukraine what did US do? When Russia intervened in Syria to destabilise US plans what did US do? When Russia invaded Georgia and the Russian Black Sea Fleet blockaded the Georgian coast, what did the US do?? Except issue mundane rhetorics. Their usual talk talk on CNN and no action. See, the Americans have grown soft, they are not ready to stomach a direct military confrontation with an enemy who has the capacity to strike back. They have been behaving like bullies all this while, attacking and invading countries without the capacity to strike back. The sole reason we have North Korea today is because of China. It was the Chinese army that assisted North Korea to drive back the US and South Korean forces that has already defeated the North Korean forces and almost pushed them into China. China mobilised more than a million troops within the twinkle of an eye, to the surprise of US and South Korea and started pushing them back, reclaiming lost territories back to North Korea until the present 38th parallel was achieved and all parties dug into their present positions till this day! As it happened during the Korean war, China will definitely enter the battle on the side of North Korea as failing to do that will mean the collapse of North Korea and Americans at their very border. Countries only react when their strategic interests are threatened. China does not want US at her border, same with Russia that was why Russia reacted swiftly to Ukraine when US started getting over ambitious with them. China will do same here. North Korea has the capacity to militarily strike strike back at US, it's bases in the region, and also it's allies in that region, that is why the US is back to its usual mouth mouth talk. They won't attack North Korea. South Korea also does not have the mind to do the dirty job for the Americans. They have grown fat and successful and not ready to have Seoul which is very close to North Korea to be in ruins. North Korea has thousands of standby artillery directed at Seoul (South Korea), ready to start firing at any instant. US has also not attacked Iran till date because it knows Iran also have some capabilities to strike US bases and allies in the middle East. And create serious oil crises. Nuclear weapons are more of strategic weapons and not tactical. Although I know some nuclear weapons are designed as tactical and dubbed same, but nuclear power on the face value is mainly a strategic power. Why did the US not use them against China during the Korean war at a time China itself was not yet a nuclear power?? US is just making noise. North Korea as a nuclear power has come to stay, and all their talk is not going to change that. They are just talking for talking sake. 11 Likes 5 Shares |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by overhypedsteve(m): 7:03am On Aug 12, 2017 |
baralatie:the op is talking about balance of power, it's something you cannot learn from reading news from nairaland everyday. 4 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by overhypedsteve(m): 7:06am On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta:Australia is no paper weight, paper weights do not exists on the battlefield, every single enemy is a capable enemy. Australia have some of the most sophisticated weapon systems from the west due to its ties with the USA. Australia is a big question mark in this equation |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by cstr1000: 7:06am On Aug 12, 2017 |
what exactly will china do if the US attacks North korea first? Are they going to risk their own survival for North-korea, because the US will crush them both. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by cstr1000: 7:11am On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta:Australia is not paperweight. They have the wealth, and the technology to develop any weapon of mass destruction. And they are a very big country. There has been no need for that kind of investment because they signed a defense pact with the US and the US is responsible for their protection. They still have their own formidable military though. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by ladkud(m): 8:20am On Aug 12, 2017 |
MyNewJackeT: Britain has stated that they will not back US in striking North Korea. http://www.thegreatsecreteblog.com/2017/08/live-britain-will-play-no-part-in.htm 1 Like |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by MyNewJackeT: 8:23am On Aug 12, 2017 |
ladkud: seriously the GREAT SECRET BLOG hahahahaha guy just go to YouTube and find what THE British representative to UN said last month |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by Nobody: 9:02am On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta: Who tha fvck is this guy? Gentlemen, Pls......   I see our resident terrorist “CSTR1000” is back 6 Likes 1 Share
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| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by Appleyard(m): 11:03am On Aug 12, 2017 |
MyNewJackeT: Get your facts straight on. Iraq and Afghanistan served no strategic purpose for Russia, hence there was very little they could have done to stop it. So you didn't remember what Russia did to Georgia in 2008? The US installed puppet government were simply beaten and those CIA spy poles mounted in the country's regional askert bordering Russia were taking down. And we know what the situation is today with Georgia. Thank God you did remember Ukraine. As for Syria, you forget to say that if it wasn't the intervention of Russia, Assad would be dead by now and the country carved up into another failed state like Libya and Iraq. The buttom line is Russia will only act where there is strategic need, and when it does, its always decisive. You don't expect them to jump into every hot theatre of warfare that doesn't concern them, unlike the self serving and blood thirsting warmongers ruling the US. Australia? Is it not the same Aussies that ran away from Syria and abandoned the US the moment Russia announced it will target every coalition plane to the west of the Euphrates following the downing of the Syria bomber? Forget Australia, they can't go near the Korean peninsula. So you believe China can do nothing if NK is attacked first? We all know how many body bags were sacked home back to Washington the last time China intervened in the Korea war, and this time around, the disgrace would even be more appalling and far reaching. If you think you are washing Rambo, think again. China will give the US a bloody nose in Korea if push comes to shoves. FYI, 7000-200 nukes doesn't make any difference, since 20 or 30 can get the work done. 5 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by MyNewJackeT: 11:14am On Aug 12, 2017 |
How experienced is China in fighting wars? They don't even go for peace keeping in any UN program, no military demonstrations. Nothing No military bases anywhere, I can count so many military bases that America has plus Aircraft carriers plus submarines that can launch Nuclear weapons that no one is even talking about. There more North Korea agitate THUS the more the US setup bases in south Korea and Japan pointing their missiles towards China and russia 2 Likes |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by Appleyard(m): 11:19am On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta: Another student has graduated from the wounded university of truth.  Its only the enlightened ones that knew uncle sam only strikes at hapless nations that can't fight back. Like you rightly said,it's just empty rhetorics, at the end, nothing they can do. North Korea as a nuclear state have come to stay. 4 Likes 3 Shares |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by drakeli: 1:40pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta:They are talking about fully blown out war by the US in Iraq and Afghanistan that destabilized the whole countries and toppled their Russia allied government, you are talking of about just propaganda political disturbance caused by Russia in Georgia and Ukraine. It was not even a war in full sense of it. US is the largest Chinas trade partner. The largest china export goes to the US. You think China is ready to risk losing that? If you are conversant with the news, china has said that it will maintain neutrality in case North Korea provokes an attack by firing missile at Guam a US territory near North Korea. Korea has been issuing rehetorics about attacking Guam. Trump is now saying let's wait and see if North Korea will live up to its words before US will unleash its military arsenals. US is not threatening to attack North Korea until Korea threatened to fire missiles to US coastal region of Guam. You will be surprised Russia and China will maintain neutrality in the case of US war with North Korea. No one wants to risk the event of of nuclear war with the other. The best they can do is to arm North Korea. That's all. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by agabusta: 2:07pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
drakeli: As per the highlighted part above, you are obviously not properly informed, and there is no point going the entire lane with you. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by Rossikki: 2:10pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta: You make sense.... but the fear is that there are some truly demented people at the helm in the US, for whom these calculations are immaterial. That Trump is the president alone is enough to tell you there is an unhinged element at the very top of US policy making. Just last night Trump announced he's considering military action in Venezuela. If that is not a sign of madness, what is? 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by drakeli: 2:12pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
agabusta:Tell me Russia fought a war with Ukraine and Georgia. You call that a war? Just military disturbance between their boarders. How did that measure up with Iraq and Afghanistan? Even Biafra war suffered more casualties and was more fought than those two. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by NOETHNICITY(m): 2:43pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
drakeli:with due respect 2u, u re obviously a big novice in international trend of invents. Do ursef the favor enlightening ursef properly. u re however correct where u said the USA is the biggest recipient of Chinese hord of exports. 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by sunkoye: 4:20pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
NOETHNICITY:Yes ohhhh Rank Trading Partner Total trade 1 United States 521 2 Japan 312.55 3 South Korea 274.24 4 Taiwan 197.28 5 Germany 161.56 6 Australia 136.37 7 Malaysia 106.07 8 Brazil 90.27 9 Russia 89.21 80% are White House friends. Trust me.... China is smart enough than pull those Plugs � for some NK |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by NOETHNICITY(m): 4:50pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
sunkoye:Make no mistake, bothsides benefit immensely Frm each other in this regards. 3 Likes |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by googi: 5:17pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
I am glad we are finally realizing it is all about economic power, trade and exchange rates. Soon some block heads will be justifying exchange rate of one to 500 based on fake economic ppl rather than pure political expediency with the threat of force. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by drakeli: 5:23pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
NOETHNICITY:Trust me, China benefits more in terms of trade from the US. Trump always hammered it during the campaign that China is reaping them off in terms of trade. That he would review trade deal with china. Although he has not done nothing about it. Many US companies are operating from China. Not many Chinese companies in the US. China will not sacrifice it's economic progress for one North Korea. Mind you US is their largest market for all their Chinese products. Unless you want to render most Chinese jobless. |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by seunny4lif(m): 6:18pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
MyNewJackeT:Just like senator Mccain said a night before Russia beginning Before Russia first pics After Russia Second pics All hail Mother Russia Russia strike https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPu_RL7Ncao That video dey sweet me I don watch like 40 times 1 Share
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| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by googi: 6:20pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
I do not think you realize that China is one of the biggest buyer, if not the biggest holder of US treasury bonds. If China dump them, you will know that USA is an economic paper tiger. https://www.ft.com/content/cbde535e-f3db-11e6-8758-6876151821a6 China makes record cuts to US Treasuries holdings Selling comes at a delicate time for bond market facing higher inflation Read next Ageing society spurs flight from US stocks to bonds FEBRUARY 15, 2017 by: Eric Platt and Joe Rennison in New York China cut its holdings of US government bonds by the most on record last year, underlining another risk for investors in the $13.9tn market already grappling with the growing threat of inflation. The country’s holdings of US government debt fell by $188bn in 2016 to $1.06tn, joining Japan, Switzerland, Saudi Arabia and Belgium in reducing their positions last year, new data from the Treasury showed. Of the thirty largest disclosed holders of Treasuries, half cut their exposure. The overall reduction in foreign ownership last year from $6.15tn to $6tn comes as Donald Trump’s plans for tax cuts has prompted many to call time on the 30-year bull market for bonds. Yields on 10-year notes, which rise as their price falls, have climbed back near a two-year high notched in December when the US central bank last tightened policy. “By far the biggest factor driving rates are the fundamentals of inflation and growth but you can swing a long way away from what those fundamentals would suggest based on flows,” said Michael Cloherty, an interest rate strategist at RBC Capital Markets. “Central bank flows are an important factor that should be on your radar screen.” The drop in China’s holdings come as Beijing tries to manage capital flight by intervening in foreign exchange markets to support the renminbi. The country’s foreign exchange reserves slipped below the $3tn level for the first time in January, a near six-year low, data from the People’s Bank of China showed last week. In its effort to stem outflows, Beijing has also tightened capital controls, including curbs on foreign acquisitions. Higher interest rates have also bolstered the attraction of keeping money onshore. China ceded its status as the world’s largest owner of haven US Treasuries in October to Japan, although it did add modestly to its holdings in December, Treasury data showed. Thomas Simons, a money market economist with Jefferies, noted that Belgian holdings remained of keen interest because they are often seen as a proxy for China. Belgium’s ownership of Treasuries fell by $1.4bn over the past year and are more than two-thirds below the $381bn high set in March 2014. “Belgian holdings have been a point of focus due to extreme volatility,” he said. “Belgium had ranked as the third-largest holder of Treasuries as recently as February 2015, but holdings have now fallen . . . out of the top 10. This is significant because it is widely speculated that China executes trades with Treasuries held in custody in Belgium.” The holdings have received added scrutiny as investors await policy changes from Washington. The threat of a trade war between the US and China — or another large buyer of Treasuries — could affect the country’s sovereign bond prices. drakeli: 3 Likes |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by seunny4lif(m): 6:38pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
drakeli:I blame Stalin for not send troops during Korea war. He only trained few Chinese pilots and supplied weapon because my now both NK and SK would have be Korea controlled by Stalin and China. China doing need US for Business, US need China more than China need US China own Africa China now own Europe China own South America All those US bases will destroy with just one Nuke Just like former UK Min to EU said 2 years ao It will take Russia just 1 or 2 Nukes to destroy all EU countries, if Russia want to fight them 1 Like |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by seunny4lif(m): 6:41pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
drakeli:Did you just wrote that? LOL Google is your friend or maybe you were to small to Remember Georgia war? 2 Likes |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by swegiedon(m): 7:06pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
seunny4lif:you shouldn't have quoted him 2 Likes |
| Re: China Will Defend Its Influence In N. Korea/usa War by seunny4lif(m): 7:34pm On Aug 12, 2017 |
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