Mickael2:


Capital YES! Ok invite a doctor who is a full-time lecturer in a university to come and perform a surgery after 30 years away from the field, he knows the procedures and everything but he is rusty and even the NMA wouldn't allow that, he will not be in charge of the surgery no matter his previous experience.

Now you will agree with me that there are some tricks you pull off in the training ground but when you get to the main pitch you find it hard to do right? That's where game time comes into play, if you try such tricks continously you will eventually figure out how to implement it during a match proper so yes I think the game-time(the 33 minutes) afforded him the oppurtunity to implement those skills he learnt

TheGoodJoe:



'He's a very, very good player. He's sharp and quick and he's definitely got an eye for goal,' Wes Morgan said.

'We did a round-robin tournament today and he was on my team. He popped up with some great goals from impossible positions, which is refreshing.

Do you think Etebo would have done better than Iheanacho when it concerns scoring goals from impossible angles? That is why I said as long as Iheanacho is in the side, he is a preferred choice over Etebo to lead the attack.

TheGoodJoe:


As I said before Etebo is not a good choice to spearhead our attack when we have Iheanacho in the side. When it comes to selection, it is best to have the most clinical finisher ahead to make the most of the chances.

Mickael2:


how many goals has he scored from impossible angles in actual games? Zero from what I can recall. Etebo has one goal he scored from an impossible angle, can't recall if it was at the Olympics or the qualifiers for the olympics

TheGoodJoe:


Story. During matches, it is hard to have room to practice skill development. What you work with is what you have developed on the training pitch. You pull of the tricks on the field or try to pull them out on the field.

However, to learn an master the skill is done on the training pitch. Not 33 minutes.

goldfish80:


If we play someone who just stands and wait for passes to come to his feet so as to tap it in from 3yards, we won't win the Camerounians. As simple as that.
Failure to occupy the Camerounian CBs and dominate them will be akin to watching Chelsea with Terry, Carvalho, Drogba etc deal merciless an Arsenal side with Walcott, Arshavin, Denilson, Fabregas, Senderos etc. It will be like that watching a 90 minutes of horror movie.

TheGoodJoe:


Na wa. Iheanacho has not scored goals from impossible angles in actual games. Where were you when Iheanacho scored the screamer after a corner kick routine for the Super Eagles. Ha.

Mickael2:


there are some skills that you can learn during the game proper. Remember Sam Allardyce said Okocha used to tell his players to express themselves during the match proper, some coaches do not like showboating as you know so in training you are not allowed to do it(Like I heard Sean Dyche doesn't allow that) but during the game proper, rather than lose the ball you can try out a trick or two, confidence to try out these new tricks come with constant game time

TheGoodJoe:


How can the player try a trick on the field he has not tried before? The coach minimizes showboating. That does not mean the players do not practice developing themselves as players or do not find themselves in tight positions during training.

Mickael2:


do you even know the meaning of an 'impossible angle'? The goal he scored against Tanzania was in no way an impossible angle

Mickael2:


the point is they do not 'practice' these skills during training sessions, they either practice them during their own personal time(this has nothing to do with the coach) or during a match proper.

And yes, I can instances were players just thought up a skill during a match and it worked. The wonder goal Henry scored against Manu, he said he never practiced and has never been able to replicate it ever since

TheGoodJoe:


You are too stuck on Kelechi Iheanacho. I am talking of Development of young players and the notion of players stagnating on the bench. Without regular playing time, we are watching the rise of a top quality footballer. It means without regular playing time, players can develop. Finito.

Mickael2:


the point is they do not 'practice' these skills during training sessions, they either practice them during their own personal time(this has nothing to do with the coach) or during a match proper.

And yes, I can instances were players just thought up a skill during a match and it worked. The wonder goal Henry scored against Manu, he said he never practiced and has never been able to replicate it ever since

goldfish80:


How can I be the one stuck on Kelechi when we have someone who don't believe he has ever had a bad game even when football people in the country and the player himself have suggested otherwise.

Without playing time, we how do you even begin to measure the growth of a player? Do you watch Asensio in training? If players growth is not measured by playing time, why do players insist on singing for teams who guaranteed them reasonable playing time? Can you define match rustiness?

TheGoodJoe:


Which striker waits for ball to come to his feet. Na wa. There is movement to evade the defenders. Either through physical battles or intelligent movement to get into scoring positions. It takes also brilliant passes to find the later.

goldfish80:

You have always based your defence of Kelechi on lack of balls finding him. Is that not the definition of sitting and waiting?

TheGoodJoe:


You do not need to lie to make a point. When Iheanacho played well and people like you want o paint him bad, supporting your misconception and misunderstanding is deceiving myself.

I have criticised Nacho in games. I think one was against Leicester City last season when I said Nacho should have not stayed with the marker but drop deep to evade them.

I have repeatedly called on Nacho to study Firmino. So I wonder where you got that do no wrong idea.

Also, Asensio is not a Real Madrid regularly but when he comes on, you see quality. What he pulled off yesterday was breathtaking and a new dimension of the Asensio I know. Watching it was a pure reflection of hardwork, confidence and determination. He achieved this without being a Real Madrid regular.

My point is too simple.

TheGoodJoe:


Try a skill during match and it worked is luck. As you can see from your comment, Thierry Henry did not develop the skill there because he could not grow from it.

Practicing on the training pitch and developing is what can be replicated regularly.

TheGoodJoe:


Na wa. Against South Africa, Iheanacho made well-timed runs but the final balls were wrong. With a more accurate passer, we would have Slaughtered South Africa in that first match.

How does well-timed runs equate to passing to you beats my imagination.

TheGoodJoe:


Sorry. It is not impossible but unbelievable. It highlights why he I our most clinical. He is the most to do things like that consistently.

So is Etebo a better option than Iheanacho to lead our attack?

Mickael2:


well Goldfish is the one rooting for Etebo and he has made his points and quite frankly, he is ahead of Iheanacho for me. The game is barely 15 days away and Iheanacho has only played 30mins of football since our last game against SA, there are other players who have been playing and banging in goals who deserve that spot better

goldfish80:

Well timed runs indeed. You failed to point out that he was caught offside a couple of times and was outpaced by a goalkeeper who is 10 years older than him.

Mickael2:


the difference between a great player and an average player is in their ability to take risks during games. If you can't improvise during a game then you are average at best, and if you have only one skill-set you become predictable. Great players try out different things during a match because they are confident and confidence comes with game time

goldfish80:


Just the first few lines you wrote exposed your lies. You were the person who came to this thread after the Leicester City match to praise Kelechi for having a good game. You became frustrated and annoyed when I pointed out his stats and heat maps which showed he touched the ball just 12 times.
I couldn't stand by and watch you decieve thread members who couldn't catch the game with false reporting.
If you deny this, I can pull out your quotes.
Just a few keywords. Should I?

TheGoodJoe:


Na wa. Iheanacho has not scored goals from impossible angles in actual games. Where were you when Iheanacho scored the screamer after a corner kick routine for the Super Eagles. Ha.

AndreTAyodeji:
OMG,that strike was so lit. Nacho won me over with that goal.The goal also highlights his game changing ability as Rohr first game in charge of the SE was already heading out for a draw until Nacho popped up with that all important winner 11 minutes to full time.Also won BBC goal of the week haha

AndreTAyodeji:
OMG,that strike was so lit. Nacho won me over with that goal.The goal also highlights his game changing ability as Rohr first game in charge of the SE was already heading out for a draw until Nacho popped up with that all important winner 11 minutes to full time.Also won BBC goal of the week haha

TheGoodJoe:



That is my point. You guys would support Etebo to play the nine role because he played there in his club. I mean over Iheanacho who we know has been quality for the Super Eagles in recent games. Men.

Thank God Rohr does not think that way. They will go to camp and let me see Etebo pull better stats in camp of Iheanacho when it comes to finishing.

TheGoodJoe:


AND CNN goal of the week. Then people want to tell us that Iheanacho is not clinical or what I do not understand. Many of them forget fast.

Mickael2:


Against Senegal where was the quality? MIA

against Algeria? MIA

Against SA? MIA

so where is the quality in recent games? Do you remember the story of this big American at Sunderland....can't remember his name precisely, who didn't score for almost a year but was still a regular because of his output?

Mickael2:


do you even know the name of the player that has won the Puskas award for best goal for the last 5 years? How does scoring a fantasitic goal qualify you as a clinical forward?

TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho had a good game. There I no way you can say he had a poor game when he did not have good service. He made the most of the situation. Created a clear scoring opportunity for Gundogan, won a clear penalty that was denied.

The question is, how did you not see any of these and asked for one thing.

What of the clear build-up plays by Nacho when he dropped deep?

So, which if these did you see?

Yara Yara, bring my Bullet proof vest. Someone is shooting point blank.