Joebie:
haha.. It's not true that the most clinical player always play CF. Don't u watch as these strikers roam. It's not static o. You will see Ronaldo also score form angles.
the next moment he scores from the middle. Messi as well you will see him in Attacking midfield. Sometimes he is at the wings. Suarez is not the most clinical in Barca. Messi is.

TheGoodJoe:


Messi lately has not been convincing to me, although he has been far away from goal. But Suarez, from Liverpool to Barca has been just amazing when it comes to converting chances.

Either way, they are both exceptional in goal. Etebo does not have that kind of goal scoring history and I doubt he can Outshine Nacho in camp when it comes to goal conversion.

The current competition to me is Onyekuru and not Etebo.

Mickael2:


Sir, should I also dig up the post just so that we can totally destroy him this night? I am in the mood

Joebie:
You are stil not getting my point. For me this is not an Etebo versus Iheanacho discussion. I'm just trying to explain to you the most lethal doesn't necessarily have to be the CF. Messi was the highest scorer last year. And he has ended as the highest in 3 other occasions. But Barcelona can get the most of him for the team if he operates from the wing for example, where Suarez may struggle to excel. So you see there are other factors that need to be considered. Someone was arguing that Etebo does not play as a 10 for his club last year, that means Ajagun was better,
because the latter could never be displaced from the 10 position in Roda. Today, Ajagun plays right midfield. The qualities and weaknesses of your teammate can lead the coach to deploying you on a particular role, it does not necessarily have to do with your strengths alone. Other factors are taken into consideration like how the team wants to play and who can do better on a specific role.

For example I may choose to use Iheanacho in a role where he can shoot at goal more often or cross more often. Playing him as a CF will not help that strategy.

goldfish80:

Abeg cease fire
TheGoodJoe is my good friend although he dug himself into a hole on this one.

By the way, Thegoodjoe if your are reading this, can you explain why everytime Kelechi has a poor game, it is always the fault of midfielders not finding him. I noticed this strange pattern tonight.
If I swapped your comments after the Leicester City game last season and replaced with those after the SA game, nothing much would have changed. Na only Kelechi waka come?

TheGoodJoe:


Nice but in the case of Barcelona, both are very clinical. Like in 2015-2016 that Suarez raked 40 league goals. That is why he can lead the line. In our case, do we have a striker close to Iheanacho when it concerns being clinical in front of goal? That I why Nacho gets my pick to lead the line. (With respect to the debate, which is Etebo - Nacho). The margin is wide.

Joebie:
There is no guarantee that Iheanacho's goal to minutes ratio at Man City last year would guarantee he would be the most deadly striker in world cup qualification. Mind you, he has scored 1 goal after 3 games in World Cup qualification. At the end of the day you can give all the excuses why he din't score more, but the fact is that you meet different opponents and varying circumstances from one competition to another. His stats is good no doubt.

TheGoodJoe:


You are the one Who exposed your lack of understanding of the point. You read a post and could not decipher I was not praising Nacho. Now you said dug hole.

You said I always praise Nacho. Now it is exposed it is not true. So please also rest because you have no point.

As for asking why it is the fault of the midfielders. It is like if you do not watch football at all.

Not long ago, Costa scored lots of goals through brilliant passes from Fabregas. Inzaghi benefited from the incisive passes of Kaka and Pirlo. It is football. If you have a clinical striker who has his way in the box. You need good passes to get he best from him.

Unfortunately, the midfield against South Africa were atrocious, not just awful.

I am tired of explaining basic football knowledge to answer simple questions that simple thinking will answer. When Yekini got repeated brilliant passes, he shone like a million stars. When he was starved passes, he found scoring difficult. Is this not common sense?

goldfish80:


Inzaghi and Costa fight for their team even when things are bad. You see the fire they bring to their teams,you see them dominate CBs, set up team mates, win aerial duels,battle/dominate when they go toe to toe with opposition players and keep the opposing goalkeepers busy. Can you point out a game Costa had about 12 touches last season?

After the Leicester City game, you came online to scream how you were robbed a penalty and bragged about Kelechi having a good game, obviously you wanted so badly to justify how the Pep drills are working wonders.

You speak like a man who have wagered his life savings on Kelechi winning the balon d'Or.

goldfish80:


Inzaghi and Costa fight for their teams even when things are bad. You see the fire they bring to their teams,you see them dominate CBs, set up team mates, win aerial duels,battle/dominate when they go toe to toe with opposition players and keep the opposing goalkeepers busy. Can you point out a game Costa had about 12 touches last season?

After the Leicester City game, you came online to scream how you were robbed a penalty and bragged about Kelechi having a good game, obviously you wanted so badly to justify how the Pep drills are working wonders.

You speak like a man who have wagered his life savings on Kelechi winning the balon d'Or.

Mickael2:


I thought Kayode is in Austria Vienna? And no, it isn't an upgrade by any means, which one is a newly promoted team again? If it's mid-table teams then I may consider that but Girona?

TheGoodJoe:


Weak.

Inzaghi relied a lot on through balls. Costa benefited a lot from brilliant passes from Fabregas. Finish. Starve them of those passes and they would not be that effective.

There is no way you can say he had a poor game when he did not have good service. He made the most of the situation.

My point is clear as daylight. You can try to bend the truth but you can not change it.

goldfish80:

My definition of a world class striker is a striker who can consistently make things happen out of nothing. If a striker keeps waiting for something to drop from midfielders so he can tap it in from 3 yards, he's nothing but an average one chancer. Suarez in his last seaon with Liverpool took the battle to the opposition almost all alone, that is what makes him world class while Charlie Austen is average.

Joebie:
At this stage, we know kelechi's strengths and weaknesses. There are games he would not excel. Personally, I think Kelechi is not a gra gra player.
He needs some space to operate. He has not done badly in the EPL because he is a talented kid. But I think his true potential would be seen somewhere like the Spanish or German league.

TheGoodJoe:


Inzaghi was a World Class striker and he relied on through passes.

goldfish80:

This is what I'm saying. As a striker, I expect him to bring more than goals to the table. Several aspect of his game really needs to be fine tuned. His first touch is still underdeveloped, playing with his back to goal is a big minus, arielly he doesn't win anything and his right foot is quite bad to out it mildly.
The positives to his game are shooting and positioning which are excellent, his passing is decent enough and he's very good from set pieces (corner kicks, Pks). If he can work on his weaknesses he could become a hit, he is young so he can still hit that celine.

goldfish80:


We are no longer in 95. Nobody wants a log up top who waits for things to fall for him. Chicarito would have been playing for Ac Milan if we were in that era.
Teams are better coached and prepared these days to deal with a log who waits to be fed. If you want Kelechi to play like that, then Fulham or Dagenham Redbridge beckons.

Icon4s:


Are you suggesting iheanacho doesn't have such "exceptional brilliance"?

TheGoodJoe:


Note. I said exceptional brilliance on the ball. Iheanacho is not the kind of player that relies on on the ball movements to create havoc. Most of his damage to the opposition comes from his off the ball movement.

EEGA:
Sir,u defend Nacho as if he is an average player from NPFL.If Rohr were to read ur comments ,he won't start him even against Seychelles.Iheanacho should adapt to the Leicester System.His position in the Super Eagles is at stake.

EEGA:
Kayode to Girona,Kelechi with Leicester.Club form and goals will now decide who leads our attack.

zicky:
playing with his back to goal is a Big minus, that same player positioning is a positive. Pls I don't understand this statement.

Btw Iheanacho does play with his back to goal

TheGoodJoe:


Costa receiving through passes from Fabregas is 1995. SMH. Did you watch Guingamp vs PSG two days ago? Did you not see the brilliant through pass Neymar gave Cavani that Cavani converted in a brilliant fashion?

EEGA:
Kayode to Girona,Kelechi with Leicester.Club form and goals will now decide who leads our attack.

goldfish80:

Costa don't bring anything else to the table abi? He just sits and wait for Fabregas to lay it on the plate for him? You speak like someone who just watched highlights of matches. Football is beyond highlights and goals, it's a 90 minutes sport. There are different phases in a game.

The Cavani you mentioned wasn't standing around to wait for a made for the TV pass from Neymar. Cavani completed about 90% of his passes and won about 70% of ariel battles he contested. Even if he didn't score, he put up a good shift. In this modern age, you will rather have a guy who contributes nothing other than standing around to wait for a glorious pass. I tire for you.

TheGoodJoe:


Iheanacho to you just stands on one spot? Without the brilliant pass of Neymar, Cavani will not have scored that goal. Finito.

That was our problem against South Africa. Faulty passes. You talk like someone who only read stats. As if you counted 90% pass completion watching the match. It is just browsing.

I watched the game. Started it, followed it alongside the Madrid - Barca game.

We need to work on creating more incisive and accurate passes to get the best of our forward players. Comprende.

Talking as if Iheanacho brings nothing to the table. Did you not read the Algerian coach when he pointed out that Iheanacho's running helped destabilize their defence? Because, I know you could not watch such a thing and point it out. At least you can read that and know Iheanacho brings more to the team.

Have you not seen Nacho make brilliant passes during counter attacks or rake assists? Ha.

Kelechi Iheanacho: 5/10 - Given a run upfront, the Manchester City man looked out of sorts and awkward, miscontrolling frequently and needing too many touches. Missed a glorious chance late on to put the game to bed.
http://m.goal.com/s/en-ng/news/17252/super-eagles/2016/11/13/29458222/nigeria-player-ratings-vs-algeria/kelechi-iheanacho-nigeria/11

KELECHI IHEANACHO 5/10
Led the attack for the Super Eagles but never really made much impact in the game.
http://www.completesportsnigeria.com/super-eagles-rated-vs-algeria/

BascoVanVeli:

Or maybe Benin republic are not just a bunch of bums.

goldfish80:

This is what I'm saying. As a striker, I expect him to bring more than goals to the table. Several aspect of his game really needs to be fine tuned. His first touch is still underdeveloped, playing with his back to goal is a big minus, arielly he doesn't win anything and his right foot is quite bad to put it mildly.
The positives to his game are shooting and positioning which are excellent, his passing is decent enough and he's very good from set pieces (corner kicks, Pks). If he can work on his weaknesses he could become a hit, he is young so he can still hit that celine.