shadeyinka:


I have never traveled out of Nigeria before.
Do you have VISA to give me for North Korea?

You don't know about other countries. You don't know about other religions.

You sit down in your Nigerian ignorance and claim to know all.


Superhumanist has time. As for me, I have written you off as a religious nutjob.


Why waste time with a brain dead?

JackBizzle:



Felixomoron

Doesn't rhyme
Look for something that sounds better

felixomor:

Doesn't rhyme
Look for something that sounds better

FelixNoMore Sense?

JackBizzle:



FelixNoMore Sense?

Still poor.
Task your brain for once

felixomor:


Still poor.
Task your brain for once

q1

Ode

JackBizzle:
q1

Ode

Coming from the ediort it took a whole thread to lecture on the meaning between "nature" and "existence"

Please look in the mirror

superhumanist:


"He who wants equity must come with clean hands"

Sir, I have been respectful to you. You didnt see me fighting you. I never used harsh words. I speak simple truths.

And sir, you are mistaken if you think western atheists are calmer than us here on Nairaland. They have organisations. They've remove religious practices from public schools. They bash the pope left and right.


Pictures speak louder than words and so, here are your "calm" and "mature" foreign atheists-

You asked about the atheists I have met. And that's the truth. Most were my lecturers and some colegues.

But the behavior of atheists on NL is seriously immature.

Initially, I thought NL atheists were disposed to reason, but I found it not to be. A sane position would have been for each to explain their believe with
1. Scriptures (if applicable)
2. Logics
3. Analogies
4. Science

But, unfortunately I observed that atheists here do not intend to understand the arguments of Theists but irrespective of what is said, their position is that of antagonism.

I have a deep respect for donffd even though he is an atheist. Why? He is reasonable. If only most of you are like that.

Its quite amusing that most of you do not understand enough science to back up your position. You just repeat arguments without any serious thinking.

I don't hate atheists, no! God forbid!
But without thinking, atheists on NL want Theists to measure spirits in the Lab and provide them with an answer (an impossibility). Its just like attempting to measure the volume of a mass by using a voltmeter.

As a Theist, I know that there are two Spiritual Camps.
Good and Evil!
And all humans MUST belong to either side.
Within each side, one can be deep or shallow
and it doesn't matter whether one is conscious of it or not.

If you are willing, we can chat privately on WhatsApp and you will see that Theists position is not unreasonable.

With Respect!
Shadeyinka

JackBizzle:



You don't know about other countries. You don't know about other religions.

You sit down in your Nigerian ignorance and claim to know all.


Superhumanist has time. As for me, I have written you off as a religious nutjob.


Why waste time with a brain dead?

superhumanist:



With all due respect sir, If silence is golden, then you too should stop preaching. Why gives you the right to talk and others not to? There is even a bit of hypocrisy here as it is the religious that are more aggressive. Who condemns the other side to hell? Even you yourself, have you not called myself and other atheists devils? You have called people of other faiths "satanic", yet you are somehow the righteous one here?

I must preach.
Its a duty I have..a command (with a purpose) so that as many as possible will be saved.

If I called a Muslim satanic, that would be a serious offensive action on my part. I rarely do that.Why? They may not serve my God, but they are NOT in opposition to Him.

How about Atheists:
It is true, I strongly believe that they are satanic (no offence intended).
Why?
Satan was the first to attempt to overthrow God and replace Him with himself.
Satan's plan and duty is to convince (through every covert means and strategies) men to do away with God and replace God with other things.

So, men can replace God with
1. Idols (idolatry)
2. Self (atheism)
3. Knowledge (Gnosticism)

Once there is a deliberate choice to replace God with something /someone else, it is satanism.

Interesting, an atheist should never feel offended by the Threat of Hell or the Tag " satanist"! Why?
Because they don't believe in either.

That is my sincere position

shadeyinka:


You asked about the atheists I have met. And that's the truth. Most were my lecturers and some colegues.

But the behavior of atheists on NL is seriously immature.

Initially, I thought NL atheists were disposed to reason, but I found it not to be. A sane position would have been for each to explain their believe with
1. Scriptures (if applicable)
2. Logics
3. Analogies
4. Science

But, unfortunately I observed that atheists here do not intend to understand the arguments of Theists but irrespective of what is said, their position is that of antagonism.

I have a deep respect for donffd even though he is an atheist. Why? He is reasonable. If only most of you are like that.

Its quite amusing that most of you do not understand enough science to back up your position. You just repeat arguments without any serious thinking.

I don't hate atheists, no! God forbid!
But without thinking, atheists on NL want Theists to measure spirits in the Lab and provide them with an answer (an impossibility). Its just like attempting to measure the volume of a mass by using a voltmeter.

As a Theist, I know that there are two Spiritual Camps.
Good and Evil!
And all humans MUST belong to either side.
Within each side, one can be deep or shallow
and it doesn't matter whether one is conscious of it or not.

If you are willing, we can chat privately on WhatsApp and you will see that Theists position is not unreasonable.

With Respect!
Shadeyinka

You are now saying "respect" after being rude and condescending to me because I pointed out how I was respectful in our dialogue. You are also generalising and telling lies about atheists. Each lie worse than before.

Sir, I choose not to engage you further until I see that you are willing to be honest. Do not call people "immature" when you are not behaving mature.

shadeyinka:


I must preach.
Its a duty I have..a command (with a purpose) so that as many as possible will be saved.

If I called a Muslim satanic, that would be a serious offensive action on my part. I rarely do that.Why? They may not serve my God, but they are NOT in opposition to Him.

How about Atheists:
It is true, I strongly believe that they are satanic (no offence intended).
Why?
Satan was the first to attempt to overthrow God and replace Him with himself.
Satan's plan and duty is to convince (through every covert means and strategies) men to do away with God and replace God with other things.

So, men can replace God with
1. Idols (idolatry)
2. Self (atheism)
3. Knowledge (Gnosticism)

Once there is a deliberate choice to replace God with something /someone else, it is satanism.

Interesting, an atheist should never feel offended by the Threat of Hell or the Tag " satanist"! Why?
Because they don't believe in either.

That is my sincere position

What of Bhuddists who dont believe in a god?
What of African Traditional Religion- the religion of your forefathers which involves idolatory?

Are they satanic?

You sir, need to read about other religions. You also need to look at how christianity compares with atheism and other religions in terms of contribution to human development. I will not engage you until you are more well-read.

superhumanist:


"He who wants equity must come with clean hands"

Sir, I have been respectful to you. You didnt see me fighting you. I never used harsh words. I speak simple truths.

And sir, you are mistaken if you think western atheists are calmer than us here on Nairaland. They have organisations. They've remove religious practices from public schools. They bash the pope left and right.


Pictures speak louder than words and so, here are your "calm" and "mature" foreign atheists-

The anger at the supposedly non existent God is real

Funny people

Muafrika2:

The anger at the supposedly non existent God is real

Funny people

I choose to believe that you are a sensible person. I say this because a sensible person would understand that the atheist rally is not anger against God but a reaction to people using religion to deny other people's rights.

There is also the case of being sarcastic. Sarcasm. For instance, some atheists say "God made me an atheist"- and it is not to be taken literally.

superhumanist:


I choose to believe that you are a sensible person. I say this because a sensible person would understand that the atheist rally is not anger against God but a reaction to people using religion to deny other people's rights.


There is also the case of being sarcastic. Sarcasm. For instance, some atheists say "God made me an atheist"- and it is not to be taken literally.

It's just as easy to create posters that mean what Atheists really want to mean .

superhumanist:


What of Bhuddists who dont believe in a god?
What of African Traditional Religion- the religion of your forefathers which involves idolatory?

Are they satanic?

You sir, need to read about other religions. You also need to look at how christianity compares with atheism and other religions in terms of contribution to human development. I will not engage you until you are more well-read.

You don't get my point.
I won't label an IFA Priest satanic, or a Hare Krishna devotee, or a Bhuddist or the AT religonist because, they may not put up a councious defiance against God even though, they don't serve God.

The Act of Defiance/ Deliberate opposition is what I label as satanic

superhumanist:



You are now saying "respect" after being rude and condescending to me because I pointed out how I was respectful in our dialogue. You are also generalising and telling lies about atheists. Each lie worse than before.

Sir, I choose not to engage you further until I see that you are willing to be honest. Do not call people "immature" when you are not behaving mature.

You don't believe in Truce?

Watch my post. I didn't call you by any negative name.

I spoke about the general behaviours of atheists on Nairaland. It wasn't about you.

The Respect! Was to you because I see you are trying to bring out a constructive converse. Respect! Is for your being one of the few Reasonable type.

Muafrika2:


It's just as easy to create posters that mean what Atheists really want to mean .

It takes a really dishonest or mentally limited person to actually believe that atheists who do not believe in god actually believe that god is real and hate him.

I know you are smarter than that. Please, do not fall my hand.

shadeyinka:

You don't believe in Truce?

Watch my post. I didn't call you by any negative name.

I spoke about the general behaviours of atheists on Nairaland. It wasn't about you.

The Respect! Was to you because I see you are trying to bring out a constructive converse. Respect! Is for your being one of the few Reasonable type.

So, have you changed?

superhumanist:

I must first state that I am not an atheist but I am a deist. I was enlightened by an atheist when I was a christian and I left the religion.

Having grown up in a religious village, I was exposed to a lot of superstitious beliefs which were sometimes harmful to innocent people. It was an atheist roommate in the city who helped me to understand that life is not kind to ignorant superstitions. I will never forget this roommate of mine who fought with me tirelessly in order to get me to stop doing ignorant things in the name of religion. I hated him in the beginning and now I really respect him.

I still believe in a god but not the christian god or personal god.


I believe that atheists have a role to play in Nigeria even if it only begins on the internet. Atheists could save many people from superstitious rubbish. What if I told you that I regret beating up a child who I thought was a witch? An innocent child. That was who I was when I was deeply religious. My point is that atheists should keep up the arguments and debates. You never know who you could change.

I know some people will disagree with me and that is fine. It is a free world. Peace.

You were actually a bad and ignorant Christian back in the day. I know a lot of Christians who would disagree with the way you seem to have practiced your Christianity back then.

It need not take the kind of 'enlightenment' you received from the Atheist to see the wrong in some of the things you did. What is wrong is wrong and what is ignorant is ignorant...though I think you are still ignorant to an extent.

If I ask you why you left Christianity and embraced Deism, what would be your 'enlightened' response, considering that you could have still decided to be the Christian who does not beat up innocent children because of your suspicions?

darknez:


You were actually a bad and ignorant Christian back in the day. I know a lot of Christians who would disagree with the way you seem to have practiced your Christianity back then.

It need not take the kind of 'enlightenment' you received from the Atheist to see the wrong in some of the things you did. What is wrong is wrong and what is ignorant is ignorant...though I think you are still ignorant to an extent.

If I ask you why you left Christianity and embraced Deism, what would be your 'enlightened' response, considering that you could have still decided to be the Christian who does not beat up innocent children because of your suspicions?

You asked very interesting questions.

The issue is that yes, there are better christians who do not beat up children. These better christians try to live a morally upright life.

The problem is that it does not change the outright falsehoods and errors in the bible. There are so many contradictions in the bible. The simplest one is the old and new testament. The God of the old testament is megalomaniacal monster compared to the one of the old testament who is more humane.

superhumanist:



You asked very interesting questions.

The issue is that yes, there are better christians who do not beat up children. These better christians try to live a morally upright life.

The problem is that it does not change the outright falsehoods and errors in the bible. There are so many contradictions in the bible. The simplest one is the old and new testament. The God of the old testament is megalomaniacal monster compared to the one of the old testament who is more humane.

Hmmmm....

If I understand you correctly, though you weren't very explicit, you left Christianity because you are upset with what you perceive to be the God of the old testament and your perceived notion that the Bible contradicts itself in some way.

To be frank with you, I don't really give two hoots about your decision to embrace Deism, but I am very curious about your motivation. Like I said before, you may not have gone past the era where you make decisions out of ignorance. I am sure you know I do not mean this as an insult.

If you left Christianity for what you perceive to be a liberation from the bondage of ignorance, don't you think that embracing some other 'religion'...pardon my language here, I choose to tag Atheism too as a religion for want of a better term...when you aren't very sure where you stand with such 'religion' nor why you left the former in the first place, could still be tagged as ignorant?

Yeah, you may want to argue that you are very sure of your reasons for leaving Christianity but to show you how wrong you are, I would ask you these two questions:

1) Defend you belief that God, as depicted in the Old testament was a monster.
2) Show me at least one area in the Bible that is contradictory to you.

I would be glad if you would humor me with some form of evidence, if you have any.


Thankus.

darknez:



Hmmmm....

If I understand you correctly, though you weren't very explicit, you left Christianity because you are upset with what you perceive to be the God of the old testament and your perceived notion that the Bible contradicts itself in some way.

To be frank with you, I don't really give two hoots about your decision to embrace Deism, but I am very curious about your motivation. Like I said before, you may not have gone past the era where you make decisions out of ignorance. I am sure you know I do not mean this as an insult.

If you left Christianity for what you perceive to be a liberation from the bondage of ignorance, don't you think that embracing some other 'religion'...pardon my language here, I choose to tag Atheism too as a religion for want of a better term...when you aren't very sure where you stand with such 'religion' nor why you left the former in the first place, could still be tagged as ignorant?

Yeah, you may want to argue that you are very sure of your reasons for leaving Christianity but to show you how wrong you are, I would ask you these two questions:

1) Defend you belief that God, as depicted in the Old testament was a monster.
2) Show me at least one area in the Bible that is contradictory to you.

I would be glad if you would humor me with some form of evidence, if you have any.


Thankus.

1) Go and read your bible. Just look at how many unnecessary wars that were ordered by God. Women who were raped were forced to marry their rapist. Slavery of non-isrealites was allowed. Why does your God kill innocent children to punish their fathers instead of just punishing the fathers?

GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 25:44-46: As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 45Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another.



So many things to say but I'll let you digest this first

You arguers of Christian-biblicity, why not use the MORAL side of your subconciousness?

We are Afrikans! We know what is expected of a moral society even without it been thought or written! God is in us!

Though we suffer not a witch to live, let HIM command the judged ones to be hacked before we began the battle of junglist!

BUT in this will our hands not be found! Why, because its better we be killed than for us to kill. We killed not, we gave life!

This is the law of justice for injustice. Th law of a just society.

superhumanist:



1) Go and read your bible. Just look at how many unnecessary wars that were ordered by God. Women who were raped were forced to marry their rapist. Slavery of non-isrealites was allowed. Why does your God kill innocent children to punish their fathers instead of just punishing the fathers?

GE 6:11-17, 7:11-24 God is unhappy with the wickedness of man and decides to do something about it. He kills every living thing on the face of the earth other than Noah's family and thereby makes himself the greatest mass murderer in history.

EX 12:29 The Lord kills all the first-born in the land of Egypt.

Leviticus 25:44-46: As for your male and female slaves whom you may have—you may acquire male and female slaves from the pagan nations that are around you. 45Then, too, it is out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you that you may gain acquisition, and out of their families who are with you, whom they will have produced in your land; they also may become your possession. 46You may even bequeath them to your sons after you, to receive as a possession; you can use them as permanent slaves. But in respect to your countrymen, the sons of Israel, you shall not rule with severity over one another.



So many things to say but I'll let you digest this first

Hehehehehe....

Don't get ahead of yourself. You assume too much in your first paragraph. Remember, I am yet to make any assertions of my own. I am yet to tell you if I have a God I worship or not. You on the other hand have made quite a number of assertions, hence my curiosity.

Interesting stuff you have there but a Christian would argue that you try to equate God with mere mortals which can be assumed to be ignorant from the viewpoint of a Christian. Let me give you an example...

Let's assume I make toys...and by some unexpected know-how, I manage to infuse in each toy the ability to think for itself and reproduce. These toys I made for a specific purpose e.g to make my children happy.

If I later decide that I no longer like the toys I made and I decide to do away with them just like I do away with my old clothes. Would it be logical for someone to accuse me of cruelty?

Let's bring it a bit closer home. I bought this set of pots a year ago. At the time I bought them, they were sparkling and I loved them. Yesterday, the same pots I professed to love, I did away with all of them via the trash bin. Does that make me cruel and wicked?

Again, I love to eat chickens. I kill them for food without batting an eye lid. I have also destroyed a whole family of roaches and mosquitoes without flinching or having a second thought. Does doing those make me a mass murderer? Not in the very least.

There is something you need to understand. If a lion kills a human being, by definition, that lion cannot be accused of murder. Only a human being can legally commit murder. The Christians, posit that the God you speak of is not human, hence cannot commit murder.

Secondly, Christians posit that the relationship, in terms of superiority and value, between a human and a grain of sand, cannot be compared with the relationship between God and man. If a human can kill a roach and not be bothered about it, then God can equally do what he pleases to man without any considerations.

You may not agree to it but to a Christian, you argue about the mass murder thingy because you have no clue of the nature of God...that a Christian would call ignorant.

superhumanist:


What of Bhuddists who dont believe in a god?
What of African Traditional Religion- the religion of your forefathers which involves idolatory?

Are they satanic?

You sir, need to read about other religions. You also need to look at how christianity compares with atheism and other religions in terms of contribution to human development. I will not engage you until you are more well-read.

I just had to quit my exchange with him because while I was addressing the belief system he as is typical of most religious people couldn't tolerate someone having an alternative viewpoint and began calling me devil. And the thing is I am not even an atheist. I don't just believe in the Christian god whom I regard as a false god, an Idol set up by people who choose to manipulate man's word believing tendencies.

superhumanist:

I must first state that I am not an atheist but I am a deist. I was enlightened by an atheist when I was a christian and I left the religion.

Having grown up in a religious village, I was exposed to a lot of superstitious beliefs which were sometimes harmful to innocent people. It was an atheist roommate in the city who helped me to understand that life is not kind to ignorant superstitions. I will never forget this roommate of mine who fought with me tirelessly in order to get me to stop doing ignorant things in the name of religion. I hated him in the beginning and now I really respect him.

I still believe in a god but not the christian god or personal god.


I believe that atheists have a role to play in Nigeria even if it only begins on the internet. Atheists could save many people from superstitious rubbish. What if I told you that I regret beating up a child who I thought was a witch? An innocent child. That was who I was when I was deeply religious. My point is that atheists should keep up the arguments and debates. You never know who you could change.

I know some people will disagree with me and that is fine. It is a free world. Peace.

And what are atheists supposed to be preaching? That God doesn't exist and all religions are false, right? That in itself, is RELIGION.
Some people BELIEVE there's God, and some BELIEVE there's no God. Both categories BELIEVE some thing.

Bolaji21:

And what are atheists supposed to be preaching? That God doesn't exist and all religions are false, right? That in itself, is RELIGION.
Some people BELIEVE there's God, and some BELIEVE there's God. Both categories BELIEVE some thing.

When PDP does adverts are they preaching? When cocacola does adverts, are they preaching?

"Preaching" is used for lack of a better word. Atheists, humanists, deists can all talk about the ills of religion in a constructive way

darknez:


Hehehehehe....

Don't get ahead of yourself. You assume too much in your first paragraph. Remember, I am yet to make any assertions of my own. I am yet to tell you if I have a God I worship or not. You on the other hand have made quite a number of assertions, hence my curiosity.

Interesting stuff you have there but a Christian would argue that you try to equate God with mere mortals which can be assumed to be ignorant from the viewpoint of a Christian. Let me give you an example...

Let's assume I make toys...and by some unexpected know-how, I manage to infuse in each toy the ability to think for itself and reproduce. These toys I made for a specific purpose e.g to make my children happy.

If I later decide that I no longer like the toys I made and I decide to do away with them just like I do away with my old clothes. Would it be logical for someone to accuse me of cruelty?

Let's bring it a bit closer home. I bought this set of pots a year ago. At the time I bought them, they were sparkling and I loved them. Yesterday, the same pots I professed to love, I did away with all of them via the trash bin. Does that make me cruel and wicked?

Again, I love to eat chickens. I kill them for food without batting an eye lid. I have also destroyed a whole family of roaches and mosquitoes without flinching or having a second thought. Does doing those make me a mass murderer? Not in the very least.

There is something you need to understand. If a lion kills a human being, by definition, that lion cannot be accused of murder. Only a human being can legally commit murder. The Christians, posit that the God you speak of is not human, hence cannot commit murder.

Secondly, Christians posit that the relationship, in terms of superiority and value, between a human and a grain of sand, cannot be compared with the relationship between God and man. If a human can kill a roach and not be bothered about it, then God can equally do what he pleases to man without any considerations.

You may not agree to it but to a Christian, you argue about the mass murder thingy because you have no clue of the nature of God...that a Christian would call ignorant.

A cockroach is not sentient with intelligence. A toy is not sentient with intelligence. You are a christian- that is the only reason why you would put such a ridiculous defense of the atrocities of Yahweh.

superhumanist:

I must first state that I am not an atheist but I am a deist. I was enlightened by an atheist when I was a christian and I left the religion.

Having grown up in a religious village, I was exposed to a lot of superstitious beliefs which were sometimes harmful to innocent people. It was an atheist roommate in the city who helped me to understand that life is not kind to ignorant superstitions. I will never forget this roommate of mine who fought with me tirelessly in order to get me to stop doing ignorant things in the name of religion. I hated him in the beginning and now I really respect him.

I still believe in a god atheism is defined as Belief that no deities exist (sometimes including rejection of other religious beliefs) but not the Christian god or personal god.


I believe that atheists have a role to play in Nigeria even if it only begins on the Internet (Internet crusade) . Atheists could save (atheism offering salvation) many people from superstitious rubbish. What if I told you that I regret beating up a child who I thought was a witch? repentance An innocent child. That was who I was when I was deeply religious. My point is that atheists should keep up the arguments and debates. You never know who you could change (you mean redeem)

I know some people will disagree with me and that is fine. It is a free world. Peace.

The atheist obviously did an incomplete job on you, cos he succeeded in turning you to deist, and not an atheist. You may sound better if you put points forward to establish the validity and soundness of your religion, deism.

superhumanist:


A cockroach is not sentient with intelligence. A toy is not sentient with intelligence. You are a christian- that is the only reason why you would put such a ridiculous defense of the atrocities of Yahweh.

@Bold, I trust you made yourself believe that the comment make sense. Lol. Like I said before you are yet to drop your ignorance. Same way you attribute witchcraft to little children is still very much the same way you look at someone and give them attributes you feel like. I guess when next you see me making comments that seems to defend Allah, you would call me a muslim. SMH!!!

Also, It is ignorant to attribute human characteristics to one whom you think is made up. Only humans can commit murder.

Your use of sentient is actually the most ignorant of the lot. Do you even know what it means to be sentient? I gave you a simple narrative, to follow but it seems it is too much for your to grasp your mind around.

In any event, I have gotten what I came here for...you are still very much ignorant.


Have fun.

superhumanist:


So, have you changed?

How can I?
Over the Truth!?

Which is Better, to
1. Exchange Hope for Hopelessness!
OR
2. Exchange Hopelessness for Hope!

Its so simple.

LightandDarkness:


So we should just forget the old testament?

Watch d guy run to d old testament when he hears tithe!