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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 11:07am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80:. Firstly were they more physical dan the chileans nd did they play with dat much physicality?.....they played mostly with speed n good passes all am saying is dah we shouldnt play physical with dem cuz we cant match their physicality simple passes,speed,nd skil should help us get something against cameroun nd i didnt say we shouldnt field physical players was only talking on how we should approach d game 2 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:11am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:The skillful players you listed there are just 3 in the persons of Victor Moses, Iwobi and Moses Simon out of a possible 24-26 players. Kelechi is not skillful anymore. They have coached it out of him at Man City. Mikel is Mikel, he's an economic player. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:13am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Did Pedro and Messi not press? The reason why a lot of teams in modern football resort to pressing is to combat the lack of physical presence. Pressing requires combined effort to retrieve the ball. This nullifies one-to-one battles for the ball. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:15am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Kelechi is still skillful but he now uses more off-the-ball movements to cause havoc. It is reinvention, not coaching out. Have your forgotten the way Nacho dribbled the goalkeeper of the Zambian team? Is that not skill? What of his dummies last season? He is skillful and is more skill than power. 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:25am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: This is one thing most people don't understand. Playing physical doesn't mean you're kicking people all over the place. Rough and physical aren't the same thing. The Barcelona team were doped to the eyeballs,that explained why they pressed with that much energy. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:28am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:You're just playing the ostrich. How many dribbles does he complete in a match? How can you classify a guy who completes less than 1 dribble per game as being skillful? 5 Likes |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:31am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Na wa for you. Did you read invention? Iheanacho causes havoc through off the ball movement but when he pulls off dribbles, it is clear to see he is quality. A player without skill can not skin a keeper with such accuracy. . 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:36am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:Skin which keeper? What was so special in going round a keeper when that was his only choice? If you played football, you won't be in such awe that he went round the Zambian keeper after being set up by Brown. When you talk about invention and "movement" being what he does more now goes back to justify my claim that skills have been coached out of him at Man City. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:41am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Hehe. Lekwa Footballer and skinning. Stop making me laugh. That was brilliance. By the way, add Onyekuru and Isaac Success to your list of ala skillers. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:42am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:How many caps do Success and Onyekuru have combined? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 11:45am On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: Iheanacho - bad control per game - 1.2 Keep playing the ostrich. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 11:58am On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: When you said out of 24-26 players, are all of the 24-26 players regularly capped? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:03pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:06pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
@ bolded. That's arrogance. Based on our head to head record with SA, I don't see that OVERWHELMING superiority. #fact junnyjake: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:09pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:Those 2 players have a combination of 1 cap. Onyekuru's "cap" against Corsica and Togo aren't official. So there you go. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:10pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
A half fit Mikel is not better than them.. That's a very disrespectful remark. And it is not a statement of fact. That's the point I'm making. Don't make it seem we overcome opponent at ease even with the presence of a FULLY fit Mikel. Na today Mikel start to dey play for us? We don't even have a great record to start with, even with a FULLY fit Mikel. Mikel is not Messi. He is not Ronaldo etc. Those are the kind of players that are indispensable even when they are half fit. It's an exaggeration to me. Mikel is good. And I mean that as a praise. But I'm not going to put him where he is not. #NoSentiments because I'm a Nigerian TheGoodJoe: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:14pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
I like to wait for game time. Sentiments don't save you. It is what it is -- sentiments. Should he play for us although half fit? That's a decision the coach has to make. But let's not make it seem as if the rest of our players are really that bad.. Come on now! junnyjake: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:17pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:How many dribbles does he complete per game? Aren't you contradicting yourself? You said earlier he modified his game around speed and movement or something like that. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:19pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe: Are we going into a Rugby game? What I mean is we have the calibre of players that can COPE with their physicality. we are not going into a physical battle with them. All this all emphasis on physicality does not hold for me. If we rattle them with our sleek play and crisp touches and passes they may not finish the game with 11 players. Haha haha. Typical of them. I think I would need a sleek player like Simon in this kind of game, even if it is second half. Victor Moses is also sleek and strong in addition. Mikel will definitely cope well if played in AM position. Onazi as we all know is a kind of player for this occasion. He is a fighter in the midfield. Iwobi may not be too physical but he makes up for it with his sleek passes. Kayode if made to start if Iheanachp does not make it is also quick and sleek player. We have a strong CB pairing of Eking and Balogun. And Ndidi must sit just on front of the duo. Echiejile is not a newbie as far as African football is concerned. So I trust him to cope. I dont know who will play RB but if it is Shehu I am not worried. Bros me no fear o. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:21pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
That's a more balanced viewpoint. Balogun and Moses were also missed big time. AndreTAyodeji: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:24pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Just put the stats. That's enough for any analytical mind. It becomes a hype when there is too much opinions. Stats speak louder. AndreTAyodeji: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 12:31pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie:plz wah does at bolded mean been seeing dat on this thread since.. 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 12:34pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Hmmmm |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:36pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
This is my fear for SE. I know some of us have been saying don't go physical if you want to beat Cameroon, because they would win that war. I agree with that statement to some extent. Let me start from where I disagree. If you say we should opt for more sleek play, speed blah blah etc. The question I have for you is will we learn all that style of play few days to the game? The truth is we are most likely to play our own game, the game that we have been seeing us play, and of course we should expect some tweaking here are there. Should Rohr decide to come with a whole new approach all together, what is the chance that we can master it few days going into the game? Does our game as it stand have some measure of physicality? Do we have excellent positioning, speed, and sleek passes? It's okay to judge from our best match in recent times -- Algeria match. Let's get realistic and analyze ourselves based on when we have a full house. And then also talk about the adjustment we need to make, if we must stand a chance to beat Cameroon. Rohr rightly said what I've been saying. Cameroon after playing a considerable number of matches together have a better chance playing as a team than us. I'm not saying we will lose, but I'm saying many things point to their favor. Sleek play, cohesiveness etc are attributes mostly seen in teams that have played more together. Hence, Cameroon stand a higher chance of playing as a team than we do. I'm not expecting likes to this post because this is a Nigerian forum. But I will always say things as it is. Sentiments aside. Modified A coach can devise ways of beating a team using new tactics which can be mastered during training. But attributes likes sleek play, cohesiveness etc can't be mastered overnight. Icon4s: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:48pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: Tolo tolo talking. Whoscored have showed you Iheanacho is a strong dribbler. You can keep playing tolo tolo or move on. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 12:48pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Try to trace the comment I replied to. You will see the portion that is in boldface. That is the part i'm making reference to when I say @ bolded pyrex23: |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:50pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Mikel has been key to the little success we have had. He might not be Messi or CR7 but he is the Messi and CR7 of the Super Eagles in recent years. His intelligence is a big string that ties the team together. We need his quality and I hope the other young ones keep developing themselves. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:53pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie: Obviously you know the drill here. We love making contributions based on platitudes. They want us to play like Arsenal against Cameroon and survive. When the buck that makes up our players don't play that system at their clubs not to talk of the national team. We love living in denial in this country. That is why we are where we are politically and economically. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The same Nigerians you see in government are the same Nigerians you find on Nairaland. So what do you expect? |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by pyrex23(m): 12:53pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
SCORENigeria can again exclusively report that Chelsea defender Kenneth Omeruo and Uche Agbo from Belgian club Standard Liege are among the five players placed on standby by the Super Eagles for next month’s World Cup qualifiers against Cameroon. Twenty three players will hit the Eagles training camp for the Titanic World Cup showdown, while five others have been put on standby to cover for any absence. Omeruo is not in the Chelsea squad for this season and he is shopping for another club to go on loan or be sold outrightly. Agbo, on the other hand, is trying to settle down at Standard after his summer transfer from La Liga club Granada CF. There will be three central defenders in the squad – Leon Balogun, William Troost-Ekong and Chidozie Awaziem, while Turkey- based Elderson Echiejile is the only leftback picked. No tyronne ebuhei? scorenigeria.com.ng/2017/08/21/eagles-put-omeruo-uche-agbo-on-standby-as-23-hit-camp-for-cameroon/ 1 Like |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:54pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
Joebie: We are more of a passing team than direct play. Our defenders also play a highline which is a direct proof of our team work play. Resorting to direct long ball play as against cohesive build-up play is actually us switching from the norm. The call for us to rely on our speed/skill/build-up as against playing in a more physical fashion is a call to stick with what we are known to do. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by goldfish80(m): 12:55pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
TheGoodJoe:I'm yet to see those whoscored stats. Bring the numbers and let's go from there. |
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:57pm On Aug 21, 2017 |
goldfish80: You want to argue with whoscored? I laugh in Yoruba. |
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