TheGoodJoe:


We are more of a passing team than direct play. Our defenders also play a highline which is a direct proof of our team work play. Resorting to direct long ball play as against cohesive build-up play is actually us switching from the norm.

The call for us to rely on our speed/skill/build-up as against playing in a more physical fashion is a call to stick with what we are known to do.

TheGoodJoe:


You want to argue with whoscored? I laugh in Yoruba.

Iheanacho - bad control per game - 1.2
Aguero - bad control per game - 2.8
Kelechi's current weakness isn't his touch but his dribbling; he gets dispossessed 3-4 times more often than he completes dribbles whilst Aguero is dispossessed about the same amount of times as he goes past someone.

goldfish80:


Obviously you know the drill here. We love making contributions based on platitudes. They want us to play like Arsenal against Cameroon and survive. When the buck that makes up our players don't play that system at their clubs not to talk of the national team.

We love living in denial in this country. That is why we are where we are politically and economically. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. The same Nigerians you see in government are the same Nigerians you find on Nairaland. So what do you expect?

goldfish80:

Bring his dribbling statistics. Let's see the numbers and make analysis.

The quoted are real numbers. Bring something like that to match your point or hold your peace.

Joebie:
Try to trace the comment I replied to. You will see the portion that is in boldface. That is the part i'm making reference to when I say @ bolded

Joebie:
You know I like to stick to the Rohr era in these discussions. Because he is still the coach. And the most likely thing to happen is what he has been doing with SE

TheGoodJoe:


From a forum member on Bluemoon over whoscored and you want me to the you seriously.

Whoscored has made it clear that he is a strong dribbler. Whether you like it or not is not my business. Bye yo.

Iheanacho - bad control per game - 1.2
Aguero - bad control per game - 2.8
Kelechi's current weakness isn't his touch but his dribbling; he gets dispossessed 3-4 times more often than he completes dribbles whilst Aguero is dispossessed about the same amount of times as he goes past someone.

TheGoodJoe:


Mikel has been key to the little success we have had. He might not be Messi or CR7 but he is the Messi and CR7 of the Super Eagles in recent years.

His intelligence is a big string that ties the team together. We need his quality and I hope the other young ones keep developing themselves.

TheGoodJoe:


Going with physical players against Cameroun is a suicide mission because we will play to the advantage of the Camerounians. You can not expect to beat them at their own game. We need to go with creativity, speed and invention. Run them riot coupled with intelligent and quick passes.

That is the best approach.

goldfish80:

That forum member actually pulled his stats as you can see. Bring your own stats to put his stats to shame. Is that too hard to handle?
Bring his stats to support your claims of his dribbling abilities.



Bring numbers to counter this.

TheGoodJoe:


From a forum member on Bluemoon over whoscored and you want me to the you seriously.

Whoscored has made it clear that he is a strong dribbler. Whether you like it or not is not my business. Bye yo.

zuchyblink:
my bro, you are right and wrong at the same time because creativity, speed et al will only work on standard football pitch and on our bumpy African pitches

goldfish80:

Whoscored even claimed he likes to tackle. That should tell you something lol.

TheGoodJoe:


Which stat are you seeing there concerning dribbling. All those one is story. You and I know whoscored are pretty accurate whether you like it or not. Whoscored proved you wrong. Move on.

Iheanacho - bad control per game - 1.2
Aguero - bad control per game - 2.8
Kelechi's current weakness isn't his touch but his dribbling; he gets dispossessed 3-4 times more often than he completes dribbles whilst Aguero is dispossessed about the same amount of times as he goes past someone.

goldfish80:


If it takes him 4 attempts to complete one dribble that should tell you something.

TheGoodJoe:


If you are talking us using a direct approach because from your suspicion we would play on a terrible pitch, I can agree with you. However, there is no fact to support that case and we have been passing on different pitches across Africa.

TheGoodJoe:


In the Rohr era, we are still a passing team over a long ball direct route. Unless you have not watched us play under Rohr.

zuchyblink:
rough football fields have stunted our progress in Africa. Believe me this game is not primarily for our inexperienced nacho and iwobi

Joebie:
I've not said the contrary if you understood my post clearly. I'm saying let's argue based on the reality. There is some aspects of physicality in our game still.
This is our best game in the Rohr era, in my opinion. Victor Moses was the tormentor in chief. If I must sit on the fence analyzing that game, I would say Algeria troubled us. They missed some sitters. But a win is a win. We have not arrived at all.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_m64ISLoAM

TheGoodJoe:


I wonder who said we have arrived. One of the common term thrown here is that we are still building. Rohr is not long in the job.

The fact remains that we are more of a creative team than a physical one.

Joebie:
Good so don't write-off teams. That's what I call arrogance. If we were actually dominating teams, at least I will say that arrogance can be backed up. Most of the time -- if not all the time -- we can't back up our arrogance. We just make noise.

TheGoodJoe:


This game is for the players who can bring intelligence, speed, skill and good passing. Not experience or inexperience.

Joebie:
This is my fear for SE. I know some of us have been saying don't go physical if you want to beat Cameroon, because they would win that war.
I agree with that statement to some extent. Let me start from where I disagree.

If you say we should opt for more sleek play, speed blah blah etc. The question I have for you is will we learn all that style of play few days to the game? The truth is we are most likely to play our own game, the game that we have been seeing us play, and of course we should expect some tweaking here are there. Should Rohr decide to come with a whole new approach all together, what is the chance that we can master it few days going into the game? Does our game as it stand have some measure of physicality? Do we have excellent positioning, speed, and sleek passes? It's okay to judge from our best match in recent times -- Algeria match.

Let's get realistic and analyze ourselves based on when we have a full house. And then also talk about the adjustment we need to make, if we must stand a chance to beat Cameroon. Rohr rightly said what I've been saying. Cameroon after playing a considerable number of matches together have a better chance playing as a team than us. I'm not saying we will lose, but I'm saying many things point to their favor. Sleek play, cohesiveness etc are attributes mostly seen in teams that have played more together. Hence, Cameroon stand a higher chance of playing as a team than we do. I'm not expecting likes to this post because this is a Nigerian forum. But I will always say things as it is. Sentiments aside.

Modified
A coach can devise ways of beating a team using new tactics which can be mastered during training. But attributes likes sleek play, cohesiveness etc can't be mastered overnight.

zuchyblink:
football is for men and not for boys

goldfish80:

The skillful players you listed there are just 3 in the persons of Victor Moses, Iwobi and Moses Simon out of a possible 24-26 players.
Kelechi is not skillful anymore. They have coached it out of him at Man City. Mikel is Mikel, he's an economic player.

Mickael2:


it must not always be a midfield three. in our bid to always play a midfield three we have sacrificed Etebo who I believe is out best LWF presently, we have a lot of wingers I repeat again, why can't we use that to our advantage? when Spain had a lot if midfielders they even played a 4-6-0 formation in a final at the Euros, we need to play to our strengths. we musnt always play like the foreigners

TheGoodJoe:


Hehehehe. Football is for the best players. Not based on Men or boys. Messi was still a teenager when he became one of the best in the World. Same with Ronaldo De Lima. Mikel was still young when he started playing for the Super Eagles. So it is not by age.

TheGoodJoe:


Hehehehe. Football is for the best players. Not based on Men or boys. Messi was still a teenager when he became one of the best in the World. Same with Ronaldo De Lima. Mikel was still young when he started playing for the Super Eagles. So it is not by age.

TheGoodJoe:


Mikel can cut it in one of he top teams. He has massive talent. He was not given the opportunity to express himself. That is all. Quality wise, watch him against Spain and tell me such talent can not cut it.

edi287:

I thought Etebo was a CM/CAM?? Even if we were to play him on the left, where does Vic Moses play?? On the right? I mean it's not a bad idea having a front 3 of him, Iheanacho and Vic Moses with Iwobi as a 10 with Mikel and Onazi/Ndidi/Agu as pivots but the question is if he's going to be able to make those runs someone like Musa does from the flanks

edi287:

I thought Etebo was a CM/CAM?? Even if we were to play him on the left, where does Vic Moses play?? On the right? I mean it's not a bad idea having a front 3 of him, Iheanacho and Vic Moses with Iwobi as a 10 with Mikel and Onazi/Ndidi/Agu as pivots but the question is if he's going to be able to make those runs someone like Musa does from the flanks

TheGoodJoe:


Going with physical players against Cameroun is a suicide mission because we will play to the advantage of the Camerounians. You can not expect to beat them at their own game. We need to go with creativity, speed and invention. Run them riot coupled with intelligent and quick passes.

That is the best approach.

junnyjake:


@bolded. How much of that do we have in our team presently.