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Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 1:55am On Aug 23, 2017 |
So let me start with the Not so good news.... *1* , (for Medical profession) job experience in Nigeria, no matter how many years (Housejob, NYSC,MO,Reg, S-Reg, Consultancy) is not acknowledged by the Canadian system. *No matter where you were trained, as far as your job experience is only in Nigeria, it doesn't count* The only countries job experience are acknowledged by Canada are *1. USA 2. UK 3. AUSTRALIA 4. IRELAND 5. SOUTH AFRICA * There were 5 ways to get into the Canadian system *1st Pathway ![]() If you have 4yrs of work experience in ANY SPECIALTY in any of the 5 countries (USA, UK, Australia,Ireland or South Africa), you will be absorbed directly into the Canadian medical system....you'd just only take an EVALUATION EXAM.... *Prognosis* :- very favorable, evidenced by the fact that that's the route even Canadian citizens are taking knowing that direct entry into their system is very difficult..... *2nd Pathway:* If you have 2yrs Internship in FAMILY MEDICINE in any of the aforementioned countries, you'd be absorbed directly too, as a Family Physician after taking an Evaluation Exam..... Then the main advice is that Rural areas have a high demand for Family Physicians, and the pay is more, the stress is Less.... *Prognosis* :- highly favorable and highly recommended....as evidenced by confirmation from another doctor. There is freedom and flexibility in the rural practice... The doctors are fresh... *KIV* :- They both adviced doctors to get Married before rural practice because you will know /see everyone as patients.... And here, once someone has become your patient, there are some papers and hyperformalities (doctor-patient clauses) you have to sort out before marrying the person....� They both adviced that it actually takes a while (i.e. through the above routes to be established, but that when you start earning, you will know it is WORTH THE journey/ SACRIFICE. Then, if FAMILY MEDICINE is not your major end point, after being a registered doctor, you can then apply into any other specialty that you now desire... Eg...if I like to specialize in O&G....thenn I go to Ireland to do 2yrs Internship in FAMILY MEDICINE, then enter Canada, get registered, and I now want to go into the O&G, I can now get Specialization opportunity and start O&G. *NB: the main point is, the salary is not child's play when you get registered here....* *3rd Pathway* : - *Academic Route--* That is to come in for Masters degree, get permanent residence and start doing their exams (EVALUATION and QUALIFYING EXAMS part1&2)...then get into the system... *Prognosis* :- very poor..... Evidenced by the fact that 80% of those that took that route end up as research assistants and teachers in College and universities...(even though the pay is good, but can't be compared with Clinical practice).... They say many of our Regs and Consultants are trapped there as well.... And then just continue to PhD level. *4th Pathway* :- (almost like the 3rd) To come in for Masters (Funded by the School) , get up to PhD level, work a bit and then apply directly into Specialization (still after the examination) then enter the system... The issue is that on the journey to PhD, you'd be engaged with teaching sciences, and you will be comfortable and may not have the time to start seating for the Licensing exams.... *Prognosis:* again, they said the majority of foreigners who take that route end up becoming Professors (since they're already high up the academic ladder) and keep teaching, never getting into the clinicals... The pay for Profs is quite higher than ordinary lecturers, and writing thesis will not allow you prepare for "children's exam.... The only catch for the PhD holders is a stable job and theyre easily accepted when they apply for specialization. 27 Likes 7 Shares |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 2:07am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Part 2 *5th Route ![]() Do the MCCEE where you can, then come into Canada for MCCQE Part 1 & 2... While preparing for the exams, you may not get a good job because You'd probably be on study visa... NB: even though you have an MBBS from any of the countries, no Loc um.... *Breakdown of salaries of the different levels of career* When you come in through path1 & 2, when you apply,and they assign you to a rural community, you get a stat dose of $50,000 for 3months.... Then subsequently, The basic salary is $200,000/annum $=CAD *1 Cad$ = N270* For senior doctors (as you advance in experience and your job reviewed from time to time) it begins to rise from $250,000 And Heavy long-term Specialists earn up to $500,000 /annum. Lecturing even up to PhD level you earn between $50,000 & $60,000/annum. If you have been lecturing for years and as a Prof, you can go home with $100,000/annum. So the man candidly concluded/advised the following.... 1. Transition from Masters/PhD is very difficult, (many get stuck and end there) and if you'd be fulfilled Lecturing, then go through that route... But if any still desires Clinical practice, you need to be patient, pass through the hurdles, "IT MAY TAKE TIME, BUT WHEN YOU GET IN, IT'D BE WORTH THE WAIT" You'd earn more than engineers with >20yrs experience as starting salary.... The pass rate of MCCQE is not very encouraging.....(but all things are possible.....favor can follow you oh...) And if you're coming in as a fresh Licensee, the waiting list is very long.... It could still take a while, Its not automatic. After all said and done.. In the multitude of counsel, there's safety... & All things are possible...in all It's unto everyone according to his Faith.. ..Please make informed decisions and tell others as applicable. *CAVEAT* * The above counsel is not a limitation on anyone, neither does it hinder from expression of personal Faith... *Then lastly,* *There's the PROVINCIAL NOMINATION PROGRAM* Where a Province will nominate you, (after you apply and meet some criteria) for PERMANENT RESIDENCE ... That is, you'd come in as a permanent resident... However, eligibility criteria includes 1. EMPLOYABILITY 2. AGE 3. ADAPTABILITY 4.EDUCATIONAL LEVEL 5.LANGUAGE. 1. *EMPLOYABILITY* has to do with work experience. They like finished products more than freshmen... So for Engineers, and some other courses, their work experience counts...so they get higher points. The more years, the more points.. *Medical Doctors (whose only experience is in Nigeria), don't get the points..* *2. AGE* Ages 18 - 35 score the highest points (max 12)....in Nova Scotia The older above 35, the lower.... *One last pathway* , is what I call THE BOURGEOISIE PATHWAY This is when you have up to $200,000 to start a business in Canada that will employ 4-6 and above number of Canadians as staff.. Apply and you'd get Permanent Residence stat. 26 Likes 8 Shares |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 2:08am On Aug 23, 2017 |
sweetrie:See my post above |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by salford: 5:16am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Ekpekus:Going forward, you are no longer Ekpekus but Dr. Ekpekus.... ![]() Choi...see starting salary.... My friends husband in North Saskatchewan earns just above 200k per year as a doc, yet the wife would say he is not earning much... smh 7 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by maternal: 5:30am On Aug 23, 2017 |
salford1: Well said. I can speak on this personally. Working in the oil-patch in northern Alberta, back then the oil companies would give people 40k to put a down payment on a house if they lived in town. On top of that, they'd give employees an extra 1,500 per month on top their salaries to help pay for their mortgage every month. Keep in mind back then to get a good house, you'd have to spend close to 1 million dollars. I refused to take such a deal, as I know oil like any commodity, is shaky at best. I said I'd buy a house in either Edmonton or Calgary, where a million dollar house in northern Alberta is worth 400k in those cities. So even if I lose my job, the economies in those two cities are more diverse, that I know I could get a job rather quickly. And my monthly payments are much lower, that even a "survival job" would allow me to pay my bills. But the Nigerians at work wouldn't listen to my advice. They were so eager to get into these new houses, form big boy, and claimed you could never lose appreciation after buying a house. Well after oil being at 90-100 USD per barrel, it went down to as low as 28 USD by 2016. Massive lay offs occurred. And you guessed it, those cocky fellow Nigerians lost their jobs or salary drastically reduced. The 1500 per month perk was taken away, etc. People literally had to choose between paying their mortgage or buying food/everyday needs. Peoples houses got foreclosed, their houses taken away by the bank, etc. Those 1 million dollar houses were now worth 400-500k at best. At one street I remember seeing 10 houses side by side all for sale "by bank". Those peoples credit is now messed up. I was fortunate enough not to lose my job, and I will be transitioning into the federal government. So I'm official stable (or will be) stable. Everyone will have their strategy and take more risk than others. But you simply cannot walk or run before you crawl. I'd personally get a solid foundation before buying the most expensive thing you'll ever buy in your life. But don't be fooled, a house can definitely depreciate. Though its most likely to appreciate. http://business.financialpost.com/personal-finance/mortgages-real-estate/if-you-thought-your-housing-market-was-bad-check-out-fort-mcmurray-the-heart-of-canadas-struggling-oilsands/wcm/c2ae649c-6400-4459-8269-66ac657cef1f 40 Likes 6 Shares |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by maternal: 5:32am On Aug 23, 2017 |
salford1: I'm confused. I've been saying this for some time now. Yet people attacked me, and screamed God dey, God dey, God dey. 5 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by salford: 5:43am On Aug 23, 2017 |
maternal:I believe the reason you were attacked is because you are straight forward-blunt like oyinbos (or what others called manner of approach)...you say it the way it is...not a bad thing actually as it shows sincerity, but for some reasons, we naija people don't appreciate when people are straight in your face blunt ![]() 22 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by nairalandefcc20(m): 6:02am On Aug 23, 2017 |
salford:hello do you know how much I can get a place in Toronto? |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by nairalandefcc20(m): 6:06am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Ekpekus:man how do I contact you |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by salford1: 6:08am On Aug 23, 2017 |
maternal:i was one of the early casualty..i got the pink slip in late 2015 ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by salford1: 6:12am On Aug 23, 2017 |
nairalandefcc20:You might have to check kijiji. Cost of getting place would depend on factors like type of accomodation, part of town, bills included or not e.t.c 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 6:12am On Aug 23, 2017 |
nairalandefcc20:You can PM me |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 6:13am On Aug 23, 2017 |
salford:Amen.. I claim am wella ![]() 1 Like |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by nairalandefcc20(m): 6:23am On Aug 23, 2017 |
salford1:thanks that helped alot |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by nairalandefcc20(m): 7:01am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Ekpekus:hello please can you message me with the number displayed on .y signature? |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by dupyshoo: 8:15am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Hmm, this is what happens in developed countries when house prices are artificially inflated due to high demand. If lenders keep giving mortgage to people that cannot afford it, it is inevitable that house prices will eventually crash. In my opinion, financial stability is required before taking up mortgage. maternal: 7 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by sweetrie(f): 8:33am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Ekpekus:Good morning Dr Ekpekus, hehehe. I have this exact same info. I made further enquiries and the results were not pleasing. The problem being that after passing all the exams there are very limited spaces for residency program, and you can't practice without doing residency. So a lot of foreign trained doctors are stuck here. I got this information from Google, I was wondering if someone on ground could give more insight. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by vcole: 8:45am On Aug 23, 2017 |
@ekpekus, that post was circulated before and when I read it, I shook my head because it has so many flaws. @sweetrie The img pathway is a bit windy in Canada. As far as I know and according to the valid information given by mcc and provinces as regards medical practice, there are 2 pathways open to IMGs. Pathway 1. You write and pass mccee and nac osce. Then have a minimum of 7,7,7,7 in academic ielts not more than 2yrs old then you apply for the residency match called carms. Apps open in September and close in Nov or so yearly and I think interviews happen between then and January and the match occurs in March and residency starts in July. If you have passed mccqe1, it makes you more attractive. If you have a reference from a licensed Canadian physician, it makes you more attractive. The province of Alberta has a separate img match from the Canadian/US grads match. Those img match slots are competitive. However, if you are able to get a recommendation from the aimga (Alberta img association), you stand a very good chance of matching a residency prog. The aimga has different requirements from the carms. They require a pass in mccqe 1 and ielts written not earlier than May of the year preceeding your intended match year. Pathway 2 Physician practice readiness assessment aka PRA. For now Manitoba, Sask, BC have PRAs. Newfoundland recently suspended theirs. Requirements are pass in mccee (for sask and Manitoba you also need a pass in mccqe1 and mccqe2 or nac osce) + 2yrs evidence of family medicine residency or 2yrs of clinical practice with rotations in paeds, obsgyn, surgery, internal med and psychiatry. Your Nigerian clinical practice is very well recognised. So if you qualify, you get assessed and if you are accepted, you sign a return of service contract for 3yrs (4yrs in Manitoba) and get posted to a rural area to work and after you finish you get your license. You'll however need to pass the family medicine fellowship exams. Matching a residency prog or getting accepted into a PRA prog are both very competitive. Also, bear in mind that in Canada, you can pass all of the MCC exams and yet not get into residency or get into a Pra for a while. So, it is always advisable to have other plans for career growth asides waiting to get a spot. As regards pay, a resident earns about $250k annually and on the average a GP earns $300k annually. Specialist physicians earn more. The ministry of health pays a GP $150/each patient s/he sees. So if you do the math, $300k is pretty easy to come by. This is why they say when you eventually get your license it is worth it, if you're in for the money sha. 19 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ehrnie: 8:46am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Interesting conversations going on here - every day's indeed a school day. ![]() @salford, @ maternal - I envisage you both are engineers and have worked in the "oil patch in Alberta". As an engineer in the same discipline, is there any advise you can share regarding certification/licensing...etc. that will be useful in securing a job in Canada? Other engineers that are silent followers can kindly contribute.... dupyshoo has been very helpful in advising on getting the EIT status via APEGA, but apart from this is there any other thing I can set in motion now before relocating to CAN? Your help is much appreciated. Many thanks. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Nobody: 8:54am On Aug 23, 2017 |
1. What's the best province for an Information System Auditor/ Securities to secure a job 2. Is it possible to secure a flat on kijiji.ca (without having anyone to help me) before landing 3. Is it possible to buy a car on kijiji.ca (with no one to help me) before landing? 4. Can I use my valid naija license to drive legally for a year before I process the Canadian one? Thanks 1 Like |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by vcole: 9:18am On Aug 23, 2017 |
@dupyshoo, how market? They run credit checks oh. As a new immigrant in Canada, you can get a credit card approval on arrival under the newcomers plan which most banks have as they start you off at a credit rating of 700. So it's left to you to maintain good credit or not. Now, when you wanna purchase a property, you go to a developer or realtor, etc. They tell you the property is going for xyz amount, they will also tell you what their minimum down payment is for example 10%. Then they also require you to obtain a mortgage approval from your preferred lender. Your mortgage lender could be a bank or some other institution. The requirements for a mortgage approval differ from lender to lender. However there are certain guidelines/rules that do apply to all mortgage lenders. As regards the interest rates, you can opt for a fixed term rate or a variable rate, all up to you. The instances where Mr. John Bull chooses to go and find a mortgage lender to approve him for an amount that his current income would in other circumstances not qualify him for, are the exceptions and not the norm. 2 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by vcole: 9:21am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Wura27:2. I wouldn't recommend that as you should view the place before you sign a lease. 3.I really wouldn't advice that. You should view and inspect a vehicle before purchasing it. 4. You can drive for 90days as a pr with your naija license. I believe (?only) tourists can drive for 1yr 2 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by sweetrie(f): 9:34am On Aug 23, 2017 |
vcole:Thank you very much. We will consider other career options. I am aware in Ontario you have to do one year unpaid internship before residency, I was wondering if that applies to all the provinces. God bless you. Will continue researching. 1 Like |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Nobody: 10:07am On Aug 23, 2017 |
I really would love to find out,for those of us in the financial sector what courses or preparation do we need to do to get a good job in canada. Thank u 1 Like |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by toyogirl: 10:10am On Aug 23, 2017 |
Okay, so if one gets a place where the tenant pays utilities, how does the 'OFF-PEAK' play out regarding hydro bills? I also gathered that when you leave some gadgets/appliances plugged in, they use up power even when not in use...same for opening refrigeratorso too often. Now, for the appliances that come with most rented apartments/houses, what's their usual energy ratings? Please our canny seniors, @vcole et Al, set us on the right path ![]() maternal: 1 Like |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 1:51pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
sweetrie:The fear of uncertainty will be there no doubt. The fear of "what if" is bound to come but have this at the front of your mind "IMPOSSIBILITY IS NOTHING". Many IMGs have been matched, so you stand a chance. Yes it's competitive, so are you.. brace up to the challenges and see them succumb. We nor come Canada come look oyibo face, na professional we be and we nor go settle for less. In essence all things are possible if you believe and work it out. 5 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Ekpekus(m): 1:56pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
vcole:Yeah.. you are right. Alternatively, some IMGs go to UK or US for residency and come back here to start practicing. My belief is this: As far as people get matched via CRAMS, then we fight for our place.. we have put our hands in the plough and no looking back. Make we relate for one corner @vcole 5 Likes |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by czaratwork: 2:09pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
so sorry. i posted the information here on monday but it was deleted and i was also suspended for 2 days. please if you need info on how to convert your ACCA to CPA please let me have your pm and in my response i will send it to you. the process is long so please start now. follyzee: 1 Like |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by czaratwork: 2:15pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
please when are you landing? your number 1 question is of interest to me because though i am an accountant, i want into IT Wura27: |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by sweetrie(f): 2:54pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
Ekpekus:Yes oh. Thank you plenty |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Nobody: 3:25pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
I'd know for sure when I buy my ticket but it should be before Christmas. czaratwork: |
Re: Living In Canada/Life As A Canadian Immigrant by Nobody: 3:29pm On Aug 23, 2017 |
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