petra1:


Let's humble ourselves bro. Admit your wrong na. You wrongly accused 2 ministers without evidence and proof . I gave you opportunity and benefit to back your claim . NONE . That's my point . Don't judge men of God by hear say . Don't even judge . Because you only see from your perspective . Focus on your call if you have any. Reach out to sinners rather

What evidence do you need that these men teach false gospels of free choice and prosperity, health wealth sham and tithe and take from the poor and prophesy half-truths and stage miracles. What evidence? when it's right on your face but you can't see. Should I open your eyes and give you understanding. I'm not God na.

If you are looking for that "Slavic-humility" you wont find it. I'm free in Christ.

An2elect2:
Just say you don't like my posts and I would understand.
I'm use to this play, take care!

If you had used: poor soul, poor chap, poor guy or poor man instead of poor child,
then that sympathy defence will stand it's ground

I like your posts, I even have in the past, liked majority of some of your posts

Don't take the constructive criticism personal

I wouldn't have, if you've done same to me, more so, if you are right.

chrisav:
yes Jesus died for all. suicide bombers, prostitutes, fornicators, thieves, liars.
He became sin he who knew no sin. He didn't come to condemn sinners by wants all men (false teachers inclusive) saved.
lastly reread the story of the wheat and tares. Jesus himself would separate the true believers from false teachers not u. Let both grow any attempt to do so like this showmanship would cause division in the church rather than edification

So we should keep quiet and wait for ignorant people to be sent to hellfire through the false teachings and deception of the wolves in sheep's clothing until the last day when Christ shall seperste the true believers from false teachers? No sir. The parable of the wheat and tares teaches us not to drive anybody away from the Church on account of being sinners. Let them continue to come so that they can have opportunity to make their ways right. Apart from that, the parable teaches us that in the process of driving incorrigible sinners away, they may influence others who would have repented and given their lives to Christ to leave with them. That is the wisdom the parable teaches. It does not refer to leaders or teachers who weild negative influence on the innocent people. No not at all. Though as Christians we should not engage in personal insults or name calling, Christ our Lord does not say we should keep quiet while people for who Christ died and who may die at any moment are being deceived and sent to eternal hell fire. Some of these deceivers may later repent but the eternal harm is already done. Thanks.

chrisav:
yes Jesus died for all. suicide bombers, prostitutes, fornicators, thieves, liars.
He became sin he who knew no sin. He didn't come to condemn sinners by wants all men (false teachers inclusive) saved.
lastly reread the story of the wheat and tares. Jesus himself would separate the true believers from false teachers not u. Let both grow any attempt to do so like this showmanship would cause division in the church rather than edification

Are you saying we should keep quiet and wait for ignorant people to be sent to hellfire through the false teachings and deception of the wolves in sheep's clothing until the last day when Christ shall separate the true believers from false teachers? No sir. You misinterpreted that parable. The parable of the wheat and tares teaches us not to drive anybody away from the Church on account of being sinners. Let them continue to come so that they can have opportunity to make their ways right. Apart from that, the parable teaches us that in the process of driving incorrigible sinners away, they may influence others who would have repented and given their lives to Christ to leave with them. That is the wisdom the parable teaches. It does not refer to leaders or teachers who weild negative influence on the innocent people. No not at all. Though as Christians we should not engage in personal insults or name calling, Christ our Lord does not say we should keep quiet while people for who Christ died and who may die at any moment are being deceived and sent to eternal hell fire. Some of these deceivers may later repent but the eternal harm is already done. Thanks.

petra1:


What's your proof or reason that they are false?

Secondly have you thought about the fact that you may be wrong in judging them . And if for any reason you're wrong have you also thought about the consequence .

It is only sinful and has consequences if the warning is based on hatred, envy or wrong motive. The Bible says by their fruits, ye shall know them. Insults and name calling is anti-Christian. But the ignorant people need to be warned to be wary of wolves in sheep's clothing for their temporary and eternal wellbeing. Thanks.

NoWorries7:
TB Joshua, is a very evil and dangerous man... Others are learners compared to him. Empty vessels make the largest noise. You need to see his real face to believe. The one lesson, I have learnt. Is that-The more humble, prudent, quiet and calm, the more poisoneous... And very hard to trap...
Because upon the wicked, the lord shall rains snares...
Pride comes before a fall.
Whoever exalts himself shall be abased
No peace for the wicked
saith the lord.

Your words are ruthless.

An2elect2:
What evidence do you need that these men teach false gospels of free choice and prosperity, health wealth sham and tithe and take from the poor and prophesy half-truths and stage miracles. What evidence? when it's right on your face but you can't see. Should I open your eyes and give you understanding. I'm not God na.

If you are looking for that "Slavic-humility" you wont find it. I'm free in Christ.

you have made ZERO point within the context of this discussion. You are only showing your general anger with pastors. But still no real point.

UnchangeableGod:
It is only sinful and has consequences if the warning is based on hatred, envy or wrong motive. The Bible says by their fruits, ye shall know them. Insults and name calling is anti-Christian. But the ignorant people need to be warned to be wary of wolves in sheep's clothing for their temporary and eternal wellbeing. Thanks.

you have said nothing. Know God for yourself, God is not coming to rapture Christ Embassy members or Deeper Life members. It is based on individual and what they have in thier heart. The heart of my pastor has no bearing in determining if I will make heaven or hell.

An2elect2:

these men teach false gospels of free choice

How is it false ? Don't you have free choice ? You have choice to obey and not to obey . The responsibility of our salvation is ours not Gods . If you put the responsibility on God . Your gospel is false . Why do we need to preach the gospel then if God is running the show ? Hope You see the point.

and prosperity, health wealth sham

Prosperity is only a part of the package . Would you rather prefer the gospel of poverty .

2 Corinthians 8:9 (KJV)
9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

Besides have you ever heard TB Joshua talk of prosperity ?

and tithe and take from the poor

I thought you want men to be poor should that be a concern of yours? Tithes are given to God . Offerings are given to God .

and prophesy half-truths

Give example of the half truth prophecy you heard from them . Let's analyze it Or keep quiet.

and stage miracles.

Did you see them stage one? Kindly mention . Make it open before all as a righteous judge .






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petra1:
@ Donnie did you notice the book Benny was reading

Of course na. Pastor Benny already has testimonies of miracles received as a result of reading rhapsody. He and several other notable men of God around the world will dismiss these kind of allegations immediately. I mean men who understand the realm of signs and wonders...not story tellers.

The matter is too high for me but I know that the worst thing any minister of God can do to himself and his ministry is to come against anointed men like Pastor Chris.
It's equivalent to putting a PAUSE on your growth.

SMH... Very Sad.

UnchangeableGod:
Are you saying we should keep quiet and wait for ignorant people to be sent to hellfire through the false teachings and deception of the wolves in sheep's clothing until the last day when Christ shall separate the true believers from false teachers? No sir. You misinterpreted that parable. The parable of the wheat and tares teaches us not to drive anybody away from the Church on account of being sinners. Let them continue to come so that they can have opportunity to make their ways right. Apart from that, the parable teaches us that in the process of driving incorrigible sinners away, they may influence others who would have repented and given their lives to Christ to leave with them. That is the wisdom the parable teaches. It does not refer to leaders or teachers who weild negative influence on the innocent people. No not at all. Though as Christians we should not engage in personal insults or name calling, Christ our Lord does not say we should keep quiet while people for who Christ died and who may die at any moment are being deceived and sent to eternal hell fire. Some of these deceivers may later repent but the eternal harm is already done. Thanks.

U got it all twisted friend. Read through my post and I hope u comprehend.
My stand : u can't put out darkness with darkness rather u do so by putting on the light.
Preach and teach the truth ( not name calling) and watch how false doctrine will become obvious before the flock. Regards

donnie:


Of course na. Pastor Benny already has testimonies of miracles received as a result of reading rhapsody

I watched the testimony. I think it's on YouTube

He and several other notable men of God around the world will dismiss these kind of allegations immediately. I mean men who understand the realm of signs and wonders...not story tellers.

Yes na . The ignorant only circulate the ignorance among themselves .

The matter is too high for me but I know that the worst thing any minister of God can do to himself and his ministry is to come against anointed men like Pastor Chris. .

It's a malicious spirit . They usually come up with " it's was staged " but when the miracle is proven beyond doubt then they go " ITS BLACK MAGIC ". Or pelebo abi what's the name

chrisav:

U got it all twisted friend. Read through my post and I hope u comprehend.
My stand : u can't put out darkness with darkness rather u do so by putting on the light.
Preach and teach the truth ( not name calling) and watch how false doctrine will become obvious before the flock. Regards

Friend, you can only preach and teach the truth to drive away false doctrine within a flock when you are permitted to do so by the same leaders who do not want you to contradict them. The alternative and safer way is to correct the error from outside. Thanks to the (social) media.

DangotePikin:
you have said nothing. Know God for yourself, God is not coming to rapture Christ Embassy members or Deeper Life members. It is based on individual and what they have in thier heart. The heart of my pastor has no bearing in determining if I will make heaven or hell.

You are wrong sir. This is not about denominationalism. It is about the ignorant 'sheep without shepherd' in the various folds. The 'blind that are being led by the blind' would naturally fall into the ditch if no one is compassionate and courageous enough to tell them where they are being led (Matthew 15:14; 23:16). You are rigjt in saying "The heart of my pastor has no bearing in determining if I will make heaven or hell". But what of his teachings, his body language, his subtle influence? Whether we accept it or not, most of the adherents and religious devotees look up to their leaders for inspiration. They believe virtually all their pastors say, especially those pastors who are so bold and those that perform 'miracles'. You can see that fake and dubious pastors will likely lead so many people astray, into eternal doom. The funny thing is that some of these deceitful preachers will later repent and will be forgiven. What of those who have been misled by their erroneous teachings, lifestyles and negative influence? Prevention is better than cure. Unfortunately, there is no cure for eternal mistakes!!!

DangotePikin:
you have said nothing. Know God for yourself, God is not coming to rapture Christ Embassy members or Deeper Life members. It is based on individual and what they have in thier heart. The heart of my pastor has no bearing in determining if I will make heaven or hell.

You are wrong sir. This is not about denominationalism. It is about the ignorant 'sheep without shepherd' in the various folds. The 'blind that are being led by the blind' would naturally fall into the ditch if no one is compassionate and courageous enough to tell them where they are being led (Matthew 15:14; 23:16). You are right in saying "The heart of my pastor has no bearing in determining if I will make heaven or hell". But what of his teachings, his body language, his subtle influence? Whether we accept it or not, most of the adherents and religious devotees look up to their leaders for inspiration. They believe virtually all their pastors say, especially those pastors who are so bold and those that perform 'miracles'. You can see that fake and dubious pastors will likely lead so many people astray, into eternal doom. The funny thing is that some of these deceitful preachers will later repent and will be forgiven. What of those who have been misled by their erroneous teachings, lifestyles and negative influence? Prevention is better than cure. Unfortunately, there is no cure for eternal mistakes!!!