win2kwire:
Only juju?
religion is a fraud, the same people bad mouthing juju here are just as stupid and naive to believe in religion and heaven after they die.
Africans are the lowest humans on planet earth, like monkeys or just above them. There is no other way to explain it!

God is real!

okija shrine

I was quite surprised when i saw this thread because i knew this type of thread on Nairaland have ceased to exist or rarely happen, needless to say I was justified.

ultron12345:
GBAM....one of the best comments I've ever read...........they say their god is supreme but call other gods idols.....foolishness

Gbam! one of the stupid comments i've read...
Some of the so called free thinkers will not believe anything they cannot personally prove, which just about discounts all history. Good luck with your delusions.

pamcode:
I was quite surprised when i saw this thread because i knew this type of thread on Nairaland have ceased to exist or rarely happen, needless to say I was justified.

This is why I called on Lalasticlala to recycle it and let it look as if there is hope.

Even after hundred years of this publication, these horrible practices still exist openly these days.

Does it mean its still a fraud?

Just curious.

Yes Sir,
It's fraud.... it's like black paper story ... still exist
But it's sti bulshit

Op wee u shut up?!!!
Juju is more real than your supposed messiah. There is nothing more fake than Jesus or ur pastors performing miracles.

RichyBlacK:
And the fraud continues:

[size=18pt]Nigeria: Benin Chief, Four Juju Priests Arrested for Human Trafficking[/size]
Simon Ebegbulem
7 September 2009

Benin — THE National Agency for the Prohibition of Traffic in Persons (NAPTIP), Benin zone, has arrested a Benin Chief, and four juju priests over alleged involvement in human trafficking.

The agency also alleged administering of oath to some girls who are trafficked abroad for prostitution.

According to the Benin zonal Head of NAPTIP, Barrister (Mrs) Olufunke Abiola, who spoke to Vanguard on the arrest of the Chief and the juju priests, the arrest of the Benin Chief of Benin Kingdom, is sequel to a petition by one Mrs Juliet Osifo who claimed that the chief sponsored her daughter, to Italy, enroute Libya but was trapped in Libya after she was arrested by the Libyan authorities.

She expressed worries over what she described as the incessant denials of the "fact that young girls of Benin decent are still in human trafficking and taken away for prostitution.

"Now as you would see, there is a very big case on hand that would prove to every body that no one is exempted, whether Benin, Urhobo, Itsekiri or Yoruba, every body is involved in this and it must stop.

"The young girls are ignorant. Like I said, sometimes, we find it difficult to prove a case against these traffickers because the girl will not want to expose her trafficker and apart from that, they are put under oath.

"So, this zone has been very very busy looking for all the juju priests that put some of the girls under oath. Some of them are even in our cell.

"We asked them to go and renounce that oath of the life of that girl so that the girl can feel free to be a human being because the oath ties them down spiritually."

The Chief, who spoke to Vanguard, admitted that his daughter in Italy requested he should bring the lady to Italy to assist her in her beer parlour, but that she was, however, stuck in Libya. "So what we are doing now is to see how we can bring her back to Nigeria so that she can stay with her parents,"he said.

Meanwhile, over 500 indigenes of Edo state who have been languishing in Libyan jails arrived Benin weekend, just as they appealed to both the state and federal governments to assist their colleagues who are still left in the Arab country to come back home to avert further deaths of the Nigerians.

Source: http://allafrica.com/stories/200909080645.html

Remember ds Yoruba adage; ijoba a mu ni mogun. Government will always arrest you and your JuJu. Reason: you don't know specifically who to face.

RichyBlacK:


What are you saying? You just listed two things that negatively affect the practice of human sacrifice and then ignore the reality that those factors will hamper the practice?

Difference between 100 years ago and now regarding human sacrifice:
1. Indisputably labeled a crime  - makes the practice more risky
2. Done in secret - makes the practice more arduous
3. Less adherents due to Christianity - means less people that view human sacrifice as okay
4. Less adherents due to education - means less people willing to be fooled by dirty old decrepit men chanting gibberish in smelly huts in remote locations
5. More efficient information flow - means more people are aware of the fraud called juju.
All of the above creates difficulties for an outdated practice.

The then famous Okija shrine was raided by policemen and the priest and maintainers of the shrine were arrested. If juju was as powerful as some people want us to believe, with all the fear-mongering talk, why didn't the Okija priests disappear or use their juju against the policemen? Plain old fraud!

You're correct that some Nigerian Christians don't practice what Christianity teaches, however, the few that do are still relevant to the discourse.




Maybe you're new on this forum, but long before I posted this article, I have argued on this forum about the fraudulent nature of ALL juju claims, not some but ALL of them.

Your supposition that my taking a stance on juju and my posting this article have a causal relation is premature. My stance on the fraud of juju is only a reiteration of my long-held view and not because of one article. I hope this is clear to you.

Nevertheless, the article puts in perspective, the fraudulent nature of juju claims.

While I agree that general "juju" efficiency idea is false, there is however a different
"proof" which you seem to ignore, it is good enough for gullible people to be wowed
by it.
It goes thus:


Juju Man: If you think my juju is a fraud drink this poison or touch this
item and you will start convulsing.

Audience: Echoes in agreement

Skeptic: I can't drink your poison.

Juju Man: You can all see for yourself that I am right, the skeptic is scared
shit of the power of my juju. Who else don't believe that I can conjure money, fly
unaided and remotely control people ?

Audience: We believe you.


The conclusion doesn't follow the argument, but it is sufficient for most believers.

RichyBlacK:
@nuzo,

Do you have any verifiable evidence that juju can be used to violate any of the physical laws?

Test and see

RichyBlacK:


I accept this description of juju - remaining in the psychological.

However, some people believe that a human corpse can turn to crisp naira, dollar and pound notes if left in a coffin following certain juju instructions. This is absolutely impossible.

am sure you belive that the human body over the years at the RIGHT condition comes to become a natural gas


so define IMPOSSIBLE

texazzpete:


Well, people say lots of things. Do i believe anything just because i haven't 'witnessed' it myself? No!
I am not willing to enter any agreement or consider any scenario that involves anyone who luckily survives a bullet wound turning a gun on me. However, if you're game, i'll pay N500000 to anyone who manages to repel a bullet fired from my gun. I have no hangups about killing anyone, so it may well be a worthwhile diversion to:

1. Prove my point
2. Rid the world of one more occultist

I'd like to see the day these our famed Juju men ensure Nigeria wins the world cup.

As it was in 2009, so it has always been even in 2016 and 2017. Same challenges have been thrown to those who profess these beliefs with so much confidence, yet none has been willing to carry it out the challenges. Just a few months ago one even claimed to be able to drink poison/acid due to faith in Yahweh, when challenged, he reneged and called it a slip/mistake!

cc: dalaman

9jaganja:
@ Richy black.

When you said people openly sacrifice humans. For the record, it wasn't openly done. cultism (religion) is different from tradition. An occultic body might get hold of power in a particular region and change the tradition forcefully just like Sharia is forced on Persians because the ruling party believes in the Quran and Sharia laws. However, voodoo (juju) does exist and it exist in such a way that you'll mistake it for something else. Trust tons of your pastors are using these powers. Don't tell me when pastor Chris flings his handkerchief and tens of people in that area falls down. Don't tell me that isn't juju and if you religious folks want to call it holy ghost's power, then I think the juju practitioners have the right to call theirs too whatever they want. There is no difference in Christianity, Islam and voodoo. except that one is not being preached or forced on you. All these religions deals with unseens.

Also, you mentioned something about blood etc, Even Abraham was supposedly told by your "god" to kill a ram right? Forget what the new testament brings. I read the Bible clearly starting from my book of Bible story when I was young to reading the real thing when I got older and decisions got bolder. There is none or very little difference in voodoo and other major religions. Let's not be BIASED towards Christianity or Islam against our traditional beliefs. If you think killing animals for worship is barbaric, there are tons of belief systems in Yoruba land that deals with fruits as offerings. There is no one god or one way to a better after life. Your deeds here on earth matters not who or what you believe in. The Biblical and Quranic god seems to be more blood thirsty though. Christianity is same as Islam just that one has evolved to suit current society while the other is stuck in 2 millenniums ago.
Women were oppressed in the Bible as well as Quran whereas in ancient Africa, Women were seen as Creators, Leaders, Queens, Economic power, and a blessing to the society. Women were strongly oppressed in the Bible and Quran so bad, I wonder how any African got to accepting these barbaric beliefs as civilized.

I thank you bro... Infact I owe you three bottles of beer

RichyBlacK:


2. The stories in the Holy Bible were written by men inspired by God and many of them cannot be considered literally.

For example, the story of Adam and Eve. That story in the Genesis cannot be taken literally, just like many stories in the Bible, including the many dreams in the Old Testament and the many parables in the New Testament. Your question may then be, why do I consider myself a Christian if I do not accept the literal interpretation of the Genesis story. My answer is this: I believe in the Genesis story. How about evolution? The theory of evolution remains our best theory on explaining the origin and nature of the species.

A follow-up question is: Don't you find a contradiction in believing in the Genesis creation story and agreeing with the theory of evolution? The answer: No I don't. Why? Let me explain using two sentences:
1. The White House was built by the U.S. government
2. The White House was built by black slaves

Both statements are correct!

I wished this was 2017! The NL creationist mongrels would have come for your skin with their rabid teeth!

Africa
And you wonder why it is the least developed continent.

jtigwell0:
God is real!

in your monkey head yes!
you have no evidence but you believe, speaks volumes of your IQ and literacy levels fool!

RichyBlacK:


Transportation
Today, there is a reason why you don't find Christians challenging the laws of nature, unlike adherents to primitive belief systems. Christians and their pastors like Adeboye are in no delusion that they can cover the distance between Lagos and Houston by praying and fasting; no such claims can and ever will be made! They use commercial aviation, and the wealthy ones (that's another topic) have private jets to fly them around.

Fast forward to 2013, same Adeboye claimed tha the drove from Ore to Lagos without petrol in his car but only on prayers. I can conclude from this, that Adeboye and his christian followers are sure in a box of delusion .

win2kwire:

in your monkey head yes!
you have no evidence but you believe, speaks volumes of your IQ and literacy levels fool!

God is real.. keeping yourself in pain of trying t disproving it is danger to your physical and mental health. go figure.. Your creator is real.. evolution is fake, adaptation, tolerance is real.. God is real!! stick that in your anus!

Stupidity is when you set out to attack who you are,your very own back ground with records from those who need you just the way you are now so they can own you.my friend there is no religion more fraudulent than the abrahamic faiths

RichyBlacK:
I'm publishing this paper on Nairaland to show evidence of the fraud called juju.

Please read the paper before making comments. Thanks.



An African Fetish
Author(s): A. A. Whitehouse
Source: Journal of the Royal African Society, Vol. 4, No. 16 (Jul., 1905), pp. 410-416
Published by: Oxford University Press on behalf of The Royal African Society
Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/714715

Insightful!!!

RichyBlacK:


@Afam,

Let me address these points:

1. Being a Christian and knowing that ALL juju claims are fraudulent are not mutually exclusive events!

I'm a Christian and I know that ALL juju claims are false. But I'm not alone. In my church (Lutheran), I belong to several youth clubs and we organize several activities within the church and in the wider community - teaching math and science, helping the old folks mow their lawns, painting homes for charity, etc. In our downtime/social gathering, I've brought up this issue of juju and explained in great detail many of the claims made by proponents of juju. I have news for you! Not a single one of them, all Christian, believed ANY of the juju claims that violate physical laws. The ones that made them laugh was when I described the corpse-to-currency juju. Those chaps laughed for days!


2. The stories in the Holy Bible were written by men inspired by God and many of them cannot be considered literally.

For example, the story of Adam and Eve. That story in the Genesis cannot be taken literally, just like many stories in the Bible, including the many dreams in the Old Testament and the many parables in the New Testament. Your question may then be, why do I consider myself a Christian if I do not accept the literal interpretation of the Genesis story. My answer is this: I believe in the Genesis story. How about evolution? The theory of evolution remains our best theory on explaining the origin and nature of the species.

A follow-up question is: Don't you find a contradiction in believing in the Genesis creation story and agreeing with the theory of evolution? The answer: No I don't. Why? Let me explain using two sentences:
1. The White House was built by the U.S. government
2. The White House was built by black slaves

Both statements are correct!

Do you believe in the account of the "forbidden fruit",I want fact.

Is the writer an African?

jtigwell0:
God is real.. keeping yourself in pain of trying t disproving it is danger to your physical and mental health. go figure.. Your creator is real.. evolution is fake, adaptation, tolerance is real.. God is real!! stick that in your anus!

another african ape!

If u say juju don't have power

Go to Enugu ezike and try to arrest King of Satan

Na their u go know say juju dey

A guy doing baba ijebu was shot here last week and bullet didn't penetrate
was it not juju he used to protect himself?

RichyBlacK:


High-velocity Projectiles
Christians and their pastors are under no illusion that an assassins bullet will be repelled by some magical force. Nope. On the 13th of May 1981, when the Holy Father, Pope John Paul II was shot by Mehmet Ali Ağca ("a trained expert Turkish gunman", though the bullet was accelerating towards the Vicar of Christ, the laws of motion and those of thermodynamics were not violated; though the projectile may have had some hesitation about striking His Holiness, it just had to obey the inviolable laws of nature! Papa was struck!

Christians and their pastors can be seen with heavily armed escorts and bullet-proof cars. It's not that they don't believe in the power of God, it's just that the laws of the universe, laid down by Baba God Himself, do not respect any mortal - witches o, babalwao o, dibia o, shaman o; those laws MUST be obeyed.

I think there is a set of christian denomination who are under this illusion ooo! You see them wearing their dirty and stinking lemon aprons everywhere, rolling in muddy water and performing acrobatics like mad men in the middle of the road. Their name rhymes with something *chosen*

This is interesting, please keep the thread going.

win2kwire:


another african ape!

God is real you faggo.t!
Some of the so called free thinkers will not believe anything they cannot personally prove, which just about discounts all history. Good luck with your delusions.
Shame we can't go back on time to give your dad a condom

ojlifa:
Stupidity is when you set out to attack who you are,your very own back ground with records from those who need you just the way you are now so they can own you.my friend there is no religion more fraudulent than the abrahamic faiths

The op is a bloody hypocrite.I wish he is still active to answer some questions.


I don't want to comment about juju because to me it is very useless(it might be real but I don't give a fvck). Where was juju when the colonialists were exploiting and colonising Africa?I've read books about juju and African warlords;kings like jaja of opobo,Behanzi(Gbehanzi) of Dahomey etc.These warlords later became slaves to the colonialists,what really happened to their juju?

juju is freaking real

there is a place in Niger state where the call out bullt and do tradio-bulletproof

juju is real
so is God
heaven devil and angels

Hmmm I pity this colonial master who wrote this long list that that juju is fraudulent.. Let us take from (magun) thunderbolt, he should please send one descants for a trial..

jtigwell0:
Gbam! one of the stupid comments i've read...
Some of the so called free thinkers will not believe anything they cannot personally prove, which just about discounts all history. Good luck with your delusions.

and you.....can you personally or generally prove any of those your beliefs.......good luck with your ignorance.