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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:45pm On Aug 27, 2017
That's my point.. still waiting for stats and reasons.. if he can't supply those, will he concede? If not, it's sentimental

TheGoodJoe:
Your reaction when someone tells you AWONIYI is better than IHEANACHO. shocked shocked shocked

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:47pm On Aug 27, 2017
Joebie:
Let's not forget Moses Simon did very well at the Europa league. And Simon have been in SE and have had decent games. With the national team,
changes need to be done gradually, of course as long as we are winning. However, Onyekuru is better, based on recent club stats. Again, we can say based on other factors it could tilt the other way. Let me say again, coaches make decisions based on various factors. Let's not say Simon has past glory alone. If you ask me who I prefer, I will say Onyekuru. But to say there is foul play in selection, that's another matter. You are not the coach, you don't know what he is looking for. He has ran the rule over Onyekuru as well.


when I said Onyekuru should be there, it was based entirely on my own perception. in fact sef, I never called for the inclusion of Onyekuru but Kayode remember? and if you ask me from today till tomorrow I will still say that both deserve that spot more than Moses Simon

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:49pm On Aug 27, 2017
Based on current stats, I agree.. But don't forget that Rohr has been seeing Moses Simon in camp. Do you think he just loves the boy for not reason?

Mickael2:


when I said Onyekuru should be there, it was based entirely on my own perception. in fact sef, I never called for the inclusion of Onyekuru but Kayode remember? and if you ask me from today till tomorrow I will still say that both deserve that spot more than Moses Simon
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:49pm On Aug 27, 2017
joseph1013:


Again, the lack of critical thinking. Or may be your love for Ndidi at the expense of Onazi is clouding the reasoning.

How can he be against anything Igbo yet made cases for Ehizibue And Ebuehi? Are you selectively amnesiac or you have not traced your steps to this place at that period in time?

ever since Ola Aina came into the picture, has he mentioned Ebuehi ever since? food for thought

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 4:51pm On Aug 27, 2017
Joebie:
Based on current stats, I agree.. But don't forget that Rohr has been seeing Moses Simon in camp. Do you think he just loves the boy for not reason?


yes, he may have his reasons. my point us based entirely on potential output. I'd rather have Onyekuru one on one against the goalkeeper, maybe the coach doesn't like a winger that doesn't provide width because Onyekuru likes to cut in, that's for the coach, like I said my assertions were made based solely on my own perceptions
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 4:54pm On Aug 27, 2017
No doubt I agree with you.

Have you seen Kingsley Eduwo play? Odey and Eduwo, who do you prefer?

I watched
Mickael2:


yes, he may have his reasons. my point us based entirely on potential output. I'd rather have Onyekuru one on one against the goalkeeper, maybe the coach doesn't like a winger that doesn't provide width because Onyekuru likes to cut in, that's for the coach, like I said my assertions were made based solely on my own perceptions
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by maidaboi(m): 4:55pm On Aug 27, 2017
#FINIDIforUNDER17

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Petrobros: 4:59pm On Aug 27, 2017
Mickael2:


ever since Ola Aina came into the picture, has he mentioned Ebuehi ever since? food for thought

His mission here is majorly to cry against Igbo dominance.

He only sees the call for Onyekuru ahead of Simon as a tribal thing.

That guy's tribalism has no chill.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:00pm On Aug 27, 2017
As much as I would have liked Manu Garba to continue, Finidi is very much qualified. Would have preferred him for U20 though.

maidaboi:
#FINIDIforUNDER17
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Humility017(m): 5:01pm On Aug 27, 2017
maidaboi:
#FINIDIforUNDER17
has it been confirmed?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mickael2(m): 5:01pm On Aug 27, 2017
Joebie:
No doubt I agree with you.

Have you seen Kingsley Eduwo play? Odey and Eduwo, who do you prefer?

I watched

I would definitely prefer Odey. I have watched his matches a little bit more so I may be biased towards that corner, that's why I don't really talk about the CHAN, I hardly followed then. do you agree with the coach though?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:08pm On Aug 27, 2017
Mickael2:


ever since Ola Aina came into the picture, has he mentioned Ebuehi ever since? food for thought
Ah...as I assumed, he shot himself in the foot. Herein the change in the goalpost when they are forced to discuss intelligibly.

You first said he is against anything Igbo, yet when quizzed about the Igbos he had been on the line for, you quickly change to,"he doesn't mention Ebuehi again". If changing to Aina from Ebuehi makes him a Yoruba tribalistic, does changing from Shehu to Ebuehi make him Igbo tribalistic? Are you following my argument? Are you unconsciously alluding to your lack of basic knowledge of the rules of an argument, one of which is, cover your base.

But again, what if he now prefers Aina? Is Aina not better than Ebuehi in that position? Do reports from the Eagles camp not tell us he is rated highly? Do we not have access to the web where we watch the games of the two of them, and see for ourselves that Aina looks the one better suited for the position?

You see, you offer nothing concrete.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:10pm On Aug 27, 2017
Well they are both in the CHAN team. But from what I saw, Eduwo is better. I remember one of the officials feeling vindicated as regards Eduwo's inclusion after that match against Benin. Eduwo is a sure starter in that CHAN team. So we can't go by highest goals in the domestic league ALONE. Eduwo is a polished forward, he plays like he's had experience in Europe. Mind you, he also scored in the following NPFL game, immediately after that CHAN game -- just like Rabiu Alli did.

Mickael2:


I would definitely prefer Odey. I have watched his matches a little bit more so I may be biased towards that corner, that's why I don't really talk about the CHAN, I hardly followed then. do you agree with the coach though?

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 5:15pm On Aug 27, 2017
Mickael2:


I can see basic knowledge is not so basic for you anyways so let me make it simpler so you can digest.

If Onazi plays, who gets benched? Ndidi, what a surprise. you do understand that the guy has always been against Igbo guys, Onazi is not an Igbo, for him the common denominator is that Igbo guys should be gone.

ok so we started saying that Onazi, Musa and Moses should no longer be in the team, guess the three guys he brought into the conversation as less than worthy folks....no prizes here again, Onyekuru, Iwobi and Nacho. please o, how many games has Leon Balogun played this season? so how come he didnt call his name too? another surprise.

you obviously do not know how to make inferences so I will just have to pardon you, now read what I just typed slowly and tell me that isn't tribalism

shocked shocked shocked shocked see reasoning. shocked 'he has always been against Igbos' *eyes opened while scratching head*

I am confused to be candid. shocked
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 5:18pm On Aug 27, 2017
bossto:
Elder!!!...which report are youh talking about,??....are you sure it is authentic.
.
.He played the full 90+mins,didn't he??
He was substituted at 89 minutes according to livescore commentaries.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Joebie: 5:19pm On Aug 27, 2017
it's one thing to make a point. How you make the point also matters. It's one thing to defend a specific player. How you defend the player also matters. It's the emotion people put in to defend a player that can easily reveal their tribe. Else why talk about it like your life depends on it? It's similar to the kind of discussion we have when we go political..
State that stats/reasons, and let's continue a healthy discussion -- that way it wouldn't seem sentimental.

joseph1013:

Ah...as I assumed, he shot himself in the foot. Herein the change in the goalpost when they are forced to discuss intelligibly.

You first said he is against anything Igbo, yet when quizzed about the Igbos he had been on the line for, you quickly change to,"he doesn't mention Ebuehi again". If changing to Aina from Ebuehi makes him a Yoruba tribalistic, does changing from Shehu to Ebuehi make him Igbo tribalistic? Are you following my argument? Are you unconsciously alluding to your lack of basic knowledge of the rules of an argument, one of which is, cover your base.

But again, what if he now prefers Aina? Is Aina not better than Ebuehi in that position? Do reports from the Eagles camp not tell us he is rated highly? Do we not have access to the web where we watch the games of the two of them, and see for ourselves that Aina looks the one better suited for the position?

You see, you offer nothing concrete.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 5:20pm On Aug 27, 2017
Petrobros:


His mission here is majorly to cry against Igbo dominance.

He only sees the call for Onyekuru ahead of Simon as a tribal thing.

That guy's tribalism has no chill.


You are I.......! Stop lying. grin

Tell us why Onyekuru is better than Simon Moses with facts? Is Simon Moses Yoruba too? shocked grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 5:25pm On Aug 27, 2017
Mickael2:


yes, he may have his reasons. my point us based entirely on potential output. I'd rather have Onyekuru one on one against the goalkeeper, maybe the coach doesn't like a winger that doesn't provide width because Onyekuru likes to cut in, that's for the coach, like I said my assertions were made based solely on my own perceptions

So, why crucify mine? grin another confusion. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by joseph1013: 5:25pm On Aug 27, 2017
Joebie:
it's one thing to make a point. How you make the point also matters. It's one thing to defend a specific player. How you defend the player also matters. It's the emotion people put in to defend a player that can easily reveal their tribe. Else why talk about it like your life depends on it? It's similar to the kind of discussion we have when we go political..
State that stats/reasons, and let's continue a healthy discussion -- that way it wouldn't seem sentimental.


He's clearly passionate when he picks a player to defend. I see nothing wrong in it. I see no reason to label him for that especially when we can call up players he has done so for across board.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Petrobros: 5:29pm On Aug 27, 2017
forgiveness:


You are I.......! Stop lying. grin

Tell us why Onyekuru is better than Simon Moses with facts? Is Simon Moses Yoruba too? shocked grin

I would chose Simon Moses ahead of Onyekuru.

Like I said I know you seeing it more from the tribal angle.

His name is Simon Ajala Moses. As I said even if he is not Yoruba what you are fighting is Igbo dominance. Any other tribe but Igbo will do for you.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 5:29pm On Aug 27, 2017
Joebie:
That's my point.. still waiting for stats and reasons.. if he can't supply those, will he concede? If not, it's sentimental


Hahahahahah! Based on 'past glory theory' by some people na.... Awoniyi is better than Iheanacho. Bhuuuhahaha! grin

Sorry, I don't have facts for sarcastic comments. grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by forgiveness: 5:34pm On Aug 27, 2017
Petrobros:


I would chose Simon Moses ahead of Onyekuru.

Like I said I know you seeing it more from the tribal angle.

His name is Simon Ajala Moses. As I said even if he is not Yoruba what you are fighting is Igbo dominance. Any other tribe but Igbo will do for you.



Stop proclaiming falsehood as facts mr man. It portrays you as a mere babbler, sorry to say, else provide fact that suggests otherwise. grin

Mr anything Igbo will do. Bhuuuhahaha! grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 5:35pm On Aug 27, 2017
As I read through the recent posts on this thread, I could not help but shake my head due to the various accusations and counter accusations on this thread. The same syndrome is affecting both sides. People like Joebie and TheGoodJoe have been able to challenge forgiveness without resorting to name calling. One of the signs of intellectual laziness and the greatest hurdle to development we as a people have always faced is that people cannot disagree without resorting to name calling - as if tagging them makes the issues raised to disappear. It is the case that once a person cannot fathom the reason why someone else holds a different opinion, they find easy labels to use to tag them, thinking that somehow de-legitimizes their point of view. The common labels I have come to see used over the years are tribalism and bribery. What accusation is made depends on whether the parties involved are from the same ethnic background. If this is the case, the former accusation is made, if otherwise then the later is used

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 5:35pm On Aug 27, 2017
@forgiveness, it is unfortunate that the lens through which you view matters is this jaundiced. Does this make you a “tribalist”? I say No? Does this keep you from having a constructive argument? I think so.

If Rohr was an Igbo man, you would have accused him of tribalism. If he was a Yoruba man, tribalism wouldn’t fit the tag, hence the appropriate label will be that his selections are for pecuniary gains. Now that Rohr is not a Nigerian and it is clear that he is not here for the money, you needed to find another label to tag him.

This approach to explaining other people’s actions which are at odds with your world view will keep you from seeing the best in other people and further help you assess and reshape your own thinking. To the hammer, every problem seems like a nail. I have learnt to ignore many of your accusations, at the same time learning from you as well. One thing you fail to realize is that the human heart has reasons that reason cannot comprehend and it has nothing to do with tribalism. The yorubas will say “Differences in human preference is the reason why two brothers would not desire the same woman”. As someone who claims to throw facts around, please desist from making strong accusations without verifiable proof. And by proof, I mean things you are sure of and not hearsay
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Petrobros: 5:40pm On Aug 27, 2017
tglobal:
As I read through the recent posts on this thread, I could not help but shake my head due to the various accusations and counter accusations on this thread. The same syndrome is affecting both sides. People like Joebie and TheGoodJoe have been able to challenge forgiveness without resorting to name calling. One of the signs of intellectual laziness and the greatest hurdle to development we as a people have always faced is that people cannot disagree without resorting to name calling - as if tagging them makes the issues raised to disappear. It is the case that once a person cannot fathom the reason why someone else holds a different opinion, they find easy labels to use to tag them, thinking that somehow de-legitimizes their point of view. The common labels I have come to see used over the years are tribalism and bribery. What accusation is made depends on whether the parties involved are from the same ethnic background. If this is the case, the former accusation is made, if otherwise then the later is used

And who else has been the one labeling the NFF and Coaches of Tribalism and bribery? And in addition cultism?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:41pm On Aug 27, 2017
Finidi Willing To Coach The U17s For Free

Finidi George has told Nigeria Federation Federation officials that he was prepared to coach the national Under-17 team for free if given the chance.


Finidi was one of the 59 shortlisted coaches interviewed by the NFF technical committee for vacant national teams’ posts.

“Finidi has told NFF officials he is willing to coach the U17s for free,” SCORENigeria quoted an official of the NFF.

“He has already told the technical committee he is not disturbed about the poor finances of the NFF which may cause salaries to be delayed for several months. “He said he is only driven to give something back to the country that made him and he believes he can impact what he has learnt working with age-group teams in Mallorca to make a difference with the country’s cadet team.”

Finidi ruled the Eagles right wing and Emmanuel Amuneke took care of the left wing during the country’s Golden Era.

Amuneke has since set a mark with the U17s – he won the FIFA U17 World Cup in Chile two years ago after he was assistant coach to the team who won the same competition in Abu Dhabi in 2013.

http://www.naijamouthed.ng/forum/entertainment/sports/14328-finidi-offers-to-coach-golden-eaglets-for-free

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Nobody: 5:41pm On Aug 27, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


I do not expect any feigning from Victor Moses because he loves the big stage.
ok, so you mean he may have feigned another injury if Nigeria was to play a friendly game and other related “small stage” games grin
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 5:42pm On Aug 27, 2017
Petrobros:


And who else has been the one labeling the NFF and Coaches of Tribalism and bribery? And in addition cultism?

I have addressed this above
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:44pm On Aug 27, 2017
“He has already told the technical committee he is not disturbed about the poor finances of the NFF which may cause salaries to be delayed for several months. “He said he is only driven to give something back to the country that made him and he believes he can impact what he has learnt working with age-group teams in Mallorca to make a difference with the country’s cadet team.”

The amount of Knowledge Finidi George has from the well-structured football development system will definitely make a major impact in the young boys he will train. I hope the NFF is willing to work with the Nigerian footballing legend and later give him a chance to play a big part in the administrative role of the NFF.

#FinidiGeorgeForU17

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:45pm On Aug 27, 2017
blueto:
ok, so you mean he may have feigned another injury if Nigeria was to play a friendly game and other related “small stage” games grin

I did not say!! It is talk I talked.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 5:46pm On Aug 27, 2017
blueto:
ok, so you mean he may have feigned another injury if Nigeria was to play a friendly game and other related “small stage” games grin

On a serious note, I do not trust that Italian coach at Chelsea. What is that his name again? Conte.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tglobal(m): 5:47pm On Aug 27, 2017
To everyone else, please get off your high horses and stop pretending that the same syndrome doesn’t afflict you. We are witnesses of how others have accused fellow forumites of what they are not simply because they disagree. Examples of this abound and include the following

1. Criticize KC – Tag him a Kelechi hater (if they are not igbo, use the tribalist tag)
2. Criticize Awoniyi, Success and Manu crew – You hate Nigeria
3. Criticize the local league – You hate the local league
4. Measure Nigerian player using global standards – You are not patriotic
5. Pep doesn’t start KC and other black players - Pep is a racist

There is beauty in diversity of thought and opinion and we should celebrate that. I cringed the other day when komekn was accused of being unpatriotic simply because he rates Nigerian players like any non-Nigerian would. Same way politicians in power label the opposition

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