TayserMahiri:


Great bro, I meant socially and culturally there is a connection between Edo and Urhobo (no pun ). Bro did you get my question? In Kenya if you google a tribe you will first learn whether the tribe is Nilotic, Cushitic, Bantu etc. Just google any tribe. For instance; "The Maasai are a Nilotic ethnic group inhabiting southern Kenya" That Nilotic part is what am talking about. Many Nigerian tribes are left hanging on that part, you dont get to know whether they're Bantu, nilotic or whatever. In the Case of Urhobo, what are they?

The overwhelming majority of Nigerians don't know anything about those classifications because it traditionally doesn't matter to us. Our divisions are seen in ethno-linguistic terms rather than racial classifications. Here, a Yoruba or Igbo or Ijaw or Efik person could easily pass for the other in physical appearance.

Congratulations ladies.. We are proud of you ..

freshest4live:

Hmm, you guys should dialogue with them before it becomes full blown abeg, it's a major distraction for any nation.

The Kenyan State does not dialogue, they crush such agitators without mercy.

TayserMahiri:


There has to be a replacement for democracy. You cant just say democracy has to go! And then?? What do we work with?

Anyways, I didnt justify Chandaria moving his processing plants. Maybe we should contact him and understand why he did that. Btw, its really funny that the democracy Raila fought hard for is the same one keeping him away from power. That is of course assuming there was no hacking this time. Democracy can be brutal. Any reasonable person who observed this time could tell who was the likely winner. I myself knew UK would beat Raila squarely. It was so easy to tell, if you had no bias and some kind of fanatism I see with people. I didnt even vote, I can only vote for Alfred Mutua or Raphael Tuju types. I seriously hope Mutua runs next time I'll vote him at six in the AM. But to be fair, talking secession cos an individual lost an election is hypocritical. Why not just say; Ok, we as NASA agree that we lost fairly but we think that this democracy thingie is working to the detriment of some communities, so lets work something out. Something more equalizing.

His support for democracy is selfish. He wants to replicate the current monopoly of looting and tribal superiority in my opinion. I watched his interview after 2007 on CNN when the international media was rethinking the role of democracy in Africa, seeing that parties here are tribal as opposed to ideological.

He defended democracy like he was being paid to. And he is being paid to defend democracy. Same with every other opposition leader in Africa. The payment stops when you stop singing democracy. All of them are on CIA payroll. But cessation is a step in the right direction.

Like I said, our democracy is based on our tribes. You vote for your tribes man and the tribe with the numbers wins. Its most fair replacement is a system that acknowledges tribal realities and makes it its basis. Tribal as representation at the national level and a semi autonomy of ethnic groups at the ground. All communities have their precolonial leadership structures so democracy is not the Alpha and Omega of politics.

We obviously cannot trust one tribe to look out for the interests of the rest. Whether that tribe is Kikuyu or Luo.

Obi1kenobi:


The overwhelming majority of Nigerians don't know anything about those classifications because it traditionally doesn't matter to us. Our divisions are seen in ethno-linguistic terms rather than racial classifications. Here, a Yoruba or Igbo or Ijaw or Efik person could easily pass for the other in physical appearance.

Am not there but I can differentiate some of your tribes.

Obi1kenobi:


The overwhelming majority of Nigerians don't know anything about those classifications because it traditionally doesn't matter to us. Our divisions are seen in ethno-linguistic terms rather than racial classifications. Here, a Yoruba or Igbo or Ijaw or Efik person could easily pass for the other in physical appearance.

But the classifications are an academic exercise not a matter of choice.

Muafrika2:

His support for democracy is selfish. He wants to replicate the current monopoly of looting and tribal superiority in my opinion. I watched his interview after 2007 on CNN when the international media was rethinking the role of democracy in Africa, seeing that parties here are tribal as opposed to ideological.

He defended democracy like he was being paid to. And he is being paid to defend democracy. Same with every other opposition leader in Africa. The payment stops when you stop singing democracy. All of them are on CIA payroll. But cessation is a step in the right direction.

Like I said, our democracy is based on our tribes. You vote for your tribes man and the tribe with the numbers wins. Its most fair replacement is a system that acknowledges tribal realities and makes it its basis. Tribal as representation at the national level and a semi autonomy of ethnic groups at the ground. All communities have their precolonial leadership structures so democracy is not the Alpha and Omega of politics.

We obviously cannot trust one tribe to look out for the interests of the rest. Whether that tribe is Kikuyu or Luo.

Selfish? Democracy has a role to play in Africa for one main reason: Its capacity to marginalize objectors. Trust me the last thing you want is to silence objectors by force. The only reason he defended democracy at that time is because he had not tasted its effects on him. Now that its clear that it can indeed be brutal, he definitely would want a way out. Now, on this secession issue NASA guys are singing, you do realize that secession must be supported by a simple majority at a referendum in which at least 20 per cent of registered voters in each of at least 24 counties must participate (Article 255(2))? That referendum would be lost by an overwhelming majority. Not to mention we would have to go back to the same excuses of rigging! You would be very surprised that the call for secession is just poetic, very unpopular. Only Luos would vote for it. And to be honest it would be crashed like MRC (why Joho & Mombasa ppl are not talking secession), with a lot of brutality that most Kenyans would rather not try. Are you yourself willing to face the state ? I think the opposition needs to roll up its sleeves and come up with a winning formular. They do so much outdated politics, the two men in Jubilee outsmart them on almost everything. I want you to observe something from this petition. If NASA loses, the court will be wrong. If Jubilee loses, the court will be right. WTH? And how will your secession work when the map looks like this in favor of both UK and Tinga? Will Rao be flying from the west over the Central Republic to perform duties in the East? Cos thats the only map you can talk about, not the nonsense I've seen on social media.

TayserMahiri:


But the classifications are an academic exercise not a matter of choice.

I haven't said otherwise. Simply pointed out why it has little value in our consciousness. East Africans are a little obsessed with racial classifications. Horners in particular are the worst. It doesn't really register among West Africans. Our strong divisions are expressed more in ethno-linguistic terms.

Muafrika2:

Am not there but I can differentiate some of your tribes.

Physically? I doubt it. Other than perhaps Fulanis, the last migrant group to what is today called Nigeria, who look pretty distinct from Hausas for example, most Nigerian tribes to an untrained eye could easily pass for the other.

TayserMahiri:


Selfish? Democracy has a role to play in Africa for one main reason: Its capacity to marginalize objectors. Trust me the last thing you want is to silence objectors by force. The only reason he defended democracy at that time is because he had not tasted its effects on him. Now that its clear that it can indeed be brutal, he definitely would want a way out.

Msee Nasa got a new map....
So the central republic will miss turkana oil fields and will be a landlocked country

Obi1kenobi:


Physically? I doubt it. Other than perhaps Fulanis, the last migrant group to what is today called Nigeria, who look pretty distinct from Hausas for example, most Nigerian tribes to an untrained eye could easily pass for the other.

Ican...

igbo----Light skinned
Yoruba---Dark skinned
Hausa----Look like Somali some how

Obi1kenobi:


I haven't said otherwise. Simply pointed out why it has little value in our consciousness. East Africans are a little obsessed with racial classifications. Horners in particular are the worst. It doesn't really register among West Africans. Our strong divisions are expressed more in ethno-linguistic terms.

Bro, the classifications are language based not based on looks! People are not called Nilotes, Cushites, Semites or BAntu because they look a certain way. They are grouped together because they have similar languages, which is construed to imply they have common origins. Looks come after the fact.

mtis:


Msee Nasa got a new map....
So the central republic will miss turkana oil fields and will be a landlocked country

NASA wana mchezo sana. So if people lose elections they demand freedom
We unaonaje hii maneno

mtis:

Ican...

igbo----Light skinned
Yoruba---Dark skinned
Hausa----Look like Somali some how

I am Igbo and dark skinned my friend is Yoruba and extremely light skinned no bleaching

Plus it is only poor Hausa people that look skinny like Somali guyz

mtis:

Ican...

igbo----Light skinned
Yoruba---Dark skinned
Hausa----Look like Somali some how

Igbos being light-skinned is a myth. I would know because I'm Igbo. The majority of Igbos are dark-skinned. There are slightly more light-skinned Igbos than Yorubas, but it's not by much. Igbos, Yorubas and all Southern groups could easily pass for each other. Hausas are a typical Niger-Congo group. They don't look like Somalis. Perhaps, you meant the Fulanis. Though over several decades, there's a lot of inter-marrying between Fulanis and Hausas which have somewhat blurred the lines. Hence, they're basically called Hausa-Fulanis these days.

TayserMahiri:


Bro, the classifications are language based not based on looks! People are not called Nilotes, Cushites, Semites or BAntu because they look a certain way. They are grouped together because they have similar languages, which is construed to imply they have common origins. Looks come after the fact.

Well yes, it is true the looks are incidental to language classifications. But when Somalis are rambling about their distinctness to those they call Bantus, what they really have in mind is they look different. Such linguistic classifications can be a bit tricky in Nigeria. Hausas foe example one spoke a Nilo-Saharan language (which suggests a historical Nilotic connection), but eventually adopted a Chadian Afro-Asiatic language.

Obi1kenobi:


Well yes, it is true the looks are incidental to language classifications. But when Somalis are rambling about their distinctness to those they call Bantus, what they really have in mind is they look different. Such linguistic classifications can be a bit tricky in Nigeria. Hausas foe example one spoke a Nilo-Saharan language (which suggests a historical Nilotic connection), but eventually adopted a Chadian Afro-Asiatic language.

That makes sense... With that kind of mix there is no point of complicating matters even further. Let them remain simply as Hausas

TayserMahiri:


NASA wana mchezo sana. So if people lose elections they demand freedom
We unaonaje hii maneno

Kupoteza pesa na time...I still believe there are a clique of dudes who are just pushing this for their own selfish benefits e.g lawyers ,politicians...I watched Ndii video an was really really amazed by some reasoning of some of this activists...Ati tutaipata through bullet...hakuna msee anatishwa hii round..If ya got a gun then i'll also buy mine..

PROVERBZ:
I am Igbo and dark skinned my friend is Yoruba and extremely light skinned no bleaching

Plus it is only poor Hausa people that look skinny like Somali guyz

That why i love this thread..ya got to learn new stuff every day ..
About somali thats another debate..

Obi1kenobi:


Igbos being light-skinned is a myth. I would know because I'm Igbo. The majority of Igbos are dark-skinned. There are slightly more light-skinned Igbos than Yorubas, but it's not by much. Igbos, Yorubas and all Southern groups could easily pass for each other. Hausas are a typical Niger-Congo group. They don't look like Somalis. Perhaps, you meant the Fulanis. Though over several decades, there's a lot of inter-marrying between Fulanis and Hausas which have somewhat blurred the lines. Hence, they're basically called Hausa-Fulanis these days.

Sorry i think i meant Fulani....but serious i though igbos are light skinned...or may be its the level (degree ) am referring to

mtis:

Kupoteza pesa na time...I still believe there are a clique of dudes who are just pushing this for their own selfish benefits e.g lawyers ,politicians...I watched Ndii video an was really really amazed by some reasoning of some of this activists...Ati tutaipata through bullet...hakuna msee anatishwa hii round..If ya got a gun then i'll also buy mine..

I really cant wait for anyone who tries to push secession after the new govt is sworn in. They should take a cue from Hamisi Mwamnuadzi. Its akin to signing a death sentence. I think Kiraithe already put it clear. Anyone who wants secession is free to leave the country and go to Somalia. Ndii himself cannot take a bullet for anybody.

Muafrika2:


Of course there will always be those for and against. I only have a problem with your labelling your opposers foolish.

The problem is really the Economic and political structure of the society. What you are referring to as justification is really the principles of capitalism. You win at all cost. Imported from a mono culture and imposed on Africans who by nature are tribal. It does not have a long life going into future.

problem ya Kenya ni coz ya beef btw Kikuyus na Luos...am not a tribalist (am a exotic mixture of many ) but serious hizi tribes lazima waache upuzi..they should take their beef far far away... hama tuwakatie republic zao

TayserMahiri:


I really cant wait for anyone who tries to push secession after the new govt is sworn in. They should take a cue from Hamisi Mwamnuadzi. Its akin to signing a death sentence. I think Kiraithe already put it clear. Anyone who wants secession is free to leave the country and go to Somalia. Ndii himself cannot take a bullet for anybody.

Ati Ndii anasema he doesnt fear ...the kaguy is crazy..effects of weed

Obi1kenobi:


Igbos being light-skinned is a myth. I would know because I'm Igbo. The majority of Igbos are dark-skinned. There are slightly more light-skinned Igbos than Yorubas, but it's not by much. Igbos, Yorubas and all Southern groups could easily p
.

Checked this thread:
Igbos In Diaspora Build Mud Houses With Whites To Exhibit Culture
https://www.nairaland.com/4016086/igbos-diaspora-build-mud-houses

i do agree with you

mtis:

problem ya Kenya ni coz ya beef btw Kikuyus na Luos...am not a tribalist (am a exotic mixture of many ) but serious hizi tribes lazima waache upuzi..they should take their beef far far away... hama tuwakatie republic zao

You know, with the way Kisumu has been perpetually in the opposition, I was shocked to see how developed the city is. Maybe this opposition thing pays too. It seems the system only favours the extreme. The peaceful are forgotten.

Obi1kenobi:


The overwhelming majority of Nigerians don't know anything about those classifications because it traditionally doesn't matter to us. Our divisions are seen in ethno-linguistic terms rather than racial classifications. Here, a Yoruba or Igbo or Ijaw or Efik person could easily pass for the other in physical appearance.

For years I thought all Africans south of the sahara were Bantu.I think the difference in most cases are so blur the categorisation can be confusing.The fulanis are nilotic while other west Africans are mainly NigerCongo based on their languages.

TayserMahiri:


Selfish? Democracy has a role to play in Africa for one main reason: Its capacity to marginalize objectors. Trust me the last thing you want is to silence objectors by force. The only reason he defended democracy at that time is because he had not tasted its effects on him. Now that its clear that it can indeed be brutal, he definitely would want a way out. Now, on this secession issue NASA guys are singing, you do realize that secession must be supported by a simple majority at a referendum in which at least 20 per cent of registered voters in each of at least 24 counties must participate (Article 255(2))? That referendum would be lost by an overwhelming majority. Not to mention we would have to go back to the same excuses of rigging! You would be very surprised that the call for secession is just poetic, very unpopular. Only Luos would vote for it. And to be honest it would be crashed like MRC (why Joho & Mombasa ppl are not talking secession), with a lot of brutality that most Kenyans would rather not try. Are you yourself willing to face the state ? I think the opposition needs to roll up its sleeves and come up with a winning formular. They do so much outdated politics, the two men in Jubilee outsmart them on almost everything. I want you to observe something from this petition. If NASA loses, the court will be wrong. If Jubilee loses, the court will be right. WTH? And how will your secession work when the map looks like this in favor of both UK and Tinga? Will Rao be flying from the west over the Central Republic to perform duties in the East? Cos thats the only map you can talk about, not the nonsense I've seen on social media.

Perhaps well need to go around the top too . The project will have more supporters with inclusion of the Shiftas

Muafrika2:



You know, with the way Kisumu has been perpetually in the opposition, I was shocked to see how developed the city is. Maybe this opposition thing pays too. It seems the system only favours the extreme. The peaceful are forgotten.

Kisumu is a shadow of itself..with all the engineers,professors, scientists ,quantum theorists,molecular stuff thing just a few , Kisumu should the true silicon valley of Africa...Lakini wasee kazi yao ni kufuka boda ..majuu imekua ndio kwao

obaaderemi:
For years I thought all Africans south of the sahara were Bantu.I think the difference in most cases are so blur the categorisation can be confusing.The fulanis are nilotic while other west Africans are mainly NigerCongo based on their languages.

i didnt know Fulanis are Nilotes...In kenya the nilotes are basically dark ..those are the guys you see winning gold medals for us ,guys playing football,rugby,cricket so basically all the sporty thing happening in Kenya..but intermarriage has changed alot of late

mtis:

Kisumu is a shadow of itself..with all the engineers,professors, scientists ,quantum theorists,molecular stuff thing just a few , Kisumu should the true silicon valley of Africa...Lakini wasee kazi yao ni kufuka boda ..majuu imekua ndio kwao

So true. The love of anything unAfrican. They are like Nigerians who I heard import pizza from london

Port Harcourt is crap? Enugu and Calabar are ahead of PH in what fantasy dream world?

NairobiWalker:


I was talking about an earlier post he posted buddy. Stop being subjective - anyone can say any city is industrialized - what matters is to what extend and how livable that city is so naming every other city and making those claims is irrelevant. As far as I know, the only city with decent livability amongst those you mentioned is Enugu and Calabar. The others are crap.

Muafrika2:

Perhaps well need to go around the top too . The project will have more supporters with inclusion of the Shiftas

Lol, if you join hands with shiftas you'll need to prepare for dispatchment to your maker 99 % of kenyans would oppose any alliance with somali separatists, who are few anyway. That whole section of Somalis is pro Uhuru. Just look elsewhere