adanny01:


I think its fair, except for the 6 rolls of 1.5mm green and 2 rolls of 2.5mm green.

Let me brief you how it works.

1.5mm is for lighting fixtures and ceiling fans etc. Note that green is not required for these so tge 6 green is questionable. Generally for stuff less than 500watts while 2.5mm are for things rated 500-2000watts such as suckets, some Air-conditioning, water heaters etc.

4mm is for things above 2000watt such as cooker unit. A 4 burner electric cooker can range from 6kw to 10kw if all are on at once. You could change your cooker from a 1 burner to 4 burner, that means using 2.5mm is not safe in future.

10-16mm wires are load wires depending on electrical services design or demand. A 2 bedroom flat using 3 phase maybe safe with a 10mm per phase but may not be safe with same wire in a single phase setup. Selecting a suitable load wire depends on the load calculations of the entire house. The quantity of this wire depends on distance of the meter to Distribution Box (DB's).

Wiring for this 4bedroom wit 2 sitting rooms of about 190sqm was done by the quote below. I did my manipulations on it by using 5 red 1.5mm, 5 Black 1.5mm, 2 green 1.5mm, 2 red 2.5mm, 2 black 2.5mm. Take notice i didnt use any 2.5mm green. 1.5mm is what i used with the 2.5mm in the suckets. Therefore the quantity of green should match 2.5mm and 4mm put together.

Ignore the prices as the quotation was given over metime

I like the use of the bolded. I hope the recipient understands.

Daboomb:


I think l have read it somewhere that "man himself, is a political animal".
Everything we do, is rooted in Politics, but a healthy form of Politics.
Not the cash-and-carry or kill-am Politics we play in Nigeria.

You cant divest Politics from anything. It is what brings anything and everything into relevance.

Be that as it may, what l have seen is not a discussion forum, just a "ask and give" type of setup

Well, take this in the spirit it is being offered ...

The beauty of this thread is that people come here to learn about a specific genre - Properties/construction. You used to be able to jump in at the latest page and follow a relevant discussion. If that discussion is from someone's previous enquiry - good, you can trace it all the way back and learn something.

That is how we arrived at a discussion of your 'kuli-kuli' rain water collection system on Page 717.

Now, people land on endless pages of 'restructuring' arguments and counter-arguments' and tend to visit less.


PS: Last word on this so as not to be guilty of same tangential distraction thing I'm advocating against ;-)

@adanny01 tnx for the info, it was really helpful

adanny01:


I think its fair, except for the 6 rolls of 1.5mm green and 2 rolls of 2.5mm green.

Let me brief you how it works.

1.5mm is for lighting fixtures and ceiling fans etc. Note that green is not required for these so tge 6 green is questionable. Generally for stuff less than 500watts while 2.5mm are for things rated 500-2000watts such as suckets, some Air-conditioning, water heaters etc.

4mm is for things above 2000watt such as cooker unit. A 4 burner electric cooker can range from 6kw to 10kw if all are on at once. You could change your cooker from a 1 burner to 4 burner, that means using 2.5mm is not safe in future.

10-16mm wires are load wires depending on electrical services design or demand. A 2 bedroom flat using 3 phase maybe safe with a 10mm per phase but may not be safe with same wire in a single phase setup. Selecting a suitable load wire depends on the load calculations of the entire house. The quantity of this wire depends on distance of the meter to Distribution Box (DB's).

Wiring for this 4bedroom wit 2 sitting rooms of about 190sqm was done by the quote below. I did my manipulations on it by using 5 red 1.5mm, 5 Black 1.5mm, 2 green 1.5mm, 2 red 2.5mm, 2 black 2.5mm. Take notice i didnt use any 2.5mm green. 1.5mm is what i used with the 2.5mm in the suckets. Therefore the quantity of green should match 2.5mm and 4mm put together.

Ignore the prices as the quotation was given over metime

Hakchually , when I read about someone calling for military take over here, I laughed, these are the real problems of this contraption.

Imagine the level of foolery

you are fine Sir. What most people does not know is that the exterior wall actually carry's less load that the partition wall in the building itself. The exterior walls usually carry's half the load that sits on it and in some cases, even a quarter of the load. The partition walls in the middle of the house carry direct loads from the roof squarely. Read up on Tributary Areas on columns for more details... Engineering!!!

bigrovar:
Hi guys. This is a bit of a long one:

So I have been away (hustling and stuff) and decided to build a low budget functional house for my family and stop the house rent which is becoming a drain. I decided to build on a 50 by 50 plot of land. A basic 2 bedroom bungalow.

I did very basic floor plan (see attached) to allow for enough space for rooms and a packing space which can take 2 cars. I used this tool http://www.sweethome3d.com/ for my floor plan.

Due to my busy schedule, I left the supervision with my brother since he had experience in construction. He hired the technicians and hands for the project while I provided money.

They took the project to lintel level when I came back to inspect it. Unfortunately I was very unhappy with what I saw. Here are my concerns


1) Against my instruction, my brother still went on to mix 9 inches with 6 inches for the outter walls. I told him to use 9 inches for the outter walls of the house all through and reserve the 6inches for the house. This was not done instead 9 inches blocks was used up to window level and 6 inches used to lintel level. I fear that this might affect the structural integrity of the house in future, since the house was designed not to have pillers and DPC was not used in the 3 course foundation.

2) I halted the roofing of the house because the carpenter recommended I use head course which is a casting done round the house 2 courses after the lintel. Is this really necessary?


My brother said the style of laying 6inch blocks on 9inch was fine since I wont be doing parapet and the soil was dry and good and " people do it alot without issues" but am not sold.

Is they any remedy to this before roofing? please gurus in the house. I would appreciate your take. I have attached pictures of the property in its current state.

true2home:
you are fine Sir. What most people does not know is that the exterior wall actually carry's less load that the partition wall in the building itself. The exterior walls usually carry's half the load that sits on it and in some cases, even a quarter of the load. The partition walls in the middle of the house carry direct loads from the roof squarely. Read up on Tributary Areas on columns for more details... Engineering!!!

Nice one!

Sprumbabafather:
Hakchually , when I read about someone calling for military take over here, I laughed, these are the real problems of this contraption.

Imagine the level of foolery

Due process don't work in Nigeria
Fear work in Nigeria
military take over for how long?
Very good military ruler for 25 years to set the stage for the next generation
If you can get any good military person to rule that country for 25 year
Set the rule. today 10year old men will be 35 in 25 year time,
we need changes, Corruption is a cancer
If we don't kill corruption. Nigeria have no future
Corruption is in all Nigerians DNA including me

GoodFaith:

Due process don't work in Nigeria
Fear work in Nigeria
military take over for how long?
Very good military ruler for 25 years to set the stage for the next generation
If you can get any good military person to rule that country for 25 year
Set the rule. today 10year old men will be 35 in 25 year time,
we need changes, Corruption is a cancer
If we don't kill corruption. Nigeria have no future
Corruption is in all Nigerians DNA including me

Due process will never work in Nigeria because of your skewed mentality. Fear will always work in Nigeria because the people bearing arms are using it to kill and brutalize the poor and innocent who have no means of bearing arms. Another type of fear which works in Nigeria is the fear of poverty. The North is scared stiff of a militant Niger Delta cutting off supply of crude oil.

A military man will come from a tribe in Nigeria, and woe betide the person if he is not from the same North! A coup will topple him after 2 months and a northerner will replace him, then the cycle continues till eternity. If death didn't kill Abacha, do you think he will be off the presidential throne now?

1970 -1999 , a whole 29 years wasted by military madness, and someone is still talking about a good military man.

Just like asking to be robbed by a good armed robber

Sprumbabafather:


Due process will never work in Nigeria because of your skewed mentality. Fear will always work in Nigeria because the people bearing arms are using it to kill and brutalize the poor and innocent who have no means of bearing arms. Another type of fear which works in Nigeria is the fear of poverty. The North is scared stiff of a militant Niger Delta cutting off supply of crude oil.

A military man will come from a tribe in Nigeria, and woe betide the person if he is not from the same North! A coup will topple him after 2 months and a northerner will replace him, then the cycle continues till eternity. If death didn't kill Abacha, do you think he will be off the presidential throne now?

1970 -1999 , a whole 29 years wasted by military madness, and someone is still talking about a good military man.

Just like asking to be robbed by a good armed robber

Thanks for letting me know I have "skewed mentality."
So "NO FUTURE FOR NIGERIA"
NIGERIANS ARE NOT WILL TO GIVE UP THEIR LIFE
FEAR OF NOT WILL TO GIVE UP OUR LIFE FOR BETTER NIGERIA WILL CONTINUE
TOBE SET OUR SET BACK
Abacha,/buhari TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGE -- FROM QUEUE UP TO PEOPLE STOP DROPPING TRASH ON THE STREETS
Abacha,/buhari WAS A GREAT HOPE FOR NIGERIA
NIGERIA NEED BLOOD TO CLEAN OUR SIN
OTHER BIG ISSUE IN NIGERIA IS --HOW DO WE DEAL WITH TRIBALIZE

"1970 -1999 , a whole 29 years wasted by military madness, and someone is still talking about a good military man"
NIGERIA WAS A BETTER COUNTRY TILL I LEFT HOME IN 1987 COMPARE 2017
Roads
electricity
water-- You remember water boards-- use to provide job for people

The only development i have see the banking and telcom industry

GoodFaith:

Thanks for letting me know I have "skewed mentality."
So "NO FUTURE FOR NIGERIA"
NIGERIANS ARE NOT WILL TO GIVE UP THEIR LIFE
FEAR OF NOT WILL TO GIVE UP OUR LIFE FOR BETTER NIGERIA WILL CONTINUE
TOBE SET OUR SET BACK
Abacha,/buhari TRIED TO MAKE SOME CHANGE -- FROM QUEUE UP TO PEOPLE STOP DROPPING TRASH ON THE STREETS
Abacha,/buhari WAS A GREAT HOPE FOR NIGERIA
NIGERIA NEED BLOOD TO CLEAN OUR SIN
OTHER BIG ISSUE IN NIGERIA IS --HOW DO WE DEAL WITH TRIBALIZE

"1970 -1999 , a whole 29 years wasted by military madness, and someone is still talking about a good military man"
NIGERIA WAS A BETTER COUNTRY TILL I LEFT HOME IN 1987 COMPARE 2017
Roads
electricity
water-- You remember water boards-- use to provide job for people

The only development i have see the banking and telcom industry

Nigeria of the military rule under Buharri was a country ruled by a bunch of military boys who believes the best way to eradicate corruption was to beat the he'll out of ordinary Nigerians and lock up some politicians, allowing others to go free. It was a complete mess of human rights abuse and people being beaten publicly like animals, animals were treated better in some cases.

Nigeria under the military rule under Babangida was a free for all looting spree with no watch. Abacha made sure Niger Delta oil money was only being saved in Abachas personal bank account in Switzerland. While Saro Wiwa was hung for as much as speaking out.

Sprumbabafather:


Nigeria of the military rule under Buharri was a country ruled by a bunch of military boys who believes the best way to eradicate corruption was to beat the he'll out of ordinary Nigerians and lock up some politicians, allowing others to go free. It was a complete mess of human rights abuse and people being beaten publicly like animals, animals were treated better in some cases.

Nigeria under the military rule under Babangida was a free for all looting spree with no watch. Abacha made sure Niger Delta oil money was only being saved in Abachas personal bank account in Switzerland. While Saro Wiwa was hung for as much as speaking out.

sorry we Nigerian need somebody that will
"beat the he'll out of ordinary Nigerians and lock up some politicians"--
if we have a government that can enforce it for 25 to 30 year if that stop corruption great--If that is the price for better Nigerian and eradicate corruption Sorry I am for it
I believe in Freedom
Citizens constitution right,
Nigerian citizen must be willing to give up something for better Nigeria
we might have to give up our blood-- it is real sad
Include me we are animals---people stealing million of dollars without considerations-"people being beaten publicly like animals, animals were treated better in some cases."

GoodFaith:


sorry we Nigerian need somebody that will
"beat the he'll out of ordinary Nigerians and lock up some politicians"--
if we have a government that can enforce it for 25 to 30 year if that stop corruption great--If that is the price for better Nigerian and eradicate corruption Sorry I am for it
I believe in Freedom
Citizens constitution right,
Nigerian citizen must be willing to give up something for better Nigeria
we might have to give up our blood-- it is real sad
Include me we are animals---people stealing million of dollars without considerations-"people being beaten publicly like animals, animals were treated better in some cases."

To prove you are serious, go and make phone calls near an army checkpoint and have someone video you while the soldiers beat the he'll out of you, let them torture you for 2 hours and leave you brutalized and bleeding from many parts of your body just because you made innocent phone calls.

Is that The right punishment for such offence as is written in your zoo constitution?

Was it right to throw Mrs. Ransom Kuti down from here upstairs house by unknown soldiers for an offence she didn't commit?

Okay, let them arrest Osinbajo and lock him up for 300 years while they give Buharri a mere house arrest for the terrible bungling of the nations laws and throwing everyone into recession

That's the type of injustice the army in Nigeria are known for.

Sprumbabafather:


To prove you are serious, go and make phone calls near an army checkpoint and have someone video you while the soldiers beat the he'll out of you, let them torture you for 2 hours and leave you brutalized and bleeding from many parts of your body just because you made innocent phone calls.

Is that The right punishment for such offence as is written in your zoo constitution?

Was it right to throw Mrs. Ransom Kuti down from here upstairs house by unknown soldiers for an offence she didn't commit?

Okay, let them arrest Osinbajo and lock him up for 300 years while they give Buharri a mere house arrest for the terrible bungling of the nations laws and throwing everyone into recession

That's the type of injustice the army in Nigeria are known for.

I am not telling you , you are wrong
Nigerian are tired of corruption
Nigeria can't move forward without killing corruption
There will be a price to pay
some individuals will have to give up their blood for the Nigeria we all want

GoodFaith:


I am not telling you , you are wrong
Nigerian are tired of corruption
Nigeria can't move forward without killing corruption
There will be a price to pay
some individuals will have to give up their blood for the Nigeria we all want

Please, don't think I am insulting you, but you are a bl**dy coward!

Why not lead from the front, why not submit your own blood and the blood of your people for Nigeria to become great again. Your mates are setting themselves ablaze to create awareness to a rotten society and you are here flapping your mouth about some people giving their blood?

All the blood flowing in Nigeria from the millions murdered in the 1966 pogroms to the millions who were slaughtered in the civil war to Saro Wiwa being hung, to Odi wipeout to Abiola and his wife to ElZakzaki and his shite family to Biafran protesters to Mile 12 killings to Fulani herdsmen free slaughtering is not enough blood letting to you?

Iranu!

PLZ PLZ PLZ
This is Building Section, we have a robust Political section,there are people who are battle ready there
Thanks.

erico2k2:
PLZ PLZ PLZ
This is Building Section, we have a robust Political section,there are people who are battle ready there
Thanks.

You have to talk to the f**l called daboomb or is dafool to stop making political comments. He invited me from where I was lounging in the politics section.

Sprumbabafather:


You have to talk to the f**l called daboomb or is dafool to stop making political comments. He invited me from where I was lounging in the politics section.

Lol...

Sprumbabafather:


You have to talk to the f**l called daboomb or is dafool to stop making political comments. He invited me from where I was lounging in the politics section.

Brov plz take it easy Daboomb plz take it easy too
I beg of you two, this thread is realy great and of massive help to everyone when its peaceful I promise.

erico2k2:

Brov plz take it easy Daboomb plz take it easy too
I beg of you two, this thread is realy great and of massive help to everyone when its peaceful I promise.

Let me retreat, until I am quoted again.

Need an interior designer ? Call 08137676551
Kindly refer a friend.

true2home:
you are fine Sir. What most people does not know is that the exterior wall actually carry's less load that the partition wall in the building itself. The exterior walls usually carry's half the load that sits on it and in some cases, even a quarter of the load. The partition walls in the middle of the house carry direct loads from the roof squarely. Read up on Tributary Areas on columns for more details... Engineering!!!

True. Often times i see them shouting 9" block for external walls on this section, i just laugh.
Most internal walls also carry load same as or even more than some external walls.
Someone asked who made it a standard, no congent answer was given.

snakebeat:

True. Often times i see them shouting 9" block for external walls on this section, i just laugh.
Most internal walls also carry load same as or even more than some external walls.
Someone asked who made it a standard, no congent answer was given.

I think the reasons for choosing 9" blocks for the external walls is only because of the decision for parapet and not for the roof weight. Sometimes, it's a better practice to provide for eventualities like a fascia which rests on the external walls and columns by using 9" blocks which will enable a wider column on the external part of the building.

spyder880:


I think the reasons for choosing 9" blocks for the external walls is only because of the decision for parapet and not for the roof weight. Sometimes, it's a better practice to provide for eventualities like a fascia which rests on the external walls and columns by using 9" blocks which will enable a wider column on the external part of the building.

True, Sir.

And astute architect/builders take roof load into consideration when deciding what block size to use for partitions.

There's a reason for concrete "pliers"

(Sorry Azuh, I couldn't help my self.)

One of the funniest posts I've read in this section is Skimanski writing that he ran out of a building he went to look at in Lekki as soon as he saw what the builder did. I hope I didn't quote you wrong, El Maestro.

erico2k2:

Brov plz take it easy Daboomb plz take it easy too
I beg of you two, this thread is realy great and of massive help to everyone when its peaceful I promise.

Thank you. I was discussing Politics with some people but not him

I am sure you know that l did not have any convo with him at all (just read the back pages to confirm) and l have deliberately ignored all his jibes as well.
I know he is dying to exchange words with me
But l know an attack Dog, when l see one. He should report back to the person that sent him

For now, l will allow him to keep attacking and fighting himself as below.
It is allowed in A Demon-Crazy.

spyder880:


I think the reasons for choosing 9" blocks for the external walls is only because of the decision for parapet and not for the roof weight. Sometimes, it's a better practice to provide for eventualities like a fascia which rests on the external walls and columns by using 9" blocks which will enable a wider column on the external part of the building.

So many variations to reasons for 9" block external walls
Honestly your reason is a very nice one. But from my years of practice and little knowledge about structures, colums sized 150mm centered at the right spacing can adequately carry the load of concrete fascia. BC Specified the use of 9" blocks for a reason for suspended floors. It is good if we also use it for bungalows, but not necessary as many portray it to be on here.

Big one, Presently Haulage is really making big waves now.

With a capital of N30m you are sure of N3.5m every month, Interested individual contact me Calls/whatsapp: 08055545355, 08032887233

N30m presently can not buy a plot of land and build 4units of 3bedroom apartment(Economy class) also a 4units 3bedroom apartment can only get you a income of N3m a year.

Think Haulage with Chekitaut.

All well said... quoted n quoted. I best love 9" for construction.



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All quality n safety. whatsapp;08100452977

It good to make block by oneself wen starting a bungalow but on my view I discouraged doing that for duplex or storey buildings. I prefer getting a good mode block from the factory for strength n retainability of bearing the duplex or storey load with adequate columns.
And in place of cornice, it beautifies a design well n it type differs.

Let's share minds on this.

Nice this thread is still up and kicking, been a while in here. All the baba them I Hail Una oh..
cc EgunMogaji
Hajj M et al.

Chekitaut:
Big one, Presently Haulage is really making big waves now.

With a capital of N30m you are sure of N3.5m every month, Interested individual contact me Calls/whatsapp: 08055545355, 08032887233

N30m presently can not buy a plot of land and build 4units of 3bedroom apartment(Economy class) also a 4units 3bedroom apartment can only get you a income of N3m a year.

Think Haulage with Chekitaut.

And how long will this Haulage business continue to provide the stated income?

Will it be up to fifty years, as some house built in the 70's are still raking-in come till date and the value of the land sef is currently over #100M.

Sir, I like your idea but l also like to do due dilligence by asking the relevant questions.

chidexxy007:
Nice this thread is still up and kicking, been a while in here. All the baba them I Hail Una oh..
cc EgunMogaji
Hajj M et al.

As you remember me so God shall remember you Sir.

This thread is like the crip gang, it doesn't die, just multiplies

EgunMogaji:


As you remember me so God shall remember you Sir.

This thread is like the crip gang, it doesn't die, just multiplies

Amen baba.. lol @MI... we don't die, we multiply. nice one baba
How life na nd how the constructions they go. Your boy still dy at your service o, just incase.