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Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Akinbahm(m): 11:52pm On Aug 30, 2017 |
tosyne2much:Truly they might be Muslims but the question is are they practising Islam the way they suppose to practise it(The way Al-Qur'an teaches it verses and surah) 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Oyebee91(m): 12:47am On Aug 31, 2017 |
Lol. ....then,girls didn't come to puberty at early age. ..from what I learnt, girls can get married to a man after her first menstruation. ...but nowadays a girl of 11 has already reached puberty...Some stuffs have to been changed due to consideration |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Brooke60(f): 7:59am On Aug 31, 2017 |
MrCork:cork head Shut up there! 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Islamicduawazif(m): 9:09am On Aug 31, 2017 |
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Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Nobody: 10:58am On Aug 31, 2017 |
Brooke60:sule this online jihad you think you are doing is pointless. let your prophet defend himself, london is being overrun with moslems. 2 Likes |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Brooke60(f): 1:32pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
funmisticqueen:U quote the wrong person |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by rosy4u(f): 2:04pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Akinbahm: I've always known that Islam is practiced by Muslims.. Unless u wanna tell me Muslims now have a different religion/faith Abeg coman clarify |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by babtoundey(m): 3:40pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
[quote author=guy1234 post=59920105] So if a 10 year old girl is smart, well behaved, obedient and all, goes to mosque as at when due and doesn't give anyone problems, she's mature for marriage?[/quote Well, I will advise you read what I posted once more. ISLAM LAYS EMPHASIS ON MATURITY... NOW ASK YOURSELF IS A 10 YEAR OLD GIRL MATURE? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by babtoundey(m): 3:54pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
tosyne2much: Whatever makes you conclude Islam preaches terrorism as a result of the individuals who hide under religion to perpetrate their nefarious acts should make you judge Christianity and it's teachings by the action of fake pastors and dubious prophets. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by tosyne2much(m): 4:18pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
babtoundey:Whether you agree or not, Islam followers are violent in nature. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by MrCork: 6:14pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Pampasi(m): 7:09pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Cuteamigo1: Nothing left to say bro. You are a fvckin pedophile. Tufiakwa |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Cuteamigo1(m): 7:27pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Pampasi:i will not follow you exchange abuses but please tell me what is the required age for marriage in christianity ? am assuming you are Christian. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Pampasi(m): 7:40pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Cuteamigo1: I don't do things with religion. The Bible and Quaran were written by humans. I was given a brain and sense for a reason. I do things with common sense and not what religion tells me. All that being said, My common sense will never allow me at the age of 30 or whatever marriable age I find myself as a man to approach a girl of 10 years, even if she does look 2 years younger than me for marriage. It is against all common sense and humanity. A 10 year old girl is not anywhere mature or whatever. They don't have the capacity to reason or make decisions for themselves and it is damn pedophilic for a full fledged man with a brain that is not malfunctioning to approach them with the thought of wooing talk less of marrying, sleeping and impregnating them. Tufiakwa again. That is plain evil 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Cuteamigo1(m): 7:43pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Pampasi:i dint bother reading your write up after the first paragraph. it says all about you and i dont feel the need to reapond to your mentions anymore. you are not religious therefore dont meddle with issues that you dont want to be part of. by the way thr tufiakwa you said translate it for me. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Nobody: 7:47pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Brooke60:my bad, sorry |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Pampasi(m): 7:55pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Cuteamigo1: You didn't read my write up after the first paragraph but you read tufiakwa. Just keep religion aside and let common sense do the thinking for you. Jesus Christ came as a human, Mohammed too came as a human just like you and if a book is written with their names and they tell you to do things, you must use ur brain as a rational thinking human being to know what's proper and improper. Just sit down and analyze all those child and underage marriages and look how most of them ends. Most times on nairaland Frontpages, when the little wife gets maltreated or something like that, either she kills her husband or she does harm to the co wife's child. There are many cases of it here. A matured woman would know that violence is not the only way out and there something called divorce but a 10 year old Hardly knows that, next thing they resort to killing anyone that causes them grievance. By the way, 98 out of 100 of those marriages are forced, done without the consent of the girl. That's straight demonic bro. Tufiakwa means God forbid. 2 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Olaedoh: 8:04pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Basic123: This is a typical example of what the op is talking about. You're asked a question, instead of you to answer, you diverted to Aba, is Aba the topic here?. How does all this epistle answer the question asked. Just like someone said above, when faced with a situation they're embarrassed about, they either try to justify it, blame others for it or try to divert to a topic where others will be blamed 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Cuteamigo1(m): 9:05pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
Pampasi:goodnight man. this will lead us nowhere as we both look at life from a different prism. i will say this again that i dont support child marriage and thier is more to it than religion, race or tribe but i dont expect you to understand. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by ib0221: 9:13pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
I posted earlier, in which I questioned the import and disposition of the op and his or her gangs coupled with little explanation and referral, but the post was deleted by whoever. I understand that some people are what they are- they can can't learn and they can't change. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Next2Bezee(m): 9:26pm On Aug 31, 2017 |
babtoundey: This is the typical response of a Muslim who is challeged with explaining the nefarious activities of other muslims. (1.) Deny that the perpetrators are muslim. (2.) Claim that they are actually Christians in disguise trying to slander their religion because Christians don't have anything better to do. (3.) Call Christianity out entirely. When you look at all these, you begin to wonder how a person can have a religion they feel so inferior about that they have to try and belittle another one to please themselves. 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Akinbahm(m): 12:06am On Sep 01, 2017 |
rosy4u:Almighty Allah said whoever whom want to worship me should have a full knowledge about he (Allah) because you wont be able to worship him well without transgressing and Prophet Muhammad (saw) said any one who do the opposite of what Al-Qur'an says he is not his followers or practise the opposite of his deed (sunnah) will not enter paradise with him... All these your so called Muslim u tagged as Mumuni aint practicing it the way Rosullah (saw) practised it.... 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Akinbahm(m): 12:16am On Sep 01, 2017 |
[quote author=Pampasi post=60010586] You didn't read my write up after the first paragraph but you read tufiakwa. Just keep religion aside and let common sense do the thinking for you. Jesus Christ came as a human, Mohammed too came as a human just like you and if a book is written with their names and they tell you to do things, you must use ur brain as a rational thinking human being to know what's proper and improper. Just sit down and analyze all those child and underage marriages and look how most of them ends. Most times on nairaland Frontpages, when the little wife gets maltreated or something like that, either she kills her husband or she does harm to the co wife's child. There are many cases of it here. A matured woman would know that violence is not the only way out and there something called divorce but a 10 year old Hardly knows that, next thing they resort to killing anyone that causes them grievance. By the way, 98 out of 100 of those marriages are forced, done without the consent of the girl. That's straight demonic bro. Tufiakwa means God forbid.[/quote Prophet Muhammad (saw) said you should let your daughter to do her second menstruation in her husband house he didn't just think and say it cause Allah himself just use him as means of communication to all... now use brain to contemplate on this question if all girls are doing their second menstrual inside their husband household will they be girls left in the town to be slaying around? 1 Like |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Basic123: 5:54am On Sep 01, 2017 |
Olaedoh:You are an hypocrite. cant you see that I just replied a quoted comment and not commenting on the post.Study the thread again! Embarrassed about what?...for your mind 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Nobody: 9:26pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
1. ogashub, chibike69, babtoundey, guy1234, Quality20, Greene66, tosyne2much, victornezzar,Tuham, Mrcork, Next2Bezee, kimbraa, MyNewjakeT,Brooke60,Cuteamigo1, Brooke60,Sunnystooth,ibo221. ITS PARTY TIME. I have number my post 1 to 3 which serves as an INSIGHT that calls for HONEST REFLECTION IF SINCERITY is what the op seeks. There was this thread by 'thepasserby' which he made on 1st Jun with the title: THROW BACK: VIRGINS OF EGBALAND IN 1893. And so?! Well, an interesting comment was made on that particular thread, which I have pasted below for all to read hopefully without BIAS, SENTIMENTS NOR PREJUDICE if TRUTH is what we SINCERELY seek and not EMPTINESS. "Wisdom is found only in truth". (Wolfang Goethe). The interesting comment is as thus: irynterripost=57078377]those of us who were privileged to meet our great grand mothers can attest to the fact that in those days women married before they clocked 14-15yrs[/quote] *If you care to verify the authenticity of that comment. Its the 18th post when you count from the top. Source: www.nairaland.com/3833390/throwback-virgins-egbaland-1893 It is the 23rd post, counting from top. www.nairaland.com/3833390/throwback-virgins-egbaland-1893/2 Well, irynterri responded back to SkinnyDude as thus: irynterri:Her quote is the 22nd post, counting from the top. www.nairaland.com/3833390/throwback-virgins-egbaland-1893/3 Let me repeat irynterri's response in capital letters for all to see clearly and to read again carefully so as to comprehend her response to skinnydude: "I'M FROM THE EAST, YOU CAN ASK VERY OLD PEOPLE". irynterri made it clear that she is not from the NORTHERN part of Nigeria but from the EAST and these women she has told us about are as well from they EASTERN part of Nigeria like she is and not from the NORTH. Now, any SINCERE, TRUTHFUL and HONEST (had to use all those adjectives together don't blame me) SEEKER after TRUTH will understand perfectly two emphasies made by irynterri which are: 1. "THOSE WHO WERE PRIVILEGE TO MEET OUR GREAT GRAND PARENTS CAN ATTEST TO THE FACT". And then if you ain't privilege, as she is 2. "YOU CAN ASK VERY OLD PEOPLE". In a nut shell, what irynterri is AT LEAST telling us is that once upon a time, in Eastern Nigeria, "THOSE DAYS WOMEN MARRIED BEFORE THEY CLOCKED 14-15". (always bear in mind the 'AGE OF CONSENT', "married before they clocked 14-15) The question I will like all of us to PONDER over now is this: Was the Eastern part of Nigeria dominated by ISLAM in "those days" hence the reason why "women married before they clocked 14-15"? Were these women MUSLIMS? Well, the answer is a capital NO!!! with three emphatic exclamation marks NO! NO! NO!. So, why did women in eastern Nigeria 'IN THOSE DAYS' as attested by irynterri marry BEFORE they clock 14-15? WHY?! IF THEY WERE NOT MUSLIMS. THEN WHY?! Its an insightful question to think about really, ogashub. For proper comprehension, Pls kindly read the number 2 post. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Nobody: 9:28pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
2. Okay, let us now explore further and far away from the Eastern part of Nigeria, far away from the shores of Africa and as far away as the United States of America. Our exploration, using the lens of REALITY OF PERCEPTION IN PERFECT PRECISION in our search and not the lens of SENTIMENTAL ASSUME. "While the general age of consent is now set between 16 and 18 in all U.S States, THE AGE OF CONSENT HAS WIDELY VARIED IN THE PAST. In 1880, the age of consent was set at 10 or 12 in most states, with the exception of Delaware, WHERE IT WAS 7". I just quoted WIKIPEDIA, AGES OF CONSENT IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States Before we go too far, we need to understand what it means by, AGE OF CONSENT. And which is: "The age of consent is the age at which a person is considered to be LEGALLY COMPETENT TO CONSENT SEXUAL ACTS, and is thus THE MINIMUM AGE of a person with whom another person is legally permitted to engage in SEXUAL ACTIVITY. It sometimes used with other meanings, such as the age at which a person becomes COMPETENT TO CONSENT MARRIAGE". Defination according to (WIKIPEDIA, AGE OF CONSENT. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent) The above ages between 7 and 14 years old were the OFFICIAL AGES BY LAW which a female could ENGAGE IN SEXUAL ACTIVITY,AS WELL AS GET MARRIED, in the United States until 1920. When these,"..ages of consent generally rose to 16-18 and small adjustments to these Laws occurred after 1920". https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States Just as was asked about the Eastern part of Nigeria. The same question goes to the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA too, and which is: WAS ISLAM RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE AGES OF CONSENT IN THE UNITED STATES UNTIL THE 1920S. HENCE, THE REASON FOR THOSE LEGALLY PERMITTED AGES BETWEEN 7 TO 14 FOR A FEMALE TO GET MARRIED? THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION TOO IS A CAPITAL NO!!! WITH THREE EXCLAMATION MARKS. NO! NO! NO! SO, WHY?! ITS A GOOD QUESTION TO PONDER ABOUT TOO. WHY THOSE AGE RANGE IN SUCH AS THE MIGHTY UNITED STATES OF AMERICA UNTIL 1920? Can tosyne2much tell us the reason why? "Language was invented to ask questions. Answers may be given by grunts and gestures, but questions must be spoken. Humanness came of age when man asked the first question. Social stagnation results not from a lack of answers but from absence of the impulse to ask questions". (Eric Hoffer, Reflection on the Human condition) Kindly continue your reading with the next post. |
Re: Why Do Muslims Always Dodge Giving Explanations To Child Marriages by Nobody: 9:29pm On Sep 01, 2017 |
3. Ogashub hope you don't mind if we EXPLORE FURTHER and far away from the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA to other parts of the WORLD, If TRUTH is what we SINCERELY seek, an ENLIGTHENMENT? Okay, there is a chart by STEPHEN ROBERTSON UNIVERSITY OF SYDNEY AUSTRALIA which shows 'AGES OF CONSENT LAWS, CHILDREN AND YOUTH IN HISTORY'. It gives us an INSIGHT as to what was available then and now in some parts of the world. VERY INTERESTING CHART REALLY. The authentic link to the chart is www.chnm.gmu.edu/cyh/teaching-modules/230?section=primarysources&source=24 , referenced by WIKIPEDIA, AGES OF CONSENT, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_the_United_States On that chart it so clearly shows that these following countries, Austria, Germany, Italy, Portugal, Ecuador, Canada AGE OF CONSENT is 14 years old as of 2012 as retrieved by Wikipedia. Spain, Argentina, AGE OF CONSENT is 13. Well see for yourself. THE QUESTION STILL REMAINS THE SAME AS WAS ASKED ABOUT EASTERN NIGERIA, UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND NOW THIS OTHER COUNTRIES OF THE WORLD. THE QUESTION IS: IS ISLAM RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR CHOICE OF AGES OF CONSENT? ARE THESE COUNTRIES PRACTICING SHARIA, ISLAMIC LAW AND THAT IS THE REASON WHY? Which brings us back to your own original thread : Ogashub:Source: www.nairaland.com/4018643/why-muslims-always-dodge-giving ogashub I don't know if this name SONYA rings a bell. So what is it about the personality of 'SONYA'. First of all, she is not a MUSLIM, NEITHER IS SHE FROM THE NORTHERN PART OF NIGERIA. Sonya is an American who at the age of 13 years married a MAN and some years later gave birth to two boys (not twins). One of her two boys aspired to become the President of THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA in this so recently finished election that has brought TRUMP to power. HIS NAME IS BEN CARSON, SON OF A ONE TIME SONYA WHO MARRIED CARSON'S FATHER AT THE AGE OF THIRTEEN. www.naturalhealthstrategies.com/Ben-Carson.html Anyway I will continue from here for I am not yet through, AT ALL AS TO THE EXPLANATION which you seek. But Please for now let us ponder over those questions being asked as to AGES OF CONSENT if Islam is also responsible for them. I CHOSE SUCH A STAND POINT, THE REALITY OF OUR WORLD,VEIWING IT WITH HONESTY AND NOT BIAS.*to be continued....................................very soon. Ogashub: Be patient you will get a holistic explanation. Keep calm. In summary what you tag as 'CHILD MARRIAGE' is world wide concept in its originality. If so, where then does ISLAM STANDS? Well take note that though I have used irynterri's attestation as to Eastern Nigeria. The TRUTH is it is the same as all cultures in Nigeria as far as TRADITION is concern. The question still remains. WAS ISLAM RESPONSIBLE FOR SUCH? Hence there must be a COMMON GROUND as to why what is agreed in Islam as AGE OF CONSENT has reflected all around the world through the ages. You can read further, AGES OF CONSENT before I continue. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent "WISDOM IS FOUND ONLY IN TRUTH". (ogashub, you can as well know more about Ben Carson whose mother Sonya married at the age of 13 from this link. His story is an inspiration too https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Carson ) |
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