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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 2:17pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Theres still that 40 F-16s in Isreal looking for a buyer.. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 2:21pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Henry240:best reply 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by rka2: 2:23pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Henry240: There is a possibility it could happen regarding the Apaches from the UK as several D models are in storage (others are going to be upgraded to the E model). It won't even alter the balance of power in the region as such because of the Mi-24/35s that Nigeria and other West/ Central African states operate. Even the Cameroonians operate night capable Z9s from China. The most likely though would be retired Lynx MK9s. 2 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 2:24pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power:mig 29m2 or mig35 is a better choice, the F16 wouldn't favor us |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 2:39pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Henry240: And exactly so that Nigeria is asking for it doesn't mean we are going to get them. But it's in the realm of possibility. You seem to harp on transfer and EDA which I don't envisage is the case here. No one knows exactly what's in the offing but clearly it's concrete the Nigerians made the request for attack helicopters from the British. It is the British and possibly the people asking them for it know who what kind of arrangement they have with the original manufacturer and how that can be sorted out. Having said that it is the US president that is the chief weapons salesman of the world with the approval of congress and if president Trump sees any win-win for the US you might just consider it a done deal with support from Congress. Still President Buhari has the option of approaching the US directly for sale of such capabilities. Who is attacking who's interest in Africa? France against Nigeria in direct war is silly to contemplate. Which modern state fight such wars. States adopt contingency doctrines for: 1. Winnable Wars vis-a-vis the belligerent state in question. 2. Wars of Attrition of indefinite span to weaken, demoralize and ultimately force the more powerful or near equal belligerent adversary to withdraw and negotiate terms of peace. Neither countries have the capacity for the first outcome save for a nuclear weapon and neither can afford the latter. A conflict is out of the question but economic co-operation for prosperity. The only other option is: 3. Proxy Wars to overtime wear out an enemy state and keep it in perpetual weakness. Do you seriously think France with 4,000 troops and 5 bases in the region is a directed as a military threat to Nigeria? I think the French are better than that. The route open to the French is destabilizing antics and the last time we had such overt actions we trounced them. In fact Nigeria has trounced France every time it chose not to subtly show it's hand like the nuclear test in our backyard. There better means of retaliation against France and there's no military option. Right now except for the unknown fingers in boko haram the political and military balance is in Nigeria's Favour with the French as partners. No gainsaying the Tucano is a dream to have with it's configurations but it in it self alone is limited in speed and range for strategic conventional effect. There are three regional powers in Africa: 1. Nigeria 2. South Africa 3. Egypt. Of the three Nigeria is the dominant power with the largest population by far, the largest economy by far and political heavyweight. The French deployment of 4,000 troops does not alter that balance of power. And if u insist I'll find vid of a French president talking about the merits of the Nigerian military and post it here. The 1st mechanized division Kaduna alone which is Nigeria's foremost fighting unit and never used in the Boko insurgency which experts questioned is larger than the entire French deployment in Africa. If the US government will not sell us F-16s we can get that capability elsewhere and they know it. Already diplomats in Washington as we speak question the wisdom in continuing to deny Nigeria sale of certain capabilities with the purchase of the JF-17 thunders etc. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 2:50pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
here we go again . France will be looking at this guy like; 4 Likes
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 2:55pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
off topic . French Navy Aircraft Carrier 1 Like
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Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 2:59pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power: Actually laughing at u. The French that could not keep the peace in Central African Republic. Did they tell you their soldiers were raping kids there. C'mon change your mindset and learn what you don't know. 3 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 3:01pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power: I remember what a Chinese General told the Americans before they developed Aircraft Carrier Killers. I think the French took note. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by LTGEN: 3:12pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Adminisher:Nigeria has in the past purchased the Naval Version of the Lynx. IMHO.The Nigerians are asking for the Army's version of the Lynx to serve as an attack Helicopter. France has a over a $1B of investments in Nigeria , the Oil Find by Total in the 2000s was one of the largest in the World. France's investments in Nigeria dwarf those of it's former colonies. France this year has pledged another $1B as in direct FDI to Nigeria. France is currently building 3 x Naval Warships and 3 Naval Helicopters for Nigeria. Enough said. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:15pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Adminisher: Did you read this part of my comment? Henry240: |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 3:16pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
giles14:all three you mentioned are in the medium weight category. . The Gripen, JF-17, Tejas, F-50 Golden Eagle and F-5 Tiger are all lightweights. So it all depends on our overall objective. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:22pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
rka2: The Apaches are not for the British to give away. For any sort of transfer to happen, the British would need US congressional approval. The Apache would alter the balance of power because that would mean a threat to French interests in the region. MI-35m / Z-9 are Russian and Chinese assets, no worries with that because those birds come from a different political landscape. Yes, i said most likely any sort of helicopters would be utility. However, even this is highly unlikely, as from the tone of Boris Johnson, he wasn't to inclined with the idea of selling/transferring offensive equipment. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 3:22pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
LTGEN:I dont really think it would be prudent to add another type of helicopter into the mix... we already operate a,wide range of utility helicopters with similar characteristics. . I would suggest we just standardizes the fleet instead. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Covert1: 3:25pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
LTGEN: God Bless You LTGEN. Enough Said. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Adminisher: 3:29pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Henry240: Army Lynx and WildCat are not utility helicopters. The WildCat is equipped with advanced FLIR and effective l anti surface missiles. No cannons though. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:38pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Covert1:I'm happing on transfer and EDA as it is the best we can do at this time as we already have new attack helicopters, fighter planes and fighter jets on order. I simply don't see how we plan to fund an additional purchase of new attack helicopters from the UK. I insist it is not in the realm of possibilities. The UK doesn't have the authority to export US equipment. Congress will not approve a purchase of the AH-64 to Nigeria as the politics of interest can and has been served with the sale of the Tucano. The British do not have any AH of thier own. Without the US Congress approving a sale, no country gets that equipment. Trump doesn't have the sole authority to approve any sale of defence equipment. With each visit of a "foreign" high ranking political office holder, we ask for a sale or transfer of military equipment to deal with our insurgency. I don't know why this is even news. We did same with Germany, France, China and very recently Russia. No biggie. President Buhari has approached the US, and the US has approved a sale that is inline with the overall US interest, with consideration of US allies in the region. Hence the approval of the Tucano sale. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 3:39pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power: Heavy weight fighter, I'll go for su 30 or J10 |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 3:47pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power:d thing tire me |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 3:51pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power:I'm aware of the weight category, was only saying because of the aircraft age,version and sanctions in the future (Jaguar jets n CH47) |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:52pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Covert1: The fact the French already have 4,000 troops in Africa is a threat to Nigeria or any other regional power. It means the French can easily reinforce thier positions more rapidly in the event of a confrontation. France is a dominant military figure in Africa. This has always been true, it is still true. The French are well entrenched in Mali, Chad, Ivory Coast CAR, Djibouti, Senegal, Burkina Faso, Cameroun, Niger and Gabon. Let us use out tongues to count our teeth. The French are a significant power in Africa. Anybody can talk about the merits of another, that's also not the issue here. The fact is the French have the capacity and infrastructure to support a large military build-up which is a significant military threat to Nigeria. We are getting the capabilities of the F-16 in the JF-17, however the JF-17 is not an American fighter. Not something the US can control. 2 Likes |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by giles14(m): 3:52pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
tdayof:I doubt if d J10 is in that category |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 3:53pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Adminisher: They are armed helicopters, not Attack Helicopters. Significant difference. Same thing as the Bell UH-1Y Venom. 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by tdayof(m): 3:55pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
giles14: True. Thanks. I'll go for the su 30 as an heavy weight fighter but the j10 is an aircraft I love. The J10 is okay for us. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by Nobody: 4:21pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
tdayof: j10 medium weight category edit did not see the comments below sorry |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by iblawi(m): 4:27pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Henry240: Bros, no much details was provided and that was why I didn't post it here. Its just like the Mig that we have no info about. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 4:29pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Covert1: DF-21 "Carrier killers" are a fvcking meme. Holy sh1t, bro. What is AEGIS and THAAD? 1 Like |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by patches689: 4:34pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
lionel4power: wtf is this "weight" nonsense? Thats not how you class them. Also, you are grouping trainers with fighters. |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 4:45pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
tdayof:I think J-10 is medium weight fighter |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by lionel4power(m): 4:49pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
patches689:the F-50 golden eagle I mentioned has a light fighter version. . The Gripen is a light fighter same with Tejas. ![]() Lightweight fighters has a disadvantage against medium or heavy weights in combat |
Re: African Militaries/ Security Services Strictly Photos Only And Videos Thread by rka2: 4:58pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Henry240: I never said it was to give away by the British Government as the point about permission from the US has already been mentioned. You don't have to have a Western system in the region before the US will introduce a new weapon as long as they are not the first to do so. BTW, the lynx was also regarded as an attack (tank killer) heli by the British Army as used in Iraq. |
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