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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 9:27pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
KolaShangOne: Oga KolaShangOne, a man has to know his own limitation. This is for survival ![]() https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uki4lrLzRaU When we hang plants/flowers on walls here we use trelis. Is trelis available in Nigeria? It can be easily constructed with wood or metal. ![]() ![]() PS: Erico2K2, spend this money, Telcos will appreciate it small ![]() |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by AngelicBeing: 9:28pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
yak:ok |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 9:38pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
Timtol:u prepare BOQ ARE YOU A QS? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 10:39pm On Sep 02, 2017 |
nineville: per bucket. labour per day. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Timtol(m): 12:40am On Sep 03, 2017 |
raymondFirstborn:No but have a partner being a QS. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 7:43am On Sep 03, 2017 |
Timtol:Am a QS myself that's why I asked. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by skimanski(m): 9:20am On Sep 03, 2017 |
Daboomb: Sir, You have completely educated me on it. Which is the reason why I posted the Pics initially. Thanks a lot. Your comments explains it clearly 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by skimanski(m): 9:22am On Sep 03, 2017 |
raymondFirstborn: What if dem waste Paint bucket all to make Paint bucket quick finish? You charge per wall Sq.meter 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 10:14am On Sep 03, 2017 |
raymondFirstborn: QS is a dead profession. Modern software can spit out detailed schedules of materials. 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 10:30am On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: And you what is your profession? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 10:43am On Sep 03, 2017 |
skimanski: EVERY ONE KNOWS ITS PER SQM BUT YOU WOULD MULTIPLY THE SQM OF THE SURFACE AREA BY A RATE. THAT RATE IS WHAT AM TALKING ABOUT. RATE : Material cost/SQM labour cost/SQM wastage 7.5% transportation general overhead 25% BUT HE ASKED FOR ESTIMATE WHICH IS CALCULATED USING BUCKETS and daily labour rate (8hours/day)although some painters charge PERSQM. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 10:55am On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: So because people can now produce floor plans USING easy to use software.Does that mean ARCHITECTURE IS A DEAD? CHECK ALL THESE JOBSITES THERE S ALWAYS JOB POSTING FOR QS. And if you dont know QS's are the only building professionals that have knowledge of all construction professions civil,architecture,building, estate management, mechanical a electrical engineering. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:12am On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: They'll be coming for you ![]() 1 Like
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 11:36am On Sep 03, 2017 |
raymondFirstborn: You cannot bypass the architect on major projects. The architect is usually the project manager. You can easily bypass the QS. I do not need a QS to prepare boqs. You can lift or export bom information from Electrical, civil, mechanical etc drawings. If I can prepare a competent and comprehensive boq without a QS, and I can log and measure all work done with a clerk of works or resident engineer, what value is engaging a QS adding to me? 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 11:46am On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: yeh mogbe project manager, that's a wrong info.True you cant bypass an architect Only a few architects with experience can manage a project . But if you put a QS ON THE PROJECT even if its just 3years experience YOU ARE GOOD TO GO. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 11:49am On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb:It is preferable to speak ill of an individual and not an entire profession. And this has given me a reason to ask you; What exactly is your profession? 3 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 11:49am On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb:Before I argue too much whats your profession? 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 12:00pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
raymondFirstborn: Industry wise....the Architect remains the No.1 in any project and every other follows. But every professional as regarding construction works is very relevant. For certain reasons people make use of short cuts to avoid paying certain fees and you'll not see such in an organised environment. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 12:06pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
bixton: Yes your correct. that's why me AS A SHARP QS, I am 4in1 QS,ARCHITECT,BUILDER,CONTRACTOR all na hussle. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:18pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
all i see are demands to know what i do. that is not relevant to this discussion this is the typical workflow in my office PM prepares project brief /proposal/scope architect prepares drawings. discipline engineers prepare drawings and boqs PM reviews for adequacy, prepares cost estimate etal QS does not feature in the workflow. even worse is the fact that we had a QS some years back who kept on giving us poorly done estimates that messed us up in the field. to date i still have no idea how the QS lifted quantities, given the horrible variations. raymondFirstborn: raymondFirstborn: you see. what is funny is your rank hypocrisy. you first start calling out others demanding to know if they are a QS, then you come out boasting you do QS, Architect builder contractor as 'hustle'. by yourself you are admitting that your profession is dying, otherwise you would not be doing the same thing [taking up the work of other professionals ] you were bitching about a few posts ago. bixton: it is not about shortcuts. it is about actual value add. if i cannot clearly point to the value you are adding to my project, then why am i employing you? 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:18pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: Well said. For the types of jobs that we discuss here mostly, that profession is a complete waste. Now, for financed buildings, joint builds, commercial builds then an argument can be made. I've heard of a unique situation though from Hajj where the HOA is asking for a QS. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by topsy23: 12:21pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: There is no construction company without QS, their job cannot be overlook. Talk of Bill of Engineering measurement and Evaluation called (BEME), Valuation, Variation works, etc their services are really needed even in M&E company. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:22pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: This. |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:27pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: if the client has deep pockets, he can push for a QS so that the contractor can be monitored and material use tracked. there's this story about one of these big projects [mulistorey office building] where the contractors tried to bribe the QS with millions in cash to effect some clause or arcane method of measurement. this would have netted the contractor hundreds of millions. the QS no gree. in very large projects you may require core specialists, but software is blurring the lines. in the past you had drafters , secretaries and engineers, today engineers do design , drawing and reports themselves. everyone is adapting to becoming generalists, rather than specialists - even our friend who does architect, QS, builder and contractor ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 12:37pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: You made it your your to put off an entire profession. I think those who it is theirs should as well in turn know what exactly is yours. Now if your company had a QS who could not add value to his employer, does that mean all QS don't add value to the system? If one happen to get the services of an Architect whose designs are entirely criticised and modified by a Civil Engineer and vice versa in certain instances it has happened does that mean both professions don't add value to the system. For the QS not to add value is an option you make and not that the QS is a dead profession. Do you think in organised settings an Architect or Civil Engineer can actually submit a BOM without getting the services of a QS? If anyone happens to get the services of an artisan who does all of the above perfectly I guess the services of the Architect and Civil Engineer in your company cease to exist? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by bixton(m): 12:43pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: Regarding the bold I am also sure that a good artisan is highly recommended and all others are purely a waste too. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 12:45pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: I work in a QS FIRM but side hustle I do drawings supervision and contracting. Back to your answer.The QS your company employed no sabi. But when a QS is talking the other professionals would calm down and listen because a company can run into debt if a QS sneezes. I dont know who your CEO IS but by worldwide standard every project needs a cost professional from the design to post construction stage. 1 Like |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:45pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
oyb: When was the last time we discussed multi story office building here though? It's usually single family homes. I'll try to find the post where someone asked for estimates on fencing a plot and one QS told him not to be cheap and to employ a QS ![]()
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Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by kino47: 12:53pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
Ok 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by raymondFirstborn(m): 12:56pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
EgunMogaji: kai see as una dey rubbish QS.No be una fault na economy cause am.In developed countries QS are third highest paid after the Project manager and the Architect |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 12:57pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
bixton: the key roles of a QS (quantity takeoff, cost estimation) have been overtaken by technology. you can spit out an entire BOM [architectural, m&e the whole nine yards using modern software. the other disciplines on a project require some degree of imagination; which is why the client may provide a design brief stating their expectations. lifting of material measurement from a design does not require imagination - all it requires is automation. if you, like most other professionals, are expanding your portfolio of capabilities then no problem, but if you are focusing on the traditional roles of QS - good luck to you. you should also note that invariably technology kills off professions If one happen to get the services of an Architect whose designs are entirely criticised and modified by a Civil Engineer and vice versa in certain instances it has happened does that mean both professions don't add value to the system. it comes back to what i said earlier. your architect or engineer provides a design. the design is a product of talent/imagination/experience. which is why several design solutions can arise from a single brief. however, the estimates/Bill of materials that will come from a design will roughly be the same Do you think in organised settings an Architect or Civil Engineer can actually submit a BOM without getting the services of a QS?i don't think this; i know this. If anyone happens to get the services of an artisan who does all of the above perfectly I guess the services of the Architect and Civil Engineer in your company cease to exist? if you do not continue to develop yourself, that is exactly what will happen. at any point you must be able to demonstrate to your client why you are a better choice. interestingly, on the last project i handled, the contractor's project manager was an experienced QS, and we went head to head on their numerous variation claims. at every instance they made inflated claims - some were 'typos'; some were double claims;some were over measurements; but we were able to ensure that they could only claim what they were owed. there was this bizarre claim where we would pay for materials delivered to site, and still be expected to pay full price for finished product. the QS kept saying that was the standard and that if i was a QS i would understand . maybe you guys could explain that standard to me ![]() 2 Likes |
Re: General Topic Thread-To Discuss Anything And Everything in Building Construction by Nobody: 1:02pm On Sep 03, 2017 |
kino47: Sorry that you're having issues. I'll never hire an artisan because I met them on Nairaland. I may hire them because I met them on Nairaland but still did the same due diligence that I do on any artisan that I hire. Good luck on solving this. |
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