ibtz:


just look at what u wrote. ehnn

Just tell someone what u just wrote to test your intelligence.

Ask him/her if your point is correct. u r obviously not dat sound.

3 distinct "instanceS" (of time) is not same as 3 distinct timeS. Lol, dont make me laugh.

i have 3 examples of distinct keys but with your logic, i cant call dem 3 distinct keys.

Am sorry, but i cant argue with someone who is not sound logically.

3 distinct "instanceS" (of time) is not same as 3 distinct timeS. Lol, u r a clown big time.

3 distinct keys are 3 distinct keys. Your brain isn't yet back. Give it some time and try again.

3 distinct |"instanceS"| of 1 time | explain | 1 time.
3 distinct | "personS" | of 1 God | explain | 1 God.
3 distinct | "_________"| of 1 key | explain | 1 key.

See what's missing?

Give your brain some recharge time and come back again.

9inches:


3 distinct keys are 3 distinct keys. Your brain isn't yet back. Give it some time and try again.

3 distinct |"instanceS"| of 1 time | explain | 1 time.
3 distinct | "personS" | of 1 God | explain | 1 God.
3 distinct | "_________"| of 1 key | explain | 1 key.

See what's missing?

Give your brain some recharge time and come back again.

Its obvious u r not Sound at all at all.

Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

U see why i said u r not sound logically ba?

ibtz:

Its obvious u r not Sound at all at all.

Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

U see why i said u r not sound logically ba?

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3 distinct |"instanceS"| of 1 time | explain | 1 time.
3 distinct | "personS" | of 1 God | explain | 1 God.
3 distinct | "_________"| of 1 key | explain | 1 key.

Can you see the loophole in your "key" analogy?

You are making 3 God types up; there are no 3 God types.

Again, come back your brain and fill the open space above, else you stick to exactly what I say.

9inches:


3 distinct |"instanceS"| of 1 time | explain | 1 time.
3 distinct | "personS" | of 1 God | explain | 1 God.
3 distinct | "_________"| of 1 key | explain | 1 key.
Can you see the loophole in your "key" analogy?
You are making 3 God types up; there are no 3 God types.
Again, come back your brain and fill the open space above, else you stick to exactly what I say.

Lol, now u know i am correct and i have caught u dats why u said i made God type up.

Oga u av been flawed, but i know u wont admit it. hahahahaha

And u know its true (from your response of me making God type up), makes me soooo happy yeahh

its just simple, worship the one individual who created u.

i used your explain analogy to flaw you and u know it

you cant create a worthy response thats why u say i am making it up. But no u christians have made up notion of trinity, when the Israelites only worshipped the God of Abraham

My My

Let me ask you this
since sango, ogun, osun are gods yeahh

Are Sango, ogun, osun of "God"(supreme being that controls d whole universe) type? if u say i am making God type up.

ibtz:


Lol, now u know i am correct and i have caught u dats why u said i made God type up.

Oga u av been flawed, but i know u wont admit it. hahahahaha

And u know its true (from your response of me making God type up), makes me soooo happy yeahh

its just simple, worship the one individual who created u.

i used your explain analogy to flaw you and u know it

you cant create a worthy response thats why u say i am making it up. But no u christians have made up notion of trinity, when the Israelites only worshipped the God of Abraham

My My

Let me ask you this
since sango, ogun, osun are gods yeahh

Are Sango, ogun, osun of "God"(supreme being that controls d whole universe) type? if u say i am making God type up.

ibtz:

Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God ("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God
(still a supreme being that has power over everything). 3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.
3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

Did you fall your head as a baby?
There are no 3 types of God. There is only one God who reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons.

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Did you fall your head as a baby?
There are no 3 types of God. There is only one God who reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons.

No i did not fall my head lol.

U are d one claiming trinity now, not me. If One God reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons, then God appears as his own son ba meaning God is his own son.

U people are one confused lot

God is his own son.

just accept d truth but noo u cant.
Bruhhhhh. lol

ibtz:


No i did not fall my head lol.

U are d one claiming trinity now, not me. If One God reveals Himself in 3 distinct forms/persons, then God appears as his own son ba meaning God is his own son.

U people are one confused lot

God is his own son.

just accept d truth but noo u cant.
Bruhhhhh. lol

You are the confused one here. Sonship of Jesus as mentioned in the bible is different from what we normally think. The Jews who accused him of blasphemy, stoned and later tortured and crucified him understood exactly what claim of Jesus' sonship meant. They know it is not in the same way we are called sons/children of God.

9inches:

You are the confused one here. Sonship of Jesus as mentioned in the bible is different from what we normally think. The Jews who accused him of blasphemy, stoned and later tortured and crucified him understood exactly what claim of Jesus' sonship meant. They know it is not in the same way we are called sons/children of God.

ouuu, i think d narrative is changing




Now wat is jesus sonship as different to what think we in the bible?

pls explain

ibtz:


ouuu, i think d narrative is changing




Now wat is jesus sonship as different to what think we in the bible?

pls explain

Read John 10:22-42 you will get the whole scope.

For short: (John 10:30-33) "I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"

9inches:


Read John 10:22-42 you will get the whole scope.

For short: (John 10:30-33) "I and the Father are one." 31The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. 32Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" 33The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God,"

Then,from this above bible verses, u r discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms, from concluding verses

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John:10:35



From 10:34 is it not written in your law , I said ye are gods?

From d above, can we say jesus was talking about the jews being gods literally, noo, but he was talking metaphorically (god:metaphor A person in a high position of authority or a person highly revered) and hence his response in a metaphorical manner means his first assertion " i and the father are one". was also metaphorical. meaning(i and the father are united).if he meant him and d father are one as a single entity, he wouldn't have said what he said in 10:34.

if i say, white and black people are One, or husband and wife joined as one. what do i mean? do i mean they are a single entity, noo meaning they are united metaphorically.
Hence your Bible is contradicting u and discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms.

Think about dis, if jesus said "hear o israel, OUR lord OUR God is One". from d statement " OUR" meaning We, Us (jesus identifying as a man here). OUR Lord God is One meaning (we/us Men,human beings) our lord is one.

Which brings us back to this.

ibtz:

Its obvious u r not Sound at all at all.

Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

U see why i said u r not sound logically ba?

Still you refuse to acknowledge the truth

ibtz:


Then,from this above bible verses, u r discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms, from concluding verses

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
John:10:35



From 10:34 is it not written in your law , I said ye are gods?

From d above, can we say jesus was talking about the jews being gods literally, noo, but he was talking metaphorically (god:metaphor A person in a high position of authority or a person highly revered) and hence his response in a metaphorical manner means his first assertion " i and the father are one". was also metaphorical. meaning(i and the father are united).if he meant him and d father are one as a single entity, he wouldn't have said what he said in 10:34.

if i say, white and black people are One, or husband and wife joined as one. what do i mean? do i mean they are a single entity, noo meaning they are united metaphorically.
Hence your Bible is contradicting u and discrediting your claim that God appears in 3 forms.

Think about dis, if jesus said "hear o israel, OUR lord OUR God is One". from d statement " OUR" meaning We, Us (jesus identifying as a man here). OUR Lord God is One meaning (we/us Men,human beings) our lord is one.

Which brings us back to this.





Still you refuse to acknowledge the truth

Is God and god thesame? Why did the jews stone him?

9inches:

Is God and god thesame? Why did the jews stone him?

No they r not d same, dis d literal meaning of god

 (deity. A supernatural, typically immortal being with superior powers. A male deity)

they did so because they thought he was claiming to be God, but he refuted by saying "Is it not in your law i said ye are gods" and they were also used to rejecting and trying to kill their prophets as evident in d following verses;
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.(they knew of d coming of Christ as a prophet)
John:10:24

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John:10:25

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John:10:26


And also d example of wat happened to John.

ibtz:


No they r not d same, dis d literal meaning of god

 (deity. A supernatural, typically immortal being with superior powers. A male deity)

they did so because they thought he was claiming to be God, but he refuted by saying "Is it not in your law i said ye are gods" and they were also used to rejecting and trying to kill their prophets as evident in d following verses;
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.(they knew of d coming of Christ as a prophet)
John:10:24

Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
John:10:25

But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John:10:26


And also d example of wat happened to John.

The knew about the Messiah (not prophet) who was to come. They failed to recognize Jesus was the messiah.

(John 10:24-31) The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[b]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

He was not denying or refuting anything? Infact, it became clearer to the Jews what He was claiming himself to be. That's why they stoned him.

9inches:

The knew about the Messiah (not prophet) who was to come. They failed to recognize Jesus was the messiah.

(John 10:24-31) The Jews who were there gathered around him, saying, “How long will you keep us in suspense? If you are the Messiah, tell us plainly.”

25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[b]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

He was not denying or refuting anything? Infact, it became clearer to the Jews what He was claiming himself to be. That's why they stoned him.

So wat did d jews know d coming of a messiah if not as a prophet, because it is in Jewish law dat dere is no oda God but God and its blasphemy to claim that God has a biological son. And jesus even said in the bible about law.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17.
So if it was jewish law, dat it was blasphemous to claim anoda God against the God of Abraham, then jesus said it himself from d above verse, he has not come to destroy the law but to what? fulfill it.

Please note, he refuted them by sayin 10:34 because if he wasn't, he wouldn't have claimed dat dey were also gods in d law metaphorically, if jesus said "is it not in d law that ye are gods", did he mean dat God's law was blasphemous too ehnn (Answer that).

if he refuted them by saying "is it not in your law i say ye are gods" they wouldnt need to stone him, but they refused and rejected him altogether for his claim to be the Messiah/christ, not d claim as the Son of God as evident in dis verse.
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Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24




If u claim jesus called himself Son of God literally, then why do u have contradictions like "Hear o Israel, Our Lord Our God is One". plus many oda contradictions too.




One case u r claiming One God appears in three forms(meaning father is his own son), in another case u r saying father, son, holy spirit are merged into one entity

Mehn which are we to believe
Confused brethren

ibtz:


So wat did d jews know d coming of a messiah if not as a prophet, because it is in Jewish law dat dere is no oda God but God and its blasphemy to claim that God has a biological son. And jesus even said in the bible about law.
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17.
So if it was jewish law, dat it was blasphemous to claim anoda God against the God of Abraham, then jesus said it himself from d above verse, he has not come to destroy the law but to what? fulfill it.

Please note, he refuted them by sayin 10:34 because if he wasn't, he wouldn't have claimed dat dey were also gods in d law metaphorically, if jesus said "is it not in d law that ye are gods", did he mean dat God's law was blasphemous too ehnn (Answer that).

if he refuted them by saying "is it not in your law i say ye are gods" they wouldnt need to stone him, but they refused and rejected him altogether for his claim to be the Messiah/christ, not d claim as the Son of God as evident in dis verse.
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Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24

If u claim jesus called himself Son of God literally, then why do u have contradictions like "Hear o Israel, Our Lord Our God is One". plus many oda contradictions too.

Jesus' claim that He is same with the Father does not contradict the oneness of God.

Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men (men of authority and prestige) as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to mere men (as described above). If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)?

Read Verse 34-42 again.The jews understood what he was claiming to be and stoned him and wanted to seize him.

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Jesus' claim that He is same with the Father does not contradict the oneness of God.

Now, let’s look at how Jesus uses this passage. Jesus had just claimed to be the Son of God (John 10:25-30). The unbelieving Jews respond by charging Jesus with blasphemy, since He claimed to be God (verse 33). Jesus then quotes Psalm 82:6, reminding the Jews that the Law refers to mere men (men of authority and prestige) as “gods.” Jesus’ point is this: you charge me with blasphemy based on my use of the title “Son of God”; yet your own Scriptures apply the same term to mere men (as described above). If those who hold a divinely appointed office can be considered “gods,” how much more can the One whom God has chosen and sent (verses 34-36)?

Read Verse 34-42 again.The jews understood what he was claiming to be and stoned him and wanted to seize him.

d scripture applies the same term metaphorically. how is dis hard.
because if it calls mere men gods literally then d scripture in itself blasphemes. because if God destroyed nations for worshipping other gods than Him, then calls mere men "gods" literally, dat is double standards mehnnn. Dat means dat jesus was also accusing the scripture(God's words) of being blasphemous.
i fail to see y u dont understand that

ibtz:


d scripture applies the same term metaphorically. how is dis hard.
because if it calls mere men gods literally then d scripture in itself blasphemes. because if God destroyed nations for worshipping other gods than Him, then calls mere men "gods" literally, dat is double standards mehnnn. Dat means dat jesus was also accusing the scripture(God's words) of being blasphemous.
i fail to see y u dont understand that

Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.

This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is rare, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority.

9inches:


Let’s start with a look at Psalm 82, the psalm that Jesus quotes in John 10:34. The Hebrew word translated “gods” in Psalm 82:6 is Elohim. It usually refers to the one true God, but it does have other uses. Psalm 82:1 says, “God presides in the great assembly; he gives judgment among the gods.” It is clear from the next three verses that the word “gods” refers to magistrates, judges, and other people who hold positions of authority and rule. Calling a human magistrate a “god” indicates three things: 1) he has authority over other human beings, 2) the power he wields as a civil authority is to be feared, and 3) he derives his power and authority from God Himself, who is pictured as judging the whole earth in verse 8.

This use of the word “gods” to refer to humans is rare, but it is found elsewhere in the Old Testament. For example, when God sent Moses to Pharaoh, He said, “See, I have made you like God to Pharaoh” (Exodus 7:1). This simply means that Moses, as the messenger of God, was speaking God’s words and would therefore be God’s representative to the king. The Hebrew word Elohim is translated “judges” in Exodus 21:6 and 22:8, 9, and 28.

The whole point of Psalm 82 is that earthly judges must act with impartiality and true justice, because even judges must stand someday before the Judge. Verses 6 and 7 warn human magistrates that they, too, must be judged: “I said, `You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.' But you will die like mere men; you will fall like every other ruler.” This passage is saying that God has appointed men to positions of authority in which they are considered as gods among the people. They are to remember that, even though they are representing God in this world, they are mortal and must eventually give an account to God for how they used that authority.

Exactly my point, gods mean Judges, rulers metaphorically, then jesus assertion that i and the father are one is purely metaphorical.

simple as abc

ibtz:


Exactly my point, gods mean Judges, rulers metaphorically, then jesus assertion that i and the father are one is purely metaphorical.

simple as abc

No, "I and the Father are one" and "Before Abraham I Am" statements are not metaphors. They are huge claims. The Jews understood what he said, not you that came by 2000 years later nor muhammad who came 600 years later.

9inches:

No, "I and the Father are one" and "Before Abraham I Am" statements are not metaphors. They are huge claims. The Jews understood what he said, not you that is came by 2000 years later nor muhammad who came 600 years later.

so its now also u dat came 2000 years later dat knows best

which still brings us to this contradiction yet again!!!

"Hear o israel, Our Lord Our God is One". which by the way is not a metaphor and is a huge claim!!!

ibtz:


so its now also u dat came 2000 years later dat knows best

which still brings us to this contradiction yet again!!!

"Hear o israel, Our Lord Our God is One". which by the way is not a metaphor and is a huge claim!!!

Sure, our Lord our God is one. And Jesus claims to be one with that One God.

This following statement is not mine.

“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

9inches:


Sure, our Lord our God is one. And Jesus claims to be one with that One God.

This following statement is not mine.

“We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

1. Your first statement brings me back to this yet again

ibtz:



Look at dis.

3 distinct keys of a key A(meaning of a type of key) , means u have 3 keys of type A in your hand not one type A key, 3 type A keys. if 3 distinct type A keys explains the "A" type key(meaning those 3 keys have some or all attributes of A type) it doesn't matter, as far u have 3 keys, those 3 keys dont metamorphose into one, its still 3 distinct A type keys, there is not one but 3 type A keys. Hence d same thing with trinity 3 distinct gods of type God("God" meaning of a supreme being that has control over the whole universe ) still is 3 gods in your hand of type God(still a supreme being that has power over everything).3keys of type A key is 3 A keys. so 3 gods of type "God" is what oga 3 Gods.

3 God types is 3 Gods not one. simple as abc.

2. And jesus refuted them by saying (jesus answered them)

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

meaning, if i call myself son of god in literal terms, which indeed i know to be a blasphemy in the law, "the law also calls you gods". although we know that to be in metaphorical terms. So i call myself son of god in metaphorical term because i also said i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets, i have come to fulfill them.

And the following statement is not mine;
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17

Shikeena, very straight forward !!!!

if u say dat jesus was talking literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right .

i believe d following are not my words


Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

ibtz:


1. Your first statement brings me back to this yet again



2. And jesus refuted them by saying (jesus answered them)

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

meaning, if i call myself son of god in literal terms, which indeed i know to be a blasphemy in the law, "the law also calls you gods". although we know that to be in metaphorical terms. So i call myself son of god in metaphorical term because i also said i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets, i have come to fulfill them.

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
Matthew:5:17

Shikeena, very straight forward !!!!

First off, your "key" analogy doesn't fit. It's different from my analogy of trinity.

Jesus by his "ye are gods" statement was evidently trying to disarm them and to set them up for a bigger argument. Although he has just shown that all of Israel can be called 'gods', God the Father had consecrated him and sent him into the world, so he must be worthy of the title 'god' in an even greater sense (Son of God).

That said, the bottomline is they understood he was making a clear claim. It would not have been an issue if he had said he's the same "god" like the rest of them. They fully understood he was taking it too far.

“We are not stoning you for any good work... but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man (god, like them), claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

9inches:


First off, your "key" analogy doesn't fit. It's different from my analogy of trinity.

Jesus by his "ye are gods" statement was evidently trying to disarm them and to set them up for a bigger argument. Although he has just shown that all of Israel can be called 'gods', God the Father had consecrated him and sent him into the world, so he must be worthy of the title 'god' in an even greater sense (Son of God).

That said, the bottomline is they understood he was making a clear claim. It would not have been an issue if he had said he's the same "god" like the rest of them. They fully understood he was taking it too far.

“We are not stoning you for any good work... but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man (god, like them), claim to be God.” (John 10:33)

O my key analogy fits perfectly and you know it!!!

For what big argument pls if not for the argument of "i am god" and "ye are gods"

No, they misunderstood him, thats why he said,
john 10:34 "is it not in your law, i said ye are gods"(mind u dis is d next verse afta 10:33).
meaning, dont misunderstand me, its in your law that ye are gods metaphorically and i am only claiming Son of God metaphorically, because i know d law and i know its blasphemy to claim other gods with God. Thats y i said "i have not come to destroy/change the law or the prophets, i have only come to fulfill them" and i also said "Hear o Israel, OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"

And still is it right to claim Jesus statement of "i and the father are one" literally when u have other verses like this that are not taken literally when it is jewish custom, that anybody close to God spiritually is called Son of God not in literal terms:

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.(Adam called son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

ibtz:


O my key analogy fits perfectly and you know it!!!

For what big argument pls if not for the argument of "i am god" and "ye are gods"

No, they misunderstood him, thats why he said,
john 10:34 "is it not in your law, i said ye are gods"(mind u dis is d next verse afta 10:33).
meaning, dont misunderstand me, its in your law that ye are gods metaphorically and i am only claiming Son of God metaphorically, because i know d law and i know its blasphemy to claim other gods with God. Thats y i said "i have not come to destroy/change the law or the prophets, i have only come to fulfill them" and i also said "Hear o Israel, OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"

And still is it right to claim Jesus statement of "i and the father are one" literally when u have other verses like this that are not taken literally when it is jewish custom, that anybody close to God spiritually is called Son of God not in literal terms:

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.(Adam called son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

Are you the one explaining the trinity to me? Your analogy simply doesn't fit to my explanation.

So you mean the Jews do not understand their bible then?
Can you explain this:
Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

9inches:


Are you the one explaining the trinity to me? Your analogy simply doesn't fit to my explanation.

So you mean the Jews do not understand their bible then?
Can you explain this:
Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him.

Lol, because u know its true and u have rejected it
it doesn't fit because it challenges trinity clearly and perfectly


Its a very simple read, before those verses, u have dis
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24

Meaning, he has told them he was Christ but they did not believe, but when he said " i and my father are one, they picked stones to stone him

And verses continua

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John:10:32

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

from this you can see that d Israelites sought to stone him for blasphemy but he refuted by answering
them is it not in your law that ye are gods. Meaning why do u say i blaspheme when its in your law that ye are gods(metaphorically), if its there metaphorically, i have the right to state that I and the father are one metaphorically because i cannot contradict myself by saying "i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets but i have come to FULFILL it(Matthew 5:17) and also saying "Hear O israel OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"(Mark12:29).

i do not see where the jews do not understand their own Bible from here.


PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS BELOW FOR THE THIRD TIME


if u say dat jesus was talking in literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right

i believe d following are not my words. this below are other contradictions of jesus being the son of God.

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

ibtz:


Lol, because u know its true and u have rejected it
it doesn't fit because it challenges trinity clearly and perfectly


Its a very simple read, before those verses, u have dis
Then came the Jews round about him, and said unto him, How long dost thou make us to doubt? If thou be the Christ, tell us plainly.
John:10:24

Meaning, he has told them he was Christ but they did not believe, but when he said " i and my father are one, they picked stones to stone him

And verses continua

Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
John:10:32

The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
John:10:33

Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?
John:10:34

from this you can see that d Israelites sought to stone him for blasphemy but he refuted by answering
them is it not in your law that ye are gods. Meaning why do u say i blaspheme when its in your law that ye are gods(metaphorically), if its there metaphorically, i have the right to state that I and the father are one metaphorically because i cannot contradict myself by saying "i have not come to abolish/change the law or the prophets but i have come to FULFILL it(Matthew 5:17) and also saying "Hear O israel OUR LORD OUR GOD IS ONE"(Mark12:29).

i do not see where the jews do not understand their own Bible from here.


PLEASE DO NOT IGNORE THIS BELOW FOR THE THIRD TIME


if u say dat jesus was talking in literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right

i believe d following are not my words. this below are other contradictions of jesus being the son of God.

Sons of God

When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

According to you, they misconstrued his statement and was about stoning him. Then he refuted them to save himself by using metaphors. And when he was done, they still tried to arrest him for same thing he refuted?

Did you say you did not fall on your head as a baby?

9inches:

According to you, they misconstrued his statement and was about stoning him. Then he refuted them to save himself by using metaphors. And when he was done, they still tried to arrest him for same thing he refuted?

Did you say you did not fall on your head as a baby?

Yet again for the third time, you ignored what i said u should not ignore. i would write it first. Dont ignore it again u hear

1.
if u say dat jesus was talking literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right.

i believe d following are not my words

Sons of God
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

2. it is clear he refuted them, but they did not believe what he said anyway, likewise they did not believe in him as Christ, its doubting him altogether. They were just looking for excuse to hammer him as they did to their previous prophets for calling them out. (criticizing them). They had a knack for disbelieving and rejecting their prophets. As evident in this verse,

There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
John:10:19

And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
John:10:20


And pls do not ignore what i posted as no 1

ibtz:


Yet again for the third time, you ignored what i said u should not ignore. i would write it first. Dont ignore it again u hear

1.
if u say dat jesus was talking literally terms dat he was biological son of God, then we have to take other claims of Son of God in literal terms too, no exception right.

i believe d following are not my words

Sons of God
When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Job:38:7

Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.( Here Adam is called Son of God)
Luke:3:38

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
Romans: 8:14

2. it is clear he refuted them, but they did not believe what he said anyway, likewise they did not believe in him as Christ, its doubting him altogether. They were just looking for excuse to hammer him as they did to their previous prophets for calling them out. (criticizing them). They had a knack for disbelieving and rejecting their prophets. As evident in this verse,

There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
John:10:19

And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
John:10:20


And pls do not ignore what i posted as no 1

If your mother calls me "my son", would that imply you and I are in the same right her biological sons?

The important point to emphasize is that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by an eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad. Let's see how your own belief holds up.

9inches:

If your mother calls me "my son", would that imply you and I are in the same right her biological sons?

The important point to emphasize is that Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by an eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad. Let's see how your own belief holds up.

Exactly!!!! by your analogy, if everybody who are called sons of God are held in metaphorical terms, then why must jesus own be held in its literal terms even though there are contradictions like

("Hear O israel, Our Lord Our God is one" ,

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew:19:17 ,

"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John:17:3.)

counteracting those sayings for it to be taken in literal terms!!! Shikeena mehn

ibtz:


Exactly!!!! by your analogy, if everybody who are called sons of God are held in metaphorical terms, then why must jesus own be held in its literal terms even though there are contradictions like ("Hear O israel, Our Lord Our God is one" , "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew:19:17 ,
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John:17:3.) counteracting those sayings for it to be taken in literal terms!!! Shikeena mehn

The difference is here:

Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad.

9inches:


The difference is here:

Jesus Christ is the only-begotten (only-born) son of God the Father, by eternal generation. On the other hand, Christians are sons of God by regeneration, i.e. by being born again.

Now tell me about your allah and muhammad. Let's see how your own belief holds up.

And still

ibtz:


Exactly!!!! by your analogy, if everybody who are called sons of God are held in metaphorical terms, then why must jesus own be held in its literal terms even though there are contradictions like ("Hear O israel, Our Lord Our God is one" , "And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but ONE that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments."
Matthew:19:17 ,
"And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent."
John:17:3.) counteracting those sayings for it to be taken in literal terms!!! Shikeena mehn

let me refresh your memory

i believe i once said this

ibtz:



So there is only One God, the God of Abraham (Abraham being the father of Ishmael and Isaac) that created you and I, dat feeds u, clothes u etc. He is d only one worthy of worship.
The Jews call him elloh, d arabs call him Allah, Yorubas call him eledumare, latinos call him dios.

Hebrew and Arabic are quite similar in some respect because dey are semitic languages.

an arab says peace be unto you as Salam Aleikum, a jew says peace unto you as Shalom Aleichim.

Our Lord Our God is One ( i didnt say dat but Jesus did).
we muslims believe dat Jesus was born of a virgin mother and sent as a Prophet to the jews to set them straight. He was given the injeel, likewise moses being given torah and david was given zabur.

But still, i know u wud discard dis, afraid of change. but think deeply and u will know dat The God who created you is The Only One worthy of worship.

Salam Aleikum.

Salam