EgunMogaji:
I'm getting serious about doing my kitchen and I need intelligent guidance on how to price the work.

Is it priced per square feet or it's a free for all price scheme whereby an artisan can demand anything they feel like?

Thanks in advance.

Why go further to ask when Skimanski is but an arms reach. I am sure he has a reliable artisan to handle such work.

For me, its a matter of choice, the needs of everyone cannot be same, I have had requests of higher headroom from different clients because of different reasons, while it will be cumbersome to hold an argument with all as concerns what we consider the standard, we should remember that at the end, its the owners who will live in these houses. Many a building design will specify 3 meters as the room height, and I don't see anything wrong there as most ceiling works and short chandeliers can be hung without any problems.

But then the choice of a shorter headroom of say 2.7 meters or slightly less is not too bad if the client is made aware of what he is going for.

Attached picture shows a man of about 6ft stretching his hand up on a ceiling of 3 meters.

EgunMogaji:
I'm getting serious about doing my kitchen and I need intelligent guidance on how to price the work.

Is it priced per square feet or it's a free for all price scheme whereby an artisan can demand anything they feel like?

Thanks in advance.

Baba, drop 7 milla for the boys them to give you a replica of Buhari kitchen

Seriously, you have to spell out all you want to in the kitchen, material and sizes, with finish well agreed, then listen to quotes. Yes, square feet and meters apply too, but make sure the style is first defined, so they don't sell you a Volkswagen at the price of a Ferrari

spyder880:


Baba, drop 7 milla for the boys them to give you a replica of Buhari kitchen

Seriously, you have to spell out all you want to in the kitchen, material and sizes, with finish well agreed, then listen to quotes. Yes, square feet and meters apply too, but make sure the style is first defined, so they don't sell you a Volkswagen at the price of a Ferrari

Buhari is a 70? year old man, I'm sure we have different taste

Any ideas on materials that I should consider? I'm not sure what's available at home.

Thanks Sir.

spyder880:
For me, its a matter of choice, the needs of everyone cannot be same, I have had requests of higher headroom from different clients because of different reasons, while it will be cumbersome to hold an argument with all as concerns what we consider the standard, we should remember that at the end, its the owners who will live in these houses. Many a building design will specify 3 meters as the room height, and I don't see anything wrong there as most ceiling works and short chandeliers can be hung without any problems.

But then the choice of a shorter headroom of say 2.7 meters or slightly less is not too bad if the client is made aware of what he is going for.

Attached picture shows a man of about 6ft stretching his hand up on a ceiling of 3 meters.

I like your style. I am sure this listening to clients is why you are in such demand.

No one likes an overbearing person onsite.

And just like spyder have mentioned concerning what you need for use in your kitchen you can kindly say what exactly you want so you don't get an over bearing fellow pushing up his own on yours.


More so kindly mention what kind of materials are out there for use in the USA and most probably they can be sought out for at home.

Kitchen

EgunMogaji:


Buhari is a 70? year old man, I'm sure we have different taste

Any ideas on materials that I should consider? I'm not sure what's available at home.

Thanks Sir.

1.) Spell out the 'essentials' of your kitchen - Number of drawers, Cupboards, type of wood for the doors, horizontal and vertical dividers, type of Table-top (Granite or composite-laminate), number and location pigeon holes, center table-top where u can 'cut' Madam just for variety, e.t.c

2.) Decide whether you want to give it out as 'Contract' (all inclusive) or you want to buy materials and pay for workmanship only.

3.) If it is the former, the average per flat/standard kitchen is in the range of #250,000+/-
You simply have to pay good attention when you follow this route because the Contractor/Furniture maker may easily shortchange you by using cheaper Boards for you (e.g, using MDF where he should be using HDF Boards. The former should not be used any where near the Kitchen sink or wet areas or areas that may witness any form of damp. something you cant avoid in the kitchen.

4.) If you chose the latter, you must be ready to go to the market and buy the boards yourself.
The inherent advantage in this is that you know every `Board that goes into your kitchenis hand selected by you.
Possible areas of advantages are:
-You wont buy 'stuffing board' but buy real plywood boards, when buying the HDF/MDF
-You wont buy fake Boards! yes, HDF and MDF do come in fakes.
- You wont over-buy boards as you can do a little maths to estimate what you will need
-Whatever Boards are left over, can be used to design Drawers for your Elelctronics.

Average workmanship for eacj kitchen is in the range of #45K - #70K, depending on the complexity of your design.
You will need the following items:
-HDF Boards (coloured and designed/patterned) for Doors which are usually cut into 16" but may vary
- 3/4" HDF or Marine Plywood (strength & cost savings) for Frames only and back-panels. #12,500 (HDF) #6,300 (Marine) on average
- 3/4" MDF for Dividers (matching colours) but avoid areas close to the sink - 6,500 on average
- Table Tops: Can be in Marble or that laminated Pressed, Board chippings. The latter l have found to be very adequate and long lasting. It ia about #18K for an 8ft length, Dont know how much the Marble is sold now.
- Handles to be bought in Packs from #400 to #800 depending on size (Wardrobes usually use longer sizes) and beauty
- Hinges; They come in soft-close (
- 18" Runners for the Drawers - about #600 per pair
- Adjustable legs - about #700 per pack
- Angle brackets to tie/hold the Board together - about #1200 - 1300 per pack
- Screws - 3/4", 1&1/4" and 2" screws. You will mostly be using the 3/4 and 2" screws. #1000 - #1200 per Pack (buy like 2packs per kitchen)
- Edge Taping Formicas. 3/4" and 1" sizes @#4,500 - #5,000 per Roll
- Gum (Abro/ Evo Stick) - #4,500 - #5,000 per Gallon (One is enough)

You can cut the Boards to required sizes at the market place if you (or the workman have figured it out initially before going to buy Boards) know the lengths. This gives more precise cuts than the Workman doing it himself though, it adds to the cost. At about #400/Board.

Add Transport.
Be around to supervise, to ensure they do exactly as you want; being a DIY, l know that is going to be a piece of cake for you.

If l remember any other thing, l will add later.

***Cost the Wardrobe and Kirchen furniture together, this will save cost as you buy the needed items at once and may get a bargain in negotiating workmanship.
Beware of "head-cutters", one of them asked me to pay almost a Million Naira/Kitchen, for each flat and l asked him to take a walk.

Caveat: These are Lagos prices and prices may differ in other places or according to individual bargaining strength or the mood of Nigerian marketers.

Daboomb:


1.) Spell out the 'essentials' of your kitchen - Number of drawers, Cupboards, type of wood for the doors, horizontal and vertical dividers, type of Table-top (Granite or composite-laminate), number and location pigeon holes, center table-top where u can 'cut' Madam just for variety, e.t.c

2.) Decide whether you want to give it out as 'Contract' (all inclusive) or you want to buy materials and pay for workmanship only.

3.) If it is the former, the average per flat/standard kitchen is in the range of #250,000+/-
You simply have to pay good attention when you follow this route because the Contractor/Furniture maker may easily shortchange you by using cheaper Boards for you (e.g, using MDF where he should be using HDF Boards. The former should not be used any where near the Kitchen sink or wet areas or areas that may witness any form of damp. something you cant avoid in the kitchen.

4.) If you chose the latter, you must be ready to go to the market and buy the boards yourself.
The inherent advantage in this is that you know every `Board that goes into your kitchenis hand selected by you.
Possible areas of advantages are:
-You wont buy 'stuffing board' but buy real plywood boards, when buying the HDF/MDF
-You wont buy fake Boards! yes, HDF and MDF do come in fakes.
- You wont over-buy boards as you can do a little maths to estimate what you will need
-Whatever Boards are left over, can be used to design Drawers for your Elelctronics.

Average workmanship for eacj kitchen is in the range of #45K - #70K, depending on the complexity of your design.
You will need the following items:
-HDF Boards (coloured and designed/patterned) for Doors which are usually cut into 16" but may vary
- 3/4" HDF or Marine Plywood (strength & cost savings) for Frames only and back-panels. #12,500 (HDF) #6,300 (Marine) on average
- 3/4" MDF for Dividers (matching colours) but avoid areas close to the sink - 6,500 on average
- Table Tops: Can be in Marble or that laminated Pressed, Board chippings. The latter l have found to be very adequate and long lasting. It ia about #18K for an 8ft length, Dont know how much the Marble is sold now.
- Handles to be bought in Packs from #400 to #800 depending on size (Wardrobes usually use longer sizes) and beauty
- Hinges; They come in soft-close (
- 18" Runners for the Drawers - about #600 per pair
- Adjustable legs - about #700 per pack
- Angle brackets to tie/hold the Board together - about #1200 - 1300 per pack
- Screws - 3/4", 1&1/4" and 2" screws. You will mostly be using the 3/4 and 2" screws. #1000 - #1200 per Pack (buy like 2packs per kitchen)
- Edge Taping Formicas. 3/4" and 1" sizes @#4,500 - #5,000 per Roll
- Gum (Abro/ Evo Stick) - #4,500 - #5,000 per Gallon (One is enough)

You can cut the Boards to required sizes at the market place if you (or the workman have figured it out initially before going to buy Boards) know the lengths. This gives more precise cuts than the Workman doing it himself though, it adds to the cost. At about #400/Board.

Add Transport.
Be around to supervise, to ensure they do exactly as you want; being a DIY, l know that is going to be a piece of cake for you.

If l remember any other thing, l will add later.

***Cost the Wardrobe and Kirchen furniture together, this will save cost as you buy the needed items at once and may get a bargain in negotiating workmanship.
Beware of "head-cutters", one of them asked me to pay almost a Million Naira/Kitchen, for each flat and l asked him to take a walk.

Caveat: These are Lagos prices and prices may differ in other places or according to individual bargaining strength or the mood of Nigerian marketers.

Thank you.

I'm thinking of doing this remote but I might have to wait till I'm on the ground.

I appreciate all the details that you shared.

Sharing some pictures.

I love all the buildings in picture #1, the curved roof on the left looks superb. This is what I wanted on the padlock garage

Picture two shows a courtyard. I'm simply elated to see other courtyards in Nigeria.

I love how they maximised the space in this bedroom. 6 beds plus storage. Awesome.

Eleltricians/Engineers in the house, l have my own Kwesion:

- Would you accept a 3-phase prepaid meter, in place of the Single phase you paid for, if PHCN decided to offer such at no extra cost to you?

- Are there disadvantages to using a Three phase meter for a residential building on a per Flat basis?

- Would some appliances refuse to run on 3-Phase Meter, when such runs well on Single phase? (I am looking at it form the frequency 50-60Hz for Single phase and 120Hz for 3-phase) or would there be problems down the line?

- Is the the Tariff (CURRENTLY) the same on a Single phase and Three phase meter (Nepa man told me they are same tariff to the customer! How true is this info?)

Thanks for you informed Opinion on those 4 questions.

EgunMogaji:


Thank you.

I'm thinking of doing this remote but I might have to wait till I'm on the ground.

I appreciate all the details that you shared.

My pleasure.

You cant do remote with the "workmanship alone" deal, you have to be on ground for that except you have a trusted hand who will be your eyes and ears.

The remote might work with completely contracting it out but you will have to be very, very specific on your design so that the workman does not do his own bidding or get confused intentionally or otherwise.

oyb:


You cannot bypass the architect on major projects. The architect is usually the project manager. You can easily bypass the QS. I do not need a QS to prepare boqs. You can lift or export bom information from Electrical, civil, mechanical etc drawings.

If I can prepare a competent and comprehensive boq without a QS, and I can log and measure all work done with a clerk of works or resident engineer, what value is engaging a QS adding to me?

I'm sorry but your comments show that you have very very very limited knowledge of what the QS does. You believe all QS does is preparing BOQs and measuring work on site.
Well...that's the lowest level of what QS can do & perhaps what is widely believed on Nairaland.
Try using Google for just about 1 hour to search for professional services of the QS...you'll discover QS services not just in the pure construction industry but in the banking sector, construction finance sector, insurance sector, power infrastructure sector, Public-Private partnership sector, etc.
I have a colleague working in Expense Control department at the head office of 1 of the top 3 banks in this country...what has preparing BOQs & measuring work on site got to do with Expense Control, I ask you?

Bros...this is 2017...use Google at least and expand your knowledge horizon!

oyb:


if the client has deep pockets, he can push for a QS so that the contractor can be monitored and material use tracked.

there's this story about one of these big projects [mulistorey office building] where the contractors tried to bribe the QS with millions in cash to effect some clause or arcane method of measurement. this would have netted the contractor hundreds of millions. the QS no gree.

in very large projects you may require core specialists, but software is blurring the lines. in the past you had drafters , secretaries and engineers, today engineers do design , drawing and reports themselves. everyone is adapting to becoming generalists, rather than specialists - even our friend who does architect, QS, builder and contractor

Like I have said before...try using Google to find out all professional services provided by QS and come back and tell us how many of them asides BOQ preparation can be done with BIM or any other software??

We are waiting sir!!!

bixton:


You made it your your to put off an entire profession. I think those who it is theirs should as well in turn know what exactly is yours.

Now if your company had a QS who could not add value to his employer, does that mean all QS don't add value to the system?

If one happen to get the services of an Architect whose designs are entirely criticised and modified by a Civil Engineer and vice versa in certain instances it has happened does that mean both professions don't add value to the system.

For the QS not to add value is an option you make and not that the QS is a dead profession.

Do you think in organised settings an Architect or Civil Engineer can actually submit a BOM without getting the services of a QS?

If anyone happens to get the services of an artisan who does all of the above perfectly I guess the services of the Architect and Civil Engineer in your company cease to exist?

You nailed it Bro...what more can be said??

People engage quack QS, Architect, etc, pay them some chicken change and expect them to add value like professionals would do? We've seen these incidents over & over again Don't know why people keep forgetting GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out?!

raymondFirstborn:

just had to let MY OGA QS ON THIS
olumide4christ

Bros...I'm not your OGA oooo...we are also learning and also educating others when needs be...wishing you God's best in the profession!

raymondFirstborn:

just had to let MY OGA QS ON THIS
olumide4christ

I've already responded to him and given him an assignment on Google at least on the numerous professional services of the QS and how many of them can be done with BIM or other software, thus rendering the QS profession null and void. We're expecting his report from Google...we'll take it from there if and when he gets back to us on this thread.

It's always a NO-NO to ever make statements when you don't have the facts, most especially when the facts are everywhere on the internet.

It is well!!

olumide4christ:


I'm sorry but your comments show that you have very very very limited knowledge of what the QS does. You believe all QS does is preparing BOQs and measuring work on site.
Well...that's the lowest level of what QS can do & perhaps what is widely believed on Nairaland.
Try using Google for just about 1 hour to search for professional services of the QS...you'll discover QS services not just in the pure construction industry but in the banking sector, construction finance sector, insurance sector, power infrastructure sector, Public-Private partnership sector, etc.
I have a colleague working in Expense Control department at the head office of 1 of the top 3 banks in this country...what has preparing BOQs & measuring work on site got to do with Expense Control, I ask you?

Bros...this is 2017...use Google at least and expand your knowledge horizon!

Accountants also work in expense control. Is he in that role PRECISELY because he is a QS?

I am an electrical engineer by training and I am currently managing projects in my organisation . I know electrical engineers that are senior reservoir engineers in oil companies. I know engineers that are working in banks. The fact that ONE of your friends is in the expense control department of a bank, a role that is far more that construction industry work, does not validate your argument. Is that position a clearly defined career path?

To tell me to use Google is also irrelevant. A lot of high value courses unfortunately have no application in Nigeria. What do QS typically do in Nigeria outside of what I mentioned previously?


I did a look see through your posts and there is a lot there on project management. Is a QS background essential to construction project management?

olumide4christ:



You nailed it Bro...what more can be said??

People engage quack QS, Architect, etc, pay them some chicken change and expect them to add value like professionals would do? We've seen these incidents over & over again Don't know why people keep forgetting GIGO - Garbage In, Garbage Out?!

Instead of blathering about Google, YOU tell me yourself, particularly from a Nigerian perspective.

A google search can make every profession look exciting and viable, and highlight opportunities and paths that are not available here.

All you have done is reiterate what others have said; you need a QS formula an extra factor of safety or ass covering.

I hope you can do better than this. Those looking up to you have been bragging about coded money and the same quackery you just mentioned.

Daboomb:


1.) Spell out the 'essentials' of your kitchen - Number of drawers, Cupboards, type of wood for the doors, horizontal and vertical dividers, type of Table-top (Granite or composite-laminate), number and location pigeon holes, center table-top where u can 'cut' Madam just for variety, e.t.c

2.) Decide whether you want to give it out as 'Contract' (all inclusive) or you want to buy materials and pay for workmanship only.

3.) If it is the former, the average per flat/standard kitchen is in the range of #250,000+/-
You simply have to pay good attention when you follow this route because the Contractor/Furniture maker may easily shortchange you by using cheaper Boards for you (e.g, using MDF where he should be using HDF Boards. The former should not be used any where near the Kitchen sink or wet areas or areas that may witness any form of damp. something you cant avoid in the kitchen.

4.) If you chose the latter, you must be ready to go to the market and buy the boards yourself.
The inherent advantage in this is that you know every `Board that goes into your kitchenis hand selected by you.
Possible areas of advantages are:
-You wont buy 'stuffing board' but buy real plywood boards, when buying the HDF/MDF
-You wont buy fake Boards! yes, HDF and MDF do come in fakes.
- You wont over-buy boards as you can do a little maths to estimate what you will need
-Whatever Boards are left over, can be used to design Drawers for your Elelctronics.

Average workmanship for eacj kitchen is in the range of #45K - #70K, depending on the complexity of your design.
You will need the following items:
-HDF Boards (coloured and designed/patterned) for Doors which are usually cut into 16" but may vary
- 3/4" HDF or Marine Plywood (strength & cost savings) for Frames only and back-panels. #12,500 (HDF) #6,300 (Marine) on average
- 3/4" MDF for Dividers (matching colours) but avoid areas close to the sink - 6,500 on average
- Table Tops: Can be in Marble or that laminated Pressed, Board chippings. The latter l have found to be very adequate and long lasting. It ia about #18K for an 8ft length, Dont know how much the Marble is sold now.
- Handles to be bought in Packs from #400 to #800 depending on size (Wardrobes usually use longer sizes) and beauty
- Hinges; They come in soft-close (
- 18" Runners for the Drawers - about #600 per pair
- Adjustable legs - about #700 per pack
- Angle brackets to tie/hold the Board together - about #1200 - 1300 per pack
- Screws - 3/4", 1&1/4" and 2" screws. You will mostly be using the 3/4 and 2" screws. #1000 - #1200 per Pack (buy like 2packs per kitchen)
- Edge Taping Formicas. 3/4" and 1" sizes @#4,500 - #5,000 per Roll
- Gum (Abro/ Evo Stick) - #4,500 - #5,000 per Gallon (One is enough)

You can cut the Boards to required sizes at the market place if you (or the workman have figured it out initially before going to buy Boards) know the lengths. This gives more precise cuts than the Workman doing it himself though, it adds to the cost. At about #400/Board.

Add Transport.
Be around to supervise, to ensure they do exactly as you want; being a DIY, l know that is going to be a piece of cake for you.

If l remember any other thing, l will add later.

***Cost the Wardrobe and Kirchen furniture together, this will save cost as you buy the needed items at once and may get a bargain in negotiating workmanship.
Beware of "head-cutters", one of them asked me to pay almost a Million Naira/Kitchen, for each flat and l asked him to take a walk.

Caveat: These are Lagos prices and prices may differ in other places or according to individual bargaining strength or the mood of Nigerian marketers.

Hoping to do this as DIY but have some questions.

1. Is the Gum only for edge taping?
2. What is the cost of the hinges and quantity? Is it per pack or sold each.
3. How many per pack of handles, angle brackets and adjustable legs.

Your idea of cutting at the market makes good sense. That reduces the tools to electric drill and accessories.

skimanski:
Why do a lot of people stick to 9coach of block as Lintel Level?

Its less Light,
Its aesthetically not too pleasing,
Its not significantly less expensive.

Please if Anybody has any reason why its better please inform so as to guide our Judgement in the future.

Hello Skimanski, what should be the ideal height? I like houses with high head room. It brings out the beauty of POP and ensures free movement of air. I like tall windows. Some people put two blocks after lintel and then the beam, I will wan to use four blocks after the lintel. It gives the building better head room. So what should be the ideal number of blocks from the German floor - 9 or 11

adanny01:


Hoping to do this as DIY but have some questions.

1. Is the Gum only for edge taping? - YES, and there will be a whole lot of Edge taping, to make the work look oustanding!

2. What is the cost of the hinges and quantity? Is it per pack or sold each. - Sold individually @#250 - #300 (soft closing) or in packs

3. How many per pack of handles, angle brackets and adjustable legs.- All Depends on the size and variety in your kitchen (Number Cupboards, Drawers, e.t.c. You can play around and make you rkitchen a real show-peice though the cost will increase as you innovate.

Your idea of cutting at the market makes good sense. That reduces the tools to electric drill and accessories.

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Electricians/Engineers/Experienced people in the house, l have my own Question:

- Would you accept a 3-phase prepaid meter, in place of the Single phase you paid for, if PHCN decided to offer such at no extra cost to you?

- Are there disadvantages to using a Three phase meter for a residential building on a per Flat basis?

- Would some appliances refuse to run on 3-Phase Meter, when such runs well on Single phase? (I am looking at it form the frequency 50-60Hz for Single phase and 120Hz for 3-phase) or would there be problems down the line?

- Is the the Tariff (CURRENTLY) the same on a Single phase and Three phase meter (Nepa man told me they are same tariff to the customer! How true is this info?)

Thanks for you informed Opinion on those 4 questions.

No one is contributing to my own question?

Daboomb:




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Electricians/Engineers/Experienced people in the house, l have my own Question:

- Would you accept a 3-phase prepaid meter, in place of the Single phase you paid for, if PHCN decided to offer such at no extra cost to you?

- Are there disadvantages to using a Three phase meter for a residential building on a per Flat basis?

- Would some appliances refuse to run on 3-Phase Meter, when such runs well on Single phase? (I am looking at it form the frequency 50-60Hz for Single phase and 120Hz for 3-phase) or would there be problems down the line?

- Is the the Tariff (CURRENTLY) the same on a Single phase and Three phase meter (Nepa man told me they are same tariff to the customer! How true is this info?)

Thanks for you informed Opinion on those 4 questions.

No one is contributing to my own question?

please be very careful; i am currently in a fight with some dubious phcn officials over this very issue

in theory, you will be classified based on your consumption and charged accordingly; i have attached the NERC guidelines - you will see same on ekedc website

https://www.ekedp.com/residential

you should theoretically fall into R1/R2

- Would you accept a 3-phase prepaid meter, in place of the Single phase you paid for, if PHCN decided to offer such at no extra cost to you?

make sure everything is double documented. if you paid for single phase the implication is that single phase power is coming into your house. even if you have three phase supply, owing to the unreliability, there is often the possibility that ekedc or whichever provider you are using will take a single phase and loop it into your supply.



in the picture above, the single phase live has been looped because it is propably going to three pole switchgear [note that this can only work if your loads are single phase, if you loop the supply of any three phase equipment, it will not work.

in my case, my house has three phase supply outside, however, only one phase comes in. in 2015, i had a single phase meter wich was replaced with a three phase meter. the installer looped the single phase wire across the meter. fast forward to today, and some other officials are claiming that i looped/bypassed the meter. they are asking for workman's card etc etc.

the three phase meter will work, but there is a possibility that a team of ekedc officials is trying to set you up for future extortion. even though they are a private organization, the culture is still the same. i have escalated to the highest level and there has been no response.
the implication

- Are there disadvantages to using a Three phase meter for a residential building on a per Flat basis?

not really, distribution boards [not consumer units are three phase] , though the end loads/circuits are single phase. as a domestic user, you are unlikely to have any three phase load unless you are going for packaged air conditioners

- Is the the Tariff (CURRENTLY) the same on a Single phase and Three phase meter (Nepa man told me they are same tariff to the customer! How true is this info?)

you are billed based on your consumption and your rating. as an r2 customer you would be paying 24k per kwh. your total kwh will depend on your consumption, not on the meter.

- Would some appliances refuse to run on 3-Phase Meter, when such runs well on Single phase? (I am looking at it form the frequency 50-60Hz for Single phase and 120Hz for 3-phase) or would there be problems down the line?

. the power frequency in nigeria is 50hz. this is irrespective of phase. to the best of my knowledge across the world the standard for AC power distribution is 50 or 60hz.

this is what happens - three phase supply is red, yellow blue and neutral. ry 415, yb 415, br 415, rn 230, yn 230, bn 230. everything coming out of your distribution board is rn, yn , or bn [single phase] unless you put in a three pole mcb specifically for three phase item.

what i am saying is at the last point you are getting single phase , regardless of what [single or three phase] is coming into your house.

please ensure that you capture all details of work done.

oyb:


Accountants also work in expense control. Is he in that role PRECISELY because he is a QS?

I am an electrical engineer by training and I am currently managing projects in my organisation . I know electrical engineers that are senior reservoir engineers in oil companies. I know engineers that are working in banks. The fact that ONE of your friends is in the expense control department of a bank, a role that is far more that construction industry work, does not validate your argument. Is that position a clearly defined career path?

To tell me to use Google is also irrelevant. A lot of high value courses unfortunately have no application in Nigeria. What do QS typically do in Nigeria outside of what I mentioned previously?


I did a look see through your posts and there is a lot there on project management. Is a QS background essential to construction project management?

What else is there to prove to you? From your response, it shows you know little about what QS in Nigeria do outside the borders of a construction project or site. I have mentioned various sectors in my previous post in which QS are providing services outside of a construction site...since you have declined to use Google, you could ask people whom you know work in those sectors if QS function there or not and they'll answer you.

I'm sure you also don't know that EFCC has been and is currently paying some QS consultants a hell of a lot of money as professional fees to do REVIEW OF CONTRACTS & COST AUDITING of construction contracts that are subjects of bribery & corruption investigations. Maybe the EFCC were foolish in appointing QS to do that and not an accountant!

As per my colleague in Expense Control, he has been in the Projects department of the bank rolling out branches for many years before the bank thought it wise to move him to Expense Control in order to use his experience in saving expenditure costs for them. Or maybe the bank was foolish to have sent him there or they had suddenly become short of accountants?

As per project management, any of the professionals in the construction industry can be the project manager and/or prime consultant for any project...even the government recognizes this in the Federal Approved Scale of Fees for Consultants. I have seen Architects, QS, Engineers act as project manager/prime consultants on many projects in my years of experience.

Infact, you can verify this...a QS firm was the prime consultant for the Reconstruction of Ajose Adeogun Rd, Victoria Island in 2006 sponsored by Zenith Bank. I was working with that QS firm at the time & was on that project. The same firm was prime consultant for the Remodeling of the Consular Section of the American Embassy at Walter Carrington Crescent, Victoria Island, Lagos in the same 2006 in which our boss chose all other consultants (Architect, Engineers) to work on the project. This is just 1 QS firm, not to talk of so many others doing project management jobs in Nigeria.

I had to speak up because you made a very wrong statement in declaring a whole profession of almost 3,000 professional practicing individuals in Nigeria alone, null and void, all as a result of your lack of knowledge and facts about the profession. Other professionals have also called you out on this earlier on this thread.

If I don't have facts, I don't speak...I only say what I know and can prove...that's a golden rule of life and I believe everyone should abide by that rule.

It is well!

olumide4christ:


What else is there to prove to you? From your response, it shows you know little about what QS in Nigeria do outside the borders of a construction project or site. I have mentioned various sectors in my previous post in which QS are providing services outside of a construction site...since you have declined to use Google, you could ask people whom you know work in those sectors if QS function there or not and they'll answer you.

I'm sure you also don't know that EFCC has been and is currently paying some QS consultants a hell of a lot of money as professional fees to do REVIEW OF CONTRACTS & COST AUDITING of construction contracts that are subjects of bribery & corruption investigations. Maybe the EFCC were foolish in appointing QS to do that and not an accountant!

As per my colleague in Expense Control, he has been in the Projects department of the bank rolling out branches for many years before the bank thought it wise to move him to Expense Control in order to use his experience in saving expenditure costs for them. Or maybe the bank was foolish to have sent him there or they had suddenly become short of accountants?

As per project management, any of the professionals in the construction industry can be the project manager and/or prime consultant for any project...even the government recognizes this in the Federal Approved Scale of Fees for Consultants. I have seen Architects, QS, Engineers act as project manager/prime consultants on many projects in my years of experience.

Infact, you can verify this...a QS firm was the prime consultant for the Reconstruction of Ajose Adeogun Rd, Victoria Island in 2006 sponsored by Zenith Bank. I was working with that QS firm at the time & was on that project. The same firm was prime consultant for the Remodeling of the Consular Section of the American Embassy at Walter Carrington Crescent, Victoria Island, Lagos in the same 2006 in which our boss chose all other consultants (Architect, Engineers) to work on the project. This is just 1 QS firm, not to talk of so many others doing project management jobs in Nigeria.

I had to speak up because you made a very wrong statement in declaring a whole profession of almost 3,000 professional practicing individuals in Nigeria alone, null and void, all as a result of your lack of knowledge and facts about the profession. Other professionals have also called you out on this earlier on this thread.

If I don't have facts, I don't speak...I only say what I know and can prove...that's a golden rule of life and I believe everyone should abide by that rule.

It is well!

Thanks for this. Imagine common electrical engineer lasan lasan would come on NL and be saying what he dosent understand. mtchewww

olumide4christ:


What else is there to prove to you? From your response, it shows you know little about what QS in Nigeria do outside the borders of a construction project or site. I have mentioned various sectors in my previous post in which QS are providing services outside of a construction site...since you have declined to use Google, you could ask people whom you know work in those sectors if QS function there or not and they'll answer you.

I'm sure you also don't know that EFCC has been and is currently paying some QS consultants a hell of a lot of money as professional fees to do REVIEW OF CONTRACTS & COST AUDITING of construction contracts that are subjects of bribery & corruption investigations. Maybe the EFCC were foolish in appointing QS to do that and not an accountant!

As per my colleague in Expense Control, he has been in the Projects department of the bank rolling out branches for many years before the bank thought it wise to move him to Expense Control in order to use his experience in saving expenditure costs for them. Or maybe the bank was foolish to have sent him there or they had suddenly become short of accountants?

As per project management, any of the professionals in the construction industry can be the project manager and/or prime consultant for any project...even the government recognizes this in the Federal Approved Scale of Fees for Consultants. I have seen Architects, QS, Engineers act as project manager/prime consultants on many projects in my years of experience.

Infact, you can verify this...a QS firm was the prime consultant for the Reconstruction of Ajose Adeogun Rd, Victoria Island in 2006 sponsored by Zenith Bank. I was working with that QS firm at the time & was on that project. The same firm was prime consultant for the Remodeling of the Consular Section of the American Embassy at Walter Carrington Crescent, Victoria Island, Lagos in the same 2006 in which our boss chose all other consultants (Architect, Engineers) to work on the project. This is just 1 QS firm, not to talk of so many others doing project management jobs in Nigeria.

I had to speak up because you made a very wrong statement in declaring a whole profession of almost 3,000 professional practicing individuals in Nigeria alone, null and void, all as a result of your lack of knowledge and facts about the profession. Other professionals have also called you out on this earlier on this thread.

If I don't have facts, I don't speak...I only say what I know and can prove...that's a golden rule of life and I believe everyone should abide by that rule.

It is well!

everything you are saying still comes back to my original premise - in Nigeria the core role of QS is the construction industry. the efcc audits you referenced are audits of construction projects; basically remeasurement/backwards valuation, not so?

As per my colleague in Expense Control, he has been in the Projects department of the bank rolling out branches for many years before the bank thought it wise to move him to Expense Control in order to use his experience in saving expenditure costs for them. Or maybe the bank was foolish to have sent him there or they had suddenly become short of accountants?

you are deliberately missing my point; is that position a standard QS career path? that is a standard story in the private sector - identifying talents and expanding their scope of responsibilities. i have been doing conceptual 3d modelling,visualization of proposed projects for years. i have trained others in my office to do the same. is my employer foolish to allow me to take up this responsibility when they can get an architect to do this?

As per project management, any of the professionals in the construction industry can be the project manager and/or prime consultant for any project...

i referenced this because i did google the role of QS when the debate started. the key role which most of the material i read referenced was project management.

anyway, each to his own. i do not expect you not to vigorously defend your profession.

raymondFirstborn:

Thanks for this. Imagine common electrical engineer lasan lasan would come on NL and be saying what he dosent understand. mtchewww

dude , respect yourself please

you, unlike the guy you have been begging to come to your defense, are a piss poor excuse to any profession.

i do no not think much of polytechnic grads, but i did not disparage you. i think even less of polytechnic lecturers and govt workers, but i chose not to comment on your empty chest beating of being from a lineage of 'professionals',

for the most part, i ignored your own disparaging of your profession by your obvious quackery and celebration of 'coded' money

be careful

Daboomb:




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Electricians/Engineers/Experienced people in the house, l have my own Question:

- Would you accept a 3-phase prepaid meter, in place of the Single phase you paid for, if PHCN decided to offer such at no extra cost to you?

- Are there disadvantages to using a Three phase meter for a residential building on a per Flat basis?

- Would some appliances refuse to run on 3-Phase Meter, when such runs well on Single phase? (I am looking at it form the frequency 50-60Hz for Single phase and 120Hz for 3-phase) or would there be problems down the line?

- Is the the Tariff (CURRENTLY) the same on a Single phase and Three phase meter (Nepa man told me they are same tariff to the customer! How true is this info?)

Thanks for you informed Opinion on those 4 questions.

No one is contributing to my own question?

l got the 3phase meter on my property in lagos, tarrif is based on usage but I noticed when they took light during my last visit, I was able to switch to the other line

oyb:



everything you are saying still comes back to my original premise - in Nigeria the core role of QS is the construction industry. the efcc audits you referenced are audits of construction projects; basically remeasurement/backwards valuation, not so?



you are deliberately missing my point; is that position a standard QS career path? that is a standard story in the private sector - identifying talents and expanding their scope of responsibilities. i have been doing conceptual 3d modelling,visualization of proposed projects for years. i have trained others in my office to do the same. is my employer foolish to allow me to take up this responsibility when they can get an architect to do this?



i referenced this because i did google the role of QS when the debate started. the key role which most of the material i read referenced was project management.

anyway, each to his own. i do not expect you not to vigorously defend your profession.



dude , respect yourself please

you, unlike the guy you have been begging to come to your defense, are a piss poor excuse to any profession.

i do no not think much of polytechnic grads, but i did not disparage you. i think even less of polytechnic lecturers and govt workers, but i chose not to comment on your empty chest beating of being from a lineage of 'professionals',

for the most part, i ignored your own disparaging of your profession by your obvious quackery and celebration of 'coded' money

be careful

Well let me just put a full stop here.I dont know why I am arguing with you,I should know better .About the polytechnic issue let me, make it clear.About 70% of quantity surveyors that I have met went to polytechnics.One of the biggest QS firms in Nigeria, tillyard consultants 75% of its QS's have HND CERTIFICATES FROM POLYTECHNICS.

I know you might dispute this,but if you want to want to learn hands on practicals, POLY would be your best choice. Am telling you this because as POLTECHNIC graduate, I can work as a bricklayer,plumber and carpenter, because I have acquired, practical skills in school.Tell me how many university graduates of civil engineering can lay or even mould blocks, lay pipes for plumbing or even put together timber flush door am sure 80% wouldn't know how to.
Today I am a plumbing and water contractor because of the practical skills and hands on training from a Polytechnic.Graduates of polys might not get 5.0 CGPA but they know their ornions.

[quote author=AngelicBeing post=60161836]l got the 3phase meter on my property in lagos, tarrif is based on usage but I noticed when they took light during my last visit, I was able to switch to the other line.

Abeg house, I need 4ft front door; has to be strong or armored door; any ideas would be welcome; cheers!

KITAMATA:
Abeg house, I need 4ft front door; has to be strong or armored door; any ideas would be welcome; cheers!

Sorry but we don't accept beg anymore. You have to wet the ground for the boys with Schnapps and kolanut

Search for Skimanski and also Muyesky. Or you can do Baba Lateef the local welder.

I personally will never buy a local door anymore but still will like to take a gander at Skimanski doors.

Good luck.