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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:10pm On Sep 11, 2017
Okay now lets look at the reason for my thread. I did ask a specific question regarding how water would be created by man but like i said that was simply a throw off question as i wanted everyone to go back to the beginning as i hinted Bennyann so lets look at the beginning.

Here is an article regarding the origin of water

Water is so vital to our survival, but strangely enough, we don’t know the first thing about it—literally the first. Where does water, a giver and taker of life on planet Earth, come from? When I was in junior high school, my science teacher taught us about the water cycle—evaporation from oceans and lakes, condensation forming clouds , rain refilling oceans and lakes—and it all made sense. Except for one thing: None of the details explained where the water came from to begin with. I asked, but my teacher looked as if I’d sought the sound of one hand clapping.

To be fair, the origin of our planet’s water is an intricate story stretching back some 13.8 billion years to the Big Bang. And a key part of the story, centering on two particular solar system denizens, has been hotly debated for decades.

Here’s the part we think we understand well: Just shy of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second after the Big Bang, the energy that sparked the outward swelling of space transmuted into a hot, uniform bath of particles. During the next three minutes, these primordial constituents bumped and jostled, combined and recombined, yielding the first atomic nuclei. One of the great triumphs of modern cosmology is its mathematical description of these processes, which gives accurate predictions for the cosmic abundances of the simplest nuclei—a lot of hydrogen, less helium and trace amounts of lithium. Producing copious hydrogen is a propitious start en route to water, but what about the other essential ingredient, oxygen?

That’s where stars, already plentiful about a billion years after the Big Bang, enter the picture. Deep within their blisteringly hot interiors, stars are nuclear furnaces that fuse the Big Bang’s simple nuclei into more complex elements, including carbon, nitrogen and, yes, oxygen. Later in their lives, when stars go super­nova, the explosions spew these elements into space. Oxygen and hydrogen commingle to make H2O.

So are we done? Not quite. In fact, this is where things get a little murky. Water molecules were surely part of the dusty swirl that coalesced into the Sun and its planets beginning about nine billion years after the Big Bang. But Earth’s early history, including epochs with high ambient temperatures and no enveloping atmosphere, implies that surface water would have evaporated and drifted back into space. The water we encounter today, it seems, must have been delivered long after Earth formed.

Faced with this conundrum, astronomers realized that there are two ready-made sources: comets and asteroids, the solar system’s gravel strewn among planetary boulders. The primary difference between the two is that comets typically have a greater concentration of ingredients that vaporize when heated, accounting for their iconic gaseous tails. Both comets and asteroids can contain ice. And if, by colliding with Earth, they added the amount of material some scientists suspect, such bodies could easily have delivered oceans’ worth of water. Accordingly, each has been fingered as a suspect in the mystery.

Adjudicating between the two is a challenge, and over the years scientific judgment has swung from one to the other. Nevertheless, recent observations of their chemical makeups are tipping the scale toward asteroids. Researchers reported last year, for example, that the ratios of different forms of hydrogen in asteroids appear to better match what we find here on Earth. But the analyses are based on limited samples, meaning there’s a good chance we’ve not yet heard the final word.

Even so, the next time you turn on the tap, think of the flowing water’s long and wonderful journey. It certainly makes a bottle of Fiji seem a little less exotic.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/how-did-water-come-to-earth-72037248/#fyL8w4KtoWTwAEvT

The part in red says the waters we know today must have been delivered long after the earth formed now compare this to Genesis 1: 1

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

Remember It says God first created the heavens and the earth and then the spirit of God hovered over the surface of the waters. This means the earth came first and then waters before anything else. Here was genesis giving a brief account of the origin of water and over 3000 years later science is agreeing to this fact.

Now based on the origin of water which science has been finding hard to agree upon why do we have water perfectly suited to everything on earth if its origin was not also deliberate?

Lets consider this:

Water is colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has wide margin between its boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.


Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.


Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.


Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water

If science says evolution began from water and all life came from it are we to also say that water also evolved to suit all life? THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION

Based on the above its safe to say water was not a chance occurrence but a deliberate one masterminded by something or someone intelligent.

Here is a comment by Nuhvey on this thread

First off, the extraterrestrial life forms should be able to manufacture organic materials as their source of food or nutrients... If We have something as complex as life, u'll base the chemistry generally on Carbon, Hydrogen, then Oxygen, Nitrogen or Sulphur. In this case, We could be able to extract some of these organic molecules and subject them to chemical reactions such as oxidation or reduction reactions... However, in this case, the amount of the extraterrestrial life would determine the amount of water being produced and it may not be enough for our population...
Case 2 would be a high energy dependent reaction.. It is well known that combustion of hydrogen, even just a little spark, would form some amount of water.. We know from observational astronomy that Stars are composed of many elements or atoms and at a critical time, when these stars begin to manufacture heavy elements in their core, they become unstable and can explode... Now this explosion yields atoms and molecules which are scattered through the galaxy as gas clouds and stuffs like that.. The commonest element in the universe is taken to be hydrogen, then helium, oxygen and nitrogen... Theoretically speaking, We could be able to gather a large amount of these elements (hydrogen and oxygen) maybe in large gas balloons and kind of burn them, we'll be able to get water in a large scale.. However, the reaction is violent so the amount of the would have to be just enough so as not to destroy the planet and some of the life forms... This could also be similar to the way water was formed in our planet... Some school of thought assert that about 2-3 billion years ago, high mass planetary bodies (asteroids) were bombarding the earth and due to their high speed and and the high temperature caused by the bombardment and as they crossed the atmosphere, it would have led to the combustion of hydrogen and oxygen which formed a lot of steam at the time... As time passed, the earth began to cool and water from the steam began to form.. If We could have create such a scenario, maybe through physical, chemical or nuclear means, there would be a possibility of the formation of water for the population... Anyways, its a hypothetical solution.. I await ur own answer to the question.

His comment only posses problems as regardless of how technologically advanced we are, we are still unable to create water that would match our entire earths population Yet a lot of people believe science is everything grin

Now i want to ask is water everything? If water sustains every known life on earth is water everything? If water is everything yet water can be deduced as not being a chance occurrence did water send itself here? If it did we should have experienced at least once another asteroid slamming into the earth and enabling us to witness first hand what is assumed to be the origin of water. Would you say that is truly its origin when you have not experienced it and may never do? No wonder science still argues this till today.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by JackBizzle: 7:10pm On Sep 11, 2017
felixomor:

Ah, Thank God you know.


Yes because the other 2 have stopped with the lie
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 7:26pm On Sep 11, 2017
JackBizzle:



Yes because the other 2 have stopped with the lie

You want us to test it?
Even others analice (whom u didnt mention) can help us. Confirm. grin
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:43pm On Sep 11, 2017
felixomor can you help me call the attention of those who said i have no answer to give? They can now come and debate my answer cheesy
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 7:45pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:
felixomor can you help me call the attention of those who said i have no answer to give? They can now come and debate my answer cheesy

Dont mind them.
If I were u, I would let them still swim in their impatience.....
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:50pm On Sep 11, 2017
felixomor:


Dont mind them.
If I were u, I would let them still swim in their impatience.....

I know but no need starving them any longer na grin

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 7:52pm On Sep 11, 2017
felixomor:


Abeg who start the thread? grin
ask him. Hahahahahahaha. He said not everyone must be a Christian but they won't leave Christians alone to practice their faith.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 7:55pm On Sep 11, 2017
Tonyosas101:
OP, please stop whatever you're doing right now & solve the main objective of this post for us to see

Or you can at least tell us the day the answer will be out


Nah wah ooo
cheesy cheesy cheesy You just can't wait anymore cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 8:05pm On Sep 11, 2017
adepeter2027:
Martinez19,, did you observe anything on this page?
This thread don tire me sef. grin
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:06pm On Sep 11, 2017
Now they have gone silent. cheesy

They come and peek and vanish. Tonyosas101 the impatient one oya food haf show. Ranchhoddas the discourager of men food don land. adepeter2027 the arewa miss road come and chop food. I saw Johnydon peek and vanish. grin i also saw hopefullandlord peek and his tongue got cut off cheesy grin (not like i am surprised at his particular reaction though)

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 8:07pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:
Now they have gone silent. cheesy

They come and peek and vanish. Tonyosas101 the impatient one oya food haf show. Ranchhoddas the discourager of men food don land. adepeter2027 the arewa miss road come and chop food. I saw Johnydon peek and vanish. grin
Lmao grin@ "arewa miss road"
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:15pm On Sep 11, 2017
dalaman also came and peeked and vanished. grin Proudgorgeousga looked in through the window and withdrew cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:18pm On Sep 11, 2017
sonofluc1fer come and eat oo
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:27pm On Sep 11, 2017
Ranchhoddas you came, you saw and then you vanished grin You get sore throat? cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 8:30pm On Sep 11, 2017
You are wasting your time.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:33pm On Sep 11, 2017
701ecilana:
You are wasting your time.

I thought they had answers to everything na grin So why all of them dey do the same thing. view and vanish na the new dance? cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 8:37pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:


I thought they had answers to everything na grin So why all of them dey do the same thing. view and vanish na the new dance? cheesy

Only few atheists are sincerely interested in intellectual talk. Forget all their fascade.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 8:37pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:


I thought they had answers to everything na grin So why all of them dey do the same thing. view and vanish na the new dance? cheesy
Wait!!!!! You thought they have answers for everything? Wow.

How long have you been here? Aside from insults and name calling, have you ever seen any of them engaging in any sensible discussion?

Atheists here are the dumbest trolls i have met.

Just wait and see how many of them will say any thing intelligent about your recent post.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by 701ecilana: 8:40pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:


I thought they had answers to everything na grin So why all of them dey do the same thing. view and vanish na the new dance? cheesy
Empty barrels makes the loudest noises.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 8:41pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:


I thought they had answers to everything na grin So why all of them dey do the same thing. view and vanish na the new dance? cheesy
we atheists don't have answers to everything. Who gave you that impression?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:41pm On Sep 11, 2017
701ecilana:

Wait!!!!! You thought they have answers for everything? Wow.

How long have you been here? Aside from insults and name calling, have you ever seen any of them engaging in any sensible discussion?

Atheists here are the dumbest trolls i have met.

Just wait and see how many of them will say any thing intelligent about your recent post.

Well dont blame me. I do know that they argue scripture a lot and often times ignorantly so i thought to myself, let me bring up a discussion that does not begin with scripture and see how they fare. The result on this thread is shockingly alarming. grin

All of them just turn deaf and dumb cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:43pm On Sep 11, 2017
Martinez19:
we atheists don't have answers to everything. Who gave you that impression?

But you have answers to scripture ba? Well i have given the reason and answer to my question above. Care to counter that? Afterall you were itching for my answer and even felt i had none to give.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 8:46pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:


But you have answers to scripture ba? Well i have given the reason and answer to my question above. Care to counter that? Afterall you were itching for my answer and even felt i had none to give.
what do you mean answers to scriptures? Where is the answer you gave?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:48pm On Sep 11, 2017
Martinez19:
what do you mean answers to scriptures? Where is the answer you gave?

scroll up
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Martinez19(m): 8:57pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:
Okay now lets look at the reason for my thread. I did ask a specific question regarding how water would be created by man but like i said that was simply a throw off question as i wanted everyone to go back to the beginning as i hinted Bennyann so lets look at the beginning.

Here is an article regarding the origin of water



The part in red says the waters we know today must have been delivered long after the earth formed now compare this to Genesis 1: 1



Remember It says God first created the heavens and the earth and then the spirit of God hovered over the surface of the waters. This means the earth came first and then waters before anything else. Here was genesis giving a brief account of the origin of water and over 3000 years later science is agreeing to this fact.

Now based on the origin of water which science has been finding hard to agree upon why do we have water perfectly suited to everything on earth if its origin was not also deliberate?

Lets consider this:

Water is colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life:

It has wide margin between its boiling point and freezing point. Water allows us to live in an environment of fluctuating temperature changes, while keeping our bodies a steady 98.6 degrees.


Water is a universal solvent. This property of water means that various chemicals, minerals and nutrients can be carried throughout our bodies and into the smallest blood vessels.

Water is also chemically neutral. Without affecting the makeup of the substances it carries, water enables food, medicines and minerals to be absorbed and used by the body.


Water has a unique surface tension. Water in plants can therefore flow upward against gravity, bringing life-giving water and nutrients to the top of even the tallest trees.

Water freezes from the top down and floats, so fish can live in the winter.


Ninety-seven percent of the Earth's water is in the oceans. But on our Earth, there is a system designed which removes salt from the water and then distributes that water throughout the globe. Evaporation takes the ocean waters, leaving the salt, and forms clouds which are easily moved by the wind to disperse water over the land, for vegetation, animals and people. It is a system of purification and supply that sustains life on this planet, a system of recycled and reused water

If science says evolution began from water and all life came from it are we to also say that water also evolved to suit all life? THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT QUESTION

Based on the above its safe to say water was not a chance occurrence but a deliberate one masterminded by something or someone intelligent.

Here is a comment by Nuhvey on this thread



His comment only posses problems as regardless of how technologically advanced we are, we are still unable to create water that would match our entire earths population Yet a lot of people believe science is everything grin

Now i want to ask is water everything? If water sustains every known life on earth is water everything? If water is everything yet water can be deduced as not being a chance occurrence did water send itself here? If it did we should have experienced at least once another asteroid slamming into the earth and enabling us to witness first hand what is assumed to be the origin of water. Would you say that is truly its origin when you have not experienced it and may never do? No wonder science still argues this till today.
why are you this confused? undecided I don't think dalaman would waste his time arguing with your answer.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 8:58pm On Sep 11, 2017
Martinez19:
why are you this confused? undecided I don't think dalaman would waste his time arguing with your answer.

please i encourage you to show me where my confusion lies grin

No long story abeg. Just show me.
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 9:06pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:
Ranchhoddas you came, you saw and then you vanished grin You get sore throat? cheesy
No vex abeg.
Which part of your that thing you wrote up there explains how to create water in a world where there is no water. Or was that not the initial question?
Please highlight it for me.
Did you keep this thread for days just to tell us ''godidit" or is there something I'm missing?
Help me out please.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:08pm On Sep 11, 2017
Martinez19 you don run? grin

You said I am confused I say make you show me where the confusion dey na run you come do. cheesy

You would have simply done what the rest are doing. The new dance called view and vanish grin Abi na view and dumb cheesy

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:11pm On Sep 11, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
No vex abeg.
Which part of your that thing you wrote up there explains how to create water in a world where there is no water. Or was that not the initial question?
Please highlight it for me.
Did you keep this thread for days just to tell us ''godidit" or is there something I'm missing?
Help me out please.

I guess you never followed my hints. No wonder you kept waiting and asking for answer.

If you followed you would have seen where I said "I deliberately asked the question as a throw off but the answer is in the beginning "

Now the beginning is clearly the origin of water. And I said research but nobody cared do that except one person and their research was problematic. Go ahead and read through the thread properly.

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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 9:11pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:
Ranchhoddas you came, you saw and then you vanished grin You get sore throat? cheesy
Will I not read it first?
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 9:12pm On Sep 11, 2017
Ranchhoddas:
Will I not read it first?

So why did you post the above if you had not first read it? cheesy
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 9:15pm On Sep 11, 2017
butterflylion:


I guess you never followed my hints. No wonder you kept waiting and asking for answer.

If you followed you would have seen where I said "I deliberately asked the question as a throw off but the answer is in the beginning "

Now the beginning is clearly the origin of water. And I said research but nobody cared do that except one person and their research was problematic. Go ahead and read through the thread properly.
So in that world the citizens will start to pray for water right?
Or have you forgotten your OP already?

I don't blame you though.
I blame the fools that are always liking your posts.
They are the real tragedy.
Bunch of M0RONS.

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