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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 11:27pm On Sep 11, 2017 |
Abeg I dey go sleep make I get strength for the tomorrow attackers. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Tonyosas101(m): 12:00am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion:My bad then cos I didn't carry out any research but I still don't get how the answer you gave tallies with the question you asked That's why I pleaded for the main question & the main answer Thumbs up for the research you carried out, learnt a lot from it & hope to learn more 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 6:57am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Tonyosas101: Here is one honest individual! Now bro the question was meant to distract everyone from the main objective and it worked very well. A few people asked for hints towards the answer and the hints I have clearly showed I was not asking for how mankind would be able to create water. At a point i had to say it in clear terms that, that was not the focus of the thread and everyone should look away from that as it was meant to distract from the main purpose" . However right here we still find them talking about the same question which I repeatedly said was a distraction. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by ModusOperandi(f): 7:30am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Remember It says God first created the heavens and the earth and then the spirit of God hovered over the surface of the waters. This means the earth came first and then waters before anything else interesting read, but you lost me at the bolded. if oxygen from the stars was essential for water formation, how did water exist before anything else? didn't God create the stars on the fourth day? does anything else include the stars? 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 7:46am On Sep 12, 2017 |
ModusOperandi: The saying that oxygen from the stars was essential for water creation on earth is purely speculative talk by scientists which is why they argue about it till date since it cannot be agreed upon generally. Saying water existed before anything else means water existed before all other creation on earth but came after the earth was formed. Now let's even assume asteroids brought this water as ice to the earth why then is water perfectly suited to this earth and everything on it? Coincidence? Remember this part of my post Water is colorless, odorless and without taste, and yet no living thing can survive without it. Plants, animals and human beings consist mostly of water (about two-thirds of the human body is water). You'll see why the characteristics of water are uniquely suited to life: Look at each of waters characteristic which is so perfectly suited to life on earth yet some scientists argue it came from asteroids. Why did this water "decide" to "by chance" hold all the right qualities for life on earth to depend on it? Did water adapt? Did water mutate? Did water evolve for this purpose from outside the earth? Can water do any of these things? If we assume water did evolve to suit the earths needs and this water came from asteroids then that would mean we are dealing with evolution beyond our Earth and that would also mean that we are dealing with a mega ultra stroke of luck occurrence of which evolution on earths chances of occurring are infinitismal how much more the chances of water which is perfectly suited for all life on earth to come from asteroids to the earth. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by JackBizzle: 10:02am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion: I am impressed. Seriously. This your ability to decieve yourself that you make intelligent posts is quite impressive. Cc dalaman 5 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by adepeter2027(m): 10:04am On Sep 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle:You're wicked oooo |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:04am On Sep 12, 2017 |
JackBizzle: I am not surprised. Seriously! This your uncanny ability not to see your dumb nature is eerily impressive. Cc felixomor 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:07am On Sep 12, 2017 |
It's a new day and the hecklers and naysayers for lack of anything to say have begun gathering ![]() Even when others are conversing intelligently only they refuse to see this by some strange stroke of luck. ![]() By their comments ye shall know them ![]() |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 10:07am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Tonyosas101:Lol You go wait tire. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:13am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas: The person you quoted is obviously smarter than you. He quickly adapted and admitted he did no research as I recommended but also admitted to learning from it. Your comment to him still shows you have not followed my comments on the thread and my deliberate hints. Your desperation go soon wear pampers ![]() |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 10:16am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion: Jumbo dimbo for a reason ![]() 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:21am On Sep 12, 2017 |
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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Tonyosas101(m): 10:23am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion:I'm probably a slow learner cos you still didn't quote me with the question (main objective) & the answer to it No offence bro & thanks for the replies |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 10:23am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion:Gerarahere men. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 10:26am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Tonyosas101:I thought he said you have learnt from it. Is it not the same thing I've been asking him? Don't put your hopes up. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:32am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Tonyosas101: Whatever you thought was a main question in the OP was a distraction as I hinted several times in the thread. However if you carefully go through the thread you will get the direction and understand my final post earlier. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Tonyosas101(m): 10:34am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas:True, I did learn from his research & I bet you also gained from it as well What I don't get is the connection between the question, objective & the answer He could have just post the answer alone as the original post instead |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Tonyosas101(m): 10:39am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion: Well!!! you won cos most of us were distracted ![]() ![]() 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 10:44am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Tonyosas101:I did not gain jack. All I saw was a copy and paste description of water and godidit. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 10:55am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas: Baskets dont retain water. 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 10:58am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Tonyosas101: Ahhh finally you see it ![]() Despite the number of times I said it was a distraction they all by consensus still refused to understand what "distraction " meant. 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by AgentOfAllah: 10:59am On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion: To be clear, in discussions that evoke critical thinking, the purpose of questions is to seek/provide clarity, not to throw people off. It's only during a magic trick - where participants are expected to suspend all critical faculties - that a performer may be forgiven for asking "throw off" questions. If I recall correctly though, the purpose of this thread was not to dazzle participants with the magic of equivocation. In fact, you specifically appealed to people's intelligence and critical thinking on several occasions. So, the way I see it, there are three possibilities: (1) You came up with this poorly conceived excuse of "throw off" as an afterthought, to wriggle yourself out of an equally poorly conceived question, or (2) You don't understand the import of questions in critical thought processes, or (3) You deliberately intended to troll people using deception. Whichever it is, this is solely on you, as it was your responsibility to clarify what the exact purpose of your thread was, but you never did. Instead, you kept making vague remarks like "it's in the beginning", when prodded for clarification. Ergo, I don't think it is fair or honest to blame the people who rightly called you out on your BS, as you are wont to do. I kept a tab on this thread however, because you promised you'd provide an answer, and I wanted to know if your answer may yet redeem you, and I will come to that immediately. Firstly, I want to quickly point out that ignoring your previous mention was deliberate. It seemed you mistook my persistence on this thread as a desire to partaker in your theist/atheist wankfest (as Sarassin put it). It may have been 2 or 3 years ago, but that's not my style anymore, so please take note. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Now, since you have provided an "answer" to a question which you admit is a pointless "throw off", there is no longer any need to discuss your followup in context of the question. I however, still wish to take you up on your followup if you are willing. before we proceed, I want to see if we can establish a common ground on the origins of water in the universe. I see that you posted a scientific discussion from the Smithsonian about the origins of water on earth. The first part of this discussion touches upon the origins of water in the universe. Do you agree with that part or not? If not can you please mention, specifically, where your disagreement lies? butterflylion:As for your question about whether water sent itself here. The answer is a resounding no! It was brought here by gravity. Believe me though, you do not want to witness asteroids or any such sizable cosmic bodies impact the earth first hand. As a direct consequence of impact events, the last terrestrial species that dominated the earth didn't fare very well. Anyway, there is ample evidence that the earth was severally impacted by asteroids. There is also ample evidence that asteroids carry insane quantities of water with them. 2 Likes |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 11:01am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas:
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Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 11:12am On Sep 12, 2017 |
AgentOfAllah: I will ignore your start off rambling as those are your thought projections as against my deliberate actions prior to writing the OP and dropping the thread. So you say asteroids came to earth via gravity? Can you tell me what on earth is standing in the way of this phenomenon repeating itself? Back to your talk about dinosaurs and how they got wiped off by some stroke of luck laser guided asteroid that pinpointed their location how come we are yet to experience no such fluke stroke of luck again? My question wasn't pointless. The point was for you and everyone else to carry out research and you would admit I repeatedly said that throughout the thread. From your link the first known asteroid impact was 2 billion years ago. The earth is 4.5billion years old and evolution is said to have begun about 4billion years ago. Looking at these dates and also following the train of thought that all life evolved from water, how come the probable asteroid that brought water to earth happened 2 billion years ago while evolution began 4 billion years ago? Can you explain this discrepancy? Did life on earth now evolve from something else first before water came to the scene? I will follow this step by step with you but kindly address the above. Maybe I have my dates wrong ![]() Also the thing about water is that it has a lot of things which push coincidence a bit too far. This is odd because most liquids become denser when they freeze. Water, however, expands as it changes to ice. And the result? When lakes freeze, ice does not gather at the bottom, but at the top, trapping a layer of warmer water underneath. This is a very happy "fluke" of nature because it gives fish and other living things a chance to survive. How come this coincidental yet deliberately purposeful fluke? ![]() Did water also evolve in order to suit life on earth? |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by Ranchhoddas: 11:32am On Sep 12, 2017 |
felixomor:Baskets still have a function. Can't say the same for Ms. 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 11:59am On Sep 12, 2017 |
While waiting for your response AgentOfAllah I would also require your response to this. I do know that all uncontrolled objects coming in from outer space to the earth such as meteors, asteroids, debris etc experience aerodynamic heating from the karman line which is 330,000 feet above sea level and is the boundary between our atmosphere and outer space and since the earths atmospheric conditions were not definitely what we have today 4.5 billion years ago, how did the ice on this asteroid make it through when even rocks (which are not aerodynamic in nature) get broken into pieces when in such a situation? Except it was also by some fluke of luck that an aerodynamic asteroid was the vehicle that brought this ice in ![]() I can itemise all the strokes of luck we have identified so far if you like ![]() |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 12:30pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Also AgentOfAllah since science arguably claims asteroids brought water to the earth and since they also claim that since life began in this alien water brought in from these asteroids where then did the asteroids bring the ice from? ![]() Surely these asteroids would have delivered this same water to other planets and this same water would have also contained the origins of evolutionary life. In fact scientists claim that water is found in 23 places in our solar system. Namely: Europa, Enceladus, Ganymede, Callisto, Ceres, Mars, Dione, Pluto, Charon, Titan, Mimas, Triton, Titania, Oberon, Umbriel, Tethys, Rhea, Lapetus, The Kuiper Belt, Mercury, The moon, Neptune, Uranus Let's narrow it down to the moon which scientists also say has water and I believe these asteroids also brought water to the moon and this water contained the origins of evolutionary life same as earth so how is it that the moon which is 4.47 billion years old has no life on it and the earth which is 4.5 billion years old has complete and well balanced life on it? ![]() I am just thinking out loud ![]() |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by butterflylion: 12:32pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Jackbizzle aka jumbo dumbo stop peeking and apply the little brain power you have and say something sensible. ![]() 1 Like |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by JackBizzle: 12:44pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion: Bros. I gats agree with you. What are asteroids wating for? Asteroids blew up most of the earth once thousands of years ago.....so wetin com happen? |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by JackBizzle: 12:44pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
butterflylion: Jack Dumbo reporting for duty sir. |
Re: A Thread For The Intelligent. Let's Put Critical Thought To Work by felixomor: 12:50pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Ranchhoddas:Yeah.baskets have Functions other than intellectual talk. ![]() 1 Like |
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