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Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:08am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:Explain it then |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 8:18am On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: Your claim is based on the khaariji ideology that Eeman is not divided and once a part goes all of it goes. The creed of Ahl Sunnah wal Jamah is that Eemaan increases and decreases as the messenger alyhissolaat was salaam explained. So if a person commits bidah he is not a disbeliever, his Eeman has only reduced except if his bidah includes act of disbelief. So if a person commits bidah his Eeman has reduced not disappeared. Just like the one who commits sins too. Secondly, if we want to use your ideology we will call sinners too kafir because they are also going against the verses of the Quran that said Don't lie, don't kill, don't commit adultery etc. Or is staying away from sins not also a part of the perfect religion?! |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 8:22am On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: On this day your religion is perfect as Allah has revealed to you all the halaal and Haram and every way that you will see his mercy so you are in no need of any other source of guidance. Finish. But you continued to say this means that and that means those till you reach your takfeeri ideology. |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:24am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:Laughin. .where did i say eman is n0t divided and that it decreases eeman? oro re su mi o. . #laughing |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:30am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Eeman means aqeedah and it also means belief. . .Eeman is divided into 2. . And it does increase and decrease. .eeman is known by action, belief and sayings. . .and your eeman can got spoiled, destroyed by kufru, shirk, bida.. #those destroys it# . . then sin only decreases eeman. . . #oro re su mi o. . na so you people dey lie up0n jabata and keep saying what he didnt say. .# NOW I KNOW THAT FEELING. . . .0. . U keep calling me a khawarij. . .have i ever make takfir of a muslim? have i ever make takfir of a sinner? have i ever protest to government in any way? have i ever killed a muslim? #laughing. . .you dont even know what or who is khawarij. . .olodo oshi.c |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:34am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Eeman means aqeedah and it also means belief. . .Eeman is divided into 2. . And it does increase and decrease. .eeman is known by action, belief and sayings. . .and your eeman can got spoiled, destroyed by kufru, shirk, bida.. #those destroys it# . . then sin only decreases eeman. . . #oro re su mi o. . na so you people dey lie up0n jabata and keep saying what he didnt say. .# NOW I KNOW THAT FEELING. . . .0. . U keep calling me a khawarij. . .have i ever make takfir of a muslim? have i ever make takfir of a sinner? have i ever protest to government in any way? have i ever killed a muslim? #laughing. . .you dont even know what or who is khawarij. . .olodo oshi.# SO SURATUL MAIDAH VERSE 3,the phrase"i have perfected ur religion" MEANS ISLAM HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED? THAT ALL KNOWLEDGE AND RULINGS OF ISLAM HAS NOT YET COMPLETE? . .# I give up# you no know anything about islam. . . surah wey even get hadith on it. . #wahala wa o#gc |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:36am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Eeman means aqeedah and it also means belief. . .Eeman is divided into 2. . And it does increase and decrease. .eeman is known by action, belief and sayings. . .and your eeman can got spoiled, destroyed by kufru, shirk, bida.. #those destroys it# . . then sin only decreases eeman. . . #oro re su mi o. . na so you people dey lie up0n jabata and keep saying what he didnt say. .# NOW I KNOW THAT FEELING. . . .0. . U keep calling me a khawarij. . .have i ever make takfir of a muslim? have i ever make takfir of a sinner? have i ever protest to government in any way? have i ever killed a muslim? #laughing. . .you dont even know what or who is khawarij. . .olodo oshi.# SO SURATUL MAIDAH VERSE 3,the phrase"i have perfected ur religion" MEANS ISLAM HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED? THAT ALL KNOWLEDGE AND RULINGS OF ISLAM HAS NOT YET COMPLETE? . .# I give up# you no know anything about islam. . . surah wey even get hadith on it. . #wahala wa o# DO U EVEN KNOW KALIN ME KHAWARIJ MEANS U MAKE TAKFIR OF ME?#Vgc |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 8:37am On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: I tire for you. Go ahead with your Jabata ideology. May Allah save you. I stand with the companions and those after them. Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 137: فَإِنْ آمَنُوا بِمِثْلِ مَا آمَنتُم بِهِ فَقَدِ اهْتَدَوا وَّإِن تَوَلَّوْا فَإِنَّمَا هُمْ فِي شِقَاقٍ فَسَيَكْفِيكَهُمُ اللَّهُ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْعَلِيمُ So if they believe in the like of that which you believe, then they are rightly guided, but if they turn away, then they are only in opposition. So Allah will suffice you against them. And He is the All-Hearer, the All-Knower. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:39am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Eeman means aqeedah and it also means belief. . .Eeman is divided into 2. . And it does increase and decrease. .eeman is known by action, belief and sayings. . .and your eeman can got spoiled, destroyed by kufru, shirk, bida.. #those destroys it# . . then sin only decreases eeman. . . #oro re su mi o. . na so you people dey lie up0n jabata and keep saying what he didnt say. .# NOW I KNOW THAT FEELING. . . .0. . U keep calling me a khawarij. . .have i ever make takfir of a muslim? have i ever make takfir of a sinner? have i ever protest to government in any way? have i ever killed a muslim? #laughing. . .you dont even know what or who is khawarij. . .olodo oshi.# SO SURATUL MAIDAH VERSE 3,the phrase"i have perfected ur religion" MEANS ISLAM HAS NOT BEEN COMPLETED? THAT ALL KNOWLEDGE AND RULINGS OF ISLAM HAS NOT YET COMPLETE? . .# I give up# you no know anything about islam. . . surah wey even get hadith on it. . #wahala wa o# DO U EVEN KNOW KALIN ME KHAWARIJ MEANS U MAKE TAKFIR OF ME?#ORO E SU MI OVgc |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 8:39am On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: I said that's the implication of your ideology ! I didn't say you said it! Abi u don't av eyes ni? |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:49am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:SO ME THAT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS,SAYINGS,ACTION THAT CAN MAKE ONE A KAFIR AND DO MAKE TAKFIR OF KAFIR leads to saying eeman is not divided?#how is that possible? me that believe s0me0ne can be out of islam leads to saying eeman do n0t increase or decrease?#person wey be kafir dey get eeman ni? . . #laughing . . ok. . just explain how my ideology leads to saying eeman is n0t divided, that it does n0t increase and decrease and that it leads to saying bida is sin?## laughing..unbelieveable claims .. am sure people reading to see ur dolal xef.. what u claim is opposite of everything i have been saying lati ojo yii |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:51am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:SO ME THAT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS,SAYINGS,ACTION THAT CAN MAKE ONE A KAFIR AND DO MAKE TAKFIR OF KAFIR leads to saying eeman is not divided?#how is that possible? me that believe s0me0ne can be out of islam leads to saying eeman do n0t increase or decrease?#person wey be kafir dey get eeman ni? . . #laughing . . ok. . just explain how my ideology leads to saying eeman is n0t divided, that it does n0t increase and decrease and that it leads to saying bida is sin?## laughing..unbelieveable claims .. am sure people reading to see ur dolal xef.. what u claim is opposite of everything i have been saying lati ojo yii# YOU DONT JUST HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO REFUTE ME. .#LAUGHING. .I KNOW U HATE JABATA, DO N0T HATE THE TRUTH HE IS SAYING |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:52am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:SO ME THAT BELIEVE THAT THERE ARE THINGS,SAYINGS,ACTION THAT CAN MAKE ONE A KAFIR AND DO MAKE TAKFIR OF KAFIR leads to saying eeman is not divided?#how is that possible? me that believe s0me0ne can be out of islam leads to saying eeman do n0t increase or decrease?#person wey be kafir dey get eeman ni? . . #laughing . . ok. . just explain how my ideology leads to saying eeman is n0t divided, that it does n0t increase and decrease and that it leads to saying bida is sin?## laughing..unbelieveable claims .. am sure people reading to see ur dolal xef.. what u claim is opposite of everything i have been saying lati ojo yii# YOU DONT JUST HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO REFUTE ME. .#LAUGHING. .I KNOW U HATE JABATA, DO N0T HATE THE TRUTH HE IS SAYING. which companion didnt say sp0on is kufru or bida is kufru? which companion says different thing fr0m what jabata said? . . .g |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 8:56am On Sep 12, 2017 |
Let's just do it this way. . . QUOTE WHAT COMPANIONS SAY, AND QUOTE WHAT JABATA SAYS. . .and say what jabata have said wr0ng. . .#o ya am waiting |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 12:48pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: For your information, you only gave your own interpretation here. You have not brought CLEAR proof that bidah=kufr from the Quran and sunnah. That verse talking about halal and Haram theres no mention of bidah in it not to talk of kufr. Bring evidence that bidah=kufr from Quran and sunnah not your explanation. |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 2:36pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:OLODO RABATA. . . SILATI WA MA LO. . OO NI KA IWE MO. . show my explanati0n to ur alfa and hear what he wil say |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 2:43pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: Remember the Bukharee hadith you wanted to use as evidence, it was completely off topic! You definitely have never ever seen Soheeh Bukharee with your eyes. What a shame! |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 2:47pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: I repeat, there's no Alfa in the world; starting from Abu Bakr rodiyallahu Anhu till Uthymeen that said all bidah is kufr. na only jabata talk am! and Abu Ibeji dogmatically followed him! That claim started with Jabata so it is a Jabtawiyyah ideology! So you are a jabtawiyy. |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 2:51pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:OFF TOPIC? IF NA UR PAPA BORN YOU, QUOTE AND PASTE BUKHARI 5063 AND MUSLIM 1401 HERE |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 2:56pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: Go and learn so you too can read by yourself! NINCOMPOOP |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 2:58pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:YEEPA! ANI OLODO NI E. .awon alfa re gan o so be. . . quote 1 alfa that didnt say all bida is kufru. . . . that is ur assignment. . . go ask ur alfa's . . . .they cant and wont ever see. . . . . lailai. . . tori kosi. . . . . . me will quote just 1 tira for u. .and its page number. . SHARH IQTIDA SIRAT-AL-MUSTAQIM - IBN UTHAYMEEN DID THE SHARH. . WHILE IBN TAYMIYAH WR0TE THE TIRA. PAGE 322. . .ALL BIDA IS KUFRU. . . .p6 |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 3:00pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:#LAUGHING# u cant quote it. .coz its the truth |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 3:04pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
AbuUthaymeen: O boy u dull gan-an ni oo I created a whole thread for that weeks ago na! I even gave you the link today! You have 8sec memory like a gold fish! Shaa take again https://www.nairaland.com/3925812/retort-takfeeri-ilorin |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Nobody: 3:24pm On Sep 12, 2017 |
Newnas:LAUGH ROLLING ON THE FLOOR. . WALAI ITS EMPIREE THAT RODDA(REFUTED) EVERY TRASH YOU POSTED THERE..imagine, a sufi refuting u..if u did have proof from quran and hadith ni, he cant ever rodda on you lailai. . . . i even did clear explanation with quran and hadith there. .. anybody reading this should click and read the link he posted jare. .bk |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 12:14pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
LAUGH ROLLING ON THE FLOOR. . WALAI ITS EMPIREE THAT RODDA(REFUTED) EVERY TRASH YOU POSTED THERE..imagine, a sufi refuting u..if u did have proof from quran and hadith ni, he cant ever rodda on you lailai. . . . i even did clear explanation with quran and hadith there. .. anybody reading this should click and read the link he posted jare. .bk Typical of lighted headed people! Even the disbelievers gave response to the messenger alyhissolaat was salaam Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 13: وَإِذَا قِيلَ لَهُمْ آمِنُوا كَمَا آمَنَ النَّاسُ قَالُوا أَنُؤْمِنُ كَمَا آمَنَ السُّفَهَاءُ أَلَا إِنَّهُمْ هُمُ السُّفَهَاءُ وَلَٰكِن لَّا يَعْلَمُونَ And when it is said to them (hypocrites): "Believe as the people (followers of Muhammad Peace be upon him, Al-Ansar and Al-Muhajirun) have believed," they say: "Shall we believe as the fools have believed?" Verily, they are the fools, but they know not. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran and firaun gave response to Musa. Surah Az-Zukhruf, Verse 52: أَمْ أَنَا خَيْرٌ مِّنْ هَٰذَا الَّذِي هُوَ مَهِينٌ وَلَا يَكَادُ يُبِينُ "Am I not better than this one [Musa (Moses)], who is Mahin [has no honour nor any respect, and is weak and despicable] and can scarcely express himself clearly? (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran |
Re: Who Are The Salaf? by Newnas(m): 12:15pm On Oct 10, 2017 |
So if you had any wisdom you would have known that what matters is the content of the response not just giving response. But you are ignorant just like your teacher, you only insult. Please bring one erudite comment you have ever made on this forum. Please for Allah's sake. |
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