analice107:

Onyenze123, this is hard bone even for Christians to chew, how then do i expect you to understand it? Have you noticed how sukkot avoids it? Everything talked about in this thread are the deep things of satan.

This is for Christians to stay away from, not you guys. You are in it already, but you can come out.

sonmvayina:


I used to enjoy and gain a lot from your contribution to some of the controversial topics on this forum...I still do, but what sometimes make me not to take you serious is your insistence that they are ETs...they are not..they are inter dimensional beings..they do enter our reality, just as you have learnt how to visit theirs...and also on the identity of lucifer, Lucifer is a she, she is Inanna not Enki..enki is humanity father and our creator. It was inanna that rose her self to the pantheon by seducing and getting the MEs from Enki, she was given a divine tiara and was admitted to sit with the senior Gods, Ninmah,was withdrawn and replaced with inanna....
She rose herself to become a senior God...she is the goddess of death and destruction.....if you truly understand Isaiah 14, you will know isaiah was comparing death to the king..to the jews death is not the end of life but a prison....like a punishment...she was in Eden, that is death...as it was the punishment of Adam and eve...got it now...

analice107:

Oh. How do you believe in Resurrection and Reincarnation at the same time?

The reason you don't agree or believe Heaven and Hellfire to be a location is because of the New Age teachings of reincarnation you believe. You'd have to take a stand, you can't believe both.

Resurrection believers knows hell to be a location because the reason for resurrection is that judgements for our acts here may be either rewarded or punished. But, you said the hard times we go through here on earth, e g, Being a Nigerian and living here is hellfire, no other place.

if this true, then the Jesus coming of Jesus is not for the purpose of redemption.

MuttleyLaff:
Thou art wearied in the multitude of thy counsels.
Let now the astrologers, the stargazers, the monthly prognosticators,
stand up, and save thee from these things that shall come upon thee.
- Isaiah 47:13 KJV

All the counsel you have received has only worn you out! Let your astrologers come forward,
those stargazers who make predictions month by month,
let them save you from what is coming upon you
- Isaiah 47:13 NIV

All the advice you receive has made you tired.
Where are all your astrologers, those stargazers who make predictions each month?
Let them stand up and save you from what the future holds.
- Isaiah 47:13 NLT

analice107:

Onyenze123, this is hard bone even for Christians to chew, how then do i expect you to understand it? Have you noticed how sukkot avoids it? Everything talked about in this thread are the deep things of satan.

This is for Christians to stay away from, not you guys. You are in it already, but you can come out.

TheUmbra:


Dear analice107, you must be careful what and to whom you respond to in religious section. There are many who roam this section preaching, professing and selling what they know too little about.

Others are shallow-rooted christians who thought Christianity pays like MMM. They never passed the true test of faith. They fell out almost as quickly as they got in. This section also hosts a league of religious vagrants, hawking strange ideas and doctrines. Some do it for the attention, some are just ignorant. While a few actually are willful agents of darkness on a mission to take many down with strange and persuasive messages. .

Astrology is a branch of dark sorcery. It is divination: an act of trying to predict the future outside the dictates of the HOLY SPIRIT. Scripture has many passages condemning and forbidding divination. One of my favourite is this found in the book of Isaiah 47: 13

You are wearied with your many counsels; Let now the astrologers, Those who prophesy by the stars, Those who predict by the new moons, Stand up and save you from what will come upon you

It is a different matter when one tries to use scripture as a means to draw attention to himself. It is satanic.

Sarassin:


You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to.

Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy.

Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II.

Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years?

Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you?

The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)"

You all should read your bibles properly.

sukkot:
I already told you what the deep things of satan is when i defined what the word satan is. satan is adversary. being contrary to the laws of GOD. so the deep things of satan obviously would be SIN. breaking the laws. simple and straightforward. being contrary to the laws of GOD

analice107:

Do you mean Astrology was embedded in Catholicism or Christianity? As even their sunday service is called 'CELEBRATION OF MASS'.

If Astrology is part of Christianity the appropriate thing to do will be to post Scriptures to that effect not just mention names of an organization or individuals who in their own disobedience practiced sorcery which we as Christians are warned against.

There are Bible verse in the post you quoted, why not address them?

sukkot:
I would assume you understand the verses you posted ? let me give you an analogy. if someone named nnamdi gets into trouble, now he usually gets into lots of trouble but he is always bailed out and protected by a guy named chukwu. then one day he gets into trouble and this trouble he enters this time he cant get out off. then someone says ' nnamdi even chukwu cannot save you this time from the punishment you are about to receive. now answer me this ? is chukwu being referred to as a bad person ? well in this analogy chukwu is the astrologers. thats what the verse you are quoting means. i cant for the life of me not understand why analice107 and TheUmbra have comprehension problems. its like some people dont need to pick up the bible if they cant understand whats in it because they will go and confuse other people with their warped comprehension skills when they try to preach to others based on their failed understanding of scriptures

sukkot:
very simple, reincarnation refers to the flesh and Resurrection refers to the spirit. the rebuilding of a dead spirit is ressurection and the return of a spirit in a body into the earthly realm is reincarnation. 2 different concepts

Sarassin:

l meant that astrology which essentially is the study of heavenly bodies and their effects on our lives is embedded in your scriptures. I gave the examples of the Magi who deduced the birth of Christ by the use of astrological tools and followed a celestial object to his birthplace.

Sarassin:


I stated that astrology was outlawed in Christianity, by the Church by unilateral decision of the synod at Laodicea. I also gave examples of the use of astrological symbolisms in the NT in the Book of Revelations. In addition, there were 12 disciples, 12 Houses of Israel, that number corresponds to the zodiacal arrangements, therefore it is by design not accident. If you wanted to go deeper, you will find that the human characteristics of each of the disciples of Christ accurately mirrors the attributes of each of the 12 planetary bodies of the zodiac.

onyenze123:


Sis, pray for me. I need deliverance from "the deep things of Satan"

analice107:

Sir, Astrology was never there in the first place. If you insist pls Post Scriptures which enjoins us to practice it and i will give you scriptures which for bits us from doing so.

The coming of the Magi tried to subtly plant it, but no, the Spirit of God revealed it. For that was what Jesus Christ warned the Thyatiran Church against in Revelation 2:24.

STAY AWAY FROM SORCERY, STAY AWAY FROM THE SECRETS OF SATAN.

Sarassin:

I have nowhere stated that you are enjoined to practice astrology, what I have said is that astrology is not sorcery and it has formed a huge part of scripture, there is a difference.

Sarassin:

I think you are simply rewriting the bible and colouring it with your personal bias.

Sarassin:

In any event it is medicine after death, the horse has already bolted. The astrological construct of scripture is plain for all to see, the symbolism is not even hidden, therefore when you say that astrology is sorcery then by implication you are also saying that biblical writers practised sorcery because they clearly and overtly made use of its symbolisms this is not disputed.

Sarassin:

The issue is one of hypocrisy on the part of religion. When others practise these arts you all name them sorcery, necromancy, fortune telling, e.t.c, yet when biblical characters do it you all call it something else!

Sarassin:

What do you think the Prophet Isaiah was practising when he foretold the future?
What do you think Elijah was practising when he called down fire from the skies to consume the captain and his fifty men?

Sarassin:

Or the same Elijah for that matter, borne aloft the chariots of fire?
You say Jesus died and resurrected, so all those who supposedly saw and conversed with him after his death were practising what exactly?

Sarassin:

The Apostle Paul performed a couple of miracles here and there and today he is regarded as a saint, Simon performed even greater miracles but because he was not a Christian he was termed a ‘Magus’ or a sorcerer and stories were concocted to pit him against Peter and Paul.

These definitions are entirely subjective therefore people who live in glass houses should not throw stones

analice107:

If there's no where it is stated that we, the followers of Jehovah are enjoined to practice Astrology/Sorcery, but there are various scriptures forbidding us from practicing such Arts, what does that then tell you?
How did Sorcery form a Hugh part of Christianity when we are forbidden from being part of it? Can't you see that you are assuming things?

analice107:

By, 'the horse has already bolted', you mean no way of coming out of this?
Sir, i'm not here advocating that you guys who are in should come out, No, i'm interested letting the lazy who can't find out the truth for themselves to know that what is being propagated here are lies.
If there are Astrological Symbolisms in the Scriptures, it's because you see what you want to see. You should know that what ever satan is doing today are counterfeits of divinity. Satan has no original or anything.

analice107:

What did you call them? Prophets! Yes, that was what they were, prophets of God.
And, they never spoke their words, they were never conjurers. They were never necromancers, They never called up any Spirit to help them with any message.
They never foretold what was not given to them by Jehovah.
They never said 'I', They always said 'Thus says the Lord'.
They never looked into any object to give their messages.
They never went on astral projections to get information,
They never took a certain sitting positions chanting tantras or Chakras to get into the spirit realm, They never took breathing exercises to ease off tension or attain ecstasy to get in touch with the spiritual.
They simple was told what to say. No rigours, no initiation into anything.

analice107:

Who Empowered Paul to perform the miracles? And, who empowered Simon to performed which greater Miracles? I can't recall, pls help me here.
Sir, you just admitted here that Paul and Simon didn't get their powers from the same source.
If Simon was such a great Miracle worker as you say, why did he attempt to buy the Holy Spirit[/b]so that he could perform the same kind of Miracles like the Apostles?

[b]Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Acts:8:13

This was a man who performed greater miracles,(according to you) wondering at the wonders performed by the disciples.
Simon was a sorcerer who had bewitched and cast spells on people, until redemption came, he was exposed as a satanist.
My good sir, We live in glass houses that is why we see clearly to call out deception.

princy80:
Sarassin, please do well to check your mailbox. I've tried to contact you.

analice107:

TRUE, Two different concepts which applies to distinct world views.

Reincarnation is for the Materialists, Those who ascribe to Astrology and other sorcery, While resurrection is for those who believe in After life. Heaven and Hell.

You seem to be mixing the two concepts.

analice107:

Oh Sukkot. You don't have comprehension problem, but you are deliberately dishonest because you have chosen to live in sin.

Babylonians sins by practicing sorcery which is Astrology, Witchcraft, Necromancy, fortune telling, Conjuring of spirits, Practicing Magic etc, because of these sins, God brings Judgment against them.


Scripture clearly condemns astrology as a practice that is “detestable to the Lord” (Deuteronomy 18:10–12).

Oh my God sukkot. The Lord knew there will be people like hence this verse;

Deuteronomy 18:9-12,14
Warning against Pagan Practices “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, don't follow the disgusting practices of the nations that are there.

Don't sacrifice your children in the fires on your altars; and don't let your people practice divination or look for omens or use spells or charms, and don't let them consult the spirits of the dead

The Lord your God hates people who do these disgusting things, and that is why he is driving those nations out of the land as you advance.

The Promise to Send a Prophet Then Moses said, “In the land you are about to occupy, people follow the advice of those who practice divination and look for omens,[/b]but the Lord your God does not allow you to do this.


Deuteronomy 4:19
Do not be tempted to worship and serve what you see in the sky—the sun, the moon, and the stars. The Lord your God has given these to all other peoples for them to worship.

Jeremiah:10:1-2
Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel:
Thus saith the LORD, [b]Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.

Can we discuss these scriptures pls?

analice107:

Are you sure it was sin in its generality that Jesus warned against?

You mean telling lies, stealing, giving and taking bribe, unforgiveness, anger, jealousy, malice etc are the deep secrets of satan?

Sukkot, are you Balaam? You sound like that Balaam Jesus warned us against.

Here, pls let's look into this verse;

Good News Translation Revelation 2:24
“But the rest of you in Thyatira have not followed this evil teaching; you have not learned what the others call ‘the deep secrets of Satan.’ I say to you that I will not put any other burden on you.

Are you sure sin is the deep secret of Satan?

Sarassin:


No, there are no assumptions here. I gave you the instances of astrological use in the scriptures. Their use is not in dispute, you simply fail to make a basic distinction.



Again, no. The horse has already bolted because the bible itself employs astrological imagery, biblical scholars far more erudite than you or I have consistently pointed these out, this is what led to the Synod of Laodicea. Whether you choose to acknowledge these or not is of no relevance. It should be clear by now that some biblical writers did not consider astrology as sorcery.



Very funny! And you know this how? did they personally ring you and disclose this to you or do you somewhere have an infancy gospel of Prophet Elijah detailing his spiritual background? And what exactly do you expect bible compilers to write? That their prophets had learnt the deepest mysteries of Jewish esotericism? Show me a prophet of ‘God’ and I will show you a magician who professes belief in God. End of story.

Is that why your present day 'Men of God' sorry! 'Prophets' are busy reciting magical incantations on the heads of their congregations in the name of God? Spare me the rhetoric.



I am afraid you have a one-sided fairy-tale.

sukkot:
OK please tell us what THE DEEP SECRETS OF SATAN IS and please I need it backed up with bible verses. I have time now. my day is done and its weekend. lets dance. lol.

Sarassin:

I replied you yesterday.

analice107:

We shall dance but i have prayers by 530, wen i get back aiigt?

Sarassin:


You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to.

Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy.

Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II.

Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years?

Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you?

The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)"

You all should read your bibles properly.

analice107:

Do you mean Astrology was embedded in Catholicism or Christianity? As even their sunday service is called 'CELEBRATION OF MASS'.

If Astrology is part of Christianity the appropriate thing to do will be to post Scriptures to that effect not just mention names of an organization or individuals who in their own disobedience practiced sorcery which we as Christians are warned against.

There are Bible verse in the post you quoted, why not address them?

sukkot:
I would assume you understand the verses you posted ? let me give you an analogy. if someone named nnamdi gets into trouble, now he usually gets into lots of trouble but he is always bailed out and protected by a guy named chukwu. then one day he gets into trouble and this trouble he enters this time he cant get out off. then someone says ' nnamdi even chukwu cannot save you this time from the punishment you are about to receive. now answer me this ? is chukwu being referred to as a bad person ? well in this analogy chukwu is the astrologers. thats what the verse you are quoting means. i cant for the life of me not understand why analice107 and TheUmbra have comprehension problems. its like some people dont need to pick up the bible if they cant understand whats in it because they will go and confuse other people with their warped comprehension skills when they try to preach to others based on their failed understanding of scriptures

Sarassin:


You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to.

Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy.

Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II.

Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years?

Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you?

The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)"

You all should read your bibles properly.

analice107:

We shall dance but i have prayers by 530, wen i get back aiigt?

analice107:


The Long and short of it is that, we are standing on different River banks, that's why we see what we see differently.


TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN.

There is the Spirit of Prophecy and there's the Spirit of Divination.

If you don't know you'd believe that the spirit of divination is the spirit of Prophecy and from God.

Case in point. Simon the Magus. The magician in Acts 8:9-14. Until the truth came, everyone thought he was sent by God.

And satan was happy to be called God until God appeared.


Another case was in the Same Acts 16-16-18

And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying:

The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation.


And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour.
Acts:16:18

This girl had the Spirit of divination, the same Spirit she used in deceiving people through it making money. The same spirit false prophets and Prophetesses are using today deceiving the gullible.

The same Spirit which was a Balaam.

Sorcery is demonic