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Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 9:17am On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107: Sis, pray for me. I need deliverance from "the deep things of Satan" 1 Like |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 9:25am On Sep 15, 2017 |
sonmvayina: ET means Extra-Terrestrial, right ? And they are not from Terrestrial but Extra-territory and even Inter-dimensional too. There are others who are Terrestrial and even from alternate dimension, like animal spirit, plant spirits and even Earth bound entities. Although I do not know your connotations and what ET means to you, which you can share with me, ET means entity visiting our territory from another territory. Some are even extra-dimensional, Extra-terrestrial. Regarding Lucifer, I do not remember mentioning Lucifer though, but if you say Lucifer is a female entity, I will neither agree nor disagree, as it is the first time I am reading that. If you believe I have no right to mildly respond to insults on this forum, then I disagree with you, I am still human. 1 Like |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 10:04am On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:very simple, reincarnation refers to the flesh and Resurrection refers to the spirit. the rebuilding of a dead spirit is ressurection and the return of a spirit in a body into the earthly realm is reincarnation. 2 different concepts 1 Like |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 10:10am On Sep 15, 2017 |
MuttleyLaff:I would assume you understand the verses you posted ? let me give you an analogy. if someone named nnamdi gets into trouble, now he usually gets into lots of trouble but he is always bailed out and protected by a guy named chukwu. then one day he gets into trouble and this trouble he enters this time he cant get out off. then someone says ' nnamdi even chukwu cannot save you this time from the punishment you are about to receive. now answer me this ? is chukwu being referred to as a bad person ? well in this analogy chukwu is the astrologers. thats what the verse you are quoting means. i cant for the life of me not understand why analice107 and TheUmbra have comprehension problems. its like some people dont need to pick up the bible if they cant understand whats in it because they will go and confuse other people with their warped comprehension skills when they try to preach to others based on their failed understanding of scriptures 2 Likes |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 10:16am On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:I already told you what the deep things of satan is when i defined what the word satan is. satan is adversary. being contrary to the laws of GOD. so the deep things of satan obviously would be SIN. breaking the laws. simple and straightforward. being contrary to the laws of GOD |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 10:27am On Sep 15, 2017 |
TheUmbra: You say that Astrology is a part of sorcery, I beg to differ, actually it has been embedded in Christianity for much longer than Christians imagine. It was at the council of Laodicea that the Catholic Church outlawed astrology in Christianity and even then it was not a unanimous decision, this was the same council that outlawed the ‘shabaoth’ which was a Saturday and instead declared Sunday a day of rest, Sun -Day, the day of the planet whose rays we all wake up to. Throughout history, famous people have studied astrology and used it for several purposes. The Three Wise Men in the Bible were astrologers and deduced that a Christ would be born at a conjunction of planets, they headed westwards, gave obeisance to the baby Christ and proffered gifts, you accept their gifts and now accuse them of sorcery. In my book that is hypocrisy. Pythagoras and Sir Isaac Newton were astrologers, were they sorcerers too? Michael Scott, the famous mathematician and astrologer was tutor to the Holy Roman Emperor Frederick II. Had Moses the good sense to plot his position in reference to a star might he had crossed the Sinai in a year rather than blundering around kicking up sand for forty years? Do you think it is an accident that Christ had 12 disciples and there were 12 tribes of Israel? Do you need me to draw a picture for you? The symbolism of astrology is well and truly embedded in your scripture. Apocalypse of John 4:7: "And the first animal was like a lion (Leo), and the second animal was like a bull (Taurus), and the third animal had a face of a man (Aquarius, water bearer), and the fourth animal was like a flying eagle (ancient symbol of Scorpio)" You all should read your bibles properly. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 10:50am On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin:Do you mean Astrology was embedded in Catholicism or Christianity? As even their sunday service is called 'CELEBRATION OF MASS'. If Astrology is part of Christianity the appropriate thing to do will be to post Scriptures to that effect not just mention names of an organization or individuals who in their own disobedience practiced sorcery which we as Christians are warned against. There are Bible verse in the post you quoted, why not address them? |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 11:05am On Sep 15, 2017 |
sukkot:Are you sure it was sin in its generality that Jesus warned against? You mean telling lies, stealing, giving and taking bribe, unforgiveness, anger, jealousy, malice etc are the deep secrets of satan? Sukkot, are you Balaam? You sound like that Balaam Jesus warned us against. Here, pls let's look into this verse; Good News Translation Revelation 2:24 “But the rest of you in Thyatira have not followed this evil teaching; you have not learned what the others call ‘the deep secrets of Satan.’ I say to you that I will not put any other burden on you. Are you sure sin is the deep secret of Satan? |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 11:14am On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107: I meant that astrology which essentially is the study of heavenly bodies and their effects on our lives is embedded in your scriptures. I gave the examples of the Magi who deduced the birth of Christ by the use of astrological tools and followed a celestial object to his birthplace. I stated that astrology was outlawed in Christianity, by the Church by unilateral decision of the synod at Laodicea. I also gave examples of the use of astrological symbolisms in the NT in the Book of Revelations. In addition, there were 12 disciples, 12 Houses of Israel, that number corresponds to the zodiacal arrangements, therefore it is by design not accident. If you wanted to go deeper, you will find that the human characteristics of each of the disciples of Christ accurately mirrors the attributes of each of the 12 planetary bodies of the zodiac. |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 11:27am On Sep 15, 2017 |
sukkot:Oh Sukkot. You don't have comprehension problem, but you are deliberately dishonest because you have chosen to live in sin. Babylonians sins by practicing sorcery which is Astrology, Witchcraft, Necromancy, fortune telling, Conjuring of spirits, Practicing Magic etc, because of these sins, God brings Judgment against them. Scripture clearly condemns astrology as a practice that is “detestable to the Lord” (Deuteronomy 18:10–12). Oh my God sukkot. The Lord knew there will be people like hence this verse; Deuteronomy 18:9-12,14 Warning against Pagan Practices “When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, don't follow the disgusting practices of the nations that are there. Don't sacrifice your children in the fires on your altars; and don't let your people practice divination or look for omens or use spells or charms, and don't let them consult the spirits of the dead The Lord your God hates people who do these disgusting things, and that is why he is driving those nations out of the land as you advance. The Promise to Send a Prophet Then Moses said, “In the land you are about to occupy, people follow the advice of those who practice divination and look for omens,[/b]but the Lord your God does not allow you to do this. Deuteronomy 4:19 Do not be tempted to worship and serve what you see in the sky—the sun, the moon, and the stars. The Lord your God has given these to all other peoples for them to worship. Jeremiah:10:1-2 Hear ye the word which the LORD speaketh unto you, O house of Israel: Thus saith the LORD, [b]Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. Can we discuss these scriptures pls? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 11:30am On Sep 15, 2017 |
sukkot:TRUE, Two different concepts which applies to distinct world views. Reincarnation is for the Materialists, Those who ascribe to Astrology and other sorcery, While resurrection is for those who believe in After life. Heaven and Hell. You seem to be mixing the two concepts. |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 12:10pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin:Sir, We, the followers of Jehovah were never at anytime enjoined to study the heavenly bodies, NEVER. There are given for days and seasons that's all. We were forbidden to study them or interact with them. Deut 4:19. And, the Magi who came to Judea where not Jehovah's followers, but Astrologers from Babylon who had and read the books where Daniel prophesied about the coming of the Messiah. Those Magi were the Zoroastrians who were in Babylon long before Daniel got there. At one point, Daniel saved them from death, because they were asked to divine what the Spirits the conjure with didn't have answers to. The Zoroastrian/Astrologers held Daniel in high esteem becos they knew he operated from a different frequency than their's. They watched all his prophesies came to pass. And, pls note that, these Astrologers were and are not just studying the signs of time for studying sake, they were, and are still looking for something bigger than most men can understand and most will deny. The Prophecy given by Jehovah in the Garden of Eden after the Fall. A Son was promised. Satan is not all knowing, hence he has to monitor events to keep in touch. He needed to know when the Promised Son will be born. A prophecy of a Son who will bruise Satan's head was given in Eden. Prophets talked about him, but never gave dates and time line, Satan and his Star gazers, his future prognosticators were at a loss there, but Daniel came giving a time line and events which will take place around that time. He even mention the location were the Son will be born. The Babylonian Zoroastrians kept taps from generation to generation after Daniel, raising men to follow the watch until it happened, they came and worship, presenting very Spiritually significant gifts which connoted Jesus' mission on earth. They knew who he was. The King of kings. They first called him King, note that, it wasn't by mistake. Here is why the Magi came to Jerusalem. 'When will their Master Satan, have his own uninterrupted time on earth to rule? was their main objective and motive behind their journey to Judea. They came to see and confirm that the Son was indeed born, because that will mean the reign of their Master was near. The Coming of the Magi was in three folds. 1. They confirmed that 'He' (the son that was promised) was indeed born. 2. They came to stir the government of the day to kill the son which was to bruise the head of satan. How do l know? Look at this, They were sorcerers, they get led by their stars every time and everywhere. A star brought them to Judea all the way from Babylon, but when they got to Judea, instead of proceeding to Bethlehem where they knew Jesus was, they ignored their star and went to ask Herod the whereabout of Jesus. Herod didn't know, because He wasn't interested in 'The Son who was Promised'. On coming out they found their star still waiting for them, which continued and led them to Bethlehem. The question is, Why did they go to Herod instead of following the star to Bethlehem straight? The answer is, 'So that Herod could be moved to kill the child, which he did indeed tried to do. They even incited Herod by calling Jesus 'King of the Jews'. Implying Jesus' opposition to the throne. 3. The third reason they came was to try and subtly plant Astrology into the 'Way' which the Son shall establish. We see that in Catholicism today. They call it, 'The Star of Jesus'. Satan is crafty, but we catch him. |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 12:22pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin:Sir, Astrology was never there in the first place. If you insist pls Post Scriptures which enjoins us to practice it and i will give you scriptures which for bits us from doing so. The coming of the Magi tried to subtly plant it, but no, the Spirit of God revealed it. For that was what Jesus Christ warned the Thyatiran Church against in Revelation 2:24. STAY AWAY FROM SORCERY, STAY AWAY FROM THE SECRETS OF SATAN. |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 12:29pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
onyenze123:You know my joy? If you don't repent and you die in your sins, you will remember everything you hear here and make fun of, and you'd wish you took me serious. I had wanted to ignore you, but that you may know. Your memory shall return to you, for with them, you shall stand to account for how you spent what was bestowed into your care, TIME. |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 12:49pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107: I have nowhere stated that you are enjoined to practice astrology, what I have said is that astrology is not sorcery and it has formed a huge part of scripture, there is a difference. I think you are simply rewriting the bible and colouring it with your personal bias. In any event it is medicine after death, the horse has already bolted. The astrological construct of scripture is plain for all to see, the symbolism is not even hidden, therefore when you say that astrology is sorcery then by implication you are also saying that biblical writers practised sorcery because they clearly and overtly made use of its symbolisms this is not disputed. The issue is one of hypocrisy on the part of religion. When others practise these arts you all name them sorcery, necromancy, fortune telling, e.t.c, yet when biblical characters do it you all call it something else! What do you think the Prophet Isaiah was practising when he foretold the future? What do you think Elijah was practising when he called down fire from the skies to consume the captain and his fifty men? Or the same Elijah for that matter, borne aloft the chariots of fire? You say Jesus died and resurrected, so all those who supposedly saw and conversed with him after his death were practising what exactly? The Apostle Paul performed a couple of miracles here and there and today he is regarded as a saint, Simon performed even greater miracles but because he was not a Christian he was termed a ‘Magus’ or a sorcerer and stories were concocted to pit him against Peter and Paul. These definitions are entirely subjective therefore people who live in glass houses should not throw stones 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 2:07pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin:If there's no where it is stated that we, the followers of Jehovah are enjoined to practice Astrology/Sorcery, but there are various scriptures forbidding us from practicing such Arts, what does that then tell you? How did Sorcery form a Hugh part of Christianity when we are forbidden from being part of it? Can't you see that you are assuming things? Sarassin:Personal bias? Wow. I have not quoted half of the scriptures which stands against astrology, not half. Where will my own bias come in when there tons of scriptures screaming for us to leave satanism alone? Sir, i have no bias here. Sarassin:By, 'the horse has already bolted', you mean no way of coming out of this? Sir, i'm not here advocating that you guys who are in should come out, No, i'm interested letting the lazy who can't find out the truth for themselves to know that what is being propagated here are lies. If there are Astrological Symbolisms in the Scriptures, it's because you see what you want to see. You should know that what ever satan is doing today are counterfeits of divinity. Satan has no original or anything. The Holy Spirit says, 'The scripture is a double edged sword,'. It can prune you or cut you off, depends on how you handle it. Sarassin:Pls sir, who are the others you are referring to? Do you mean others who work outside of the tenets and ordinances of God? Others who have decided to go their way as opposed to the dictates of Him who created them? Are you referring to others who feel they are to knowledgeable, to wise, to follow and take instructions from Yahweh? Well, those others are rebels. Sarassin:What did you call them? Prophets! Yes, that was what they were, prophets of God. And, they never spoke their words, they were never conjurers. They were never necromancers, They never called up any Spirit to help them with any message. They never foretold what was not given to them by Jehovah. They never said 'I', They always said 'Thus says the Lord'. They never looked into any object to give their messages. They never went on astral projections to get information, They never took a certain sitting positions chanting tantras or Chakras to get into the spirit realm, They never took breathing exercises to ease off tension or attain ecstasy to get in touch with the spiritual. They simple was told what to say. No rigours, no initiation into anything. Sarassin: That is why Yahweh remains the Supreme/ Sovereign authority. He rules in the army of heaven and amongst the inhabitants of the earth, and no man can say to Him, what are you doing? I know satan is still puzzled by Elijah's bodily ascension. He must have tried to counterfeit it to no avail. You see? There's a prophecy that Elijah and Moses won't die until the Anti-Christ comes. That prophecy must be fulfilled in it's time, hence that happened. Sir, if Jesus' Apostles had tried to invoke the spirit of Jesus on the second day of his burial, that would have amounted to necromancy, but they didn't, Jesus resurrected bodily from the dead, he walked and talked with his people, he ate and drank with his people. He was with them 40 days before finally returning to heaven. Pls tell me any Spirit the necromancers ever invoked who lived, walked, talked, ate and drank with living people? Pls differentiate between the Familia Spirit which the Witch of Endor Invoked for King Saul and The Resurrected Jesus. How long did that Spirit stay with Saul and how long did Jesus stay with His disciples? And, do you remember that for the act, Saul was punished with death? Sarassin:Who Empowered Paul to perform the miracles? And, who empowered Simon to performed which greater Miracles? I can't recall, pls help me here. Sir, you just admitted here that Paul and Simon didn't get their powers from the same source. If Simon was such a great Miracle worker as you say, why did he attempt to buy the Holy Spirit[/b]so that he could perform the same kind of Miracles like the Apostles? [b]Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done. Acts:8:13 This was a man who performed greater miracles,(according to you) wondering at the wonders performed by the disciples. Simon was a sorcerer who had bewitched and cast spells on people, until redemption came, he was exposed as a satanist. My good sir, We live in glass houses that is why we see clearly to call out deception. |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 3:18pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107: No, there are no assumptions here. I gave you the instances of astrological use in the scriptures. Their use is not in dispute, you simply fail to make a basic distinction. analice107: Again, no. The horse has already bolted because the bible itself employs astrological imagery, biblical scholars far more erudite than you or I have consistently pointed these out, this is what led to the Synod of Laodicea. Whether you choose to acknowledge these or not is of no relevance. It should be clear by now that some biblical writers did not consider astrology as sorcery. analice107: Very funny! And you know this how? did they personally ring you and disclose this to you or do you somewhere have an infancy gospel of Prophet Elijah detailing his spiritual background? And what exactly do you expect bible compilers to write? That their prophets had learnt the deepest mysteries of Jewish esotericism? Show me a prophet of ‘God’ and I will show you a magician who professes belief in God. End of story. Is that why your present day 'Men of God' sorry! 'Prophets' are busy reciting magical incantations on the heads of their congregations in the name of God? Spare me the rhetoric. analice107: I am afraid you have a one-sided fairy-tale. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The Middle Path by princy80(m): 3:49pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin, please do well to check your mailbox. I've tried to contact you. |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 4:19pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
princy80:I replied you yesterday. |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 4:39pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:You are confused. i suggest you check up the etymology of both words. 1 Like |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 4:40pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:I cant handle long posts lol. summarise please |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 4:42pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:OK please tell us what THE DEEP SECRETS OF SATAN IS and please I need it backed up with bible verses. I have time now. my day is done and its weekend. lets dance. lol. |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 4:55pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin: The Long and short of it is that, we are standing on different River banks, that's why we see what we see differently. TO WHOM IT MAY CONCERN. There is the Spirit of Prophecy and there's the Spirit of Divination. If you don't know you'd believe that the spirit of divination is the spirit of Prophecy and from God. Case in point. Simon the Magus. The magician in Acts 8:9-14. Until the truth came, everyone thought he was sent by God. And satan was happy to be called God until God appeared. Another case was in the Same Acts 16-16-18 And it came to pass, as we went to prayer, a certain damsel possessed with a spirit of divination met us, which brought her masters much gain by soothsaying: The same followed Paul and us, and cried, saying, These men are the servants of the most high God, which shew unto us the way of salvation. And this did she many days. But Paul, being grieved, turned and said to the spirit, I command thee in the name of Jesus Christ to come out of her. And he came out the same hour. Acts:16:18 This girl had the Spirit of divination, the same Spirit she used in deceiving people through it making money. The same spirit false prophets and Prophetesses are using today deceiving the gullible. The same Spirit which was a Balaam. Sorcery is demonic |
Re: The Middle Path by analice107: 4:59pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
sukkot:We shall dance but i have prayers by 530, wen i get back aiigt? |
Re: The Middle Path by princy80(m): 5:00pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin:just checked it now. Thanks. |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 5:02pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:yeah you better come correct too lol. no long posts either lmao. keep it under 7 lines max. unless of course you want to pay me by the hour for reading long posts. |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 5:15pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin:well said. the bolded. the 3 wise men were astrologers, daniel was an astrologer, king solomon was an astrologer. lmao. in fact the CROSS used in christianity is an astrology symbol called THE GRAND CROSS. in fact not just the bolded but all the post was on point. |
Re: The Middle Path by sukkot: 5:24pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107: rev 12 vs 1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: job 38 vs 31 Canst thou bind the sweet influences of Pleiades, or loose the bands of Orion? <<<< YOU DO KNOW PLAEIDES IS A STAR CLUSTER IN TAURUS AND ORION IS A CONSTELLATION AMOS 5 VS 8 He who made the Pleiades and Orion, and turns deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into nigh JOB 9 VS 9 Who made the Bear and Orion, the Pleiades and the chambers of the south; << THE BEAR IS URSA MAJOR CONSTELLATION AND ORION THE HUNTER AND PLEAIDES THE SEVEN SISTERS |
Re: The Middle Path by TheUmbra: 5:50pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
sukkot: I don't usually join words with your kind in religious matters. You strut about here with the wisdom of theology and you dabble into scripture with the arrogance of a young bird fascinated by the vastness of the heavenly. You're a fool at best. And a potential wizard at worst. |
Re: The Middle Path by TheUmbra: 6:20pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
Sarassin: Oh, please! Spare me your heretic baloney! Go back to the rudiments, dust off your old journals. You have to demonstrate enough intelligence that distinguishes astronomy from astrology before you begin your heretic pontification. |
Re: The Middle Path by princy80(m): 6:25pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:ma, I've got a questions for you. Who will make heaven? |
Re: The Middle Path by Nobody: 6:40pm On Sep 15, 2017 |
analice107:so am bored at work just wondering why pastors and people possessed with spirit of divination don't engage in such power clash anymore or is it that Yahweh of this age has better things to do? maybe you can't start by casting out the spirit of divination in sarassin and sukkot I think they possess the spirit 1 Like 1 Share |
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