dblackninja:

Come on...what you wrote doesn't show that heaven is enjoyable...It kinda sound lonely.
The bolded showed that you have been to heaven..What happened? Why were you kicked out? You enveloped yourself with bad deeds in your former life?

If I consider how some people carry on with life, I must say I must say I am nearer Apeere than most and I will never retrogress.

lawani:
If I consider how some people carry on with life, I must say I must say I am nearer Apeere than most and I will never retrogress.

Oh nice
Errm..but u didn't answer the question? You have been to heaven before, so what happened? Or was it in a dream?

dblackninja:

Oh nice
Errm..but u didn't answer the question? You have been to heaven before, so what happened? Or was it in a dream?

I cant remember all that has happened to me even in this incarnation not to talk of other incarnation or in heaven but i gather some people have that power

lawani:
I cant remember all that has happened to me even in this incarnation not to talk of other incarnation or in heaven but i gather some people have that power

Lol..okay..but one thing is clear. You were chased back because your past life (which you can't remember, nor have evidence of) was filled with atrocities
I can see that you are still committing some of them (hence, you are not yet Apeere), showing that you don't want to enter into Olodumare's heaven because it's boring, no?

dblackninja:

Lol..okay..but one thing is clear. You were chased back because your past life (which you can't remember, nor have evidence of) was filled with atrocities
I can see that you are still committing some of them (hence, you are not yet Apeere), showing that you don't want to enter into Olodumare's heaven because it's boring, no?

Olodumare can send an ori Apeere to earth if situation warrants such.

lawani:
Olodumare can send an ori Apeere to earth if situation warrants such.

I guess you weren't sent, no?

dblackninja:

I guess you weren't sent, no?

I am playing the cards dealt me in life to the best of my ability. You?

lawani:
I am playing the cards dealt me in life to the best of my ability. You?

I make choices and deal with them accordingly. Am not dancing to anyone's tune.
What if I told you that you're in control of your 52 cards? That no one but you is dealing them? That everything happening in your life is not by design. That you're in fact the captain & in total control of your ship..?

dblackninja:

I make choices and deal with them accordingly. Am not dancing to anyone's tune.
What if I told you that you're in control of your 52 cards? That no one but you is dealing them? That everything happening in your life is not by design. That you're in fact the captain & in total control of your ship..?

My Ori or head is in control of whatever happens to me, good or bad. That is why my ori is my chief deity that I worship. If I want to die young i might be born during an epidemic. if i want to be US President, i will be born a US citizen. Some of my destiny are malleable while others are not. YOU ARE NOT IN TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR DESTINY OR OF ANYTHING AT ALL! but you can play your cards well by being fair to all human beings you encounter

lawani:
My Ori or head is in control of whatever happens to me, good or bad. That is why my ori is my chief deity that I worship. If I want to die young i might be born during an epidemic. if i want to be US President, i will be born a US citizen. Some of my destiny are malleable while others are not. YOU ARE NOT IN TOTAL CONTROL OF YOUR DESTINY OR OF ANYTHING AT ALL! but you can play your cards well by being fair to all human beings you encounter

Is there even anything like destiny? Anyway let's go with that..
Okay let's say you become a thief tomorrow or you are already a thief, was it your deity that made you to be so?? Since you're not in control of anything but your deity, who I understand is the architect of your life.

dblackninja:

Is there even anything like destiny? Anyway let's go with that..
Okay let's say you become a thief tomorrow or you are already a thief, was it your deity that made you to be so?? Since you're not in control of anything but your deity, who I understand is the architect of your life.

It is my head ori that determines all. it is the architect of my life. i am in control of how i respond to issues but even at that i respond with my head.

lawani:
It is my head ori that determines all. it is the architect of my life. i am in control of how i respond to issues but even at that i respond with my head.

Wait let me get something clear...
Your ori determines your past, present and future. Your are in control of the issues it determines for you & yet you respond towards what your ori determined for you
Meeen this doesn't make sense..how can you be in control and at the same time not in control?

dblackninja:

Wait let me get something clear...
Your ori determines your past, present and future. Your are in control of the issues it determines for you & yet you respond towards what your ori determined for you
Meeen this doesn't make sense..how can you be in control and at the same time not in control?

You Are not in control of the issues that come your way but only of how you respond. You Need to be in constant communion with your ori, that is what you are doing when you consult the ifa oracle. Your Ori Is the super you that knows things about you which you do not, then i am only a student of yoruba theology still. you can research more on your own.

lawani:
You Are not in control of the issues that come your way but only of how you respond. You Need to be in constant communion with your ori, that is what you are doing when you consult the ifa oracle. Your Ori Is the super you, then i am only a student of yoruba theology still. you can research more on your own.

If you are not in control of how things goes in your life, then how can your response be of your own accord?
Now, if your deity says you will be a thief, can your response change that?

dblackninja:

If you are not in control of how things goes in your life, then how can your response be of your own accord?
Now, if your deity says you will be a thief, can your response change that?

Isnt It basic common sense that you dont determine how people treat you but only how you respond? If Your ori says you will be a thief then you cant stop it, you will cooperate with your ori

lawani:
Isnt It basic common sense that you dont determine how people treat you but only how you respond? If Your ori says you will be a thief then you cant stop it, you will cooperate with your ori

Actually brother, you determine how people treat you. It can be the way you behave, talk, or even the way you dress, walk, smell etc.
Okay now we're getting somewhere. Since you're saying that if your deity says that you will be a thief, you can't influence it (showing destiny) then I believe we can opine that there's nothing like bad deeds. Since every deed being done was orchestrated by the Supreme deity. A thief has no choice but to follow the script written for him. A murderer has no choice but to dance to the tune of the deity...
In short the concept of heaven will be null since the role everyone is playing was already pre-determined.

dblackninja:

Actually brother, you determine how people treat you. It can be the way you behave, talk, or even the way you dress, walk, smell etc.
Okay now we're getting somewhere. Since you're saying that if your deity says that you will be a thief, you can't influence it (showing destiny) then I believe we can opine that there's nothing like bad deeds. Since every deed being done was orchestrated by the Supreme deity. A thief has no choice but to follow the script written for him. A murderer has no choice but to dance to the tune of the deity...
In short the concept of heaven will be null since the role everyone is playing was already pre-determined.

If your ori leads you, thats your ori and not Olodumare. You Cant blame the supreme deity for that. then you dont determine how people treat you, their ori determines how they respond to whatever you do, not you!

lawani:
If your ori leads you, thats your ori and not Olodumare. You Cant blame the supreme deity for that. then you dont determine how people treat you, their ori determines how they respond to whatever you do, not you!

Lol...remember we are talking about the concept of destiny which you believe in. What is destiny & who assigns it?

dblackninja:

Lol...remember we are talking about the concept of destiny which you believe in. What is destiny & who assigns it?

Your Destiny is determined by the super you, your ori

lawani:
Your Destiny is determined by the super you, your ori

Lol..super you is still you right & not a deity (let's call it your spirit). Because you said before & I quote: "That is why my ori is my chief deity that I worship". That was what I was acting on.
So how can you (your inner self) possibly determine your own destiny? Again I will like you to state what is destiny like I asked earlier.

If I take that by destiny you mean choices, then I will quote what I said earlier:

I make choices and deal with them accordingly. Am not dancing to anyone's tune.
What if I told you that you're in control of your 52 cards? That no one but you is dealing them? That everything happening in your life is not by design. That you're in fact the captain & in total control of your ship..?

You/your spirit/inner -self/super you (or whatever) is in control of the choices you make & not some non-existent deity.

dblackninja:

Lol..super you is still you right & not a deity (let's call it your spirit). Because you said before & I quote: "That is why my ori is my chief deity that I worship". That was what I was acting on.
So how can you (your inner self) possibly determine your own destiny? Again I will like you to state what is destiny like I asked earlier.

If I take that by destiny you mean choices, then I will quote what I said earlier:
You/your spirit/inner -self/super you (or whatever) is in control of the choices you make & not some non-existent deity.

Pls Google Ayanmo, Akunleyan, Kadara Etc. I am not an expert.

lawani:
Pls Google Ayanmo, Akunleyan, Kadara Etc. I am not an expert.

Oh okay. I see they mean predestination (called ákàrákà by Igbo people). Which is what we have been discussing.
Look at an excerpt I picked: "Kadara may be alterable depending on one’s faith, the Yoruba religion believes predestination isn’t changeable other than to exploit it as there is always light at the end of the tunnel."

So which one is it? Changeable or unchangeable? But remember that we're using Olodumare/a supreme deity as a reference point. If you say it's changeable, then it is no longer destiny. If you say it's unchangeable then the concept of good & bad deeds no longer applies, which in essence means that Olodumare's conditions for heaven is meaningless, as everyone should be there.

Anyway let's leave it here as you're just following the footsteps of your people.

dblackninja:

Oh okay. I see they mean predestination (called ákàrákà by Igbo people). Which is what we have been discussing.
Look at an excerpt I picked: "Kadara may be alterable depending on one’s faith, the Yoruba religion believes predestination isn’t changeable other than to exploit it as there is always light at the end of the tunnel."

So which one is it? Changeable or unchangeable? But remember that we're using Olodumare/a supreme deity as a reference point. If you say it's changeable, then it is no longer destiny. If you say it's unchangeable then the concept of good & bad deeds no longer applies, which in essence means that Olodumare's conditions for heaven is meaningless, as everyone should be there.

Anyway let's leave it here as you're just following the footsteps of your people.

I believe we live in a matrix but that does not mean there is no good or bad. An ori Apeere or someone moving towards Apeere can never be caught doing something they cant defend.

lawani:
I believe we live in a matrix but that does not mean there is no good or bad. An ori Apeere or someone moving towards Apeere can never be caught doing something they cant defend.

If destiny is a thing, there can never be good or bad because you won't have a choice. You will be doing things as you were programmed to do it.

If destiny is not involved, then it is good to aspire to be good

dblackninja:

If destiny is a thing, there can never be good or bad because you won't have a choice. You will be doing things as you were programmed to do it.

If destiny is not involved, then it is good to aspire to be good

Do Your Best regardless of destiny and you will have the best result. Dont rest on your oars. Use Your ori or head

lawani:
Do Your Best regardless of destiny and you will have the best result. Dont rest on your oars. Use Your ori or head

Now this is nice.. Do your best & not trying to please anyone.
Have you watched AY's comedy "use your head" I hope that is not what you mean

dblackninja:

Now this is nice.. Do your best & not trying to please anyone.
Have you watched AY's comedy "use your head" I hope that is not what you mean

No Not AY Just be fair to others and you will be surprised at the destiny you will have

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