hahn:


It is still in need then

The Sun does not need us to trust it to shine, it just does

bloodofthelamb:
YOU ARE RIGHT...CHRIST JESUS IS THE SUN OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, EVER SHINING BUT WE ARE LIKE THE MOON...WE DEPEND ON HIM FOR OUR LIGHT...I PRAY YOU GET IT

dalaman:


God according to the story needed a terbancle that will serve as a dwelling place for him and he told the people to contribute things and build one for him something that clearly shows that he is nedy and not self sufficient because if he was swld sufficient he'll provide it for himself. Why you are redefining and trying to rewrite what was stated clearly is what I fail to understand. Na wah oo.

butterflylion:



God asked that they take from what HE HAS PROVIDED AS EL SHADAI OR ALL SUFFICIENT one to build the tabernacle with it so he could dwell with them IN THEIR MIDST.

he wanted this so they would have a visual attachment to whom He is especially after their act of building the golden calf in the absence of Moses.

Keep on desperately trying to keep your OP afloat.

The thing don sink tipe tipe

You use your own hand tie bags of cement join your leg come jump enter river now you are struggling to stay afloat even as you are already sinking.

Your OP has been trashed! Get over it.

dalaman:


An all sufficient God will not need anything from anyonebecause he is self sufficient. That he needs them to provide for him something even based on what he has given them clearly shows that he isn't self sufficient but needy. A self sufficient God needs nothing, this one needs sacrifice and likes the smell of burning flesh.

butterflylion:


An all sufficient or EL SHADAI God would FIRST provide for his own and then has the right to tell them what to do with HIS PROVISION.

I am sure you remember where I explained what EL SHADAI meant. If you have forgotten it kindly revisit and save yourself this painful embarrasment your deceptive OP is causing you.

dalaman:


Mr spinner. An all sufficient God will provide what ever he needs for him self at ALL times. If he needs a terbancle he'll build it for himself. He will not be asking people to give him burnt offerings because he likes the smell of burning flesh. Only a needy God acts that way.

butterflylion:


An all sufficient EL SHADAI God already has everything but only needs to now provide for those who do not have. This was why he had to first make provision for the children of Israel before asking that they build the tabernacle.

Suddenly you are no longer saying God wanted the tithes for himself but have now shifted to the tabernacle which truth you first wanted to hide by cherry picking scriptures.

Your OP began by deceptively accusing God of demanding tithes for himself and after I ripped that to shreds you now shifted to tabernacle and after I also ripped that to shreds by giving you why this was demanded you are now holding on to nothing else but your monotonous echo of "Mr spinner" and "An all sufficient God would not need bla bla bla" .

In order to help your embarrassing situation calmly replace ALL SUFFICIENT with EL SHADAI. I am sure it is English that is disgracing you like this

JackBizzle:
"Butterflylion" is a spelling error.

It was actually meant to be ButterflyLying.

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Mr lie lie spinner. A God that demands sacrifice and is said to like the smell of burning flesh is a nedey God. That he needs them to build the tabernacle for him makes him NOT self sufficient but needy

Where does tithe appear or is mentioned in the OP Mr lie lie? There is a reason why I don't usually bother with your meaningless commentary and long epistles. You did not rip anything to shreds Mr lie lie. You only lied your way through by spinning and giving me you own personal opinion and interpretation that remains yours alone.

dalaman: 11:25am On Sep 18


Many pastors that speak on behalf of God say that all the time and they say that God told them to say it. Even in the scriptures God still says that people rob him in tithe and offering.

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings".

I want to know how an all sufficient God will need people to give him anything in the first place
God according to the story was in need of a terbancle and asked the peopleto build one for him. He neeeded animal sacrifice and told the people to offer them to him.because he likes the smell of burning flesh. Only a needy God does that.

I am.using English and you are speaking Hebrew. Na wah ooo. El Shadai indeed.

JackBizzle:
"Butterflylion" is a spelling error.

It was actually meant to be ButterflyLying.

butterflylion:
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Stick to your OP. The thread is about God asking the children of Israel to bring to him offerings and tithes and you later shifted to contributions which I had to open up to you and everyone that it was meant for the tabernacle. Your can lie for Linus.

[/quote]Do you see why I say you are a deceptive lying Dala the Gala? You posted the OP and I asked you for scriptural evidence to your claim and you immediately posted from Malachi 3: 8. This was your quote]

Was that not your own comment? Now you are lying and denying that you mentioned tithes in the OP

Was this Malachi 3: 8 not the basis for your OP? When I asked for the basis for your OP you posted Malachi 3: 8 Abi no be so Mr liar Dala the Gala.

[[b]Twist it any way you please. The fact is that God was not in need of a tabernacle. [/b]The people were in need of a tangible presence of God which was evident in their construction of the golden calf so God did just that by giving them something they could SEE (the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night) and a place where the high priest could go into and commune with God rather than climbing up a mountain and then exposing them to further doubt and another strange desire which was what happened when Moses left then and went up Sinai.

So you do not know that the expression ALL SUFFICIENT ONE mentioned in Genesis 17: 1 was simply EL SHADAI?

no wonder your mumuism and confusion has been on autopilot all this while

dalaman:


[s]The OP is conscise, clear and straight to the point. Why will an all sufficient God request for things from people and allow people use his name to beg? I repeat an all sufficient God will not request for anything from anyone because he is self sufficient. If he needs a terbancle he'll provide one for himself. That he depends on people and ask themto build one for him shows he isn't self sufficient but needy.[/s]


Do you see why I say you are a deceptive lying Dala the Gala? You posted the OP and I asked you for scriptural evidence to your claim and you immediately posted from Malachi 3: 8. This was your quote]

[s]Stop being dishonest. Where does the word tithe appear in the OP Mr lie lie. The OP didn't talk about tithe but made a general comment. I gave tithe just as an example. I could have used animal sacrifice instead. The tithe example was just one of out the many.
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Was that not your own comment? Now you are lying and denying that you mentioned tithes in the OP

Was this Malachi 3: 8 not the basis for your OP? When I asked for the basis for your OP you posted Malachi 3: 8 Abi no be so Mr liar Dala the Gala.

[s]Where does the word tithe appear in the OP Mr lie lie? Tithe wasn't the only basis for the OP. The request for sacrifice is also.part of it. The request to build a terbancle, the request to be worshipped and praised etc are all part of it. Only a needyGod requirs and demands for such things. You only chose to dwell on tithe and run your meaningless commentary on it.[/s]


[[b]Twist it any way you please. The fact is that God was not in need of a tabernacle. [/b]The people were in need of a tangible presence of God which was evident in their construction of the golden calf so God did just that by giving them something they could SEE (the pillar of cloud by day and the pillar of fire by night) and a place where the high priest could go into and commune with God rather than climbing up a mountain and then exposing them to further doubt and another strange desire which was what happened when Moses left then and went up Sinai.

[s]Your lie lie spin says that God is not in need of a terbancle , but according to the bible God needed one and told the people to offer things and build it for him. I'll go with what was written in the bible and not your shameless lie lie spin.[/s]




So you do not know that the expression ALL SUFFICIENT ONE mentioned in Genesis 17: 1 was simply EL SHADAI?

no wonder your mumuism and confusion has been on autopilot all this while

I have already given you the English meaning of self sufficient. You can keep making things up as usual Mr lie lie spinner.

dalaman: 7:27pm On Sep 17
If God is Self-sufficient, why would money always be solicited on his behalf?

Why will a God request for things from humans if he is all sufficient? Only the needy request for things, no?

Why does the all sufficient sound and behave in such a very needy manner?

dalaman:


What's this?

An alleged all sufficient God begs people for money and says they rob him because they refuse to give him.
How is he all sufficient?

Can you back up your claims with evidence scripturally?

I need to see where God begs people for money where he says they "rob him because they refuse to give to him" and then we would discuss it from there.

dalaman: 11:25am On Sep 18


Many pastors that speak on behalf of God say that all the time and they say that God told them to say it. Even in the scriptures God still says that people rob him in tithe and offering.

"Will a mere mortal rob God? Yet you rob me. "But you ask, 'How are we robbing you?' "In tithes and offerings".

I want to know how an all sufficient God will need people to give him anything in the first place.

butterflylion:


You should be the one to think about it and not I. I believe through evidential faith that God exists but you don't.

He is not speaking to you through me. His word existed long before I did and if you reject that, then is it me you would accept?

You say God KNOWS you cannot believe in common confused humans right?

Tell that to the over 2 billion Christians worldwide who listened and believed what came from the same man you called "common and Confused".

frank317:

You believe in God by faith and you want me to take you serious... even your God is obviously not serious.


His words exists where? I have only been hearing it through humans? have u ever preached to anyone?


yes


ya right, going by that I should also be a Muslim... since you know there are over 2billion Muslims worldwide, why are u also not a Muslim?

hahn:

Use your brain and maybe you will get it

hahn:


Use your brain and maybe you will get it

butterflylion:


Is anyone stopping you from becoming a Muslim since you feel we are talking about Islam and not Christianity

Based on your comment in bold, remind me again that you are not getting married to a Christian lady soon (whose God is obviously not serious)

frank317:

and he goes taking off point...i am not surprised the point is lost on you. well, just tryng to let you know that pointing me to billions of Christians who believe in what their fellow men talk about a supposedly existent God was baseless.



Yes, her God is not serious? I have reminded you... is it itching u to insult my person? I see no reason for u to mention my lady here?

butterflylion:
[/b]

This was your rather pathetic OP below



Then based on a response to your OP by Goodmuyis you said the below



Note your words in red and based on this i then asked you my questions below



You then replied by quoting the below



Note that your OP mentioned that money was being solicited ON BEHALF OF GOD.

Any simpleton already knows you were refering to tithes from malachi but i chose to deliberately ask you for this proof and you confirmed it by posting malachi 3: 8 in support of your OP.

Every comment you made up till when i asked for scriptural proof were comments based on malachi and it was after i trashed that , you then moved deceptively to exodus and Deuteronomy which was you now talking about God asking for contributions for himself which i also trashed by showing you that it was meant for the people and the tabernacle.

Liar liar dala the gala you can lie for linus

By the way you said you gave me the English meaning of all sufficient so let me ask you, were the scriptures translated from English to English? Since you say i am talking about Hebrew so were the scriptures translated from English to English?

butterflylion:


You are the one talking off point as this entire thread is lost on you. I see no reason for you to refer me to Islam when this thread has nothing to do with that. Stop derailing!

When you were childishly telling the entire Nairaland your family history and family tree and your wedding date without anybody soliciting such information from you you no know Abi?

frank317:

Abegi... 2billion people following Christianity does not mean I should see it as authentic afterall u have rejected other Religions despite them having 2billion followers.
Your God cannot need humans to talk to people about him and not expect people like me to be skeptical about his existence

butterflylion:


Oga stop talking to me about Islam on a thread that talks about God and the tabernacle!

If you do not know what derailing or goalpost shifting means please look it up.

frank317:


Have fun proving ur God needs nothing bro... When infact he has, from your holy book to his pastor messengers, turned himself to a begger...

Begging for worship,
Begging for attention
Begging for money
Begging for his word to be spread
Begging for love
Begging for respect
Begging for praise
Begging for blood
Begging for help to build his tabanacle

Unfortunately, he won't get any from me

bloodofthelamb:
I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST

Niflheim:
@Dalaman

In Genesis 8:20-22, he required a burnt offering of every clean beast(like a Bulgarain Butcher in a Sudanese suya spot)!!!

He even asked an American pastor to give raise him a certain amount of cash or the pastor will die(Madagascan Mafia)?

hahn:


I have the mind of Tony Stark. So?

butterflylion:


Does God exist? Have you heard him begging before?

frank317:


You are not that smart are you?

Your God does not exist to me... The only reason why we are having this conversation is because you think he does...

What a silly question...smh

butterflylion:


You are not smart are you?

Since you believe God does not exist "to you" why initiate a talk about a non existent God "to you " with one who says God exists? Are you having doubts about his non existence?

It should be me who says God exists that should be the initiator of talking about him with you.

Why do you wish to talk about what does not exist? Are you being delusional?

Yes in fact you are being terribly delusional

For something not to exist it means IT WAS NEVER EVER THERE AND CAN NEVER EVER BE THERE. So why are you so bothered about something that was never ever there to begin with and can never ever be there?

Do you need a psychiatrist?