EMW01:
Porn magazines, drugs and alcohol discovered in Alshabab camp in Boni forest

Covert1:


Meaningless.

IbnSultaan:

Go n sleep jorr
In fact there is possibility of actions to be taken against finance origin of IPOB funds . which is in France

61mech:
Our doctrine is/was also heavily influenced by logistics. The heavier your get, the more trucks you need in your echelon and the more your rely on engineering ,mechanics etc. Our logistics were heavily stressed in 88/89. The infrastructure in Africa also comes into play. Bridges and roads can only take so much weight.

Same issue with up gunning Rooikat to 105/120mm. You have less rounds on board and thus become more reliant on your log. tail catching up. Similar to having a smaller fuel tank.

giles14:
sharrap der.
fanatic

jln115:

Exactly!! that's what I mentioned earlier!! how many African countries truly have the logistics to transport a material number of tanks 1000s of kilometres?

That's what I mentioned earlier when we were talking about a hypothetical invasion attempt of SA by an Egyptian strength foe for example, yes Egypt has over a 1000s tanks but considering they only have about 200 tank AND artillery transports that would obviously mean that most of the tanks and tracked artillery would need to be driven long distances, considering the track life is more or less 400km for an Abrams that would mean they would have to replace tracks on a daily basis, which would all of a sudden mean you would need even more logistics and a sh1t load of money!!

IMO unless you are NATO, Russia or China, using tanks in SSA over long and hard terrain is simply to expensive and to much of a logistical nightmare!!. Correct me if im wrong but during the battle of cuito cuanavale there were only about 40 odd combined SADF and UNITA tanks vs over 150 FAPLA T55/62 tanks!!

giles14:
sharrap der.
fanatic

newafricaken254:
i doubt most were T55/62 Tanks considering the numerous T-34's south Africans captured or destroyed

newafricaken254:
i doubt most were T55/62 Tanks considering the numerous T-34's south Africans captured or destroyed

newafricaken254:
angola air force mig 21 pilot back in the 70's

Covert1:


Nonsense.

newafricaken254:
i doubt most were T55/62 Tanks considering the numerous T-34's south Africans captured or destroyed

ActivateKruger:


WTF? This guy is a legend

Nicheey:



okay ,to begin with I'm not even near "patriotic"
second I never said we had the best air defence system Nigeria is over

923,768 km²


there's no way France could raid our airspace completely like the person i quoted stated ,without having their jet shot down

France has over 2billion investment in Nigeria ,compare to any francophones nations around ,why would they want to risk that over mere cameroon?

if France is stupid enough to back France ,then Nigeria will just slip to Russia for backing ,after all most of our military hardwares comes from Russia ,and also special forces

finally Nigeria is in peace time (I mean no external aggression with her neighbors) before the insurgency and after you'll see Nigeria military has acquired a way too many hardwares ,strict trainings and others ,that's just how it is ,why hunt when there's no animals to he hunted??

where was France when general buhari pursue tchadians deep into their capital?? 1983

or when Nigerian battalion March into Yaoundé during abacha's regime??

Nigeria military possessions are enough for now ,if the needs arises I'm sure you'll see Nigeria acquiring hard wares like the days of Nigeria -Cameroon's dispute over bakassi

My opinion though

andrewza:




If it is nonsense say why, I can back up all my points with facts real world examples and facts. Yet because it goes against your naritive you say it is nonsense.

Covert1:


Good response. Exactly what I anticipated from one who'd be intellectual in reason. I'd love to see your hypothetical war projections between Nigeria and France. You may give a detailed analysis on my page: African States - International Relations And Regional Power Balance here on Nairaland. It's only for intellectuals and thinkers. U seem quite the gentleman. When I'm finished in a few hours I'll look it up.

For now:

Why? The enemy is not a sitting duck—assuming in this case the hypothetical enemy is Nigeria against France.

andrewza:



In my hyperthetcal France is supporting Cameroon in a border dispute along with a possible breakaway region in Nigeria. In short there cause beli or justification is Nigerian forces attacked Cameroon and wide spread war crimes. Whether it true or not does not matter. I mean people make up war crimes and ignore real war crimes all the time.


France goal is simply bring the oil fields in to sphere of Influnce of this break away and or Cameroon. Most of the support frome France will be logical, air, naval and limited ground support. Nigeria navy stands no chance and if the NAF get to close to the war zone will die. End result Nigerian Navy and Air force never leave there bases France never attacks the bases. Naval and air Domanice is achieved with maybe one or Two air raids to drive home the point. Possibly putting a guided bomb on to a Nigerian war ship or even just bombing your dry dock and hitting your air base with bombs.


End result Nigeria army fights with no air support, after a few losses concedes defeat. France uses there carrier and Cameroon air bases. Chad will all so be on alert to if need be support. Chad being a French attack dog.



A highly unlikely war but this is the worst case seneinoro but if you plan to fight this then you can beat any thing g lesser.

jln115:

You are correct that most of the tanks captured and destroyed were T34s but im specifically talking about cuito cuanavale, FAPLA/Cuban Tanks consisted out of mostly T55 and 62s

overhypedsteve:
it's ok. Now I understand your kind of thinking. If the need arises we will procure the needed assets. The need arose years ago for a dedicated COIN airframe and many years later, Many dead heroes later, many civilian casualties later and many widows later we are still waiting for some white guys in the Senate of a foreign country to approve our procurement.



Do you think these are things you just wake up and buy? It takes years men, it takes bilateral agreements, pacts and treaties and believe you me we do not have any tangible agreement on defence procurement with any nation. Those things are reserved for tangible customers. Not people that lobby to procure 50 pieces of outdated junk and still try to bribe to get the worst at cheap price so they can get money from it. You talk about Russia but Forget it men, the Cold War ended long ago. What do you have to offer the Russians? How will any bilateral effort on their side to side Nigeria during a war fulfil their wider interest (I speak of wider interest cus that is the only place where we can reflect) .



We are a energy producing nation, same goes for Russia, we produce farm produce that Russians don't eat, Our rich men drive cars that Russians don't produce, we live a life of luxury that is either made in China or Europe. Dude Nigeria paid for Russian amunitions during the war with yams, cocoa, palm oil etc. And non of them got to mother Russia they were traded in the European market by the big Russian cargo ships that flooded our waters during the period of 3R reconstruction, re-unification and restoration. While the Russian ships were moving our food produce, French and other European ships were bringing in cement, iron sheets, steel and other construction materials that G Yakubu needed to re-build the torn country, the Russians realised they had nothing to sell to Nigeria and Nigeria had nothing to sell to her. Hundreds of trade Expo were held by both foreign ministeries but nothing happened.


The Nigerian upper class preferred the luxuriant European produce to the developing Russian ones, despite the offer of building the assembly industries in Nigeria, the market was not there. Nigeria-Russia Bi-National relations woukd have worked in the area of defence but we just do not spend that much on defence(a big defence budget present the hawks with more money to steal from.). So it's this Russia that you couldn't align with during the Cold War that will now protect you from France, a rich Nuclear armed state, Russia with a failing economy and a much weaker Military compared to the Cold War will play a Cold War type proxy war with a nuclear armed state just because some dude that would have fled the country by the time hostilities ensue didn't know that you needed to train and arm your Armed Forces for the worst.



Russia would be very much willing to provide the ammunition for the French planes that would assault Abuja if France would agree to help remove some of the sanctions placed by the European Bloc on her products and trade. You think the international system work by sentiments? Oh Russia please France is attacking us and we know you hate France, please come and fight for us, we will give you oil, oh wait! You have oil. Damn we are in trouble, why didn't anybody see this coming? Oh we did but we thought they have oil assets down south. Dummy the oil assets is the main reason why France would go all out to make anybody attacking Nigeria to win.


They aId Biafra, refused us weapons and though they did not directly sponsor the war, their oil companies continued operating in the secetionist Republic. They withheld support for Nigeria for fear that Nigeria may lose and they do not want to lose along with Nigeria, so they paid the Biafrans to protect t their oils assets. War is no joke men. It doesn't come from one side. Nigeria would be facing Cameroon and Biafra all backed by France and the French people will go all out to make sure that this time they take the oil rivers.
mettre le géant nigérian à genoux( they will bring the Nigerian Giant to its knee.) That's enough history class for your unpatriotic soul.

Here is a link to the Russian 24hours delivery online shop for Planes, Frigates, Submarines, SAMs and machinery pilot, they even make same day delivery for upgrades T-90s . I won't post it here it's too secret. But be sure that our DOD people have it and once France is ready, they will login and start buying what we need.

andrewza:




T34 where third and forth line tanks in the 80s and Cuba did not use them in Angola. During cuito Cuban tanks where the main tank force.

T34 where common in the fighting in the 60s and 70s and rarely seen in the 80s.


O and don't knock the T34 though it useless as a main battle tank even to day it a great fire support vehicle. I all so don't think we ever had one of our oliphants ever fight against any T34s. The Angolan T34s where easy targets for the AML90 and Ratels. Even Allouet K car gunships could take them out with there 20mm auto cannons.



I wonder how many of the chapter T34s we even brought to south africa. I know most where given to Unita and any we left in SWA is now in Namibian hand. I suspect we left most of them in Angola.



All so wonder how many of the option tanks we still have. I know we have a few T55s captured including some from a shipment, we gave a few to Rhodesia and Zimbabwea still uses them and there is the T72s we bought I know those still work. Still there no complete list on South Africa war loot and how much of it could be made operational.

newafricaken254:
i have come to realise that USSR or russians ,rarely equip sub sahara countries with its latest weaponry.considering back in the early 80's ,they had equipped both syria and iraq with T-72 tanks

newafricaken254:
actually this article states the cubans used them and even transferred T-34 tanks to the angolan FAPLA link https://wwiiafterwwii./2015/09/06/t-34-in-angola-1970s-1980s/

newafricaken254:
i have come to realise that USSR or russians ,rarely equip sub sahara countries with its latest weaponry.considering back in the early 80's ,they had equipped both syria and iraq with T-72 tanks

frumentius:


Speculation on my part, as that's what little Jordan donated to Yemen. I don't see them being able to donate anything else, frankly. Unless they're also expecting some other donation from Uncle Sam. Plus, if it's Ratels, they'll hopefully be adding more Paramount Mbombe as replacement!

Nigeria and Cameroun both operating Ratel, now that would be something. !