xest:
law to who? After christ death are we still living under the law?

BluntBoy:


I won't hold you on this because I don't even understand what you wrote.

My question is "Is the Law still to be kept?"

onojiwizardgmailcom:


the Law will never end until the second coming of Christ, for this is what Christ himself said in Mathew, what Paul is trying teach us is that our total and complete submission to God not the law is what help us to fulfill or keep the law and ultimately achieve righteousness without which no one shall see the Lord.
our mortal flesh so powerful that only with help of the Holy Spirit from God can we fulfill or keep the law I.e defeat flesh.

BluntBoy:


So, how many of the Laws do you keep?

onojiwizardgmailcom:


I Love God above all as this is my first duty, and I love my neighbour as I love myself. For this the summary of all laws

onojiwizardgmailcom:


I Love God above all as this is my first duty, and I love my neighbour as I love myself. For this is the summary of all laws

BluntBoy:


No matter how hard you try to twist the Word, you will always find it difficult. I have shown you a Biblical evidence that Jesus fulfilled the Law but you refused and brought in your own interpretation of verses.

If Jesus fulfilled God's promise of a new covenant to us, how can you try to push this promise to the end of time? Of what essense is the New Covenant if the Old is still valid?

poshangel1335:
Pls does u said we re not to obey d law concerning tithes where in the bible did jesus say so becos wen jesus talked abt he did not come to condemn d law but fulfill it dat means he came to show us an example on how we can fulfill d law lyk him even as he was in flesh nd he was still able to fulfill it since we re his followers we should do the same read matt 23:23 where jesus called d pharisees hypocrite cos they will pay tithes of All the hve bt yet wouldnt show love,mercy nd other fruit of d spirit dat they re to obey all d laws nd not one nd leave d other so whoever obeys d law abt love,forgiveness,obedience nd does not obey dat abt tithes is a hypocrite Jesus also showed us example in luke 18:12 where he said he fast twice a week nd payed tithes of all he had .Therefore my Brothers nd sister pay ur tithes so dat on d last day u will nt miss heaven becos of dat fulfill all d laws of God nd dnt characterize it as New nd Old testament.

ipobarecriminals:
ask any muslim faithful what dey kal zakak.And how do u knw dat Dangote, Adenuga etc dnt pay tithe?

SUPERPACK:
are u to pay tithe to the levites or pastors?.
are their any pastor who does nt have inheritance, work, or land?

lonikit:


so are u saying old testament is not relevant again??

lonikit:
Malachi 3:10 KJV
Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the Lord of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it .


James 1:27 KJV
Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.


I have observed that the first reference is more preached in the churches more than the second.
this thread is not meant to mock but to correct the habit of selective teaching of the word of God.

lonikit:


I av bn following ur mentions. u are seriously on point. but it sims u are angry.

StageLeft:


So you are just going to quote scripture about the Parable of the Pharisee and attribute his actions to Jesus?
Read about the difference between exegesis and esiegesis

onojiwizardgmailcom:


The New Covenant (or New Testament) is the promise that God makes with humanity that He will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20 ). The New Covenant was predicted in the Old testament by prophets Moses, Jeremiah, and Ezekiel.

The prophet Jeremiah predicted the New Covenant. “‘The day will come,’ says the Lord, ‘when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah. . . . But this is the new covenant I will make with the people of Israel on that day,’ says the Lord. ‘I will put my law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people’” ( Jeremiah 31:31 , 33). Jesus Christ came to fulfill the Law of Moses (Matthew 5:17 ) and to establish the New Covenant between God and His people. The Old Covenant was written in stone, but the New Covenant is written on our hearts. Entering the New Covenant is made possible only by faith in Christ, who shed His blood to take away the sins of the world ( John 1:29 ).

'I will put the law in their minds, and I will write them on their hearts.' does this mean the new covenant abolish the law?

MISSCONGENIALITY:
I was forced by granny to attend a church programme in my village during chritmas some years back. I'm not a fan of such gatherings.
The pastor was busing bragging about himself and telling us how rich he was and how God can also make us reach. I was just there because others were there I ii learnt nothing. He was yarning dust man.
He told us that his house is worth 20mil or so and he's just 28yrs old.
To make the whole situation worst, he startted calling people out to donate as they would want God the bless them.
He called those who want the fruit of the wold to donate certain amount.
Called those who your expecting a miracle to donate and certain amount
Then those looking for a job to donate 7k while those looking for admission into higher institution were asked to donate 3k.
I was infuriated at that moment and at that moment I left the place. But people where queueing up to give the man the money.
People need have faith and the same time reason. How on earth do such people expect God to forgive them for their ignorance and stupidity and even more, faithlessness. What do they take God for? A God that will milk you dry before he bless you? You didn't pay for him to create you and gave you all you already had, and you now thing you can buy things from home with money he gave you?.
There's a difference between giving about of appreciation and giving out of expectations.

LeoFish92:

In assemblies of God, pastors are not allowed to have any side businesses, u DARE not try it, I don't know about other denominations sha

poshangel1335:

pls read my post very well before u reply can i ask u a question who spoke in matt 23:23 Nd in luke 18:12 incase u dnt knw or understand wat d red letter signifies let me tell u dat its signifies dat it was Jesus speaking there nd i dnt understand wat u mean by attribute d parable of d pharisees action to jesus .Who spoke on the parable of d pharisees nd i dnt knw where in my post did i say dat d parable of pharisees action is d same as jesus own read my post very well nd read d bible very well before u quote me .And let me tell u dat if u dnt want to pay tithes becos u re selfish nd wouldnt want to release ur money to d levities i.e d pastors it left for u no one will force u bt as dey say A WORD IS ENOUGH FOR THE WISE

poshangel1335:
@STAGELEFT
u knw wat do wat u wanna do everybody is accountable 4 their souls b4 God
so i cnt force wat i believe down ur throat.nd dat goes 2 every1 in dis thread becos u dnt believe in givin tithes doesnt means others re gullible its nt ur money dey re using 2 pay i jst pray dat we will nt be sorry 4 our actions on d last day.God bless u all.

StageLeft:


That dear friend is the key. There are only 2 wrong people on this topic:
1. Those that bash tithing and cheerful tithers and do not give even 10% to the poor, needy and the church

2. Those that give grudgingly simply because they are scared of violating a "law" and going to hell.

Every giver will be richly blessed (not all blessings are financial) and even the giving in the NT was way more than 10% ( close to 100% in some cases)
I challenge you to read the chapters surrounding the scriptures quoted to you to get the context, follow the principles of biblical hermeneutics so you can fully understand and approve yourself as a 2Tim2:15 christian. Again know the difference between exegesis and esiegesis
God bless you too!

SmartyPants:


We are talking of levites and pastors in general, so you cannot use the specific practices of Assemblies of God church as a reference point.

To show that pastors are the modern day levites you have to first prove three conditions:

1. That the church organization is the new temple. This is a belief that is widely accepted but why? Look through scriptures carefully, and tell me, is there any point at which we are told the Church is the new temple and we should therefore continue the practices that were instructed as part of worship in the temple?

2. There were Priests and Levites who both served in the Temple. Priests were not entitle to tithe. If you can satisfy condition one, then you have to explain why you draw the parallel between Levites and Pastors instead of Pastors and Priests.

3. Pastors are instructed by God not to have any personal property. This was the reason God said Levites should take part of the tithe. So is there a similar such instruction for pastors?

lonikit:


this is also found in the new testament sir.

Hebrews 10:28 KJV
He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses

no be me write am there oo

lonikit:



oga, these are the words of Jesus concerning law


Matthew 5:17-19 KJV
Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
[18] For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
[19] Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

naijanaso:


Well, Check Galatians 3:10 ''For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse...'' As for me, I am not of the works of the law hence not under the curse of it because Galatians 3:13 has it that Jesus redeemed me from such curse. That is for me! You are so free to be under the law and it's curse as you choose to. It's a personal choice.

Backinfront:
SUNDAY SERMON: THE TRUTH ABOUT TITHING


I came across this piece on a Whatsapp page and it so represented my views on tithing that I could have written it myself. Please enjoy the read!

The Trial of Pastor Jones (Author unknown)

Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income as per the LAW to your Regd. organization (called Church) and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them.

How do you plead?

Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold.

Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis Chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold?

Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you.

Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right.

Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well, just once.

Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week?

Mr. Jones: No it does not.

Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war?

Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war?

Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says.

Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe?

Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate.

Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else?

Mr. Jones: I guess not

Judge: You guess not, you are a teacher and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone?

Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen.

Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder?

Judge: So plunder could be any number of things?

Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose

Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct?

Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money

Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people.

Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all?

Mr. Jones: That is right.

Judge: I only have one last question for you
Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek?

Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily.

Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local Regd.Organization-church?
Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain.

Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example.

Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones.

Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you."

Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs example, is that right Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too.

Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right?

Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant.

Judge: What did you mean then?

Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also.

Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time.

Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow.

Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place.

Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe.

Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local organizational institutions -churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence.

Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us.

Judge: Answer me this Mr Jones, Who was God Speaking to here?

Mr Jones: To the People of Israel

Judge: Can you please read Malachi 2: 1 Please Mr Jones

Mr Jones: Now This command is for you O PRIEST !!

Judge: Did God stop talking to the Priest in Chap. 3, Mr Jones?

Mr Jones: No your Honor!

Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money?

Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that.

Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money.

Mr. Jones: Well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead.

Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses?

Mr. Jones: I don't know

Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to nation under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money?

Mr. Jones: I do not know of any.

Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did?

Mr. Jones: Man must have.

Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones, is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have?

Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe.

Judge: Ok let me hear it.

Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing.

Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says the Scribes and Pharisees.

Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee?

Mr. Jones: Of course not.

Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones?

Mr. Jones: No.

Judge: Why not?

Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it.

Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law?

Mr. Jones: When He was crucified.

Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death?

Mr. Jones: That is correct.

Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you?

Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also.

Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing?

Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin.

Judge: Is money mentioned?

Mr. Jones: No it was not.

Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say?

Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, staff salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people.

Judge: By "church" you mean your organization isn't it Mr Jones ?
-The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. Does It Mr Jones?
In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones.
-The tithe was never money;
-The tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings.
- We are under a new covenant now.
Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart.
If they determine to Give 10% well and good, If they keep aside some every week to meet this more better.If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason even blessing, you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If 'your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all.
Mr Jones, do you intentionally put your people under a Curse or a Bondage?

Mr Jones: Of Course not !!

Judge: Can you Read in context Gal 3:10-11: For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them ....
AND
Gal 5:1-4 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage....

Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it.
Yes ' am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore.
Sentencing....... All Arise .....

mytym:


The gospel of Christ is the gospel of truth and the endgame of that truth is freedom. Not liberty to do as we like, but freedom that comes from the knowledge of truth that We are no longer constrained by the law.

And the holy Spirit will teach us ALL things! this is inclusive!

One of the events of the last days as foretold by the scriptures is that..."the back of the Sons shall be turned against the Fathers". One of the actualization of this statement is the Tithe issue. The children will be so filled with the holy Spirit from above that they will readily be explaining deep things that can only come from the knowledge of truth, they will begin to question status quo.

This will ultimately provoke anger in the Fathers who are so deep in 'theology' and will lay claim to their long years experience and knowledge in theology.
Their pride and ego will block their hearts from seeing the truth through the kids who according to them are untrained.

I stopped paying Tithe in 2016.

It's a personal thing. Also we had a prayer program this year, Dropped a seed that's​ equivalent to 250% of my tithe. It was personal and not borne of coercion.

lonikit:


wht exactly is ur position on the topic sir. don't really get ur point