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Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by vaxx: 10:18am On Sep 21, 2017 |
butterflyl1on:you actually know what you are typing .good reply. |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflyl1on: 10:22am On Sep 21, 2017 |
vaxx: Thanks boss |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by gabe: 11:01am On Sep 21, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb:you first have to prove God exists before we talk about a 'beginning point' |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by vaxx: 11:15am On Sep 21, 2017 |
gabe:Nature tell it all. proving it again is a waste of time. it is now left for you to prove to the believer that nature is lying. before you reply. what is God According to you. supposing I say johnydon is not a female, I should know how females look like so what or who is God. 2 Likes |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by bloodofthelamb(m): 11:17am On Sep 21, 2017 |
gabe:HIS ART WORK IS ENOUGH PROVE...HIS DESIGN IS ENOUGH PROVE...JUST LIKE A MOULDED CLAY POT SPEAKS OF A POTTER...IF I TELL YOU I AM AN ENGINEER, HOW WILL YOU KNOW THAT I AM WHAT I SAID I AM? SIMPLY BY MY WORK |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by bloodofthelamb(m): 11:30am On Sep 21, 2017 |
gabe:DON'T BELIEVE SOMEONE BASE ONLY ON WORDS...BELIEVE THEM BECAUSE OF THERE WORK 1 Like |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by Samsimple(m): 1:22pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb:because of their work u say, why do u believe d bible wen its written in words |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by bloodofthelamb(m): 1:39pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
Samsimple:THE BIBLE LED ME TO MY SAVIOUR AND GOD CHRIST JESUS THE RIGHTEOUS...THE BIBLE IS A SIGNPOST TO JESUS.THE BIBLE WAS COMPILED AND WRITTEN SO THAT WE MAY BELIEVE IN HIM(THE LOVER OF OUR SOUL)...I PRAY YOU GET IT...AMEN |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by johnydon22(m): 2:14pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
felixomor: but the cosmos now is like a fried egg or a mashed one? What if this universe was created that way, God took some cosmic egg and smashed them together and this is the result - would you say God designed the universe or not? |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflyl1on: 2:27pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
johnydon22: You are the one talking about chaos aka the mashed egg approach. Felixomor is not! He supports design. So based on this you are asking the wrong questions. Your question should rather be directed at yourself. Was the universe created the way one would mash together eggs? |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by felixomor: 2:50pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
johnydon22:Nah, you still have not carried out the experiment Do it and then we can compare that with the beautiful universe we have. |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by johnydon22(m): 2:53pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
butterflyl1on: felixomor: OH GOD!!! 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by hopefulLandlord: 2:53pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
bloodofthelamb: sounds convincing 1 Like |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflyl1on: 3:04pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
johnydon22: Do not act shocked! Felixomor was trying to use your idea of chaos bringing order to speak to you by using the egg mash up example. He wasn't actually speaking for himself but for you and wanted you to see where such an experiment would lead you as a proponent of chaos being behind the universe. ![]() 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by bloodofthelamb(m): 3:22pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
hopefulLandlord:ALL GLORY TO JESUS AND HIM ALONE FOREVER...AMEN |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by adepeter2027(m): 3:34pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
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Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by dalaman: 3:42pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by johnydon22(m): 3:46pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
adepeter2027: You are talking (A) and they are replying with (Z) with (A) in it.. Anyway i am sure the OP is coherent enough, make i no go tire myself out going in circles abeg |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by Deicide: 4:02pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
Nice Thread and Educative as well ![]() I think Argument on design would make more sense if you argue it with a deist and not a theist......A theist can just formulate anything and in their mind, it'll make sense why? because their God operates on magic so anything can flow ![]() 8 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflyl1on: 4:31pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
johnydon22: You are the one mixing up everything bro. Nobody is replying you A with Z. Be quick on your feet and let your brain sharpen up enough to follow your own discussion and those of others. This thread is simply showing you did not think it through before opening it. You simply frustrated yourself via a not well thought out OP so do not blame anyone for that ![]() You cannot win them all can you? ![]() 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflylion: 4:47pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
My ban is over. Main moniker is back baby ![]() |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by 701ecilana: 5:34pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
butterflylion:Which is your main moniker? I never knew you had another moniker? |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflylion: 6:21pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
701ecilana: I was banned yesterday so had to register as butterflyl1on as an alternative. The difference between that one and this one is the number 1 in lion |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by 701ecilana: 6:54pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
butterflylion:Okay. |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by AgentOfAllah: 7:57pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
johnydon22: Very nice write up. Just a minor correction. Non living cells can, and do self-arrange, using only the electronic properties of component atoms. (See crystal lattices) DoctorAlien: Your infinite time argument does make sense, but only if you consider a linear process. An infinitely circular process may yet circumvent completely, the problem posed by linear infinity. Theoretical arguments exist for such a cyclic process. 6 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by urahara(m): 9:57pm On Sep 21, 2017 |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflylion: 7:13am On Sep 22, 2017 |
Johnydon22 you are yet to address a lot of the incoherent issues you raised which I countered. Let's start with this one Purpose is a child of the human mind. And if we judge from that 99.99% of the universe won't have a purpose.. My response You "assume" that 99% of the universe serves no purpose when mankind is even yet to explore and experience 0.00000000000000000000000001% of it. How did you arrive at such a summation? And also this one below
My response Again you call star formation a random process simply because you are not the painter. Do you realise that our sun is A Star which was allegedly formed by this same nebulae? How then was the sun "randomly" formed by this chaotic nebulae yet the end product is that it helps sustain life and our ecosystem here on earth? How would a chaotic nebulae somehow be able to achieve a feat such as giving us what we cannot do without on this earth in order to live? I keep asking that you look at the end product from what you claim was chaos and ask yourself how this chaos was able to produce purpose. You said " if you read a response that shows ignorance of the OP you will not respond to it and then some crappy talk about condescending too low when you have been the one setting the bar too low and making us condescend to your level. Be honoured and not arrogant! I await your response. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by johnydon22(m): 9:05pm On Sep 24, 2017 |
butterflylion:On my last post i promised to ignore posts that are consonant with my OP, you see i cannot argue at someone's inability to fully grasp the language of a particular post. .
I am quite certain that my response to this was, purpose is a child of the human mind, if you can't understand that basic statement i cannot help you from my post "Kepler observed the heavens on many nights, the most many of the times and he noticed moon craters, perfect depressed circles on the surface of the moon, a circle is a geometrical perfection so how could such perfect design come naturally? Based on what he is used to here on earth, circle can only come from intelligence, such precise perfections cannot be attributed to random accidental and chaotic chance of natural causality. So his argument was: Such circular structures connoted intelligent beings on the moon and these craters were structures purposely built by this intelligent civilization. Keplers argument is just as valid as the argument of design, nature lacks what it takes to make such perfect geometry, it can never be as a result of the chaotic chance that rules natural causality. Or is it? Turns out Kepler was also wrong, the moon craters were not a result of intelligence as a matter of fact there are as a result of accidental, random, uncharted chaos. A great rock of intense speed [meteors, asteroids] hitting the surface of the moon would create a local explosion perfectly symmetrical in every direction thus giving rise to perfect circular depressions. It was not a result of intelligent design as kepler thought, it was starkly the raw opposite." had it been you read the post or at least paid attention to it you wouldn't bring up the chaos cannot beget beauty mumbo jumbo, this is why i chose to ignore further posts. I no longer have the patience to keep on bickering endlessly when it doesn't sink in. I am way past that time. This question about nebulae and stars only betrays your naivety of astronomy and these naivety used as an argument is grossly misplaced, i won't argue your inability to grasp natural process. I can only keep going in circles and getting no where 10 Likes 4 Shares |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflylion: 9:09pm On Sep 24, 2017 |
johnydon22: When you have nothing intelligent to say your method is to try and make the other person look less intelligent ![]() Let me recover from the mauling of Nigeria by ghana first then we go talk. 1 Like |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by johnydon22(m): 9:10pm On Sep 24, 2017 |
butterflylion: #sighs this puerile behaviour is what i am supposed to put up with, phheeew i will pass. 7 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by butterflylion: 9:15pm On Sep 24, 2017 |
johnydon22: I have been putting up with yours all along with your subtle jabs at intelligence and lack of understanding. I know the trick Johny ![]() Not everyone is gullible and cannot read between the lines. Like I said, let me recover, I dey come. 4 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Argument Of Design [replying OLAADEGBU'S THREAD] by johnydon22(m): 9:27pm On Sep 24, 2017 |
butterflylion: k. |
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