QueryUnical:


Hey!
I am not the normal nairalander. Withdraw d curse word and I will offer a reply. Otherwise converdation over.

ExInferis:


Fukk off, dipstick.

QueryUnical:


Have a plesant event.Good bye.

misterh:
Is that how you reached your conclusion? That's a weak premise to stand on.

Firstly, a man was just visited by a being he had never seen anything like it before- a being that greatly terrified him. It was the terror and confusion he was in that made him think that he was visited by an evil spirit.
Secondly, it wasn't Khadijah that told him it was Angel Gabriel that visited him.

The pictures attached might help you...

misterh:
If you can't see that I merely quoted the bible to make you understand the message i was trying to pass from the perspective of your religion, then I can't help you. I've had discussions on this thread with a christian who quoted the Qur'an to pass his message.

misterh:

I don't know how many times I would say this but you guys need to stop using the bible and Christianity rules to judge events in Islam- just like I won't use events in Islam and Islamic laws to judge Christian beliefs and matters.

misterh:

How in God's name was Muhammad threatened, huh?

misterh:
You said Muhammad encounted an angel but it was a demon? How can one being be an angel and a demon at the same time

misterh:
So if a child says he saw a snake in the garden but when the father got there, it turned out to be twig, does that mean it is a snake?

misterh:

Oh really! Hmmm... A light that shone so bright it made someone blind. Is that still a good light? I'm not mocking Jesus here (God forbid I do) but doesn't that bring me back to my earlier quote about the ways of God not being the way of man? God could have made Paul convert in another way other than going blind, but He chose the make the man suffer in blindness for 3 days. See, only God knows why He does the things He does.

misterh:

Moreover, according to the bible, other disciples saw Jesus in the physical form after his resurrection. Only Paul saw Jesus after his ascension. So there is no guarantee that other people would not have gone blind if Jesus' light had appeared to them, just like it did to Paul (whether they were sinners or not).

misterh:

So because Paul knew it was Jesus he met on his way to Damascus, all other people who encounter strange beings should automatically know who/what they encountered. Nice logic.

misterh:
Please research on Muhammad before he became a prophet and save yourself from this ignorance you are wallowing in.

misterh:
Why should I show you a place in the bible where angels appeared in a strange way? Muslims don't live by the bible, so it will be foolish to try to justify Islamic events by the book of another religion.

misterh:
Concerning the bolded part, where did you read that he knew he had seen a demon, please?

misterh:
I doubt you know that Muslims and Christians have different interpretations for how Jesus went about his ministry and the things he said.

misterh:
For instance, in John 58:80−82, Muslims believe he referred to the coming of another prophet. Also, in Deut 18:18 and Isaiah 29:12, Muslims believe that these verses referred to the coming of another prophet.

misterh:
Muslims believe that Jesus came with The Gospel (Injeel). We believe that this was the original and pristine word that Jesus came with. Also, Waraqah did not ordain Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Where do you guys get this erroneous beliefs from?

misterh:
LMAOOO. How could you say Muslims stole christian stories?

misterh:
Muslims believe in the existence of Jesus as a prophet of God- just like other prophets. We also believe that he came with the Injeel (The Gospel). We believe all prophets came with the same message from God. So, there is bound to be similarities between the Bible and the Qur'an.

misterh:
Both Christianity and Islam acknowledge the existence of prophets like Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Joseph, Jonah, Isaac, Solomon and many others. So you can't accuse Islam of 'stealing' christian stories. There are similarities in the stories in both religions because the two religions (with Judaism) are the only monotheistic religions in the world.

youngdabold:
.........Adam should not be included,he is the reason why we are suffering today......He sinned first and being his descendants,we also inherited his sinful nature and that is why we die.......Christians should collaborate this

alBHAGDADI:
You are not suppose to quote a Bible passage no matter what cos your Islam says it is corrupt.
Even the verse you quoted has no correlation with your stance.

alBHAGDADI:
It won't stop cos Islam borught it upon itself when it stole Bible stories, twisted them and claimed its own version is the authentic one. It even went ahead to label a book that is 700 years and partly 1000 years older than it a fake and corrupted book. This alone rendered the quran the corrupt one.

alBHAGDADI:
He was. Read the encounter below

Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 301

There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself.

alBHAGDADI:
You see, the meaning of angel is messenger. The angels who rebelled against God became demons and evil spirits. That didn't stop them from being angels/messengers. They remained angels but fallen ones who now run errands for Satan who was is a fallen angel himself.

alBHAGDADI:
So, the Waraqah that told Mohammad that it was Angel Gabriel he saw, did he go there to see the angel himself?

alBHAGDADI:
You don't understand the encounter at all. Paul was heading towards killing and arresting Christians. How do you expect such a man to be stopped? Read the encounter:

Acts 9:1-6

1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest
2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem.
3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him.
4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?”
5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked.
“I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”

Even after stopping him with blindness, Jesus Christ still ordered him to go and meet certain people who will heal him. Can you now see why the encounter was like that? How come we don't know why angel gabriel appeared to Mohammad in that horrific manner? Oh, you claim that God's ways are not shown to us. Remember I just showed you that Jesus Himself made his reasons for blinding Paul clear -Paul was going to kill Christians.

alBHAGDADI:
Not only Paul but Apostle John saw Jesus after His ascension, yet he wasn't frightened nor go blind. Like I said early, Paul went blind cos he was a sinful man who was on his way to kill Christians. If the strange being was from the Living God Yahweh, it will introduce itself. Moses saw the strange burning bush; that bush introduced itself as God speaking through it. An angel appeared to Mary: that angel introduced himself as Gabriel. Jesus appeared to Paul and still introduced himself. How come the strange being that appeared to Mohammad didn't introduce himself? Don't you think that if Waraqah had said it was a pig mohammad saw, the strange being's mission would have failed cos he didn't introduce himself?

alBHAGDADI:
Like I said, he was from a pagan home and his grandfather worshipped allah, a pagan arabian moon god. There's nothing holy about that.

alBHAGDADI:
But your allah told you to ask those of the scripture before yours

sura 10:94-95
And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee.

alBHAGDADI:
If he had seen an Angel of God, he wont have been afraid to the point that he was still frightened when he got home. All those Godly men who encountered Angels in the bible were never scared.

How can muslims know of the Jesus that they never saw more than the Christians who walked with Jesus, whom he ordained to do his work? How can Mohammad tell you about Jesus when his greatest grandfather wasn't even a sperm when the disciples of Jesus were walking, working and writing about him? He just showed up after 700 years and claimed to know better and that the disciples are wrong. Use your head.

alBHAGDADI:
How many times do we have to tell you muslims that those verses were not talking about Mohammad but Jesus with the book of John speaking about the Holy Spirit? I even explained some of these things in the OP.

alBHAGDADI:
Oh, the Bible is no more corrupt. You now dug your nose in the Bible looking for references to Mohammad.

If you believe that Jesus came with a book called Injeel and you can't provide the book today, then it means you have believed in a lie.

alBHAGDADI:
You see, Islam is a lie told against Jesus. If we can't find the book you muslims claim Jesus came with, then it means you are calling him a failure cos his book can't be found. But it's all a LIE.

alBHAGDADI:
Then where else can one find somehting similar to the stories your quran has? Quran plagiarized the Bible.

alBHAGDADI:
All Prophets spoke of YAHWEH. Mohammad didn't. He came when there was no more need for a prophet cos Jesus, who is the way to God, the truth and the life had finally redeemed mankind. Mohammad came to steal, kill and to destroy like the terrorist that he became.

alBHAGDADI:
You stole those prophets who were never sent to you Arabs. You stole them and told a different story about them, people you never encountered nor knew anything about them if not for the Bible which you now claim is corrupt.

misterh:
Like I said, if you don't understand why i quoted the bible earlier, I can't help you again. I quoted that verse to show you that even your book supported what I said. Funny enough, you quoted the Qur'an and the Hadith in the comment of yours. Why did you quote the Qur'an if you don't believe in it? The answer you give might lead you to understanding why I quoted your bible. Also, if you can't see the correlation between the quoted verse about God's way being different from man's way, then you can't understand why God chose a certain way to appear to different people.

Do yourself a favour and read more on monotheism and Abrahamic religions. If you claim Islam stole Bible stories, were Moses, Noah, Joseph and other prophets christians for their stories to have appeared in Christianity's book, the Bible? Using your logic, adherents of Judaism can also accuse you of stealing stories of Moses as the Torah is their book.
PLEASE RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND MONOTHEISM TO SEE WHY THERE ARE SIMILAR STORIES IN THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN!

LMAOOO. See who's quoting the Hadith now... So in your translation, if a man encounters a phenomenon that shook him- a phenomenon he had never seen before, it means he was threatened? Wow... We learn everyday sha.

Hmmm.. So angels-turned-demons who disobey God can still retain their status as angels? Because you believe that doesn't mean a Muslim must also believe that.

By the way, how many angels have rebelled against God?

Does the doctor follow you home before he knows the kind of prescription to give you when you complain of an ailment? You do realize that Waraqah was a man who was learned man who was aware of the coming of another prophet, right? (You don't have to agree with this as it isn't recognsed in your religion; but I believe it because it is recognized in mine).

Okay.

Your answer lies in Isaiah 55:8. Please direct me to the part of the bible where the Jesus appeared to John the apostle after ascension.

I don't give a rat's a*se about what you said; I deal with facts. The facts have proven that Muhammad was not a pagan. If you pick up a book to read like I suggested earlier, you would have known better.

Oh! Look at who is quoting the Qur'an again?

Again, read more on Abrahamic religions. You thought Muhammad spoke of his own accord? You're mistaken. The words he spoke were revealed to him by God.
Moreover, what I bolded is exactly what those who rejected the words of prophets like Jesus, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad said.
Talmbout 'How can someone who was born yesterday tell us the religion and practices of our forefathers is wrong.

And if you saw my first and previous comment on this post, you would see that I said both religions have different interpretations of the words of Jesus. Muslims believe he was a prophet who came with the Injeel and they believe the above verse referred to Muhammad (with their proofs) in those verses? You christians believe he referred to the Holy Spirit. What's the need for conflict then?
For you is your religion and for me is my religion (Qur'an 109:6 )

In Islam, we believe that the Qur'an is the final and last book of God. The books of all other prophets have been superseded by the Qur'an. Furthermore, we believe that the bible in circulation today contain portions of the teachings of Jesus, but neither represent nor contain the original Gospel from God. (Again, you as a christian don't have the believe this; it is what Muslims believe). We Muslims also believe that the bible in circulation was not divinely revealed but rather are documents of the life of Jesus, as written by various contemporaries, disciples and companions. It is widely believed that John the apostle authored most of the books of the New Testament.

No Muslim would ever say the Jesus was a failure. It was not only Jesus that was given a book. In total, 4 prophets were given books. However, the Qur'an is the last revealed book. This last book has encompassed the teachings of the other books.


Again, read more on Monotheistic religions and Abrahamic religions. Therein lies your answers to your question.

If by Yahweh, you mean God, then yes, Muhammad came to preach about God.
linguistically, Yahweh is a Jewish word that means God. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Concerning the bolded, if you can't talk about the prophet of my religion with respect, this conversation would have to end here. I have not spoken about your religion in a demeaning light. I thought we were having a civil conversation here.

AGAIN, GO AND RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. That's all I have to say about this.

misterh:
Dude, keep your emotions in check. Did I hit a nerve when I told you you could have been civil in your post? Ehya! Sorry ehn.. I can't promise it won't happen again though.

I don't know the religion you're referring to in this comment of yours. Certainly, it's not mine.

If there's anyone who should endeavour to use his brain from time to time, you might want to check the mirror for him.

Cheers and have a good night!

ChiefMarumba:
May ALLAH S.W.T. bless you, increase you in knowledge and wisdom. Am proud to be a Muslim and am proud of like you in this forum.

misterh:
Like I said, if you don't understand why i quoted the bible earlier, I can't help you again. I quoted that verse to show you that even your book supported what I said. Funny enough, you quoted the Qur'an and the Hadith in the comment of yours. Why did you quote the Qur'an if you don't believe in it? The answer you give might lead you to understanding why I quoted your bible. Also, if you can't see the correlation between the quoted verse about God's way being different from man's way, then you can't understand why God chose a certain way to appear to different people.

Do yourself a favour and read more on monotheism and Abrahamic religions. If you claim Islam stole Bible stories, were Moses, Noah, Joseph and other prophets christians for their stories to have appeared in Christianity's book, the Bible? Using your logic, adherents of Judaism can also accuse you of stealing stories of Moses as the Torah is their book.
PLEASE RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND MONOTHEISM TO SEE WHY THERE ARE SIMILAR STORIES IN THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN!

LMAOOO. See who's quoting the Hadith now... So in your translation, if a man encounters a phenomenon that shook him- a phenomenon he had never seen before, it means he was threatened? Wow... We learn everyday sha.

Hmmm.. So angels-turned-demons who disobey God can still retain their status as angels? Because you believe that doesn't mean a Muslim must also believe that.

By the way, how many angels have rebelled against God?

Does the doctor follow you home before he knows the kind of prescription to give you when you complain of an ailment? You do realize that Waraqah was a man who was learned man who was aware of the coming of another prophet, right? (You don't have to agree with this as it isn't recognsed in your religion; but I believe it because it is recognized in mine).

Okay.

Your answer lies in Isaiah 55:8. Please direct me to the part of the bible where the Jesus appeared to John the apostle after ascension.

I don't give a rat's a*se about what you said; I deal with facts. The facts have proven that Muhammad was not a pagan. If you pick up a book to read like I suggested earlier, you would have known better.

Oh! Look at who is quoting the Qur'an again?

Again, read more on Abrahamic religions. You thought Muhammad spoke of his own accord? You're mistaken. The words he spoke were revealed to him by God.
Moreover, what I bolded is exactly what those who rejected the words of prophets like Jesus, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad said.
Talmbout 'How can someone who was born yesterday tell us the religion and practices of our forefathers is wrong.

And if you saw my first and previous comment on this post, you would see that I said both religions have different interpretations of the words of Jesus. Muslims believe he was a prophet who came with the Injeel and they believe the above verse referred to Muhammad (with their proofs) in those verses? You christians believe he referred to the Holy Spirit. What's the need for conflict then?
For you is your religion and for me is my religion (Qur'an 109:6 )

In Islam, we believe that the Qur'an is the final and last book of God. The books of all other prophets have been superseded by the Qur'an. Furthermore, we believe that the bible in circulation today contain portions of the teachings of Jesus, but neither represent nor contain the original Gospel from God. (Again, you as a christian don't have the believe this; it is what Muslims believe). We Muslims also believe that the bible in circulation was not divinely revealed but rather are documents of the life of Jesus, as written by various contemporaries, disciples and companions. It is widely believed that John the apostle authored most of the books of the New Testament.

No Muslim would ever say the Jesus was a failure. It was not only Jesus that was given a book. In total, 4 prophets were given books. However, the Qur'an is the last revealed book. This last book has encompassed the teachings of the other books.


Again, read more on Monotheistic religions and Abrahamic religions. Therein lies your answers to your question.

If by Yahweh, you mean God, then yes, Muhammad came to preach about God.
linguistically, Yahweh is a Jewish word that means God. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Concerning the bolded, if you can't talk about the prophet of my religion with respect, this conversation would have to end here. I have not spoken about your religion in a demeaning light. I thought we were having a civil conversation here.

AGAIN, GO AND RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. That's all I have to say about this.

HajimeSaito:


Typical of the lower life form that you are. You scum never disappoint. No matter how much a gorilla tries to pretend, it will never be accepted as a human being. Your stup.idd pedophile, Sex Award Winner ( S.A.W ) fake " prophet " deserves blind followers like you.
Blind follower of a blind prophet whose reward for obedience is a paradise of sex.

HajimeSaito:



Listen to this fool. The only Abrahamic religions are Judaism and Christianity. Hence the expression Judeo-Christian. Pisslam has never been accepted by either Christians or Jews as having any authenticity.

misterh:
Awwww.... It must really suck to be you right now. Take a deep breath and drink some chilled water. Also, make sure you're sitting so as to prevent you hitting the floor from all these hypertension-inducing bile you possess.

Have a good night.

true2god:
Was waraqa guided by allahh to tell Mohammed that the entity he met at the cave is jibril? I don't think so because waraqah never believed in allahh, nor worshiped at kabba. We can as well conclude that it was a Christian that authenticated the alleged Prophethood of Mohammed. Mohammed recognized the fact that it is only a Christian that can approve his prophethood, hence his confidence in the judgment of waraqa, and his wife khadija. This does not mean that I accepted waraqa's judgement because he was not there with Mohammed, at the cave, and he did not do any personal check to verify Mohammed's claim, whether he was lying or not.

The Qur'an did not also talk anything about waraqa, and this makes Islam seriously not trustworthy. How can one of the most important person that assist set up islam completely missing in the Quran? Even the so-called jibril did not tell Mohammed anything about waraqa, despite the fact that it was waraqa that told Mohammed that the spirit whom he (Mohammed) allegedly encountered at the cave is hira was jibril. And again, Mohammed didn't even see the so-called jibril face to face, it was only a voice he heard.

Putting all Mohammed's claim in a complete scrutiny one can easily see that the whole story do not add up. It is all a make-believe forced down on the 7th century desert illiterate Arabs who have little or no sense of seeing things in a very rational and logical way. If Mohammed comes up with this story of his encounter with jibril, in today's world, he will be sent to a psychiatric home. He made complete use of the opportunity he had then to brainwash and conquer his fellow backward desert Arabs.

Blackfire:



Tell me u are joking or st.up.id

Rashduct4luv:


Put Prejudice and bias by the side, Muhammad just saw the Angel for the first time. Who do you expect him to turn to? Of cos his wife. And the wife took him to Waraqah since she trusted him as family & a true follower of Christ. We Muslims believe that those that follow Allah through their Prophets are Muslims. We have the Qur'an and the Authentic Hadiths as our constitutions in Islam. It can not be found in the Qur'an but it is recorded in the Sunnah! The reference was attached yet u cant even read between the lines.

How is this narration not explanatory enough? When Moses saw the burning bush, what happened?
Sometimes people can be blinded by criticism.

true2god:
Bros, Mohammed did not see any angel, he only heard a voice of an unknown entity whom he (Mohammed) didn't know, neither did the entity introduced himself to Mohammed. He only asked Mohammed to 'READ' after choking him severely. Mohammed replied that he cannot read because he is not lettered. Let's get the facts right.

There is no any angel of God that will attempt to choke human being to death, before passing a message across, except the Islamic Jibril. Even in this modern era it is only a demonic force that oppress a human being. A human being can be frighten upon seeing a strange being but that being, if it is an Angel, will always ask his 'client' to be calm. This particular pattern is consistent throughout the Bible. Why will Mohammed's experience be 100% opposite?

You said the wife took him to waraqa, That is true. The hadith and the sirah, aside from waraqa telling Mohammed the entity he saw was an angel, recorded no any other activity concerning waraqa. The life of waraqa, whether pious or not, cannot be independently verified. What if waraqa had told Mohammed a lie to massage his ego? No one can say.

Waraqa is so important in islam that it will be wrong if no one knew anything about him. Without waraqa, there is no Islam.

abdulmalik3:
it's glaring you are an idiot

true2god:
Bros, Mohammed did not see any angel, he only heard a voice of an unknown entity whom he (Mohammed) didn't know, neither did the entity introduced himself to Mohammed. He only asked Mohammed to 'READ' after choking him severely. Mohammed replied that he cannot read because he is not lettered. Let's get the facts right.

There is no any angel of God that will attempt to choke human being to death, before passing a message across, except the Islamic Jibril. Even in this modern era it is only a demonic force that oppress a human being. A human being can be frighten upon seeing a strange being but that being, if it is an Angel, will always ask his 'client' to be calm. This particular pattern is consistent throughout the Bible. Why will Mohammed's experience be 100% opposite?

You said the wife took him to waraqa, That is true. The hadith and the sirah, aside from waraqa telling Mohammed the entity he saw was an angel, recorded no any other activity concerning waraqa. The life of waraqa, whether pious or not, cannot be independently verified. What if waraqa had told Mohammed a lie to massage his ego? No one can say.

Waraqa is so important in islam that it will be wrong if no one knew anything about him. Without waraqa, there is no Islam.

Rashduct4luv:


This means you have read all books on Islamic Seerah to have opined that no one knew anything about him. I pity your ignorance bro.

mikeweezy:
Christianity I was born into Christianity I will die in it ....God owned religion

HajimeSaito:


And you can gorge yourself on camel urine just like your moronic "prophet " taught you

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true2god:
Can you tell us any important thing/incidence recorded on waraqa in the sirah rasul allahh?

Blackfire:



Asamu alaiykum

abdulmalik3:
it's asalamu alaikum

Blackfire:



Illiterate....

There is a difference between asamu and asalam



Oponu must I teach everything