Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by ExInferis(m): 3:40pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by QueryUnical: 3:42pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by ExInferis(m): 3:44pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Tedassie(m): 5:05pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
misterh: Is that how you reached your conclusion? That's a weak premise to stand on.
Firstly, a man was just visited by a being he had never seen anything like it before- a being that greatly terrified him. It was the terror and confusion he was in that made him think that he was visited by an evil spirit. Secondly, it wasn't Khadijah that told him it was Angel Gabriel that visited him.
The pictures attached might help you... sorry,i gotta say something here...having read that (picture) below and i say these with no iota of disrespect: Are you even aware your beloved Prophet could have been a perfect tool for deceit and misinformation?I say this because 1)That text suggested he clearly had no knowledge nor the spiritual insight to be able to discern a supposed 'revelation' of God from the machination of Satan(the devil)! (Note that the devil is an adversary,both to God and man and is constantly looking for ways to mislead man in his walk with God. The devil has a nefarious 'habit' of trying to imitate/counterfeit the things of God so as to ensnare man to disobedience. Now isn't it likely the devil conjured up false visions in his mind like the appearance of a demon disguised as an angel of light?oh and he had "mind" issues which i'm sure,Satan may have capitalized on....do you see? 2)How was it that he shared his 'vision' to someone who should i say...wasn't necessarily an authority in spiritual matters and perhaps had no similar pre-experience (or call it precognition/revelation of the Holy Spirit- this couldn't even be likely,as he himself didn't experience Christ too) for him to have even asserted with all assurance that the entity Muh'd beheld was none other than Archangel Gabriel!...can you imagine ![](/faces/huh.png) Who does that¿ 3)God Almighty is NEVER the author of confusion,for the fact that Jesus christ died on the cross for the remission of the sins of man. The Devil knew his own doom is a settled matter but didn't relent in his attempt to still keep man farther away from God hence he sought for 'vessels' to inspire! 2 Likes |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by alBHAGDADI: 5:38pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
misterh: If you can't see that I merely quoted the bible to make you understand the message i was trying to pass from the perspective of your religion, then I can't help you. I've had discussions on this thread with a christian who quoted the Qur'an to pass his message. You are not suppose to quote a Bible passage no matter what cos your Islam says it is corrupt. Even the verse you quoted has no correlation with your stance. misterh:
I don't know how many times I would say this but you guys need to stop using the bible and Christianity rules to judge events in Islam- just like I won't use events in Islam and Islamic laws to judge Christian beliefs and matters. It won't stop cos Islam borught it upon itself when it stole Bible stories, twisted them and claimed its own version is the authentic one. It even went ahead to label a book that is 700 years and partly 1000 years older than it a fake and corrupted book. This alone rendered the quran the corrupt one. misterh:
How in God's name was Muhammad threatened, huh? He was. Read the encounter below Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 301There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself.misterh: You said Muhammad encounted an angel but it was a demon? How can one being be an angel and a demon at the same time![](/faces/huh.png) You see, the meaning of angel is messenger. The angels who rebelled against God became demons and evil spirits. That didn't stop them from being angels/messengers. They remained angels but fallen ones who now run errands for Satan who was is a fallen angel himself. misterh: So if a child says he saw a snake in the garden but when the father got there, it turned out to be twig, does that mean it is a snake? So, the Waraqah that told Mohammad that it was Angel Gabriel he saw, did he go there to see the angel himself? ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) misterh:
Oh really! Hmmm... A light that shone so bright it made someone blind. Is that still a good light? I'm not mocking Jesus here (God forbid I do) but doesn't that bring me back to my earlier quote about the ways of God not being the way of man? God could have made Paul convert in another way other than going blind, but He chose the make the man suffer in blindness for 3 days. See, only God knows why He does the things He does. You don't understand the encounter at all. Paul was heading towards killing and arresting Christians. How do you expect such a man to be stopped? Read the encounter: Acts 9:1-6
1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”Even after stopping him with blindness, Jesus Christ still ordered him to go and meet certain people who will heal him. Can you now see why the encounter was like that? How come we don't know why angel gabriel appeared to Mohammad in that horrific manner? Oh, you claim that God's ways are not shown to us. Remember I just showed you that Jesus Himself made his reasons for blinding Paul clear -Paul was going to kill Christians. misterh:
Moreover, according to the bible, other disciples saw Jesus in the physical form after his resurrection. Only Paul saw Jesus after his ascension. So there is no guarantee that other people would not have gone blind if Jesus' light had appeared to them, just like it did to Paul (whether they were sinners or not). Not only Paul but Apostle John saw Jesus after His ascension, yet he wasn't frightened nor go blind. Like I said early, Paul went blind cos he was a sinful man who was on his way to kill Christians. misterh:
So because Paul knew it was Jesus he met on his way to Damascus, all other people who encounter strange beings should automatically know who/what they encountered. Nice logic. If the strange being was from the Living God Yahweh, it will introduce itself. Moses saw the strange burning bush; that bush introduced itself as God speaking through it. An angel appeared to Mary: that angel introduced himself as Gabriel. Jesus appeared to Paul and still introduced himself. How come the strange being that appeared to Mohammad didn't introduce himself? Don't you think that if Waraqah had said it was a pig mohammad saw, the strange being's mission would have failed cos he didn't introduce himself? misterh: Please research on Muhammad before he became a prophet and save yourself from this ignorance you are wallowing in. Like I said, he was from a pagan home and his grandfather worshipped allah, a pagan arabian moon god. There's nothing holy about that. misterh: Why should I show you a place in the bible where angels appeared in a strange way? Muslims don't live by the bible, so it will be foolish to try to justify Islamic events by the book of another religion. But your allah told you to ask those of the scripture before yours sura 10:94-95 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. misterh: Concerning the bolded part, where did you read that he knew he had seen a demon, please? If he had seen an Angel of God, he wont have been afraid to the point that he was still frightened when he got home. All those Godly men who encountered Angels in the bible were never scared. misterh: I doubt you know that Muslims and Christians have different interpretations for how Jesus went about his ministry and the things he said. How can muslims know of the Jesus that they never saw more than the Christians who walked with Jesus, whom he ordained to do his work? How can Mohammad tell you about Jesus when his greatest grandfather wasn't even a sperm when the disciples of Jesus were walking, working and writing about him? He just showed up after 700 years and claimed to know better and that the disciples are wrong. Use your head. misterh: For instance, in John 58:80−82, Muslims believe he referred to the coming of another prophet. Also, in Deut 18:18 and Isaiah 29:12, Muslims believe that these verses referred to the coming of another prophet. How many times do we have to tell you muslims that those verses were not talking about Mohammad but Jesus with the book of John speaking about the Holy Spirit? I even explained some of these things in the OP. Oh, the Bible is no more corrupt. You now dug your nose in the Bible looking for references to Mohammad. ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) misterh: Muslims believe that Jesus came with The Gospel (Injeel). We believe that this was the original and pristine word that Jesus came with. Also, Waraqah did not ordain Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Where do you guys get this erroneous beliefs from? If you believe that Jesus came with a book called Injeel and you can't provide the book today, then it means you have believed in a lie. You see, Islam is a lie told against Jesus. If we can't find the book you muslims claim Jesus came with, then it means you are calling him a failure cos his book can't be found. But it's all a LIE. misterh: LMAOOO. How could you say Muslims stole christian stories? Then where else can one find somehting similar to the stories your quran has? Quran plagiarized the Bible. misterh: Muslims believe in the existence of Jesus as a prophet of God- just like other prophets. We also believe that he came with the Injeel (The Gospel). We believe all prophets came with the same message from God. So, there is bound to be similarities between the Bible and the Qur'an. All Prophets spoke of YAHWEH. Mohammad didn't. He came when there was no more need for a prophet cos Jesus, who is the way to God, the truth and the life had finally redeemed mankind. Mohammad came to steal, kill and to destroy like the terrorist that he became. misterh: Both Christianity and Islam acknowledge the existence of prophets like Moses, Abraham, Noah, Jesus, Joseph, Jonah, Isaac, Solomon and many others. So you can't accuse Islam of 'stealing' christian stories. There are similarities in the stories in both religions because the two religions (with Judaism) are the only monotheistic religions in the world. You stole those prophets who were never sent to you Arabs. You stole them and told a different story about them, people you never encountered nor knew anything about them if not for the Bible which you now claim is corrupt. 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Rilwayne001: 5:58pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by bahaushe1: 7:11pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
youngdabold: .........Adam should not be included,he is the reason why we are suffering today......He sinned first and being his descendants,we also inherited his sinful nature and that is why we die.......Christians should collaborate this My prayer is for God to guide me to the paths of His Prophets and Messengers, from Adam to Muhammad ( Peace be upon them). |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by enilove(m): 8:10pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
The greatest calamity is to die believing a lie which eventually leads to eternal suffering in hell.
Rather than argue why not go into prayer and ask your Creator to show you the right way. He will never mislead you.
This is for the Muslims, Christians and others. The fact that you believe in Jesus does not guarantee you heaven, it is to obey his commandments and be holy that will
God bless you all. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by misterh(m): 9:04pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
alBHAGDADI: You are not suppose to quote a Bible passage no matter what cos your Islam says it is corrupt. Even the verse you quoted has no correlation with your stance. Like I said, if you don't understand why i quoted the bible earlier, I can't help you again. I quoted that verse to show you that even your book supported what I said. Funny enough, you quoted the Qur'an and the Hadith in the comment of yours. Why did you quote the Qur'an if you don't believe in it? The answer you give might lead you to understanding why I quoted your bible. Also, if you can't see the correlation between the quoted verse about God's way being different from man's way, then you can't understand why God chose a certain way to appear to different people. alBHAGDADI: It won't stop cos Islam borught it upon itself when it stole Bible stories, twisted them and claimed its own version is the authentic one. It even went ahead to label a book that is 700 years and partly 1000 years older than it a fake and corrupted book. This alone rendered the quran the corrupt one. Do yourself a favour and read more on monotheism and Abrahamic religions. If you claim Islam stole Bible stories, were Moses, Noah, Joseph and other prophets christians for their stories to have appeared in Christianity's book, the Bible? Using your logic, adherents of Judaism can also accuse you of stealing stories of Moses as the Torah is their book. PLEASE RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND MONOTHEISM TO SEE WHY THERE ARE SIMILAR STORIES IN THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN! alBHAGDADI: He was. Read the encounter below
Sahih Muslim, Book 1, Hadith 301
There came to him the angel and said: Recite, to which he replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me [the Apostle said] and pressed me, till I was hard pressed; thereafter he let me off and said: Recite. I said: I am not lettered. He then again took hold of me and pressed me for the second time till I was hard pressed and then let me off and said: Recite, to which I replied: I am not lettered. He took hold of me and pressed me for the third time, till I was hard pressed and then let me go and said: Recite in the name of your Lord Who created, created man from a clot of blood. Recite. And your most bountiful Lord is He Who taught the use of pen, taught man what he knew not (al-Qur'an, xcvi. 1-4). Then the Prophet returned therewith, his heart was trembling, and he went to Khadija and said: Wrap me up, wrap me up! So they wrapped him till the fear had left him. He then said to Khadija: O Khadija! what has happened to me? and he informed her of the happening, saying: I fear for myself. LMAOOO. See who's quoting the Hadith now... So in your translation, if a man encounters a phenomenon that shook him- a phenomenon he had never seen before, it means he was threatened? Wow... We learn everyday sha. alBHAGDADI: You see, the meaning of angel is messenger. The angels who rebelled against God became demons and evil spirits. That didn't stop them from being angels/messengers. They remained angels but fallen ones who now run errands for Satan who was is a fallen angel himself. Hmmm.. So angels-turned-demons who disobey God can still retain their status as angels? Because you believe that doesn't mean a Muslim must also believe that. By the way, how many angels have rebelled against God? alBHAGDADI: So, the Waraqah that told Mohammad that it was Angel Gabriel he saw, did he go there to see the angel himself? ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) Does the doctor follow you home before he knows the kind of prescription to give you when you complain of an ailment? You do realize that Waraqah was a man who was learned man who was aware of the coming of another prophet, right? (You don't have to agree with this as it isn't recognsed in your religion; but I believe it because it is recognized in mine). alBHAGDADI: You don't understand the encounter at all. Paul was heading towards killing and arresting Christians. How do you expect such a man to be stopped? Read the encounter:
Acts 9:1-6
1 Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord’s disciples. He went to the high priest 2 and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3 As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4 He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, “Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?” 5 “Who are you, Lord?” Saul asked. “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,” he replied. 6 “Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do.”
Even after stopping him with blindness, Jesus Christ still ordered him to go and meet certain people who will heal him. Can you now see why the encounter was like that? How come we don't know why angel gabriel appeared to Mohammad in that horrific manner? Oh, you claim that God's ways are not shown to us. Remember I just showed you that Jesus Himself made his reasons for blinding Paul clear -Paul was going to kill Christians. Okay. alBHAGDADI: Not only Paul but Apostle John saw Jesus after His ascension, yet he wasn't frightened nor go blind. Like I said early, Paul went blind cos he was a sinful man who was on his way to kill Christians. If the strange being was from the Living God Yahweh, it will introduce itself. Moses saw the strange burning bush; that bush introduced itself as God speaking through it. An angel appeared to Mary: that angel introduced himself as Gabriel. Jesus appeared to Paul and still introduced himself. How come the strange being that appeared to Mohammad didn't introduce himself? Don't you think that if Waraqah had said it was a pig mohammad saw, the strange being's mission would have failed cos he didn't introduce himself? Your answer lies in Isaiah 55:8. Please direct me to the part of the bible where the Jesus appeared to John the apostle after ascension. alBHAGDADI: Like I said, he was from a pagan home and his grandfather worshipped allah, a pagan arabian moon god. There's nothing holy about that. I don't give a rat's a*se about what you said; I deal with facts. The facts have proven that Muhammad was not a pagan. If you pick up a book to read like I suggested earlier, you would have known better. alBHAGDADI: But your allah told you to ask those of the scripture before yours
sura 10:94-95 And if thou (Muhammad) art in doubt concerning that which We reveal unto thee, then question those who read the Scripture (that was) before thee. Oh! Look at who is quoting the Qur'an again? alBHAGDADI: If he had seen an Angel of God, he wont have been afraid to the point that he was still frightened when he got home. All those Godly men who encountered Angels in the bible were never scared.
How can muslims know of the Jesus that they never saw more than the Christians who walked with Jesus, whom he ordained to do his work? How can Mohammad tell you about Jesus when his greatest grandfather wasn't even a sperm when the disciples of Jesus were walking, working and writing about him? He just showed up after 700 years and claimed to know better and that the disciples are wrong. Use your head. Again, read more on Abrahamic religions. You thought Muhammad spoke of his own accord? You're mistaken. The words he spoke were revealed to him by God. Moreover, what I bolded is exactly what those who rejected the words of prophets like Jesus, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad said. Talmbout 'How can someone who was born yesterday tell us the religion and practices of our forefathers is wrong.alBHAGDADI: How many times do we have to tell you muslims that those verses were not talking about Mohammad but Jesus with the book of John speaking about the Holy Spirit? I even explained some of these things in the OP. And if you saw my first and previous comment on this post, you would see that I said both religions have different interpretations of the words of Jesus. Muslims believe he was a prophet who came with the Injeel and they believe the above verse referred to Muhammad (with their proofs) in those verses? You christians believe he referred to the Holy Spirit. What's the need for conflict then? For you is your religion and for me is my religion (Qur'an 109:6 )alBHAGDADI: Oh, the Bible is no more corrupt. You now dug your nose in the Bible looking for references to Mohammad. ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
If you believe that Jesus came with a book called Injeel and you can't provide the book today, then it means you have believed in a lie. In Islam, we believe that the Qur'an is the final and last book of God. The books of all other prophets have been superseded by the Qur'an. Furthermore, we believe that the bible in circulation today contain portions of the teachings of Jesus, but neither represent nor contain the original Gospel from God. (Again, you as a christian don't have the believe this; it is what Muslims believe). We Muslims also believe that the bible in circulation was not divinely revealed but rather are documents of the life of Jesus, as written by various contemporaries, disciples and companions. It is widely believed that John the apostle authored most of the books of the New Testament. alBHAGDADI: You see, Islam is a lie told against Jesus. If we can't find the book you muslims claim Jesus came with, then it means you are calling him a failure cos his book can't be found. But it's all a LIE. No Muslim would ever say the Jesus was a failure. It was not only Jesus that was given a book. In total, 4 prophets were given books. However, the Qur'an is the last revealed book. This last book has encompassed the teachings of the other books. alBHAGDADI: Then where else can one find somehting similar to the stories your quran has? Quran plagiarized the Bible. Again, read more on Monotheistic religions and Abrahamic religions. Therein lies your answers to your question. alBHAGDADI: All Prophets spoke of YAHWEH. Mohammad didn't. He came when there was no more need for a prophet cos Jesus, who is the way to God, the truth and the life had finally redeemed mankind. Mohammad came to steal, kill and to destroy like the terrorist that he became. If by Yahweh, you mean God, then yes, Muhammad came to preach about God. linguistically, Yahweh is a Jewish word that means God. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Concerning the bolded, if you can't talk about the prophet of my religion with respect, this conversation would have to end here. I have not spoken about your religion in a demeaning light. I thought we were having a civil conversation here. alBHAGDADI: You stole those prophets who were never sent to you Arabs. You stole them and told a different story about them, people you never encountered nor knew anything about them if not for the Bible which you now claim is corrupt. AGAIN, GO AND RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. That's all I have to say about this. 1 Like |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by ChiefMarumba: 10:23pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
misterh: Like I said, if you don't understand why i quoted the bible earlier, I can't help you again. I quoted that verse to show you that even your book supported what I said. Funny enough, you quoted the Qur'an and the Hadith in the comment of yours. Why did you quote the Qur'an if you don't believe in it? The answer you give might lead you to understanding why I quoted your bible. Also, if you can't see the correlation between the quoted verse about God's way being different from man's way, then you can't understand why God chose a certain way to appear to different people.
Do yourself a favour and read more on monotheism and Abrahamic religions. If you claim Islam stole Bible stories, were Moses, Noah, Joseph and other prophets christians for their stories to have appeared in Christianity's book, the Bible? Using your logic, adherents of Judaism can also accuse you of stealing stories of Moses as the Torah is their book. PLEASE RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND MONOTHEISM TO SEE WHY THERE ARE SIMILAR STORIES IN THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN!
LMAOOO. See who's quoting the Hadith now... So in your translation, if a man encounters a phenomenon that shook him- a phenomenon he had never seen before, it means he was threatened? Wow... We learn everyday sha.
Hmmm.. So angels-turned-demons who disobey God can still retain their status as angels? Because you believe that doesn't mean a Muslim must also believe that.
By the way, how many angels have rebelled against God?
Does the doctor follow you home before he knows the kind of prescription to give you when you complain of an ailment? You do realize that Waraqah was a man who was learned man who was aware of the coming of another prophet, right? (You don't have to agree with this as it isn't recognsed in your religion; but I believe it because it is recognized in mine).
Okay.
Your answer lies in Isaiah 55:8. Please direct me to the part of the bible where the Jesus appeared to John the apostle after ascension.
I don't give a rat's a*se about what you said; I deal with facts. The facts have proven that Muhammad was not a pagan. If you pick up a book to read like I suggested earlier, you would have known better.
Oh! Look at who is quoting the Qur'an again?
Again, read more on Abrahamic religions. You thought Muhammad spoke of his own accord? You're mistaken. The words he spoke were revealed to him by God. Moreover, what I bolded is exactly what those who rejected the words of prophets like Jesus, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad said. Talmbout 'How can someone who was born yesterday tell us the religion and practices of our forefathers is wrong.
And if you saw my first and previous comment on this post, you would see that I said both religions have different interpretations of the words of Jesus. Muslims believe he was a prophet who came with the Injeel and they believe the above verse referred to Muhammad (with their proofs) in those verses? You christians believe he referred to the Holy Spirit. What's the need for conflict then? For you is your religion and for me is my religion (Qur'an 109:6 )
In Islam, we believe that the Qur'an is the final and last book of God. The books of all other prophets have been superseded by the Qur'an. Furthermore, we believe that the bible in circulation today contain portions of the teachings of Jesus, but neither represent nor contain the original Gospel from God. (Again, you as a christian don't have the believe this; it is what Muslims believe). We Muslims also believe that the bible in circulation was not divinely revealed but rather are documents of the life of Jesus, as written by various contemporaries, disciples and companions. It is widely believed that John the apostle authored most of the books of the New Testament.
No Muslim would ever say the Jesus was a failure. It was not only Jesus that was given a book. In total, 4 prophets were given books. However, the Qur'an is the last revealed book. This last book has encompassed the teachings of the other books.
Again, read more on Monotheistic religions and Abrahamic religions. Therein lies your answers to your question.
If by Yahweh, you mean God, then yes, Muhammad came to preach about God. linguistically, Yahweh is a Jewish word that means God. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Concerning the bolded, if you can't talk about the prophet of my religion with respect, this conversation would have to end here. I have not spoken about your religion in a demeaning light. I thought we were having a civil conversation here.
AGAIN, GO AND RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. That's all I have to say about this. May ALLAH S.W.T. bless you, increase you in knowledge and wisdom. Am proud to be a Muslim and am proud of like you in this forum. 1 Like |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by abdabass: 11:14pm On Sep 26, 2017 |
Good day my Brother & everyone who care to seek and know the Truth,
Please open your heart and be objective when it comes to religious matter/discussion.
I am of the opinion that the issue regarding name is not important here but rather "who Jesus Christ is". How can Jesus be GOD when he tells us in the Book of Mark 12 v 29 "The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord". See also Math.19:17; Math.27:46; Mark 10:18 these are but few verses to show you that Jesus in not god; not one of the god (trinity). And that Jesus is different from God.
Kindly find time to go through these attachments to understand what Jesus Christ is to the Muslims. You will also know his purpose on earth, because he was not sent to die for you.
Best regards. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by HajimeSaito(m): 12:00am On Sep 27, 2017 |
misterh: Dude, keep your emotions in check. Did I hit a nerve when I told you you could have been civil in your post? Ehya! Sorry ehn.. I can't promise it won't happen again though.
I don't know the religion you're referring to in this comment of yours. Certainly, it's not mine.
If there's anyone who should endeavour to use his brain from time to time, you might want to check the mirror for him.
Cheers and have a good night! Typical of the lower life form that you are. You scum never disappoint. No matter how much a gorilla tries to pretend, it will never be accepted as a human being. Your stup.idd pedophile, Sex Award Winner ( S.A.W ) fake " prophet " deserves blind followers like you. Blind follower of a blind prophet whose reward for obedience is a paradise of sex.
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by misterh(m): 12:02am On Sep 27, 2017 |
ChiefMarumba: May ALLAH S.W.T. bless you, increase you in knowledge and wisdom. Am proud to be a Muslim and am proud of like you in this forum. Ameen. May Allah set our affairs aright. 1 Like |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by HajimeSaito(m): 12:08am On Sep 27, 2017 |
misterh: Like I said, if you don't understand why i quoted the bible earlier, I can't help you again. I quoted that verse to show you that even your book supported what I said. Funny enough, you quoted the Qur'an and the Hadith in the comment of yours. Why did you quote the Qur'an if you don't believe in it? The answer you give might lead you to understanding why I quoted your bible. Also, if you can't see the correlation between the quoted verse about God's way being different from man's way, then you can't understand why God chose a certain way to appear to different people.
Do yourself a favour and read more on monotheism and Abrahamic religions. If you claim Islam stole Bible stories, were Moses, Noah, Joseph and other prophets christians for their stories to have appeared in Christianity's book, the Bible? Using your logic, adherents of Judaism can also accuse you of stealing stories of Moses as the Torah is their book. PLEASE RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS AND MONOTHEISM TO SEE WHY THERE ARE SIMILAR STORIES IN THE BIBLE AND THE QUR'AN!
LMAOOO. See who's quoting the Hadith now... So in your translation, if a man encounters a phenomenon that shook him- a phenomenon he had never seen before, it means he was threatened? Wow... We learn everyday sha.
Hmmm.. So angels-turned-demons who disobey God can still retain their status as angels? Because you believe that doesn't mean a Muslim must also believe that.
By the way, how many angels have rebelled against God?
Does the doctor follow you home before he knows the kind of prescription to give you when you complain of an ailment? You do realize that Waraqah was a man who was learned man who was aware of the coming of another prophet, right? (You don't have to agree with this as it isn't recognsed in your religion; but I believe it because it is recognized in mine).
Okay.
Your answer lies in Isaiah 55:8. Please direct me to the part of the bible where the Jesus appeared to John the apostle after ascension.
I don't give a rat's a*se about what you said; I deal with facts. The facts have proven that Muhammad was not a pagan. If you pick up a book to read like I suggested earlier, you would have known better.
Oh! Look at who is quoting the Qur'an again?
Again, read more on Abrahamic religions. You thought Muhammad spoke of his own accord? You're mistaken. The words he spoke were revealed to him by God. Moreover, what I bolded is exactly what those who rejected the words of prophets like Jesus, Abraham, Moses and Muhammad said. Talmbout 'How can someone who was born yesterday tell us the religion and practices of our forefathers is wrong.
And if you saw my first and previous comment on this post, you would see that I said both religions have different interpretations of the words of Jesus. Muslims believe he was a prophet who came with the Injeel and they believe the above verse referred to Muhammad (with their proofs) in those verses? You christians believe he referred to the Holy Spirit. What's the need for conflict then? For you is your religion and for me is my religion (Qur'an 109:6 )
In Islam, we believe that the Qur'an is the final and last book of God. The books of all other prophets have been superseded by the Qur'an. Furthermore, we believe that the bible in circulation today contain portions of the teachings of Jesus, but neither represent nor contain the original Gospel from God. (Again, you as a christian don't have the believe this; it is what Muslims believe). We Muslims also believe that the bible in circulation was not divinely revealed but rather are documents of the life of Jesus, as written by various contemporaries, disciples and companions. It is widely believed that John the apostle authored most of the books of the New Testament.
No Muslim would ever say the Jesus was a failure. It was not only Jesus that was given a book. In total, 4 prophets were given books. However, the Qur'an is the last revealed book. This last book has encompassed the teachings of the other books.
Again, read more on Monotheistic religions and Abrahamic religions. Therein lies your answers to your question.
If by Yahweh, you mean God, then yes, Muhammad came to preach about God. linguistically, Yahweh is a Jewish word that means God. Allah is the Arabic word for God. Concerning the bolded, if you can't talk about the prophet of my religion with respect, this conversation would have to end here. I have not spoken about your religion in a demeaning light. I thought we were having a civil conversation here.
AGAIN, GO AND RESEARCH ON ABRAHAMIC RELIGIONS. That's all I have to say about this. Listen to this fool. The only Abrahamic religions are Judaism and Christianity. Hence the expression Judeo-Christian. Pisslam has never been accepted by either Christians or Jews as having any authenticity. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by misterh(m): 12:09am On Sep 27, 2017 |
HajimeSaito:
Typical of the lower life form that you are. You scum never disappoint. No matter how much a gorilla tries to pretend, it will never be accepted as a human being. Your stup.idd pedophile, Sex Award Winner ( S.A.W ) fake " prophet " deserves blind followers like you. Blind follower of a blind prophet whose reward for obedience is a paradise of sex. Awwww.... It must really suck to be you right now. Take a deep breath and drink some chilled water. Also, make sure you're sitting so as to prevent you hitting the floor from all these hypertension-inducing bile you possess. Have a good night. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by misterh(m): 12:14am On Sep 27, 2017 |
HajimeSaito:
Listen to this fool. The only Abrahamic religions are Judaism and Christianity. Hence the expression Judeo-Christian. Pisslam has never been accepted by either Christians or Jews as having any authenticity. Adults are discussing here, kid. Run along and play with your fellow kids. If only you could utilize the internet at your disposal to do some simple research, you will not be spewing this nonsense. A simple Google search would have pulled you outta this sea of ignorance you're sinking in. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by HajimeSaito(m): 12:24am On Sep 27, 2017 |
misterh: Awwww.... It must really suck to be you right now. Take a deep breath and drink some chilled water. Also, make sure you're sitting so as to prevent you hitting the floor from all these hypertension-inducing bile you possess.
Have a good night. And you can gorge yourself on camel urine just like your moronic "prophet " taught you ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png) ![](https://www.frontpagemag.com/sites/default/files/styles/article_full/public/uploads/2015/12/camel-urine-islam-muhammad.jpg?itok=qvmFwkwU) [img][/img] |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Rashduct4luv(m): 9:19am On Sep 27, 2017 |
true2god: Was waraqa guided by allahh to tell Mohammed that the entity he met at the cave is jibril? I don't think so because waraqah never believed in allahh, nor worshiped at kabba. We can as well conclude that it was a Christian that authenticated the alleged Prophethood of Mohammed. Mohammed recognized the fact that it is only a Christian that can approve his prophethood, hence his confidence in the judgment of waraqa, and his wife khadija. This does not mean that I accepted waraqa's judgement because he was not there with Mohammed, at the cave, and he did not do any personal check to verify Mohammed's claim, whether he was lying or not.
The Qur'an did not also talk anything about waraqa, and this makes Islam seriously not trustworthy. How can one of the most important person that assist set up islam completely missing in the Quran? Even the so-called jibril did not tell Mohammed anything about waraqa, despite the fact that it was waraqa that told Mohammed that the spirit whom he (Mohammed) allegedly encountered at the cave is hira was jibril. And again, Mohammed didn't even see the so-called jibril face to face, it was only a voice he heard.
Putting all Mohammed's claim in a complete scrutiny one can easily see that the whole story do not add up. It is all a make-believe forced down on the 7th century desert illiterate Arabs who have little or no sense of seeing things in a very rational and logical way. If Mohammed comes up with this story of his encounter with jibril, in today's world, he will be sent to a psychiatric home. He made complete use of the opportunity he had then to brainwash and conquer his fellow backward desert Arabs. Put Prejudice and bias by the side, Muhammad just saw the Angel for the first time. Who do you expect him to turn to? Of cos his wife. And the wife took him to Waraqah since she trusted him as family & a true follower of Christ. We Muslims believe that those that follow Allah through their Prophets are Muslims. We have the Qur'an and the Authentic Hadiths as our constitutions in Islam. It can not be found in the Qur'an but it is recorded in the Sunnah! The reference was attached yet u cant even read between the lines. How is this narration not explanatory enough? When Moses saw the burning bush, what happened? Sometimes people can be blinded by criticism. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by abdulmalik3(m): 11:35am On Sep 27, 2017 |
Blackfire:
Tell me u are joking or st.up.id it's glaring you are an idiot |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by true2god: 1:13pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:
Put Prejudice and bias by the side, Muhammad just saw the Angel for the first time. Who do you expect him to turn to? Of cos his wife. And the wife took him to Waraqah since she trusted him as family & a true follower of Christ. We Muslims believe that those that follow Allah through their Prophets are Muslims. We have the Qur'an and the Authentic Hadiths as our constitutions in Islam. It can not be found in the Qur'an but it is recorded in the Sunnah! The reference was attached yet u cant even read between the lines.
How is this narration not explanatory enough? When Moses saw the burning bush, what happened? Sometimes people can be blinded by criticism. Bros, Mohammed did not see any angel, he only heard a voice of an unknown entity whom he (Mohammed) didn't know, neither did the entity introduced himself to Mohammed. He only asked Mohammed to 'READ' after choking him severely. Mohammed replied that he cannot read because he is not lettered. Let's get the facts right. There is no any angel of God that will attempt to choke human being to death, before passing a message across, except the Islamic Jibril. Even in this modern era it is only a demonic force that oppress a human being. A human being can be frighten upon seeing a strange being but that being, if it is an Angel, will always ask his 'client' to be calm. This particular pattern is consistent throughout the Bible. Why will Mohammed's experience be 100% opposite? You said the wife took him to waraqa, That is true. The hadith and the sirah, aside from waraqa telling Mohammed the entity he saw was an angel, recorded no any other activity concerning waraqa. The life of waraqa, whether pious or not, cannot be independently verified. What if waraqa had told Mohammed a lie to massage his ego? No one can say. Waraqa is so important in islam that it will be wrong if no one knew anything about him. Without waraqa, there is no Islam. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Rashduct4luv(m): 2:10pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
true2god: Bros, Mohammed did not see any angel, he only heard a voice of an unknown entity whom he (Mohammed) didn't know, neither did the entity introduced himself to Mohammed. He only asked Mohammed to 'READ' after choking him severely. Mohammed replied that he cannot read because he is not lettered. Let's get the facts right.
There is no any angel of God that will attempt to choke human being to death, before passing a message across, except the Islamic Jibril. Even in this modern era it is only a demonic force that oppress a human being. A human being can be frighten upon seeing a strange being but that being, if it is an Angel, will always ask his 'client' to be calm. This particular pattern is consistent throughout the Bible. Why will Mohammed's experience be 100% opposite?
You said the wife took him to waraqa, That is true. The hadith and the sirah, aside from waraqa telling Mohammed the entity he saw was an angel, recorded no any other activity concerning waraqa. The life of waraqa, whether pious or not, cannot be independently verified. What if waraqa had told Mohammed a lie to massage his ego? No one can say.
Waraqa is so important in islam that it will be wrong if no one knew anything about him. Without waraqa, there is no Islam. This means you have read all books on Islamic Seerah to have opined that no one knew anything about him. I pity your ignorance bro. |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Blackfire(m): 2:13pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
abdulmalik3: it's glaring you are an idiot Asamu alaiykum |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by alBHAGDADI: 2:20pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
true2god: Bros, Mohammed did not see any angel, he only heard a voice of an unknown entity whom he (Mohammed) didn't know, neither did the entity introduced himself to Mohammed. He only asked Mohammed to 'READ' after choking him severely. Mohammed replied that he cannot read because he is not lettered. Let's get the facts right.
There is no any angel of God that will attempt to choke human being to death, before passing a message across, except the Islamic Jibril. Even in this modern era it is only a demonic force that oppress a human being. A human being can be frighten upon seeing a strange being but that being, if it is an Angel, will always ask his 'client' to be calm. This particular pattern is consistent throughout the Bible. Why will Mohammed's experience be 100% opposite?
You said the wife took him to waraqa, That is true. The hadith and the sirah, aside from waraqa telling Mohammed the entity he saw was an angel, recorded no any other activity concerning waraqa. The life of waraqa, whether pious or not, cannot be independently verified. What if waraqa had told Mohammed a lie to massage his ego? No one can say.
Waraqa is so important in islam that it will be wrong if no one knew anything about him. Without waraqa, there is no Islam. Exactly the same thing I've been explaining. Imagine a postman comes to your house to deliver a message. As soon you open the door, he grabs your neck and chokes you before flinging you against the wall. If the first time was a mistake, how come he did it three times? Put yourself in that position. If it was you, will you still see such a Postman as a messenger or someone sent to kill you? Can muslims now see why God can never send an Angel of His to deliver a message in the manner Mohammad encountered with that being? |
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by true2god: 4:42pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
Rashduct4luv:
This means you have read all books on Islamic Seerah to have opined that no one knew anything about him. I pity your ignorance bro. Can you tell us any important thing/incidence recorded on waraqa in the sirah rasul allahh? |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by abosaid(m): 8:54pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
mikeweezy: Christianity I was born into Christianity I will die in it ....God owned religion can you give two verses in your bible where christianity is mentioned as a religion from God. 1 Like |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by abosaid(m): 9:08pm On Sep 27, 2017 |
HajimeSaito:
And you can gorge yourself on camel urine just like your moronic "prophet " taught you ![grin](https://www.nairaland.com/faces/grin.png)
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you are right. it is medicine. That is one of benefit mekes Islam best religion. 1 Like |
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Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Rashduct4luv(m): 10:36am On Sep 28, 2017 |
true2god: Can you tell us any important thing/incidence recorded on waraqa in the sirah rasul allahh? I don't need to tell you Go get the book and read The Priest & the Prophet: The Christian Priest, Waraqa Ibn Nawfal's Profound Influence Upon Muhammad, the Prophet of Islam by Juzif Qazzi |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by abdulmalik3(m): 5:48pm On Sep 28, 2017 |
Blackfire:
Asamu alaiykum it's asalamu alaikum |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by Blackfire(m): 6:19pm On Sep 28, 2017 |
abdulmalik3: it's asalamu alaikum Illiterate.... There is a difference between asamu and asalam Oponu must I teach everything |
Re: Counter Thread To What Muslims Believe Concerning Jesus Christ by abdulmalik3(m): 9:36pm On Sep 28, 2017 |
Blackfire:
Illiterate....
There is a difference between asamu and asalam
Oponu must I teach everything you are really mad, chronic madness, blunt. What's asamu then? |