Chubhie:

Vanessa is sharing her subjective experiences of two worlds. All the shaming and threats of hell fire won't cut it not until you know what it feels like to walk in Vanessa's shoes.

On my personal journey, I passed through Islam and still maintains that Islam is beautiful.

Everyone deserves the right to evolve at their own pace.

orisa37:
You were a Baby Christian, not Born Again, when you converted.

analice107:

I know dear. What i mean is, whatever will present itself in the place of Christ in my life, i walk away.

In her case, marriage took her away from Christ, that's if she ever even knew Him.
You can never love Christ and fall out of love with Him again.

analice107:

My questions remains unanswered. See? this is how we catch people who lie that they were Christians whereas, they werent.

Make her answer my questions then we can talk.

Richdotcom:


Yes true words!

Chubhie:

Such authority you arrogate yourself.Let's hope vanessa indulges you so that your office can stamp her with your seal of christian approval.

analice107:

Lol. I have no authority of my own, but when a person comes up with the kind of claims she made here, she shd be prepared for questions. For whatever reason, i'm very nice and gentle on her.

Let me state here that she is a lair. If she was a Christian and was involved in all she said she was involved in, the questions i asked won't take her a minute to answer. Why is she acting like she didn't see them?

What does sanctification means @Vennessa?

Where you sanctified? You were a Committed Christian for 20yrs, were you sanctified?

Chubhie:

Vanessa is sharing her subjective experiences of two worlds. All the shaming and threats of hell fire won't cut it not until you know what it feels like to walk in Vanessa's shoes.

On my personal journey, I passed through Islam and still maintains that Islam is beautiful.

Everyone deserves the right to evolve at their own pace.

Chubhie:

Allow her to first finish sharing her experiences. I believe the questions and answers sessions will follow once she has landed.

Dont provoke her to go ballistic on you. Remember she's a lecturer,have had a taste of two worlds and you know a muslim stands a shoulder high in comparison?

hopefulLandlord:


more like bullsheet words

its funny how both Muslims and Christians pull the no true Scotsman fallacy all the time

it always sound cool cuz its what you want to hear but scratch the surface and it makes no sense!

analice107:

Oh Wow, i'm so scared of this lecturer. I'm so shaken right now with fear of her. buhahahahahahaha.

Yes, she claims she has a taste of two worlds, why then is it very hard for her to detail her epiphany in the world she left just last year? I's amazing how under 1 year she knows so much of Islam and less of the Christianity she had been in for 20yrs.
Doesnt that tell you something?

Muslims stands a shoulder high with who?


@Vennessa, i will like to debate you on Islamic matters, pls open a thread just the two of us, lets see how you'd stand a shoulder high against me.

Chubhie:
Make una tag for that no holds barred thread so i can come and learn.
Over to you Vanessa.

Richdotcom:


Your cup of tea...... ✌️

analice107:

Pls ignore him completely.

vannessa7:


The essence of Christianity is far from holiness, Jesus said he did not come for the Holy people but unholy, You have to qualify, it's spiritual law, you can't be guiltless and still be convicted, What ever Apostle Paul wrote cannot be taken as the word of Christ, He introduced so many idea and he said so himself, look closely at Jesus ministrations and see his message which is to direct man to serve the only living God, the Quran came after the injeel so Jesus saying he is the way has no basis for comparison, all I know is I believe Jesus is a prophet of God born by the Virgin Mary through the word of God and he is coming at the last da.y after the trumpet has been blown as it is written in the Quran and the Bible but God and Jesus did not ask us to worship Jesus in replacement of God, worshipping him along with God is breaking the law of God and earning a curse, that is why many are languishing under heavy affliction of the devil and they are Christians.

vannessa7:


You know, I'm answering you because you seem sincere and you insist, well this is my take, I can only speak of my experiences in the two religions, I will not be forced to make claims I'm not sure of in order to score cheap points, having said that, the Quran said Jesus came by the word of God, be, and he was created, it also said Angel Gabriel breathed in the sleeve of Mary and she conceive by the spirit of God, then it says at crucifixion the likeness of Jesus was put upon another person and the person was crucified instead but Jesus went to heaven alive. I don't use the name of Jesus to pray again because the covenant I'm under doesn't require that, we pray directly to God five times daily demonstrating our worship of God only by bowing, also the Quran didn't ask us to, the Holy Spirit is a creature of God to Muslim's just like Angels, subservient to God and submissive to His will, the Quran said God use the Holy Spirit to create all things, I don't think a Muslim needs to be baptized in the Holy Spirit because when you are holy, it means you carry the Holy Spirit, I remembered feeling a rush of the Holy Spirit the first time I entered a mosque, I still feel it now when I'm praying, that is why we cannot be possessed, the reason for low crime rate in the north is not because they are specially brought up, but the demons possessing people making them to commit various crimes will not just be able to stay in you if you perform your five salat daily. I already said if I had started my Christian journey in rccg I might not be in this situation but the first church I attended kept manifesting while I was at rccg, I think another plus for Islam is you don't have to wait for days before you can connect seriously, each time you do salat you get recharged, the devil doesn't rest or wait till Sunday to afflict people, he works 24/7

shadeyinka:


I had experience her kind of pains before. It can be frustrating when you pray everyday for deliverance but nothing seems to change.

The truth of the matter is that God seldom help us to chase away demons. He has given us the power to do so by ourselves. Unfortunately, our pastors usually don't teach us the art of spiritual warfare. They prefer that we bring our problems to them.

There is a difference between Praying to God and Fighting/Casting out demons. I learnt the hard way but thank God I overcame(Four Solid years of daily Praying).

I know the difference between ASKING and COMMANDING. If you don't use your authority in Christ to command demons out, you will suffer eh! Demons understand only the language of Pain, Force and Authority.

Her Holy Spirit is not the one you know o. Her Holy Spirit is Jubril (' the supposed Angle Gabriel"

vannessa7:
I'm going to say this to buttress my point, I once heard Pastor Adeboye saying he doesn't understand why the Holy Spirit did not allow apostle Paul to go to Asia with the gospel because now they serve several idols, I think the answer is because Christianity cannot handle them at their level of idolatry, in fact when I watch zee world I always imagined the kind of havoc those idols will cause if Indians embrace Christianity, it's only Islam that can handle such level of idolatry and they will be OK, even when they were colonised they didn't embrace Christianity from their colonial master but they have Islam now with one of the most beautiful mosque in the world, though they have Christianity too but in very small percentage and I don't wonder why, the fact is Christianity is not for everybody, there will always be some people like me who need to worship God without associating partners with Him before the devil will leave them alone. people should please read between the lines to get my inference, I cannot be repeating myself, salam

umarsheks6:
IS THE BIBLE TRUE GOD'S WORDS??
This question has raised alot of speculations
about the credibility and authenticity of the Holy
writ called "BIBLE"...In this article I will try to
reveal some things 'latent' in the Bible.
We all know that if truly a book is from God
through revelation or inspiration... It must be
error-free and must contain no form of
contradictions, discrepancies,falsification,
fabrications or misrepresentation whatsoever..
(1)God's comparison— GENESIS 1:26-27 explains
dat God creates man in his own image..but the
case is different in ISAIAH 40:18-25 where God
says, " to whom will u liken me or shall i be
equal? Says the Holy "one". So this is a
contradiction within d bible..
(2) Another question is can humans see God?..
(When God didnt reveal himself to Prophet Musa
(Moses) A.S.)....EXODUS 33:20 reads "thou shall
not see the face of God and live" This is nat d
case in Amos 9:1..where Amos claims he saw God
Almighty on the altar (How absurd?! )...similarly
in Jacob wrestled with God and defeated him and
his life was preserved (check GENESIS 32: 30) And
also ISAIAH 6:1..How can God reveal this kind of
contradictions ( IMPOSSIBLE)
(3)TEMPTATION: Which one shoud I believe??God
cannot tempt man(James 1:13)....OR...God
tempted Abraham (Genesis 22:1)
(4) SAUL'S DEATH: Which 1 shud I bliv??.. Saul
committed suicide (1 Samuel
31:4-6) ..OR...philistines slain Saul in Gilboa..
(2nd Samuel 21:12)
(5) JESUS DEATH: Which 1 shud I bliv??...JESUS
cried..committed his soul unto God and died
(Luke23:46)....OR...Jesus was given Vinegar and
died afta drinking it(John 19:30)
(6)JOSEPH FATHER: which one shud I
beliv??..Joseph son of Jacob
(Matthew1: 16) OR Joseph son of Heli (Luke3:23)
(7)SOLOMON ARMY: Wch 1 shud I
bliv??...Solomon had FORTY thousand horses (1
kings 4:26) ....OR.. Solomon had FOUR thousand
horses (2 chronicle 9:25)
( MICHAL STORY: WHich 1 shud I
beliv.??...Michal had no child(2 Samuel
6:23)...OR Michal had 5 children (2 samuel 21:
(9)AHAZIAH AGE: which one should I
beliv??..AHAZIAH was 42 years old (2 Chronicle
22:2)...OR... Two and 20 years old AHAZIAH (2
KINGS8:26)
(10)CRUCIFIXION OR CRUCI-FICTION: None of
Jesus disciples witnessed his death..they all
forsook him and fled (MARK 14:50)...JESUS came
to preach oneness of God not TRINITY or die for
sins (MARK 1:38. AND JOHN 17:4).....The question
is: If none of the disciples witnessed his death...
How did they know about the full story??....
Moreover JESUS was unwilling to die ..(Check
John8:68...John10:39..Luke 22:36..Luke
4:43..Matthew 26:22 ..Matt 26: 36-39and so
on)...Also After JESUS found out he was going to
be killed, the bible says he dint walk among the
jews anymore. Then he told his disciples to buy
swords for fighting to save his life (LUKE 22:38)
THE QUESTION IS IF HE KNEW HE WAS GOING TO
DIE FOR HUMANS SINS...WHY DIDNT HE LET
HIMSELF BE CAPTURED.??..WHY DID HE ORDER
HIS DISCIPLES TO BUY SWORDS ??
(11) JESUS as servant NOT GOD : MATTHEW 12:18
(12)JESUS AS A PROPHET NOT GOD.. (MATTHEW
21:45-46)
(13) GOD IS STUPID??...1ST CORINTHIANS 1:25 ..
("because the stupidity of God is wiser than
wisdom of Man" How can you compare God's
stupidity
(14) GOD SHAVING BEARD: ISAIAH 7:20 (HOW
COME??)...Were you there Mr ISAIAH??
(15) JESUS IS GOING TO HELL IN THE
BIBLE?? /..jesus said that whosoever calls his
fellow brothers FOOLS will enta Hell fire
( MATTHEW 5:22)...and after saying this according
to the BIBLE.. he then called some people FOOLS
(MATTHEW 23:17)
. With these.erroneous excerpts from the Holy
Writ called The BIBLE.... one can say its not a
revelation from ALLAH(GOD ALMIGHTY ) because
his words neva change or contain errors
ALLAH SAYS AND I QOUTE
. Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 109:
Many of the followers of the Book wish that they
could turn you back into unbelievers after your
faith, out of envy from themselves, (even) after
the truth has become manifest to them; but
pardon and forgive, so that Allah should bring
about His command; surely Allah has power over
all things.
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 111:
And they say: None shall enter the garden (or
paradise) except he who is a Jew or a Christian.
These are their vain desires. Say: Bring your
proof if you are truthful.
(English - Shakir)
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 112:
Yes! whoever submits himself entirely to Allah
and he is the doer of good (to others) he has his
reward from his Lord, and there is no fear for him
nor shall he grieve.
(English - Shakir)
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 113:
And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow
anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews
do not follow anything (good) while they recite
the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have
no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah
shall judge between them on the day of
resurrection in what they differ.
(English - Shakir)
Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 113:
And the Jews say: The Christians do not follow
anything (good) and the Christians say: The Jews
do not follow anything (good) while they recite
the (same) Book. Even thus say those who have
no knowledge, like to what they say; so Allah
shall judge between them on the day of
resurrection in what they differ.
(English - Shakir)
Mind u...sinc i was born.. i v neva seen any
contradictions in d QURAN like dese.. it shows D
QURAN is d complete n correct words of God
ASALAMU ALAYKUM MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS
IN ISLAM....NOW YOU SEE HOW LUCKY YOU ARE
THAT ALLAH SHOWED YOU THE LIGHT AND THE
RIGHT PATH.... I KNOW MANY CHRISTIANS WILL
READ THIS AND REJECT THE TRUTH.. THIS IS
BECAUSE ALLAH SHOWS WHOSOEVER HE WILLS
THE RIGHT PATH..
CHRISTIANS BLUNDER!
TRYING TO EQUALIZE JESUS CHRIST {PBUH} WITH
THE ALMIGHTY GOD-THEY KEEP HAVING
PROBLEM...
Am going to quote from three {3} different
versions of the Bible, the popular John 1:1-3 that
the Christians normally use to fool and deceive
the innocent souls.....
We analyze it, and at the end we see how
ERRONEOUS it is to take a creature {Jesus} for
the Creator {ALLAH}.....
{1}---John 1:1-3 of the King James Version of the
Bible reads:- "In the beginning was the word and
the word was with God and the word was God.
He was with God in the beginning, all things
were made through him and without him was not
anything made that was made."
{2}---John 1:1-3 of the New World Translation
Version of the Bible reads:- In the beginning the
word was and the word was with God and the
word was god. All things came into existence
through him and apart from him not even one
thing came into existence."
{3}---John 1:1-3 of the living Bible reads:- "Before
anything else existed there was Christ with God.
He has always been alive and is himself God. He
created everything there is - nothing exists that
he did not make."
Amusing! I hope men of understanding can
found out the differences, contradictions,
variations, and interpolations therein?
In the King James Version of the Bible, it is
written that the word was God.
In the New World Translation Version of the
Bible, It is written that the word was not God.
(Capital Letter) But the word was a god.
In the Living Bible, Christ is place instead of the
word in order to confuse the readers.
Now, on a more sincere note; Can any Evangelist,
Pastor, Reverend, Deacon, Deaconess, Born-again
Christian tell Us why these changes occur within
the context of John 1:1-3 of different Versions of
the Bible
Is the Word whom you Christians claim to be
Jesus God or a god?
The Bible indeed indeed dumped all Christians
in to Error.....
John 1:1-3 is one of the outstanding lies the
Trinitarians use to support their belief about the
God ship of Jesus Christ.
To further nail them, Let's put this Verse on
Mathematical scale and you all will only see that
we come to a blasphemous conclusion that there
were two Gods in the beginning..
Please, i urge all the Christians to wear their eye
glasses and read>>> John 1:1-3...
Let the word that was with God from the
beginning=X and let God =Y..
Since Jesus=Word.. Therefore X=Jesus and Y=God.
Then Word +God =X+Y=Jesus+God......
But according to John 10:30, Jesus =God. Jesus
+God=God+God= 2Gods (QED).
Written BY ABDUL-MUJIB IBN ABDUL-RAHEEM...
(May ALLAH reward you for sharing this post)

umarsheks6:
Following is a chart that lists the verses in the Quran that
teach about Jesus . There are many other verses that mention
him, but they are largely repetitive. The English version used
is the Usuf Ali Translation of 1985. http://quran.com
Teaching Verse
Jesus was
born of a virgin
He said: "Nay, I am only a messenger from
thy Lord, (to announce) to thee the gift of a
holy son. 20 She said: "How shall I have a
son, seeing that no man has touched me ,
and I am not unchaste?" 21 He said: "So (it
will be): Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me:
and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto
men and a Mercy from Us': It is a matter
(so) decreed." (19:19-21, Yusif Ali)
And (remember) her who guarded her
chastity : We breathed into her of Our spirit,
and We made her and her son a sign for all
peoples. (21:91, Yusif Ali)
Jesus
strengthened
with the Holy
Spirit
We gave Moses the Book and followed him
up with a succession of messengers; We
gave Jesus the son of Mary Clear (Signs)
and strengthened him with the holy spirit . Is
it that whenever there comes to you a
messenger with what ye yourselves desire
not, ye are puffed up with pride?- Some ye
called impostors, and others ye slay! (2:87,
Yusif Ali)
Jesus was
given
revelation by
Allah
He said: "I am indeed a servant of Allah: He
hath given me revelation and made me a
prophet. (19:30, Yusif Ali)
Jesus taken
bodily into
Heaven
Behold! Allah said: "O Jesus! I will take thee
and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of
the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I
will make those who follow thee superior to
those who reject faith, to the Day of
Resurrection: Then shall ye all return unto
me, and I will judge between you of the
matters wherein ye dispute. (3:55, Yusif Ali)
Jesus was
created
The similitude of Jesus before Allah is as
that of Adam; He created him from dust ,
then said to him: "Be". And he was. (3:59,
Yusif Ali)
Deny Jesus'
Crucifixion
That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ
Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of
Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified
him, but so it was made to appear to them,
and those who differ therein are full of
doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but
only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they
killed him not. (4:157,Yusif Ali)
Jesus is no
more than a
messenger of
Allah
O People of the Book! Commit no excesses
in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but
the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was
(no more than) a messenger of Allah, and
His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and
a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in
Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity":
desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is
one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is
He) above having a son. To Him belong all
things in the heavens and on earth. And
enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.
(4:171, Yusif Ali)
Christ the son of Mary was no more than a
messenger; many were the messengers that
passed away before him. His mother was a
woman of truth. They had both to eat their
(daily) food. See how Allah doth make His
signs clear to them; yet see in what ways
they are deluded away from the truth!
(5:575, Yusif Ali)
Jesus was a
miracle worker
We have made some of these messengers
to excel the others among them are they to
whom Allah spoke, and some of them He
exalted by (many degrees of) rank; and We
gave clear miracles to Isa son of Marium ,
and strengthened him with the holy spirit.
And if Allah had pleased, those after them
would not have fought one with another
after clear arguments had come to them,
but they disagreed; so there were some of
them who believed and others who denied;
and if Allah had pleased they would not have
fought one with another, but Allah brings
about what He intends. (2:253, Shakir)
Jesus, Son of
Mary, did not
say to worship
himself or
Mary
And behold! Allah will say: "O Jesus the son
of Mary! Didst thou say unto men, worship
me and my mother as gods in derogation of
Allah'?" He will say: "Glory to Thee! never
could I say what I had no right (to say) . Had
I said such a thing, thou wouldst indeed
have known it. Thou knowest what is in my
heart, Thou I know not what is in Thine. For
Thou knowest in full all that is hidden.
(5:116, Yusif Ali)
Allah sent the
Gospel to
Jesus
And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son
of Mary, confirming the Law that had come
before him: We sent him the Gospel : therein
was guidance and light, and confirmation of
the Law that had come before him: a
guidance and an admonition to those who
fear Allah. (5:46, Yusif Ali)
Then, in their wake, We followed them up
with (others of) Our messengers: We sent
after them Jesus the son of Mary, and
bestowed on him the Gospel; and We
ordained in the hearts of those who followed
him Compassion and Mercy. But the
Monasticism which they invented for
themselves, We did not prescribe for them:
(We commanded) only the seeking for the
Good Pleasure of Allah; but that they did not
foster as they should have done. Yet We
bestowed, on those among them who
believed, their (due) reward, but many of
them are rebellious transgressors. (57:27,
Yusif Ali)
You are cursed
if you say
Jesus is God's
son
The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the
Christians call Christ the son of Allah . That
is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they
but imitate what the unbelievers of old used
to say. Allah's curse be on them : how they
are deluded away from the Truth! (9:30,
Yusif Ali)
Jesus spoke as
a child
But she pointed to the babe . They said:
"How can we talk to one who is a child in
the cradle? 30 He said: "I am indeed a
servant of God: He hath given me revelation
and made me a prophet" (19:29-30, Yusif
Ali)
Deny Jesus is
Son of God
Such (was) Jesus the son of Mary: (it is) a
statement of truth, about which they (vainly)
dispute. 35 It is not befitting to (the majesty
of) Allah that He should beget a son . Glory
be to Him! when He determines a matter, He
only says to it, "Be", and it is. (19:34-35,
Yusif Ali)
Jesus is the
Son of Mary
And remember We took from the prophets
their covenant: As (We did) from thee: from
Noah, Abraham, Moses, and Jesus the son
of Mary: We took from them a solemn
covenant: (33:7, Yusif Ali)
Jesus was no
more than a
Servant
When (Jesus) the son of Mary is held up as
an example, behold, thy people raise a
clamour thereat (in ridicule)! 58 And they
say, "Are our gods best, or he?" This they
set forth to thee, only by way of disputation:
yea, they are a contentious people. 59 He
was no more than a servant: We granted Our
favour to him, and We made him an example
to the Children of Israel. (43:57-59, Yusif Ali)
Jesus said to
obey him
When Jesus came with Clear Signs, he said :
"Now have I come to you with Wisdom, and
in order to make clear to you some of the
(points) on which ye dispute: therefore fear
Allah and obey me . (43:63, Yusif Ali)

1 2
Isa is the Quranic word for Jesus
Maryam is the Quranic word for Mary

analice107:

There's something about this lady, i try to push to say certain things to her, but there's this inner restrain.

Jesus will save her from the shackles satan is trying to tie her down with.

Richdotcom:


I will.... 9ja we too funny eh!!!

asalimpo:
@umarshek,
Islamists have tried desperately to discredit Christianity and the Scriptures.
You say God created man in His own image,then contradicts Himself by asking to whom will you liken me?
Are you so dumb that you can't see the context of the question?
God created man in His own image = Man, has a part of him that is similar to God
To whom will you liken me = Who in might and capability (which being has properties and attributes ) that equals or surpasses God?
Do you see the context? Or will you pretend to be blind? In another part, God asks, "Is anything too hard for Me (God ) to do? Is the arm of the Lord shortened?"

Similar questions like these are posed everyday in real life.

Quesions facing all men involving sin, the fallen state of the world and the cure for sin are only best addressed in the bible.
Jesus makes claims , no other being has made- go figure.

Richdotcom:



I will.... 9ja we too funny eh!!!

shadeyinka:

Amen!
That's my prayers for her. Her background in the knowledge of Christ is so weak that easily she kaputs under the strain of challenges and of course, there was an influence that convinced her that Jesus is not the way.

I have asked her to answer questions that will compel her to think, for now she is ignoring them. I pray God open her eyes to see before it is too late.

He who puts his hands on the plow and turns back is both worthy of Me says the Lord Jesus. Her major problem is understanding Trinity. She sees Jesus as a creation rather than the creator manifesting Himself in love. He came to His own, but His own rejected Him...