TheGoodJoe:


Tell that to Kanu and Okocha when they faced Spain. Hierro was the one who caused the havoc we fought back.

Do you think that pass he gave Raul or the freekick against us was ordinary? Rufai saw that ball going out but the curl on it was superb.

You do not get to that status by being ordinary. You can also not judge based on because you did not watch them.

Hierro is a legend. Even if you do not know, at least check reviews on him.

safarigirl:
Moses Simon get athleticism, Leon Balogun and especially Victor Moses he athleticism.

Mikel does not need athleticism, he will decimate those kids with ease, I have confidence in that.

I hate reading anything you post and even more, I hate conversing with you because you aggravate me.

You can think whatever you like, but it dies not change the fact that our team is better than Zambia's just like Manchester City had a better team than Chelsea.

God! I hate talking to you

Mickael2:



slow down.

You know these our players play week in week out, high intensity games but the Zambians(the home-based ones) have been camping for two weeks or more, resting and preparing for the game. They might be able to last longer than we would.


Hwever I totally agree that we have a better team but slow down and don't attack

Joebie:
I will dig out stories. There are other sources besides the regular featured owngoal, allnigeriasoccer, and completesports.

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I'm gonna have to get back on IG

Mickael2:



if we start grading players based on your own blueprint then each team might be having close to 200 legends and then being a legend becomes something ordinary. That is why we have great players and then legends, if not then every great player can be a legend

Mickael2:
Ok do you know that many Argentines consider some players that played with Maradona as legends(me I don't even know the name of those players anymore) but in recent times all you hear is that Maradona won the World Cup single-handedly which means his teammates were average at best. Do you know why? Because those players, despite how good they are, did not do something we haven't seen before. Legendary status changes with generation, maybe for you, you watched Hierro well enough(I watchd him too although not so much because then I was in boarding school) but from some of the matches we have watched that he played, he didn't really do something that I haven't seen past Real players doing and that reduces that legendary status for me

Mickael2:



but you will agree that SM was a better player three years ago(I think that is why he is doubting his age)

TheGoodJoe:


Lol. If you think Creativity and goals is all that matters. No matter how flashy the sports car is, it still needs an engine. Those creative players leave gaps that opponents exploits. Without defensive midfielders, those teams will take loads.


Steve McManaman called Makelele "the most important and yet least appreciated midfielder at Real" while Fernando Hierro echoed him, saying: "he's been the best player in the team for years but people just don't notice him".

The creative ones might get the praise and glory but they know where the game was won.

TheGoodJoe:


This one is just rant. You can score a fluke goal or win a game with a fluke chance. Not win three tough games, including the favorites of the competition by fluke. Thrashing one of them by fluke.

Please, fear God.

Oliseh messed our chance to qualify for the last AFCON not Keshi.

Joebie:
good! so what's the fuss about Osimhen? And even Kayode

forgiveness:


Hahahahahah! This girl just like wahala, I swear.

Wetin man do na?

Make I no talk wetin I see again? Shuuuu!

I am not even talking about the weakness or strength of our team. I am only discussing what I saw when I watched the Zambia's game and I noticed they rely on crossing the ball from the wings.

Virtually, all their goals came from the wings during this campaign hence the need to block or stop them from the wings.

Besides, there is one guy Orchestrating the play from the midfield and I think he has to be tamed.

But here you are talking about hate and your feelings when you know they are inconsequential in public domain where opinions should/must differ.

This is no longer Football matter girl. Hold yourself and stop expressing feelings that has nothing to do with soccer in public domain.

Even this feelings are fake because you are in a fake cyber World where Saint could be mistaken for devil or devil mistaken for saint.

Now, put that behind you and let's talk Football.


It depends on where the coach plays Mikel.

If Moses Simon and Victor Moses have athleticism are they to hold the Zambian's wingers?

My focus is to curtail the Zambian's wingers. It's as simple as that but if you have different opinions share them and stop using emotions to deal with the society.

That level of mind set is low.


Of course, we have a better team than Zambia but with wrong selection and tactics, believe me anything can happen.


Manchester City has better team than Chelsea is only in your dreams.

KevinDein:
The Zambians are so boastful it's unbelievable. They're delusional, almost bordering on psychosis. Below is a comment from their forum zamfoot which I found utterly ridiculous and amusing
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Mtembo says:
September 28, 2017 at 7:31 pm
Chipolopolo should win in Nigeria convincingly. The Nigerian players are old and immobile and can’t stand the heat for 90 minutes. Mikel, Onazi and Moses are past their prime and i doubt their real age. I expect Stopilla and Sinkala to crush the eagles. Zambia hardly loses when there is qualification as stake. Head to head also favours Zambia. I hope Nigerians will be here after we have embarrassed them in Uyo.

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Noticed where this dude said Moses is past his prime; and that Zambia hardly loses if qualification is at stake even though they've never qualified for the World Cup.
They don't seem to know what they are talking about.

forgiveness:


If no be fluke, why couldn't he qualify us to the same competition twice?

Na fluke.

TheGoodJoe:
“As a defensive midfielder you must be tactically aware. You’re at the heart of the team so you have to hold everything together and allow other players to express themselves. To do this you need to talk a lot and use your brain, because quite often you have to be in the right place at the right time.

You have to cover the gap between the midfield and the back four, cover the left and right full-backs when they go forward and the central defenders when they push further up the pitch.”.. . Patrick Vieira.

The defensive midfield role is key. It is where most of the work is done. It is just underrated because people look for flamboyance and expression. Those who understand the business of winning know the heroic work goes on here.

goldfish80:


You can't reinvent the wheel. DMs are important for the balance of the team. DM is rather a more polished word used to describe them. Their proper name is "Destroyers". They basically harrass opponents and protect their team, doing this perfectly well frees up the attacking players to win games.

Having them in a team is golden but that position does not attract goodwill which translates to sponsorship and endorsements which other players in more fancied positions get. How many billboards have you seen Makelele, Busqets and the likes? Compare what they get to guys like Neymar, Rooney, Bale. DMs are basically not sellable or the marketing dream for endorsements.

Odion Ighalo got endorsement for that Dstv ad when he was not an important member of the Super Eagles then. Onazi who have been a regular for the Super Eagles, I am yet to see him on TV marketing for any brand.

Sometimes you have to accept how the world works. You can't reinvent the wheel.

AIG07:
Don't mind those folks who took it far... Arithmetic gangan ni koko.
Takes cover before Mathematicians, Engineers, Physicst etc comes for me.

forgiveness:



What is the bone of contention?

Is it the question of Mikel Obi as a legend?

There are four categories of legend as a Nigerian.


1, Football legend

2, Club legend

3, Africa legend

4, National team legend


If you have more to add please add.


Which one is Mikel Obi?

Mujtahida:

Iconic response. Surprised that you didn't allow that feeling outburst to mow you and make you retaliate. Omo, Salud

TheGoodJoe:


Stop saying why do they praise one and leave the other. It is simply overlooking of he important role to play. Every thing you need to understand the importance is typed out there.

Saying they are only destroyers is ridiculous. They also play a big part in keeping possession. They make sure the team stay organized and they also help the team build attacks by connecting the defence to the midfield.

At least read the Vieira quote there and understand.

forgiveness:


Hahahahahah! I have been taught not to face the world or society with emotion hence the need to face things with faith.

I hail ooooooo.

junnyjake:



This wasn't where the argument was going when I started it.

And I seem to have forgotten what the argument was about self.

Hope your day is coming good.

forgiveness:


Hahahahahah! This girl just like wahala, I swear.

Wetin man do na?

Make I no talk wetin I see again? Shuuuu!

I am not even talking about the weakness or strength of our team. I am only discussing what I saw when I watched the Zambia's game and I noticed they rely on crossing the ball from the wings.

Virtually, all their goals came from the wings during this campaign hence the need to block or stop them from the wings.

Besides, there is one guy Orchestrating the play from the midfield and I think he has to be tamed.

But here you are talking about hate and your feelings when you know they are inconsequential in public domain where opinions should/must differ.

This is no longer Football matter girl. Hold yourself and stop expressing feelings that has nothing to do with soccer in public domain.

Even this feelings are fake because you are in a fake cyber World where Saint could be mistaken for devil or devil mistaken for saint.

Now, put that behind you and let's talk Football.


It depends on where the coach plays Mikel.

If Moses Simon and Victor Moses have athleticism are they to hold the Zambian's wingers?

My focus is to curtail the Zambian's wingers. It's as simple as that but if you have different opinions share them and stop using emotions to deal with the society.

That level of mind set is low.


Of course, we have a better team than Zambia but with wrong selection and tactics, believe me anything can happen.


Manchester City has better team than Chelsea is only in your dreams.

goldfish80:

Their job description first and foremost is breaking up play. Dunga used to do this for Brazil. He had no technical abilities to put it mildly.

A technically challenged player can have a very successful career play as a DM. Makelele and Deschamps are perfect examples.

Joebie:
my final take. (see dictionary below)

1st Application in support of mickael2 's argument
When you say Chelsea legend, Chelsea is the adjective here. Legend is the noun.

The adjective meaning below may not apply
The most appropriate meaning is Noun definition (2).
Hence, "EXTREMELY famous".
The bolded synonyms below is how Mickael2 likes to see it
Synonyms of the word: celebrity, star, superstar, icon, famous person, great, genius, phenomenon, luminary, giant, big name; informal: celeb, megastar

2nd Application in support of Chelsea and most of us
Chelsea legend.
E.g the contributions of Mikel in Chelsea Champions League victories is/were legend.
Take note of the adjective form of legend in the sentence above

Hence the adjective meaning becomes most appropriate. Meaning: very well known chelsea player for his contributions as a holding midfielder.

Conclusion: Even the first application when used loosely can mean icon, famous person, great, star etc. Hence Mikel is a Chelsea legend.
However if you want to use the word more strictly and reserve it for a special few, then Mickael2 you have a case.
So really there is no point having this argument.

TheGoodJoe:


Mikel is a football Legend with a capital letter L.

I gave you expo already. For a decade of Success at Chelsea, he ticked the right boxes in the formula.

Longevity + Key Position/role + Trophy reign = LEGEND.

Then crossing over to achieve it in the National team during the AFCON while showing he was a Supernova winning the man of the match awards repeatedly made Mikel Obi a Football Legend.

Joebie:
My brother. I understand you very well. For you legendary status mean a player that far above his peers in that club or country (?) considering history. I was going by that definition myself earlier.

But that's not the definition we are using here. So we are all now in agreement.

goldfish80:

Their job description first and foremost is breaking up play. Dunga used to do this for Brazil. He had no technical abilities to put it mildly.

A technically challenged player can have a very successful career play as a DM. Makelele and Deschamps are perfect examples.

forgiveness:



Mikel Obi is not considered by some Chelsea fans as a Club legend not to talk of world renowned Football.

is he an African legend?

forgiveness:



Mikel Obi is not considered by some Chelsea fans as a Club legend not to talk of world renowned Football.

is he an African legend?

Mujtahida:

It's always best to stick to the facts