AgentOfAllah:

Believing in god hasn't proven useful to me, and disbelieving hasn't proven disastrous either.

by this definition.... You are not an atheist.... Permit me to label you a skeptic agonist......... I will create a thread where we can dsscuss why you need to stop the doubting and established your faith with God....for now this op aim to establish atheism as a confusion labelling...

ScepticalPyrrho:

I do not see the problem in the definition.

I argue against the moralist proof for God's existence. And also the teleological arguments for God's existence.

My position as an atheist doesn't shift, it is the religious proofs that shifts.

your proof here is using the science techniques to disproof the existence of God base on the religion dogma....here you are contradicting moral atheist...ask me why?

AgentOfAllah:

AgentOfAllah this is the thing about non specific answers, they raise more questions.

You say believing in god hasn't proven useful and disbelieving hasn't proven disastrous either so this raises another question.

What would you term as useful in your comment? What usefulness were you seeking originally that a belief in god translated to redundancy?

vaxx:
by this definition.... You are not an atheist.... Permit me to label you a skeptic agonist......... I will create a thread where we can dsscuss why you need to stop the doubting and established your faith with God....for now this op aim to establish atheism as a confusion labelling...

I'm not a skeptic agonist because I am not skeptically agonising over anything. But since this is a labeling contest, permit me to label you a confused herbalist.

AgentOfAllah:


I'm not a skeptic agonist because I am not skeptically agonising over anything. But since this is a labeling contests, permit me to label you a confused herbalist.

whao..that is good...I established why you are a skepkc agonstic, can you give me the reasons of mine.am sure you know who is an herbalist ?

butterflyl1on:


AgentOfAllah this is the thing about non specific answers, they raise more questions.

You say believing in god hasn't proven useful and disbelieving hasn't proven disastrous either so this raises another question.

What would you term as useful in your comment? What usefulness were you seeking originally that a belief in god translated to redundancy?

Usefulness in my existence, continued survival, happiness, wealth, health, education, interests and pretty much everything I live for.

vaxx:
whao..that is good...I established why you are a skepkc agonstic, can you give me the reasons of mine

Because you're a herbalist who confuses himself with how to label people instead of how to understand people.

vaxx:
your proof here is using the science techniques to disproof the existence of God base on the religion dogma....here you are contradicting moral atheist...ask me why?

I wasn't trying to disprove the existence of God. You asked why I don't believe and I responded by telling you that religious posits are all dogmatic hence my lack of belief in any of the gods.

I cannot present a proof for something non-existent but I'm submitting my position as an atheist.

AgentOfAllah:


Usefulness in my existence, continued survival, happiness, wealth, health, education, interests and pretty much everything I live for.

In other words all you scientifically live for?

AgentOfAllah:


Because you're a herbalist who confuses himself with how to label people instead of how to understand people.

you have not give me the reason's you call me herbalist.... Yours has been given.... So with the way you describe youself that is the best labelling for you... You do not reject God nor care if he exist....am waiting for mine?

butterflyl1on:


In other exact words all you scientifically live for?

Thanks for the enhancement, but I know how to communicate my meanings myself.

ScepticalPyrrho:
I wasn't trying to disprove the existence of God. You asked why I don't believe and I responded by telling you that religious posits are all dogmatic hence my lack of belief in any of the gods.

I cannot present a proof for something non-existent but I'm submitting my position as an atheist.

I tell you , you can't escape the issue....why do you see religion as dogmatic....

vaxx:
I tell you , you can't escape the issue....why do you see religion as dogmatic....

There is a reason why you aren't a Christian or Muslim na

vaxx:
you have not give me the reason's you call me herbalist.... Yours has been given.... So with the way you describe youself that is the best labelling for you... You do not reject God nor care if he exist....am waiting for mine?

I called you a herbalist to make a point: Don't redefine people who have not asked to be redefined. I know what I am! You called me a skeptical agnostic. "Atheism" is the word the describes anybody that expresses skepticism about the existence of god.

Proudgorgeousga:


There is a reason why you aren't a Christian or Muslim na

yes.....because I wish to follow the faith of my ancestors and my culture.... That is my best identity..... I believe in the most supreme being call olodumare and by definition that make me a monotheistic

AgentOfAllah:


I called you a herbalist to make a point: Don't redefine people who have not asked to be redefined. I know what I am! You called me a skeptical agnostic. "Atheism" is the word the describes anybody that expresses skepticism about the existence of god.

atheism by definition come from the root word atheus (greek)meaning ....without God ....not someone who exhibit skepticism

vaxx:
I tell you , you can't escape the issue....why do you see religion as dogmatic....

Because they are...
Maybe you should read the history of philosophy so we can be on the same playing field.

ScepticalPyrrho:
Because they are...
Maybe you should read the history of philosophy so we can be on the same playing field.

I love philosophy.... Philo Sophia love of wisdom...........I will be glad to have a toast of it......so tell me how you conclude a religion dogma isn't accurate

vaxx:

They are two types of atheist... Moral and scientists atheist....

Moral Atheism- objections to the existence of God when relating to moral issues i.e., gay rights, women's rights, abortion and all things therein related to the problem of evil

Scientific Atheism- objections to God when relating to scientific evidence.

My argument is base on one one point with several sub points.

1. One cannot be both a moral and scientific atheist.

This is because:

A. Moral Atheism doesn't actually exist.

Moral atheists like to cast blame on God for evil in the world. "Why would a loving and just God allow evil into the world?" This question supposes that God does exist. Atheism is the denial of God's existence. Moral Atheism is therefore contradictory.

A1. The moral atheist cannot define evil

Moral Atheism supposes that morality is subjective, yet often condemns people with a different set of moral codes. In order to blame God for evil, there must be a consensus on what is defined as evil yet the moral atheist cannot adequately define evil because he cannot support his definition with an original point.

B. Scientific Atheism contradicts moral atheism

This point is far more simple. Simply put, how can you cast blame for evil on something you claim doesn't exist?

Conclusion: atheism, be it a blend of moral and scientific atheism, or either individually, is far more irrational than a belief in God..

Note..

Any atheist accepting the challenge may refute every claim..

Any argument made by my opponent claiming religion is problematic, will be considered a strawman and thus ignored.

Insult and (i know it all )argument will be ignored....

My nairaland friend AgentofAllah you are invited....

There's only one type of atheist - the foolish satanic one. Foolish atheism is the only one that defines what an atheist actually is, it's perfectly captures what being an atheist means. Moral, Scientific, Coward atheism are just projections of their foolishness. This is because reason and rationality is thrown out the door when we becomes an satanic atheist, the foolish atheist pursues sex, money and power instead of pursuing truth and knowledge. Believe in reason and rationality atheists not foolishness. Same for their Islamic counterparts.

chemystery:
You are wrong. There are over a million types of atheist....

Those that were once Christians, those that were once Muslims, those that were atheists from birth, those that don't engage in arguments, those that are introverts, those that are extroverts, those that supports APC, those that supports PDP, those that are Chelsea fans, those that are Liverpool fans, those that are tribalistic, those that aren't, those that divorce their wives and those that doesn't...

So continue from there.

After listing all the types, then I can come in and comment

Hahahaha

You ve killed me oo

rekinomtla:


There's only one type of atheist - the foolish satanic one. Foolish atheism is the only one that defines what an atheist actually is, it's perfectly captures what being an atheist means. Moral, Scientific, Coward atheism are just projections of their foolishness. This is because reason and rationality is thrown out the door when we becomes an satanic atheist, the foolish atheist pursues sex, money and power instead of pursuing truth and knowledge. Believe in reason and rationality atheists not foolishness. Same for their Islamic counterparts.

pls I clearly state it , there shouldn't be insult.....why bashing anyone....calling people foolish for thier stand is very rude and therefore you should apologised..... You can engage them in a peaceful manner....why do you your own faith isn't blind?.... Pls no bashing on this thread...

We should compile the most stupid threads on the relifion section and vote for the worst in december for the end of the year party.

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22......

vaxx:
atheism by definition come from the root word atheus (greek)meaning ....without God ....not someone who exhibit skepticism

Yes, it is a misnomer started by other people who were eager to label people they didn't understand. If you study the evolution of words, you'll see that quick labels tend to stick, then they end up being fantastic placeholders for the concepts they initially wrongfully described.
It's the same reason you'll be called a "black" man or a "pagan", whereas the words "pagan" and "black" have very different original meanings than what they describe in present context.

"Atheist" literally means someone "without god", but descriptively, it is now understood to describe someone who is sceptical of god's existence, so yes, I am an atheist.

JackBizzle:
We should compile the most stupid threads on the relifion section and vote for the worst in december for the end of the year party.

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22......

as in eh no offence but he sounds like §ciencewatch.

JackBizzle:
We should compile the most stupid threads on the relifion section and vote for the worst in december for the end of the year party.

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22......

LoL

You're wicked oo

JackBizzle:
We should compile the most stupid threads on the relifion section and vote for the worst in december for the end of the year party.

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22......

pls Mr foul mouth you are not invited....hopefully your thread should carry the highest bagged of the most sensible one .......pls keep your intelligence to yourself it is not useful here......my claim here hasn't been refuted...the word atheism is by definition a problems.... And you are suggesting is a sstupid thread? I see where you are coming from....

Proudgorgeousga:


as in eh no offence but he sounds like §ciencewatch.

I swear. Too similar

adepeter2027:

LoL

You're wicked oo

It is the right thing to do

vaxx:
pls Mr foul mouth you are not invited....hopefully your thread should carry the highest bagged of the most sensible one .......pls keep your intelligence to yourself it is not useful here......my claim here hasn't been refuted...the word atheism is by definition a problems.... And you are suggesting is a sstupid thread? I see where you are coming from....

E pain am

AgentOfAllah:

Yes, it is a misnomer started by other people who were eager to label people they didn't understand. If you study the evolution of words, you'll see that quick labels tend to stick, then they end up being fantastic placeholders for the concepts they initially wrongfully described.
It's the same reason you'll be called a "black" man or a "pagan", whereas the words "pagan" and "black" have very different original meanings than what they describe in present context.

"Atheist" literally means someone "without god", but descriptively, it is now understood to describe someone who is sceptical of god's existence, so yes, I am an atheist.

every word as is own root.... The foundation of the word atheism is what I made mention....if you have a doubt of the existence of God then the foundation of the word doesn't apply to you ........the word pagan was used to discribe villager during roman empire.. Christian adopt it to also call whoever do not belive in abrahimic faith a pagan.... Which i reject to be labelled becyse it does not describe my faith. so for the word to be correct we should look at the very foundation.... In Yoruba language we do not call the European white...we call them oyinbo meaning a skin that has been peel..likewise the word negro refers to people with burn face....


For you to agree on the labelling...check out the root word...

JackBizzle:
We should compile the most stupid threads on the relifion section and vote for the worst in december for the end of the year party.

Cc hahn, hopefullandlord, johnydon22......

Jesus Christ go injured you o

vaxx:
atheist is from the root greek word atheus ...meaning without god....for you to be balance in your opinion... It is either you base your believe on faith approach that god or gods do not exist on how religious portray it or how their scripture define it. ... Or because you are scientific incline ...which says the evidence most be emperical or measurable..


Whatever method you follow to reach the stage.... You will contradict yourself.. Ask me why?

@ bolded, if we go by this premise, then almost all of us are atheists on some level because we believe that the gods other people worship are either false or don't exist.