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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:28pm On Oct 10, 2017
tbaba1234:


I also think Balogun was very nervous in the game. He even cried after.. I think that nervousness affected him in the first half especially.

Ekong has always had that passing problem. It has gotten much better now sef. I think he sometimes panics under pressure.

Yeah. Panic pressures.

We need these guys to face big oppositions in friendlies.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by bossto(m): 12:28pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Guy there was tension that day. I really didn't enjoy watching the match. In fact I felt we were poor. But after the match I rewatched the match and I saw that we weren't poor. Only there was too much pressure, too much expectation and the Zambians were dogged. The fact is the match was interesting with wave after wave of attack alternated by both sides. What the Zambians did was to make sure they broke up our passing game by upping the tempo of the game. It made us erratic and unsettled. It affected Balogun more than any other player in the first half. By the second half the Zambians naturally dropped some bit on the energy. That goal came through 15 passes from our end and very tight ones in the last seven that led to the goal.

The key is to not let Nigeria get into their rhythm. Once we do, we score. All our matches bear this out.
Thank you broh!!!
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:29pm On Oct 10, 2017
realpoacher:


We need a keeper?... Better say only you need a keeper more because as for me. Ik ezenwa is our best bet outside Ikeme & Enyeama

Because of just one error, you people have changed tune. Forgetting that ezenwa stats so far has been top notch.

What else do we want?... All keepers in the world must concede and will still continue to concede until tomorrow.

Ezenwa is good and tested, his calmness and confidence is top notch and will come in handy in the world cup.

You guys should stop calling for players head after any "not too good" match.

Our present team players are top notch and good enough.
Ezenwa 's calmness is ever so reassuring. And I think he's been spoken to regarding his being dramatic. The defence worked tirelessly to shield him. Truth is he was resting on that day but Dude was alert few times the Zambians tested him.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by BascoVanVeli(m): 12:32pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Lol at 'Ighalo classily jumped over' is he not even the one that others should be jumping over for him to score?

Both Iheanacho and Ighalo have received a fair share of my criticism.

I am not in the habit of practicing selective criticism.

That was probably one of the best dummies anyone has seen in a while, it is just sad that u are even trying to understate that moment. U said Iheanacho was not ready but u have been known to have scathing attacks on Ighalo. He didn't have a good game by any stretch of the imagination but he also helped us get the goal by blocking Zambia's keepers sight.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:34pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Yeah, Balogun, particularly in that first half.

Pace is his challenge. Rohr needs to work on that.
It means he has to work on his positioning to compensate of that lack of pace. Uche Okechukwu was not the quickest of defenders but he made up for it with his excellent positional abilities. Same goes for Martesacker of Arsenal.

Our midfield remains our major strength. Rohr just made a wrong choice of introducing Agu instead of Etebo. He have depth in that midfield. Though introduction of quality new blood will further boost that department.

Keep in mind when Agu got his role in the script right, Balogun excelled. Just like I pointed out during the crucifixion of Awaziem that poor cover from the full backs and defensive midfielders can make a good defender seem poor.

I am glad that Rohr notices it too and I agree that Mikel Agu is learning the role. The second half showed it.

I think that is why I did not even notice Balogun being poor in that first half. I was watching the positioning of the midfielders.

I wish. I really wish Onazi does it. He would have been as big as Ngolo Kante or even bigger. But, he is interested in the forward play too much. Just as the position he was when he got injured.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:35pm On Oct 10, 2017
Joebie:
maybe we have a different understanding as regards the terminology, pressing.


I will like your perspective of it.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:38pm On Oct 10, 2017
tbaba1234:
Weaknesses in our team

Alternatives to the Oyibo Wall..
A new left back
Limited Striking Options

Potential Solutions

I. Awaziem is 3rd choice but he is very green. Omeruo can be decent on his day but does not always inspire confidence. I think both players can do the job but i 'd like to see us chase Felix Udoukhai. That boy has been outstanding in the bundesliga, also a green horn but it is only a matter of time before Germany come calling. He is that good.

2. Elderson has sometimes been unfairly targeted but it is obvious that the Zambian team saw his wing as the weak point. He needs to be replaced. Ola Aina can certainly do a great job there. No one is displacing Shehu at RB, he has been world class. Needs to move out of cyprus.


3. Ighalo can blow hot and cold. Dessers is an exciting option to me. He has declared for Nigeria so why not? If Tammy is willing, he should also be invited.
Shehu as well as all the players needs thorough competition. Apart from Felix there's Torunarigha and I think Akpoguma. Torunarigha plays as a left back. If we can secure him it would do us good. Aina should battle Shehu. Nothing to lose. It would either mean Shehu keeps posting excellent performances or Aina replaces him.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by realpoacher(m): 12:39pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Ezenwa 's calmness is ever so reassuring. And I think he's been spoken to regarding his being dramatic. The defence worked tirelessly to shield him. Truth is he was resting on that day but Dude was alert few times the Zambians tested him.

Exactly....
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:41pm On Oct 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Keep in mind when Agu got his role in the script right, Balogun excelled. Just like I pointed out during the crucifixion of Awaziem that poor cover from the full backs and defensive midfielders can make a good defender seem poor.

I am glad that Rohr notices it too and I agree that Mikel Agu is learning the role. The second half showed it.

I think that is why I did not even notice Balogun being poor in that first half. I was watching the positioning of the midfielders.

I wish. I really wish Onazi does it. He would have been as big as Ngolo Kante or even bigger. But, he is interested in the forward play too much. Just as the position he was when he got injured.

Go back and watch that first half. It did not completely have to do with Agu. His one on one positioning with the Zambian strikers was poor and his build up play was also sluggish even in the second half.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:42pm On Oct 10, 2017
adegwurulez:

Our forwards should press as a unit. Presently, only Iheanacho does that upfront.

At a point in the Algeria game he was starting to look stupid, I think someone even coined it as "running up and down like a headless chicken.

I like Iheanacho and etebo for this. You can never overstate the immense pressure the opposing side face when every member of a team plays a part in pressing. If you watched pep's barca, you'd appreciate this.

It also depends on the set-up. In Manchester United under Ferguson/Queiroz Champions League winning era, Tevez was mainly the man pressing the defence. The midfield stayed organized to receive the loosed ball that came from it.

In our last game, Mikel was mostly the one doing it while the midfield stayed compact. I think this is due to the conservative orientation as a team.

I am from the possession-heavy style of football and believe a lot in pressing as a unit. However, the defensive midfield and defence should stay compact.

I agree with us pressing more to disposes oppositions.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:42pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Good points.

Let me just touch on the onyibo wall. The Zambians have really helped us by exposing that weakness.

They are still our best CB pairing. I don't think we have alternatives yet, as Awaziem is not ready and Omeruo's career has seen it's better days.

The two weaknesses: Balogun is a slow player and Ekong is not much of a good ball passer. Balogun's case can be solved by excellent positioning. Uche Okechukwu and Yobo had that issue but made up for it with positioning. It is an early warning signal to us. Age is no longer on Balogun's side.

On Ekong's occasional wrong passes, such happens mostly due to two reasons: 1. Over confidence. 2. Lack of confidence. The team's psychologist needs to help us out here. Cos we know Ekong is better than those errors.
Ekong is improving gradually. I read that he had to accept pay cut at his new club just so he can have regular playing time. I pray he keeps improving so that by the World Cup he'd be ripe.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:43pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Go back and watch that first half. It did not completely have to do with Agu. His one on one positioning with the Zambian strikers was poor and his build up play was also sluggish even in the second half.

Mikel Agu and Onazi. Not just Agu.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by tbaba1234: 12:44pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Shehu as well as all the players needs thorough competition. Apart from Felix there's Torunarigha and I think Akpoguma. Torunarigha plays as a left back. If we can secure him it would do us good. Aina should battle Shehu. Nothing to lose. It would either mean Shehu keeps posting excellent performances or Aina replaces him.

Shehu has competition. Aina and Ebuehi are competition. Shehu is just unbenchable now.

Torunarigha's dad said he should not play for 9ja.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by TheGoodJoe(m): 12:45pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Those teams you make reference to that excel at world cup are more offensive because they have the quality to be more offensive.

Being offensive or defensive depends a great deal on the nature of the opposition. IE your quality vs the quality of your opponent

Let Togo go and play Brazil and you expect Togo to play offensive football.

I am even going far sef. If Nigeria is to play Brazil expect us to play offensive football.

We are talking of Nigeria. Not Togo. We have the right mix of players, maybe even an overload of players to play a more offensive pattern. I even feel the conservative pattern hinders our best mix of players to excel.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 12:45pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

That guy was rampant on Saturday though not as effective in his runs like at other times. Truly he is the one that drives our attack. He defends too and he never tires out. I wonder where his reserve of strength and power comes from. If he has a good left back who combines with him on the left it would really be prime football. Aina showed some attacking flair, combining beautifully with Moses but I still prefer Aina playing on the right.
4rm one post by David Luiz, he sleeps early, but funnily wakes up late.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:46pm On Oct 10, 2017
daveP:
Are we screaming down his neck to that effect? We both know that if we don't settle the midfield issue now, twill be detrimental at the world cup. Mikel 'Humility' Obi isn't the agile player he once was(must we wait 4 his retirement b4 replacement?). Besides these 2 are good, younger than him. Stop doing asif you didn't notice lapses during that game in Uyo. (a controller will string passes with teammates to keep longer possession, frustrating opponents 2 ruin their gameplan if possible; Iwobi caused the longest passes that led to the goal=15) A call for a better fix CANT BACKFIRE!! Simple and straightforward. arggh.
Iwobi has his place right in the middle of the park-though Moses Simon is easily be pocketed. Mikel is always in the midfield. The headache is who plays between Onazi and Ndidi cos if Iwobi retains his touches by the World Cup he would make us flourish in the midfield with Mikel player deeper.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:53pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


In modern day football, Full backs over-lap a lot. So it is common sight seeing CBs covering for one LB or RB that overlapped out of position and could not recover quickly enough.

I think it is age related. Balogun is ageing.
Balogun is ageing? just coz of Zambia match.

This is a guy that had wonderful outings against Algeria, Cameroon in both legs even got nominated as d best CB in d last Africa XI world cup qualifying matches.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:53pm On Oct 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


Keep in mind when Agu got his role in the script right, Balogun excelled. Just like I pointed out during the crucifixion of Awaziem that poor cover from the full backs and defensive midfielders can make a good defender seem poor.

I am glad that Rohr notices it too and I agree that Mikel Agu is learning the role. The second half showed it.

I think that is why I did not even notice Balogun being poor in that first half. I was watching the positioning of the midfielders.

I wish. I really wish Onazi does it. He would have been as big as Ngolo Kante or even bigger. But, he is interested in the forward play too much. Just as the position he was when he got injured.
Your first three paragraph are a gem. Mikel Agu will come good in that role as a direct replacement for Onazi in the future unless perhaps a better replacement is found.

On Onazi the question is how is it that he keeps retaining his place? Doesn't the Coach see what you see? He bombed forward against Cameroon and we scored. I think he's doing something right based on the instructions of the coach which you ain't privy to.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 12:56pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Iwobi has his place right in the middle of the park-though Moses Simon can easily be pocketed. Mikel is always in the midfield. The headache is who plays between Onazi and Ndidi cos if Iwobi retains his touches by the World Cup he would make us flourish in the midfield with Mikel player deeper.
Rohr should just pick between Ndidi and Onazi,honestly good to have two of them in d squad meaning we are covered in DMF but it seem Rohr is okay having Ndidi and Onazi in his starting lineup..
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 12:57pm On Oct 10, 2017
TheGoodJoe:


We are talking of Nigeria. Not Togo. We have the right mix of players, maybe even an overload of players to play a more offensive pattern. I even feel the conservative pattern hinders our best mix of players to excel.

At least I still made reference to Nigeria in that post.

You cannot be playing against teams like Brazil, Germany, France, Spain etc and come all out offensive. You'll get punished.

We do not have the equality to match there's so we have to remain compact and avoid being over-run and then hit them on the break. That is the way to play such teams.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 12:59pm On Oct 10, 2017
tbaba1234:


Shehu has competition. Aina and Ebuehi are competition. Shehu is just unbenchable now.

Torunarigha's dad said he should not play for 9ja.
I read that too on Ojokokojo saying his son won't play. The man na fvck up man if he still maintains that position. I'm just thinking perhaps World Cup can make him change his mind particularly seeing Iwobi, Aina doing great.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by safarigirl(f): 1:00pm On Oct 10, 2017
Following elyte39's suggestion, and for the sake of a little fun....my 30-35 man WC list barring injuries:

GK (5)

1. Ikechukwu Ezenwa
2. Vincent Enyeama
3. Dele Alampasu
4. Daniel Akpeyi
5. Carl Ikeme ( not likely to make it)

DF (9)

6. Leon Balogun
7. William Troost-Ekong
8. Shehu Abdullahi
9. Ola Aina
10. Elderson Echiejile
11. Chidozie Awaziem
12. Tyrone Ebuehi
13. Kenneth Omeruo
14. Felix Uduokhai/Torunarigha (whichever we can get)

MF (8]

15. John Mikel Obi
16. Ogenyi Onazi
17. Wilfred Ndidi
18. John Ogu
19. Oghenekaro Etebo
20. Joel Obi
21. Mikel Agu
22. Kelechi Nwakali/ Obinna Nwobodo


FW (8]

23. Victor Moses
24. Odion Ighalo
25. Kelechi Iheanacho
26. Alex Iwobi
27. Moses Simon
28. Ahmed Musa
29. Cyril Dessers
30. Henry Onyekuru/ Olarenwaju Kayode

Standby (5) grin grin

31. Tammy Abraham
32. Ademola Look man
33. Dominic Solanke
34. Josh Onomah
35. Uche Agbo

Cc Joebie, Icon4s, Kog45, Terzurum5, forgiveness, joseph1013, daveP, napoleon55, icon79, Mujtahida

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:01pm On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
Balogun is ageing? just coz of Zambia match.

This is a guy that had wonderful outings against Algeria, Cameroon in both legs even got nominated as d best CB in d last Africa XI world cup qualifying matches.
Shebi you lambasted him after the Zambian match. Did a rewatching of the match change your view?
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:03pm On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
Rohr should just pick between Ndidi and Onazi,honestly good to have two of them in d squad meaning we are covered in DMF but it seem Rohr is okay having Ndidi and Onazi in his starting lineup..
That's just it. So that Mikel steps back and we have a more vibrant AM and Iwobi would be deadly from there.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:05pm On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
Balogun is ageing? just coz of Zambia match.

This is a guy that had wonderful outings against Algeria, Cameroon in both legs even got nominated as d best CB in d last Africa XI world cup qualifying matches.

Dude is 29 and would be 30 during the WC. He should depend more on positional ability more than speed now.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:05pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Ekong is improving gradually. I read that he had to accept pay cut at his new club just so he can have regular playing time. I pray he keeps improving so that by the World Cup he'd be ripe.
Ekong is improving everyday and hope he continue before WC,him and Balogun have that physicality and hope they keep on improving coz d bond is damn good.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:06pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


At least I still made reference to Nigeria in that post.

You cannot be playing against teams like Brazil, Germany, France, Spain etc and come all out offensive. You'll get punished.

We do not have the equality to match there's so we have to remain compact and avoid being over-run and then hit them on the break. That is the way to play such teams.
Too much club football makes the goodjoe want swashbuckling football(which I also love) forgetting that you can't have that all the time.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 1:08pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

Iwobi has his place right in the middle of the park-though Moses Simon can easily be pocketed. Mikel is always in the midfield. The headache is who plays between Onazi and Ndidi cos if Iwobi retains his touches by the World Cup he would make us flourish in the midfield with Mikel player deeper.
So far so good we havent seen these 3 start. Ndidi-Mikel-Iwobi. I really wish he comes to the middle but i like his games on the wings@Iwobi. But anyday, i prefer Ndidi to start. His game against atletico made me conclude so. Doesnt mean I dont rate him higher.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Mujtahida: 1:09pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Dude is 29 and would be 30 during the WC. He should depend more on positional ability more than speed now.
But you've often talked about not having young guys in the defence. You permit it in the attack but in the defence you prefer seasoned guys.

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Kog45(m): 1:10pm On Oct 10, 2017
Icon4s:


Dude is 29 and would be 30 during the WC. He should depend more on positional ability more than speed now.
I know his age,what am trying to point out is that d same Balogun had an excellent games against Algeria, Cameroon but his performance against Zambia has nothing to do with age,that's my point.
Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by daveP(m): 1:13pm On Oct 10, 2017
Kog45:
Rohr should just pick between Ndidi and Onazi,honestly good to have two of them in d squad meaning we are covered in DMF but it seem Rohr is okay having Ndidi and Onazi in his starting lineup..
Ive imagined an Onazi coming on in the 2nd half.... tempo sustained, and Mikel goes deeper....

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Re: "The Super Eagles Thread: The Road To AFCON 2023, 2025 And 2026 World Cup by Icon4s(m): 1:15pm On Oct 10, 2017
Mujtahida:

That's just it. So that Mikel steps back and we have a more vibrant AM and Iwobi would be deadly from there.

Did you notice Mikel and Iwobi combo that led to that goal.

You noticed also that Iwobi and Mikel switched opposition at certain point.

That is a killer combo.

Let Mikel play AM and Iwobi play from the wings and switching positions with Mikel and at other times with Moses. We saw that work against Zambia (ie Mikel and Iwobi switching positions).

Let's leave the Ndidi-Onazi combo the way it is for now.

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