sinizia:


I'm not underestimating what Rashford did to get to his current state. Out of all the youths LvG gave a chance, only Rashford and maybe Lingard exceled.

But what I'm trying to point out is that Rashford was unknown before he got the chance, before he proved what a great player he is. Angel Gomes currently has more hype than Rashford when he's his age. United are fighting currently to keep him off the claws of Barca. That's what I'm pointing out.

Rashford got a chance when we had USELESS STRIKE FORCE. Rashford got more than one chances. If Rashford was in the era of young Rooney, Tevez and Co, after scoring against that lowly rated Midget Land abi wetin be their name, he'll back to the bench!! This is an undeniable fact.

Who did Rashford had to fight with during LvG's era? An aging Rooney? James Wilson? Keane? Just take a look at the wastemen LvG hinged his hope on after pursuing Falcao, Chicharito, Van Persie and Co. Our strike force was shitty. Martial was even moved to the wings. So once Rashford scored, he's our only other option after declining Rooney and he's good enough to take his chances. I respect his talent, but the condition he came into helped his course.

If you're good, you're good.

If Rashford was merely lucky to get a break, how come he's still in the first 11 now especially when he's competing with Martial, Lukaku, Mhkitaryan and Mata for a place in the front 4.

He wasn't Lucky to get his chance. He wasn't Lucky to score in every single debut from FA Cup, to EPL, to Europa to UCL, to England. He wasn't Lucky to keep his place despite competing with almost 300m of talent for a place in the starting line-up.

Nah luck had nothing to do with it. He may have been unknown to you, but he wasn't unknown to the coaches that suggested him to LVG. They don't just pick any fool from the academy and give him jersey and a seat on the team bus. That's not thr way it works.

It reminds of something Gary Lineker said. He said that many times he would score and the commentator would say "right place at the right time". Gary said nah nigga, I made that run a 100 times already in that game, I wasn't at the right place at the right time - it wasn't luck. I kept running to the right position because I knew sooner or later the chance would come...and I would take my chance.

You just didn't know his name, but trust me Rashford was ready for this. He's always been ready. And he for a talent like that, there is no way your time won't come...

eph12:

That wasn't the argument initially. Musonda has some minutes under his belt already this season but what did he make of those minutes? Any assists, goals or even assisting the assister ?

We just want to try someone else simples! It is not a sin to want an underperforming player benched bros...

eph12:

That wasn't the argument initially. Musonda has some minutes under his belt already this season but what did he make of those minutes? Any assists, goals or even assisting the assister ?

Kindly show us the minutes.

Nihilist:


Musonda has been given a chance in the first team this season, considering that we're still in all competitions, he will get plenty more.

The question we're looking at now is this:

Is Musonda actually better than Willian? If yes what's the evidence to back up this view point.

I get the feeling that boys are just so tired of Willian that they want to try somebody else there, in a try your luck style.

The issue of Rashford isn't a case of what he did at under 21 level. It's a matter of what he did at senior level. There were so many of them that LVG gave chances to - Rashford, Blankett abi wetin be him name, Mcnair, I think Lingard, borthwick etc.

Only one of them was able to seize the moment and show that he belong, scoring a brace in consecutive debuts, and then going on to score in every debut since.

Only 1 of those guys is in the 1st 11. The one that was able to grab his chance immediately.

Like Danhumphrey pointed out, nobody is debating Christensen's place in the team...not because of what he did in loan, but because of how he aquited himself in the minimal chance he got.

What has Musonda even shown? To Even annoy me further, the other foolish Musonda was shouting Ronaldo and Messi. Both of them at Charlie's age were already Balon Dor candidates.

If your talent is not shining like halogen on the pitch, then I'm not interested in your claims to be a youth don.

you get sense jare

airmark:


Exactly. In that first year he did very well. Against barca, pique hailed him, showing him to messi and suarez, after the match.

I just don't support his rant on social media. His time will come.

Him mouthing off is just irritating.... especially when you have a coach like conte who can decide he doesn't want you anymore, and nothing will happen as in the case of crasy Diego Costa. Burr, when you have people like Courtois and hazard as possible advisers what do you expect to see?

Ibime:
Rashford did not do anything in reserves better than Musonda, Solanke, Abraham etc. Those guys wiped the floor with him at youth level.

Maybe. Coz me including many other United fans probably never knew who he was before that game against Kuvukiland. Fate just smiled on him that day that Martial got injured in the warm up before the game.

Rashford was said to be the 8th choice striker at the start of the season when he made his debut. Luck fell on him in that Will Keane and James Wilson were either injured or out on short-term loans, plus other youth strikers were injured.

He get luck, if not he coulda been released from his contract by now instead of becoming a first-teamer.

Anyways, asides Martial's injury, luck has nothing to do with Rashford. He was given a chance and he took it. U dont go from scoring a brace against farmers from kuvukiland to scoring another brace plus an assist against Arsenal in 4 days based on luck.
If them Will Keane and James Wilson were that good for the reserves team as u say they were, both wont ve been loaned out that season. And they would ve played ahead of Rashford in that Kuvukiland game and Rashford would probably still be an unknown today.

I dont see what Will Keane has ever done at United. But arguments can still be made for Wilson. But since his brace against Hull City is his league debut, we've not seen him since. And his loan spells ve not been impressive.

Luck has very little to do with anything here. Rashford is pure talent. Simples!

I still dey wait to see the minutes Musonda has gotten this season.

I'll bet my balls that Charly hasn't spent up to 5 minutes in a league fixture this season.

The last time he got the nod to start a game for us, he found the net.

So which one be say, 'He has been giving opportunities yet he no shine'?

Are we looking at a possible brace within 1 minute on the pitch? PES 2018?

diggz:


Him mouthing off is just irritating.... especially when you have a coach like conte who can decide he doesn't want you anymore, and nothing will happen as in the case of crasy Diego Costa. Burr, when you have people like Courtois and hazard as possible advisers what do you expect to see?

Anything can happen to those shutting him out of the first 11. He should keep working hard, let his legs do the talking and not his mouth.

I am looking forward to what batman will do in morata's absence.

sinizia:


To be honest, though, Musonda has not done well when he's put on loan to Betis. He didn't do enough to warrant Conte giving him much chances like he's done for Chritensen.

Musonda isn't yet better than Willian, neither has he done anything to push his case across. He needs more chances and when he gets them, he needs to make it count. Conte doesn't give chance to anyhow youths, only proven youths or youths with supreme talents like Pogba and Co. Musonda should stop whyning publicly and wait for his chances.

Griffon!

sinizia:


To be honest, though, Musonda has not done well when he's put on loan to Betis. He didn't do enough to warrant Conte giving him much chances like he's done for Chritensen.

Musonda isn't yet better than Willian, neither has he done anything to push his case across. He needs more chances and when he gets them, he needs to make it count. Conte doesn't give chance to anyhow youths, only proven youths or youths with supreme talents like Pogba and Co. Musonda should stop whyning publicly and wait for his chances.

naso ..... supreme talent in barbing abi
over talent they worry pogba sef, typical scummy already trying hard
pogba for world best

Griffon:


Funlord just dive into argument wey e no understand the beginning.

Read my submission from the beginning! Then end at sinizas post that I directed you to! Your man seems to have fever or something and I'm not a doctor so I can't do much for him! No vex!

diggz:
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Oga..should I send you my account details so you can credit me lunch money??

Stop that reserve talk rubbish bros! Thought I have made it clear I don't want to hear that nonsense talk again ?

while I am willing to agree with you that rashford have proven to be the better player since he broke into the senior team...he didn't have anything to show for.... that he wouldnt turn out to be another Federico macheda or Danny welbeck before he broke into the senior team.

And whatever the fvck you think rashford did to warrant him getting a chance in the senior team, musonda have done same or more, so stop trying to make it look like he was all special Bros.

Egbon diggz this one is not about posting wikipedia achievements. Rashford was given a chance and he took it.

Musonda too ll ve his. We are still like 10 games(all competitions) into the season and he(Musonda) already has had a few minutes in the league. And he played the full 90mins in the cara-whatever cup. But no matter how much u people dislike Willian, the manager can not just overlook Willian and play Musonda in a big game like the City game, especially with Morata's unexpected injury spoiling whatever plans or tactics he must ve had for the game.

Griffon:
I still dey wait to see the minutes Musonda has gotten this season.

I'll bet my balls that Charly hasn't spent up to 5 minutes in a league fixture this season.

The last time he got the nod to start a game for us, he found the net.

So which one be say, 'He has been giving opportunities yet he no shine'?

Are we looking at a possible brace within 1 minute on the pitch? PES 2018?

We've had a tough start to the league this year. There's not a single one our league fixtures so far where I would have even considered him starting.

He has had a chance against a mid table championship side and he scored. Good. Why not wait for your next chance before you start mouthing off? The likes of Batman, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta(Best 2 in the world) still dey hustle for shirt without public rants.

He's the one who prompted the whole comparison. If he's going to run his mouth, then we go gats ask am wetin he do with his talents like he lived in the new testament...

Lana1:
Egbon diggz this one is not about posting wikipedia achievements. Rashford was given a chance and he took it.

Musonda too ll ve his. We are still like 10 games(all competitions) into the season and he(Musonda) already has had a few minutes in the league. And he played the full 90mins in the cara-whatever cup. But no matter how much u people dislike Willian, the manager can not just overlook Willian and play Musonda in a big game like the City game, especially with Morata's unexpected injury spoiling whatever plans or tactics he must ve had for the game.

And what did he even do in those games where he got minutes? That now gives him the right to be in the team ahead of Willian? I don't even understand the niggas pain! Na to dey right rubbish all over the board be the new strategy when your point has fallen flat on its face!

sinizia:


To be honest, though, Musonda has not done well when he's put on loan to Betis. He didn't do enough to warrant Conte giving him much chances like he's done for Chritensen.

Musonda isn't yet better than Willian, neither has he done anything to push his case across. He needs more chances and when he gets them, he needs to make it count. Conte doesn't give chance to anyhow youths, only proven youths or youths with supreme talents like Pogba and Co. Musonda should stop whyning publicly and wait for his chances.

Simples. No be to dey go twitter/instagram dey cry like baby

Nihilist:


We've had a tough start to the league this year. There's not a single one our league fixtures so far where I would have even considered him starting.

He has had a chance against a mid table championship side and he scored. Good. Why not wait for your next chance before you start mouthing off? The likes of Batman, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta(Best 2 in the world) still dey hustle for shirt without public rants.

He's the one who prompted the whole comparison. If he's going to run his mouth, then we go gats ask am wetin he do with his talents like he lived in the new testament...

My name is funlord and I approve this message!

Not sure which of the three games since Forest Musonda thinks he should have started.


I see him joining vitesse come January.

Lana1:
Egbon diggz this one is not about posting wikipedia achievements. Rashford was given a chance and he took it.

Musonda too ll ve his. We are still like 10 games(all competitions) into the season and he(Musonda) already has had a few minutes in the league. And he played the full 90mins in the cara-whatever cup. But no matter how much u people dislike Willian, the manager can not just overlook Willian and play Musonda in a big game like the City game, especially with Morata's unexpected injury spoiling whatever plans or tactics he must ve had for the game.

Please take a look at the screenshots below;

Nihilist:


We've had a tough start to the league this year. There's not a single one our league fixtures so far where I would have even considered him starting.

He has had a chance against a mid table championship side and he scored. Good. Why not wait for your next chance before you start mouthing off? The likes of Batman, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta(Best 2 in the world) still dey hustle for shirt without public rants.

He's the one who prompted the whole comparison. If he's going to run his mouth, then we go gats ask am wetin he do with his talents like he lived in the new testament...

Best post so far. I like musonda though

Nihilist:


We've had a tough start to the league this year. There's not a single one our league fixtures so far where I would have even considered him starting.

He has had a chance against a mid table championship side and he scored. Good. Why not wait for your next chance before you start mouthing off? The likes of Batman, Drinkwater, Bakayoko and Zappacosta(Best 2 in the world) still dey hustle for shirt without public rants.

He's the one who prompted the whole comparison. If he's going to run his mouth, then we go gats ask am wetin he do with his talents like he lived in the new testament...

I am not in support of him mouthing off on social media, that is wrong, this is Chelsea not Spurs or Everton who'd easily trade their chances of lifting a silverware with youth integration.

That said, I think we have seen enough potentials and flashes of greatness from this boy which suggests he is a good player.

What's wrong in giving him a chance ahead of a misfiring Willian?

I wont be on this debate if Willie is still Willie but man seems to have lost it.

funlord:




And what did he even do in those games where he got minutes? That now gives him the right to be in the team ahead of Willian? I don't even understand the niggas pain! Na to dey right rubbish all over the board be the new strategy when your point has fallen flat on its face!

He scored a goal and he cried

diggz:


Please take a look at the screenshots below;

From the screenies, i can see u want anybody and everybody to start ahead Willian. Simply put, Willian seems to be ur fall guy anything he plays, and results dont go Chelsea's way.

Schedule shouldn't determine if a young prospect should get the nod or not, it's the manager's conviction on the player's abilities.

If it's about fixtures, Rashford should not have been handed that rare start against Arsenal.

Many young prospects have all launched their careers with the big games.

This isn't about the fixtures abeg, this is about Conte believing Musonda. He is the manager and is in the better position to say if the Congolese is ready to dispatch Willie.

So make we just drop the talk abegi.

Wetin be Kante injury status?

Griffon:
Schedule doesn't determine if a young prospect should get the nod or not, it's the manager's conviction on the player's abilities.

If it's about fixtures, Rashford should not have been handed that rare start against Arsenal.

Many young prospects have all launched their careers with the big games.

This isn't about the fixtures abeg, this is about Conte believing Musonda. He is the manager and is in the better position to say if the Congolese is ready to dispatch Willie.

So make we just drop the talk abegi.

Wetin be Kante injury status?

Kante will be out for three weeks

Nihilist:


If you're good, you're good.

If Rashford was merely lucky to get a break, how come he's still in the first 11 now especially when he's competing with Martial, Lukaku, Mhkitaryan and Mata for a place in the front 4.

He wasn't Lucky to get his chance. He wasn't Lucky to score in every single debut from FA Cup, to EPL, to Europa to UCL, to England. He wasn't Lucky to keep his place despite competing with almost 300m of talent for a place in the starting line-up.

Nah luck had nothing to do with it. He may have been unknown to you, but he wasn't unknown to the coaches that suggested him to LVG. They don't just pick any fool from the academy and give him jersey and a seat on the team bus. That's not thr way it works.

It reminds of something Gary Lineker said. He said that many times he would score and the commentator would say "right place at the right time". Gary said nah nigga, I made that run a 100 times already in that game, I wasn't at the right place at the right time - it wasn't luck. I kept running to the right position because I knew sooner or later the chance would come...and I would take my chance.

You just didn't know his name, but trust me Rashford was ready for this. He's always been ready. And he for a talent like that, there is no way your time won't come...

Mate, there's no human with a working brain, even one with the strongest type of prejudice will say the emboldened. I never implied implicitly or explicitly the emboldened words.

What Rashford has achieved so far is not on luck, but his first chance, his first big break was on luck. I don't see why this an argument.

Rashford WASN'T EVEN OUR 4TH CHOICE STRIKER that season.

When coaches usually give chances to fringe or youth players, it always come in Carling Cup and pre-seasons, Rashford was not in the squad in both occasions. If he managed to make one or two of those squads, he didn't get a sniff at a playing time.

Rashford got his FIRST chance as a reserve player in Yorupa league. I don't think you understand the condition here. This wasn't a dead rubber match where we needed fringe players or reserves. This was a KNOCK-OUT match where our progression was at risk and an unknown RESERVE player was chosen ahead of 4 striker AHEAD OF HIM? C'mon Nihilist!!

You mean Rashford was so talented and good he BENCHED 4 FIT strikers to start such a game?

Without INJURIES and loan to our strikers, Rashford would never have started that match. I mean, he wasn't even brought in as would normally be done when giving a reserve a chance, he started the match.

If you think Rashford wasn't lucky that injuries affected our strike force, then let's forget it. We would never agree with each other.

Elnino4ladies:


Kante will be out for three weeks

Two weeks don already pass I guess.

sod09:
naso ..... supreme talent in barbing abi
over talent they worry pogba sef, typical scummy already trying hard
pogba for world best

Yes, Pogba is shitty and Weelchair is highly talented, the next Xavi. So good he is, he's kicked out on loan. Typical pathetic Gayner with intelligence quotient of a public louse.

sinizia:


Mate, there's no human with a working brain, even one with the strongest type of prejudice will say the emboldened. I never implied implicitly or explicitly the emboldened words.

What Rashford has achieved so far is not on luck, but his first chance, his first big break was on luck. I don't see why this an argument.

Rashford WASN'T EVEN OUR 4TH CHOICE STRIKER that season.

When coaches usually give chances to fringe or youth players, it always come in Carling Cup and pre-seasons, Rashford was not in the squad in both occasions. If he managed to make one or two of those squads, he didn't get a sniff at a playing time.

Rashford got his FIRST chance as a reserve player in Yorupa league. I don't think you understand the condition here. This wasn't a dead rubber match where we needed fringe players or reserves. This was a KNOCK-OUT match where our progression was at risk and an unknown RESERVE player was chosen ahead of 4 striker AHEAD OF HIM? C'mon Nihilist!!

You mean Rashford was so talented and good he BENCHED 4 FIT strikers to start such a game?

Without INJURIES and loan to our strikers, Rashford would never have started that match. I mean, he wasn't even brought in as would normally be done when giving a reserve a chance, he started the match.

If you think Rashford wasn't lucky that injuries affected our strike force, then let's forget it. We would never agree with each other.

It can't be luck mate.

The manager saw reasons to give him that starting berth.

He wasn't under the influence of an enchantment, his decision was borne out of what he saw in the training ground.

Lana1:
Simples. No be to dey go twitter/instagram dey cry like baby

Musonda na mumu. Even KDB didn't behave like this. Rather they went out on loan and proved themselves. After what Conte did to Costa, the mumu still dey rant. He will learn the hard way that you can't arm-twist Conte.

Griffon:


It can't be luck mate.

The manager saw reasons to give him that starting berth.

He wasn't under the influence of an enchantment, his decision was borne out of what he saw in the training ground.

Kpokwem.

Griffon:


It can't be luck mate.

The manager saw reasons to give him that starting berth.

So where were those "reasons" all through the Carling Cup, FA Cup and league games he couldn't MAKE OUR MATCH SQUAD before injuries wiped out our strike force?

Nihilist:


A lot of that has to do with what happens on the training pitch, and nobody here is really privy to that sort of information.

The only thing all of us can see for certain is what these boys do when the camera is rolling. Musonda may very well be dribbling 2-2 man on training pitch and scoring long shots from the car park.

But what has he done on the big boys pitch? Scored the only goal of his career against Nottingham forest...hardly a big deal.

He needs to do a lot more than that before he can claim he deserves Willians spot...

How will he do anything on the big boys pitch when he doesnt even get on the big boys pitch?

This season he has gotten

8mins in community shield
90mins in EFL cup and scored 1 goal

How is this different from the argument of guys claiming Lukaku didnt do anything with the 2mins injury time substitution he was getting under Mourinho