lymelyte:
What is the meaning of life if everything has to end one day with our death? Your opinions are needed..

heendrix:


funny you do you wana leave forever?

lymelyte:
not really..living forever makes no sense

lymelyte:
What is the meaning of life if everything has to end one day with our death? Your opinions are needed..

Gentlevin:
This is a good question. Death was not part of the plan when the true God created humans but just like a guy said above, our first parents spoilt it for us. Nonetheless, there is hope for a better life. The one that God actually wanted. Life that will be filled with only good people. No wicked ones will be allowed to ruin the earth again. Pls read psalms 37:10, 11 and 34.

Kobojunkie:
Define Death?

Dtruthspeaker:

Termination and expiration from Earth ONLY and Transfer to spirit Holding Cell either "Sleeper Cell" (death) or Suffering Cell (hell) pending Final Judgement of Works, for Onward Transmission towards either Lake of Fire or New Heaven and Earth!

lymelyte:
What is the meaning of life if everything has to end one day with our death? Your opinions are needed..

Kobojunkie:
According to Genesis 3 vs 17-19 , Death, as instituted by God, means complete termination of mind, body and soul from existence itself .

lymelyte:
What is the meaning of life if everything has to end one day with our death? Your opinions are needed..

Dtruthspeaker:

^{Termination and expiration from Earth ONLY and Transfer to spirit Holding Cell either "Sleeper Cell" (death) or Suffering Cell (hell) pending Final Judgement of Works, for Onward Transmission towards either Lake of Fire or New Heaven and Earth!}

You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this,” Says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 4:3)

Splinz:
Hi Dtruth, good to see you here.



Take a look at this truth that perfectly captures what death is in its entirety:

We all know what happens when we set our rubbish on fire. The fire will keep on burning until the combustible has burned out. And the end product of such combustion is always ashes. In the same vein, the wicked will end up in such manner; burn out completely, with the righteous trampling upon them, says the LORD of hosts.

You may want to go back to the scriptures concerning the subject. This time, please put aside all preconceived ideas and teachings of men. You'll find out that death is what it is: death; the cessation of life. Of course, Malachi 4:3 could as well be the foundation for your studies.

Cheers.

Splinz:

You may want to go back to the scriptures concerning the subject. This time, please put aside all preconceived ideas and teachings of men. You'll find out that death is what it is: death; the cessation of life. Of course, Malachi 4:3 could as well be the foundation for your studies.

Cheers.

Splinz:
Hi Dtruth, good to see you here.

Take a look at this truth that perfectly captures what death is in its entirety:

"You shall trample the wicked, For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this,” Says the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 4:3)

We all know what happens when we set our rubbish on fire. The fire will keep on burning until the combustible has burned out. And the end product of such combustion is always ashes. In the same vein, the wicked will end up in like manner; burn out completely, with the righteous trampling upon them, says the LORD of hosts.

Dtruthspeaker:

Hi Splin.z, hope all is going well?

Dtruthspeaker:

So I think that Malachi is a Conquest and Overrunning of the wicked.

For they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet On the day that I do this

Splinz:


Yes, all is well. Thank you.

No friend, you and I don't have a say when God has already settled on a matter. God is so clear concerning the end of the wicked that one does not need to bring in what he "thinks". The wicked will be burn to ashes, says the LORD of hosts. As explained already, for something to turn to ashes, it means that thing must be burned up completely. This is common knowledge. Except you want us to believe that God does not know what ashes means.

I intentionally refused to prove (1 Thessalonians 5:21) further concerning the said subject, so that you could do your own private studies. You quoted Revelation 20:15 for instance, but has it occurred to you that it agrees with what God said in Malachi? For when the wicked are thrown into the lake of fire, what becomes of them? Again, God answers:

Remember, all scriptures on a particular subject must agree, i.e, the bible must interpret the bible and not what we think or heard from others. That was why I said preconceived ideas must be put aside in order to take God's word at face value.

I'm still urging you to conduct a fresh research on the subject matter. But if you wouldn't, that's fine.

Dtruthspeaker:

The Central theme here is the Wicked and the-evil shall be put in Fire.

And neither do I contest the inability of the Lake of Fire to turn those souls to ashes.

Splinz:


Good. And that is what death is; ultimate end of the wicked. They shall be burned up completely, to ashes. In other words, the doctrine of eternal torture or roasting in hell fire is what it is: unscriptural; paganism.

Thank you my friend. See you next time.

Dtruthspeaker:

You will be presumptive here on the duration in the Fire for words like "Ever Lasting Contempt" (Daniel 12:2) "Ever lasting Punishment" (Mathew 25:46) give the reasonable conclusion that it would be a very long and lengthy stay in the Fire!

Splinz:

Not at all my friend. I don't speak from the angle of presumption but facts. Like we discussed earlier, the combustible only burns for as long as there's fuel, isn't it? Just how long do you think the human carcass can survive in a lake of great fire before it turns to ashes?

Splinz:

Now, even if we were to go with your "reasonable conclusion", how do you reconciled eternal torture with ashes? If the wicked are tortured forever, when will they turn to ashes?

Splinz:

And yes, it is everlasting punishment not everlasting punishing. I'm sure you know the difference.

Splinz:

And what is the punishment? Death; dying for all eternity.

Gentlevin:
This is a good question. Death was not part of the plan when the true God created humans but just like a guy said above, our first parents spoilt it for us. Nonetheless, there is hope for a better life. The one that God actually wanted. Life that will be filled with only good people. No wicked ones will be allowed to ruin the earth again. Pls read psalms 37:10, 11 and 34.

MaxInDHouse:
Good morning!
My name is Maximus one of your brothers!

Gentlevin:
Good to know that bro. Well, i wont ask how u knew because its only those that speak the pure language that will be able to identify the language when its spoken.

Dtruthspeaker:

^{Now you have forgotten that it is not the human carcass that is going to the lake of Fire but the soul.
And you can not Truly know how long it would take for a soul to burn in that Fire!}

Dtruthspeaker:

Whether the soul is harder than iron and diamond which require extended heat to burn or paperlike, ye know not.

Dtruthspeaker:

Also you do not know whether the Fire is regulated on high burner or low burner and such other variables which determine the length and time of burning.
All these determinants are not in thy hand to fore-determine.

Dtruthspeaker:

As I pointed out up, A Cook and iron crafter has power to determine how long a thing he puts in the fire, would last in the fire.

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed lest he fall (1 Corinthians 10:12)

MaxInDHouse:
Zephaniah 3:9

How is the convention my brother?
I'm feeling like seeing my people face to face again o!

Splinz:

Soul? No, I've not forgotten anything that needs remembrance. Perhaps at this point, you may want to go back to Genesis when man was created and how he became a living soul (Genesis 2:7). In other words, man don't have a soul but rather, we are souls. That is why it is written.

Splinz:

... will that make He who created the same soul to some sort of struggle or required an eternity, 1000 years, 100 years, 50 years etc, to destroy what He created from the dust of the earth?

Splinz:

Besides, your views are contradictory (it is expected). How do you subscribed to eternal torture and still believes that the wicked will turn to ashes? If they are tortured forever, when will they become ashes?

You have to fix this contradiction, and you can only do so with God's word.

Splinz:

Soul? No, I've not forgotten anything that needs remembrance. Perhaps at this point, you may want to go back to Genesis when man was created and how he became a living soul (Genesis 2:7). In other words, man don't have a soul but rather, we are souls. That is why it is written, "The soul who sins shall die" (Ezekiel 18:20, KJV). Many other translation renders it this way, "The person who sins will die". Both is correct, that man is a soul; the very person of one's self.
So, you don't have a soul but you are soul. However, man has what is called "the spirit" in/of man (Job 32:8, 1 Corinthians 2:11). And the scriptures shows that whether soul or body; both can be destroyed, i.e, killed (Matthew 10:28)
I'm very much aware of the false teaching that souls don't die, that it lives on even after death. In other words, soul is immortal. But of course when the light of the scriptures is shone on this teaching, it exposes it for what it is; falsehood.
But we know what soul is.
Besides, even if soul were to be as hard as zuma rock (or anything you can think of), will that make He who created the same soul to some sort of struggle or required an eternity, 1000 years, 100 years, 50 years etc, to destroy what He created from the dust of the earth?
My friend, all these are human craftiness. It has been established already, by reason of the brains that God gave us for use, that the only determinant that determines how long an item burns lies solely on the combustible power of the item. In this case, we are talking of the human carcass.
Have you seen where someone is set ablaze before? Even if you've not, using common knowledge, how long do you think the human body can survive even on a stove fire, not to talk of a fire describes as "lake of fire"?
And a cook and iron crafter only leaves those things on fire for as long as necessary. In a cook's case, till the food is done. And the iron crafter, till his precious metal is ready. In the end, those things are not left indefinitely on fire and not without a defined end. What about the wicked? The end result is ashes. And the time needed? Common sense tells me that any serious fire can burn the human body to ashes within few hours or even an hour.
Besides, your views are contradictory (it is expected). How do you subscribed to eternal torture and still believes that the wicked will turn to ashes? If they are tortured forever, when will they become ashes?
You have to fix this contradiction, and you can only do so with God's word. For God is not the author of confusion.

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Dtruth, like I told you earlier, the bible must always interpret itself, not our skillful use of words. Perhaps you're not aware that the wicked, actually people on this earth in time past, had already undergone the "fire of eternal punishment", and that those people are neither in that fire roasted nor is the fire burning today. Do you know? Of course, I wouldn't bother proving it for obvious reasons.
It was for your own good that I advised as a friend, to do a fresh studies. After all it is instructed, "study to show yourself approved" (2 Timothy 2:15). But I guess there's no need since you think you know. But here is wisdom:
Have a good day. See you some other time.

DappaD:

“Man don't have a soul but rather, we are souls.”
From the first part of your write-up, you spoke like a Jehovah’s Witness—yet you’re not and still lacking in many areas. How strange.

Splinz:
Hello DappaD, good to see you friend.
What are you finding strange exactly? But of course, it's no surprise. It's amusing rather. Perhaps you were lied to, that the truth is only found on the four corners of JW's kingdom halls. If that is your case, sorry you've been sold a dummy.
Of course, the church of the living God is the pillar and ground of the truth (1 Timothy 3:15). And yes, I know that I do lack in many areas according to JWs standard. But, do I care at all? Like I said, I know where the truth is domiciled.
DappaD, enjoy your convention.

DappaD:

Oh really? Prove me wrong that you didn’t lift that knowledge from JWs and mention this “church of the living God” except maybe SDA of course.